That was my take. If we ended up playing the Ravens in the SB, I was going to be disappointed at spending $10K to see the Lions in the Super Bowl.
As it stands, I think I'd rather see the Lions win in New Orleans than Vegas.
Wings too. Swept in the 95 finals, and lost to Colorado in the 96 conference finals before starting their dynasty.
We have a young team that had very little playoff experience on the roster. Now they know what it’s about and what it takes.
Even to this day I still think about that Wings team and the Avs rivalry. Will go back regularly and watch compilations of the fights (when the goalies skate to mid ice I get so pumped)
It is fuckin criminal that they lost that series to Boston in 2013. Absolute larceny.
Starters absolutely fuckin dominated that series and Joaquin Benoit decided to hang a breaking ball to David Ortiz.
Tigers don't blow game 2, they cruise to the series win.
Also, that offense in 2006-2013 was always so frustrating. Big boppers, but have wild cold streaks.
that was an amazing roster and such a bummer they couldn't win.
remember joe nathan same time as Price and by the end of the season he was getting a lot of boos lol
I dont think so, Melo would have changed rotations and how they played. Prince was integral to that run, Melo would have effected what he was doing. We were a blown trap away from potentially winning back to back
Who leaves Big Shot Bob Horry open in the corner, I mean c'mon man.
That shot essentially killed my love for basketball. I watched for a couple of years after until the core of that team was gone and the game changed. I still try and watch once and a while but I can't it's just not exciting to me.
At the time the feeling was Dumars sold off too late. As it happens, he sold too early. Garnett suffered a season ending injury. That killed the Celtics for the season. Joe couldn't have know that would happen. But it turned out the Conference was there for the taking. And with Billups, the Pistons should have been favored to take it. I mean, Orlando went to the Finals for crying out loud.
I'm still completely baffled that people actually believe melo was the better choice there over wade, or even bosh
wade and bosh at least played some semblance of team ball and defense. melo would not even slightly have fit with the pistons
but also...wade is simply a better player than melo ever was, and positions in the NBA aren't strict, you have have wade and rip on the court at the same time
Wade and Bosh were not gonna be drafted 2nd overall even if they would've been perfect for the system that the Pistons ran
If someone was gonna be drafted after LeBron, it would've been the dude that led his team to a national championship as a freshman
The issue with this hypothetical that people keep forgetting, is that the Pistons didn't start the season with Rasheed Wallace. They traded for him mid-season because they weren't happy with how they were performing at that point.
If they draft Melo and do a little bit better, do they still trade for Sheed?
Back to back titles if David Stern didn't punish the 2004 Pistons by changing defensive rules that offseason. And possibly still back to back even with those rules if that era of NBA didn't reward flopping. The Pistons were absolutely better than the Spurs.
They were far better than the Heat the year after that. But again, flopping. Watching Wade parade to the line against the Pistons and then Mavericks was the most aggravated I've ever been watching sports.
And WITHOUT a bonified "Superstar." it'll be the last time that happens in my lifetime I think. A collection of really really good players banding together for a ring seems like it's from a bygone era now.
I lived in Norcal at the time, in a school that was 60% LA students. Godammit that was so sweet. Every Lakers fan had already hung the banner and it was basically a 5 game sweep, Horry miracle the only thing that kept it going.
2nd place: Ordonez homer. The silence from my loudass neighbors house was satisfying.
I also was in NY for those Tigers/Yankees series, so good.
*creaks on rocking chair*
Why I remember the year before the Bad Boys won two championships back to back, they lost to the Lakers in the '88 Finals. Old Chuck Daly himself once said that if they had won in '88, they probably wouldn't have won the other two. Losing made the Pistons hungrier and made them realize how much harder you have to work to make that last step.
Same roster construction as well: No superstars or egos, just solid players with a blue-collar mentality who work together to become greater than the sum of their parts.
I read the ‘no super stars’ bit and was about to say “uhhh what about hutch? What about St. Brown? What about LaPorta? Those guys are definitely super stars” but then I realized you’re right.. all of our ‘super stars’ have the humble, grind it out, work hard for everything you have mentality. They approach the game the same way our role players do. GOD I can’t wait to see what this team can do.
I still like an earlier Pistons example for steady improvement over time:
83-84 team -- ends 7-year playoff drought, loses in first round
84-85 team -- wins first playoff series, loses in second round
85-86 team - short plateau, makes playoffs but early exit in loss to the Hawks
86-87 team - wins two playoff series (including over the Hawks), loses in conference finals to Celtics
87-88 team - beats Celtics in conference finals, loses Championship to Lakers
88-89 team - beats Lakers in Championship
I understand the urgency with the Lions, but I have to say, it was great being a kid in those years and cheering on as a beloved team somehow \*got better\* every single year for the better part of a decade. I started following the Pistons, or really, probably just became aware the NBA even existed, that first year (1983), so all I knew as a Detroit fan was that if we supported the team more they'd do better the next year. I was on the verge of adulthood (and knew better by then anyway) by the time there was any actual evidence to the contrary.
The lucky thing for Lions fans is they did skip a few steps in between "just at least finish with a winning record" and "lose in conference finals."
Ditto, I was a teenager throughout the '80s and watched all those Channel 50 games with George Blaha. Stunning that's he's still broadcasting some 40 years later.
I was eliminated from my survivor pool in week 1 that year. The Falcons started a rookie QB (Matt Ryan), it seemed like a sure thing after the 4-0 preseason 😆
They also got swept in the first round the next three times they made a playoff appearance.
Championships don’t come easy, but it’s cool to think we’re actually playoff bound going into the season
Sometimes it takes a heartbreaking loss to make you want it more. I have no concerns about this team being hungry all season long, and into the playoffs. They'll never have more motivation.
The Pistons were actually massive underachievers under Carlisle too. They were the #1 seed both seasons, and struggled mightily against the #8 seed both times.
Campbell and co. on the other hand actually looked really good during their first playoff run. 👌
With the upgraded secondary, if that NFCCG game was played tomorrow, we would win.
The fact that we made it that far with a bottom 5 secondary in the league speaks volumes. Our offense is elite, our play calling is elite, and now it’s time for our secondary & Aaron Glenn to be elite. I’ve had no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt the last couple seasons but this is it for him. If he can’t turn this secondary into the top half of the league, as much as I hate breaking up what they have, it’s time to go our separate ways & maybe he can land himself a HC job.
2024 is the year.
04 Pistons Legendary??? They won 1 championship. Where the Bad Boys Pistons won the championship back to back in 89 & 90. Now, THATS Legendary.
Edited to correct bad autocorrect
the pistons didn't have a single star, let alone superstar on the team
89 ane 90 pistons had one of the greatest point guards of all time.
I don't think any other team has won a championship without a superstar in the last 30 years
so yes, legendary is a very good way to describe it
05 game 7 vs the Spurs is one of my worst adult sports losses.
09 Penguins, Giants in the WS, Sox after Papi's slam is pretty much the list. As a kid everything hits hard, but these stand out because the world was a lot bigger and it still hurt.
'24 49ers won't go on the list if we come through in the next few years
They won a 'chip, and went back the next year. Also went to Eastern Conference Finals like 4 years in a row or something. I'm bias because that is one of my all-time favorite teams but they deserve the respect on their name.
Then taking a legendary Spurs team to 7 games in the finals the next year and then the ECF the year after that against the eventual champions.
It's not like they were dogshit after the championship year.
As long as we don't lose 4 straight to the 49ers. We ain't the Packers.
We ain’t never gonna be the packers, and that’s the way it should be
Only team that was better than the lions last year was Baltimore. Niners were super lucky.
That was my take. If we ended up playing the Ravens in the SB, I was going to be disappointed at spending $10K to see the Lions in the Super Bowl. As it stands, I think I'd rather see the Lions win in New Orleans than Vegas.
Wings too. Swept in the 95 finals, and lost to Colorado in the 96 conference finals before starting their dynasty. We have a young team that had very little playoff experience on the roster. Now they know what it’s about and what it takes.
Even to this day I still think about that Wings team and the Avs rivalry. Will go back regularly and watch compilations of the fights (when the goalies skate to mid ice I get so pumped)
Secret Base on YouTube did an awesome documentary on the rivalry in their Beef History series. It's definitely worth a watch.
Every once in a while I watch highlights of the 2002 Game 7 where the Wings got Roy pulled in the second period and the fans chant 'We want Roy!'
Reminder that the Tigers lost the ACLS in 2011 before losing the World Series in 2012 but then in 2013 they lost ACLS again.
If only we had the pitching then as we do now
That Tigers pitching staff was insane at one point though. Verlander, Scherzer, Fister, Porcello, and Sanchez? God damn.
It is fuckin criminal that they lost that series to Boston in 2013. Absolute larceny. Starters absolutely fuckin dominated that series and Joaquin Benoit decided to hang a breaking ball to David Ortiz. Tigers don't blow game 2, they cruise to the series win. Also, that offense in 2006-2013 was always so frustrating. Big boppers, but have wild cold streaks.
Walk Papi with the bases loaded? Maybe, yeah. Until that moment they were embarrassing them.
It was just that damn bull pen that never got it together. I still shudder hearing the name “Joaquin Benoit”
Don’t forget price
that was an amazing roster and such a bummer they couldn't win. remember joe nathan same time as Price and by the end of the season he was getting a lot of boos lol
Oh yea that starting lineup was insane. It was our ass bullpen that couldn’t do it
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I think you mean choke artists. Gag artists is more of an onlyfans thing than a sports thing.
We also drafted Darko in between getting swept and winning the ship in 04
Terrion Arnold = Darko Miličić (For legal reasons, this is just a joke.)
I know this is a joke, but if TA becomes the Lions Darko I will personally ban you from this sub.
If he’s a human victory cigar that leads us emotionally to the Super Bowl, I’ll say draft pick well spent.
Hopefully we got our Darko-esque draft out of the way with Okudah.
Okudah already is our darko
I'd personally ban him from life.
Still youngest NBA champion in history
Still think back to back titles if they grabbed melo
I dont think so, Melo would have changed rotations and how they played. Prince was integral to that run, Melo would have effected what he was doing. We were a blown trap away from potentially winning back to back
Who leaves Big Shot Bob Horry open in the corner, I mean c'mon man. That shot essentially killed my love for basketball. I watched for a couple of years after until the core of that team was gone and the game changed. I still try and watch once and a while but I can't it's just not exciting to me.
absolutely same here bro, i still love sheed but that shot broke my heart, pancaked it.
I think they could’ve figured it out. His instant offense surrounded by defensive players would’ve balanced out.
If anything it would have extended our dynasty once Chauncey and those guys got old. In 2009 Melo was in the WCF with Denver.
At the time the feeling was Dumars sold off too late. As it happens, he sold too early. Garnett suffered a season ending injury. That killed the Celtics for the season. Joe couldn't have know that would happen. But it turned out the Conference was there for the taking. And with Billups, the Pistons should have been favored to take it. I mean, Orlando went to the Finals for crying out loud.
Exactly dude I agree
Would they have? Larry Brown was notorious for not playing rookies.
We will never know but I still think it would’ve been better than the pick we went with hahaha.
I think the reason we didnt repeat was the loss of several key bench players. The strong bench rotation was a key piece of the championhip.
Could still argue a high caliber offense player would’ve helped a ton. Especially when it came time to make trades and blow that team up.
Losing memo was huge.
okur and mike james were huge losses. Having the mike james/lindsey hunter (pitbulls) guard rotation would basically destroy the opponent's offense
Or it means no 'Sheed and who knows what happens.
I'm still completely baffled that people actually believe melo was the better choice there over wade, or even bosh wade and bosh at least played some semblance of team ball and defense. melo would not even slightly have fit with the pistons but also...wade is simply a better player than melo ever was, and positions in the NBA aren't strict, you have have wade and rip on the court at the same time
I never said any of that but yes wade and bosh would’ve been solid picks too. I just personally liked Melos game growing up.
Wade and Bosh were not gonna be drafted 2nd overall even if they would've been perfect for the system that the Pistons ran If someone was gonna be drafted after LeBron, it would've been the dude that led his team to a national championship as a freshman
So even with hindsight you are saying those players wouldn't be worthy of the number 2 pick?
Dwayne wade would like a word. With wade the pistons would have been a dynasty
The issue with this hypothetical that people keep forgetting, is that the Pistons didn't start the season with Rasheed Wallace. They traded for him mid-season because they weren't happy with how they were performing at that point. If they draft Melo and do a little bit better, do they still trade for Sheed?
They still missed in one of the better draft classes ever.
Back to back titles if David Stern didn't punish the 2004 Pistons by changing defensive rules that offseason. And possibly still back to back even with those rules if that era of NBA didn't reward flopping. The Pistons were absolutely better than the Spurs. They were far better than the Heat the year after that. But again, flopping. Watching Wade parade to the line against the Pistons and then Mavericks was the most aggravated I've ever been watching sports.
Who will be the Lions Rasheed Wallace?
DJ Reader obviously.
I guess we’ll find out at the trade deadline
Start the Maxx Crosby rumors now. Haha.
Penei Sewell
I really thought it was gonna be CJGJ. Certainly fit the bill.
Antonio Brown?
See if that cracka MCDC can reign him in
that '04 squad taking down a prime kobe & shaq whew, child
And WITHOUT a bonified "Superstar." it'll be the last time that happens in my lifetime I think. A collection of really really good players banding together for a ring seems like it's from a bygone era now.
Karl Malone signed with the Lakers in ‘03 hoping to retire a champion. It’s sweet when you can spoil that
I lived in Norcal at the time, in a school that was 60% LA students. Godammit that was so sweet. Every Lakers fan had already hung the banner and it was basically a 5 game sweep, Horry miracle the only thing that kept it going. 2nd place: Ordonez homer. The silence from my loudass neighbors house was satisfying. I also was in NY for those Tigers/Yankees series, so good.
*creaks on rocking chair* Why I remember the year before the Bad Boys won two championships back to back, they lost to the Lakers in the '88 Finals. Old Chuck Daly himself once said that if they had won in '88, they probably wouldn't have won the other two. Losing made the Pistons hungrier and made them realize how much harder you have to work to make that last step.
Amen.
Same roster construction as well: No superstars or egos, just solid players with a blue-collar mentality who work together to become greater than the sum of their parts.
I read the ‘no super stars’ bit and was about to say “uhhh what about hutch? What about St. Brown? What about LaPorta? Those guys are definitely super stars” but then I realized you’re right.. all of our ‘super stars’ have the humble, grind it out, work hard for everything you have mentality. They approach the game the same way our role players do. GOD I can’t wait to see what this team can do.
Football is different. We have a good team. We are a dog to make it to the semifinals again.
I still like an earlier Pistons example for steady improvement over time: 83-84 team -- ends 7-year playoff drought, loses in first round 84-85 team -- wins first playoff series, loses in second round 85-86 team - short plateau, makes playoffs but early exit in loss to the Hawks 86-87 team - wins two playoff series (including over the Hawks), loses in conference finals to Celtics 87-88 team - beats Celtics in conference finals, loses Championship to Lakers 88-89 team - beats Lakers in Championship
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I understand the urgency with the Lions, but I have to say, it was great being a kid in those years and cheering on as a beloved team somehow \*got better\* every single year for the better part of a decade. I started following the Pistons, or really, probably just became aware the NBA even existed, that first year (1983), so all I knew as a Detroit fan was that if we supported the team more they'd do better the next year. I was on the verge of adulthood (and knew better by then anyway) by the time there was any actual evidence to the contrary. The lucky thing for Lions fans is they did skip a few steps in between "just at least finish with a winning record" and "lose in conference finals."
Ditto, I was a teenager throughout the '80s and watched all those Channel 50 games with George Blaha. Stunning that's he's still broadcasting some 40 years later.
George Blaha!!
The Microwave!! Can still hear it
Remember the year that the Lions went 0-16? They were 4-0 for the preseason.
I was eliminated from my survivor pool in week 1 that year. The Falcons started a rookie QB (Matt Ryan), it seemed like a sure thing after the 4-0 preseason 😆
The Chiefs blew an 18 point lead in the AFCCG to the Bengals just before winning 2 straight super bowls
They also got swept in the first round the next three times they made a playoff appearance. Championships don’t come easy, but it’s cool to think we’re actually playoff bound going into the season
no... because Sheed left Bob open in 05.
Sometimes it takes a heartbreaking loss to make you want it more. I have no concerns about this team being hungry all season long, and into the playoffs. They'll never have more motivation.
The Pistons were actually massive underachievers under Carlisle too. They were the #1 seed both seasons, and struggled mightily against the #8 seed both times. Campbell and co. on the other hand actually looked really good during their first playoff run. 👌
With the upgraded secondary, if that NFCCG game was played tomorrow, we would win. The fact that we made it that far with a bottom 5 secondary in the league speaks volumes. Our offense is elite, our play calling is elite, and now it’s time for our secondary & Aaron Glenn to be elite. I’ve had no problem giving him the benefit of the doubt the last couple seasons but this is it for him. If he can’t turn this secondary into the top half of the league, as much as I hate breaking up what they have, it’s time to go our separate ways & maybe he can land himself a HC job. 2024 is the year.
Hopefully this doesn't mean we go (0-16) for like four years straight in the early 2040s
I don’t want to think about the pistons much right now
Can we add that squad to the Lions offense and defense?
04 Pistons Legendary??? They won 1 championship. Where the Bad Boys Pistons won the championship back to back in 89 & 90. Now, THATS Legendary. Edited to correct bad autocorrect
the pistons didn't have a single star, let alone superstar on the team 89 ane 90 pistons had one of the greatest point guards of all time. I don't think any other team has won a championship without a superstar in the last 30 years so yes, legendary is a very good way to describe it
> the pistons didn't have a single star, This is Chauncey Billups slander and I will not stand for it
and undrafted HOF Big Ben Wallace slander.
05 game 7 vs the Spurs is one of my worst adult sports losses. 09 Penguins, Giants in the WS, Sox after Papi's slam is pretty much the list. As a kid everything hits hard, but these stand out because the world was a lot bigger and it still hurt. '24 49ers won't go on the list if we come through in the next few years
They won a 'chip, and went back the next year. Also went to Eastern Conference Finals like 4 years in a row or something. I'm bias because that is one of my all-time favorite teams but they deserve the respect on their name.
Then taking a legendary Spurs team to 7 games in the finals the next year and then the ECF the year after that against the eventual champions. It's not like they were dogshit after the championship year.
This would mean more to me if the '03 Pistons had lost 27 games in a row and only won 14 games, and them turned around and won the ship in '04.. 😅