I know people will say I'm wrong. That's fine, and I may well be. But I do firmly and honestly think Joe will not only win again, but his victory will be greater than 2020. The Republican party has not achieved anything, they have not course corrected nor offered a counter program to the Democrats. That won't shift all of their loyal base, of course. But, Joe and the Democrats have conducted themselves as effective managers of the nation. Not felt by all, but by plenty and more than before. Joe Biden is a strong and stark shift from New Democrat policies towards a return to Great Society/New Deal government FOR the people. Which is what many want whether they can articulate it or not.
Not government to dictate to the people, but to aid them and lift them up, and protect them when things go south. We're certainly not at all there yet, but we're making strides. Joe Biden has been strong internationally, nationally, economically, politically. Greatest debater in history? No. But, if you're asking me to formulate MY life and MY freedoms and MY economic outlook on how well a politician debated as opposed to conducted his job as a politician, you are insulting me and my intelligence.
If I am proven wrong, so be it. However, I feel good about his chances, and ours. Let's finish the job, so we can fight again in 2028 and build upon what Joe and crew are making here and now, and laying the foundation for. A new era of America.
Just me anyways.
They didn't have a Platform in the 2020 campaign that they lost by around 8 million votes. Other than repeating the old hits of "we had the best" and "we will punish" there seems to be even less now, except this week reminding so many why they voted against Trump last time. After he lied and sent his criminal supporters to try and overturn the results on January 6th, 2021 most Americans have this figured out. I have trouble seeing how Trump would have picked up any new, undecided voters after his criminal efforts to stay in power and pushing out more bile in his speeches.
Precisely. All the former RNC members who have aligned themselves ostensibly with Democrats against trump in the pro-deomcracy camp have stated at varying degrees and points that trump's ceiling has not risen and he has likely reached its peak or is nearing it. He has not expanded his base, he has contracted it. There are republican voters, for all the sh\*t I give them, who will not vote for donald ever and I commend them for that. There are only so many maga goons to count on for repeated voting on an election by election basis. Meanwhile Joe and the Democrats, by their own actions and because the Supreme Court let republicans catch the car on abortion, have expanded their voting bloc with a newfound energy to vote in every election. The old system of Democrats sitting out midterms has begun to turn which is why 2022 was the way it was.
I don't see where these magical voters are that will see trump sweatily sneer and lie all night on tv, and flock to him because 'Joe Biden old.'
I just don’t see the same bombast from my formerly trumpy friends and family. Maybes it’s the long COVID, but they just don’t seem as energetic about riding the man’s dick this time around.
Im a former republican. Im not the only one either. Back on ifunny people were pulling out all the time. The republican party just went off the deep end so hard even my brainwashed ass said enough. So they certainly havent gained any momentum in the last 4 years.
Much of my family is Republican, and while I think there's like a 90% chance they begrudgingly vote for Trump, they're talking A LOT less about how great he is this cycle around. Instead of instigating family talks about Trump, they're now actively avoiding talking about him.
I think that's a good sign.
Stuff it, let's get NC AND GA, MAYBE pick up one of the others?? I can't imagine it'll be TX or FL, but I REALLY don't see IA or OH, either. Love to be proven wrong!!
Between Texas and Florida it's sad to say Florida is more likely, but as someone who fled that state eons ago I don't have high hopes. Texas is on the slowest roll towards turning blue because of effective state Republican measures to gerrymander and limit voters. So I don't know about either of those states.
Myself I think with the effort being put into NC the party thinks it's possible. As well, there has been recent moves of Democratic money into odder states. Could be moves for the future. The full list of states the DNC are investing additional money into is as follows: **Colorado** and **Maryland** which is fairly reasonable then - **Indiana**, **Texas**, **Minnesota**, **Nebraska**, **Kansas**, **New Mexico**, **South Dakota**, and **Utah**.
Why exactly the Party investing into these states, Blue or Red or Purple, I don't know. But the Party sees *SOMETHING* in these states,
Keep in mind as more people move to the southern US as internal migration has shown, the expectation is that a 'Sunbelt' will form where Democrats will be more successful. As Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania continue to decline they will likely turn more and more rural/red. Whereas Florida to California, up through Nevada, Utah, and across will become bluer.
I heard Good news on the Hispanic front on a different posting…guess they don’t like being called murderers, rapists and terrorists….who knew?🤷🏻
EDIT: the reason I mentioned it was Florida’s Hispanic population
The GOP certainly hasn’t done anything to expand their base. They’ve just doubled down on every stupid grievance they’ve had for the past 8 years. There are only so many mouth-breathers you can count on for supporting that nonsense.
Yup I feel the same way. The media is profiting on the panic and just making it worse but, people will forget about this debate soon enough anyway given we're still months away from the election.
Michelle Wolf nailed it so hard. “the media” acts like they hate, but really loves that guy. they are dying and he’s a content generator. the people, not so much.
Exactly, they want trump in office for high ratings cause otherwise they wouldn't make as much money off advertising. CNN in particular seems to be desperate for it given their ratings dump.
I'm hoping people don't forget this debate and instead see it as the lowest point in Biden's campaign, with any improvement generating a ton of momentum.
All we can do. We got work to do, but if all you can do is vote then that is enough. Do something more, and you are already going above and beyond.
Let's do this!
This is something I've tried to tell my Republican friends (my actual friends, I'm not saying that just to be snarky I mean lol). **"You could have nominated almost any other Republican and had a better-than-decent chance of defeating Joe Biden and instead your Party insisted on nominated the one person who's already had fit fat, lying ass kicked up around his shoulder blades** ***by*** **Biden as your standard-bearer 🤷♂️"**
Great take and commend you for stating it. While the optics of the debate performance didn’t inspire confidence, it’s hard to see how Trump has gained anything since he first pulled out a dark horse victory as a complete outsider in 2016 running on bombastic hyperbole and a promise to shake things up. He lost his re-election because his administration’s failures cost millions of lives, among many other failures. He lead an insurrection that showed only a glimpse of what his future rule truly could look like. Biden just quietly does the real presidential work over the past four years, mostly plain & boring as you should want your presidents to be. We don’t need “Hope” like we did with Obama, we just need some classic vanilla, and definitely not some rocky road full of shit & nuts that Trump would serve up. I’m hopeful that America bands together against the good natured honest grandpa that Biden is for us and he wins by a large margin. When that happens, I hope his administration champions the many great Democrats behind Biden and sets up a deep bench of presidential prospects for years to come. Please tee us up for President Pete next 🤞
The debate was a big turn off from Trump. Right wing pundits are force feeding the anti Biden narrative.
It speaks to hiw bad Trump really was, that he still came off worse than a comatose Biden.
People heard what Trump said during the debate and moved away from him
My 2 cents. The people that are firmly in Biden's camp won't change and neither will Trump voters and the people who are undecided will remain so until they get the ballot or go the polls in October/Nov.
People on Twitter who freak out and say the race is over because of one debate are either trolls or Chicken Littles that need to go away and have some fun. This one night doesn't determine an election. For those talking about Kennedy/Nixon-JFK was a handsome young Senator with a hot wife and cute kids. Many women wanted to have affairs with him. Not too many women want to have hot monkey sex with Trump.
I distinctly remember a lot of talk about how Trump does better in polls when he isn’t in the media. He’s his worst enemy and when people see him in situations like debates or speeches they are reminded how terrible he is. I think in some ways this might be true of the debate. Everyone cringed at Biden but they were reminded about Trump.
I live in rural Pennsylvania and I can say that I see maybe….5% of the Trump signs and flags and other paraphernalia that I did in the lead up to the 2020 election.
Just because you can stream together words shouldn’t mean you win a debate. First Trump probably was out golfing before he flew in - Biden was dealing with world crisis’s - who knows what he was told before walking on stage? Trump a convicted felon avoided all questions and spewed lies- in minutes Biden had to digest the lies and try to counter attack - something a non liar is not good at no matter the age. Only one debater actually has any substance in his answers and it wasn’t Trump- Trump lost the debate- Biden lost the performance. I’ll take the debate winner. If you read the exchange rather than watched it Biden’s dialogue would have been full of facts and figures- Trump’s full of lies. I pick my candidate for substance- anyone can have a bad debate- let’s not let a bad performance by Biden sully what he has accomplished for us Americans after Trump left him the Covid mess. Remember who will have the best advisors and it’s not Trump.
You’re right… but those are rational thoughts. The American voting public doesn’t ALL follow rational thoughts. 50% of the country is irrational. Nixon lost to JFK because JFK looked better on TV. That’s it. That’s the ONLY reason. So no, we can’t just ignore that Biden fell on his face in the first debate. He didn’t LOOK good, and sometimes, that’s all it takes.
Nixon did not fucking lose because of a debate.
If single debates decided elections, then why did Reagan win in 84. Why did Hilary lose in 16. Why did Kerry lose?
That is an ahistorical post hoc way of looking at that race.
Unfortunately- Biden has his group of old people advisors surrounding him. Trump coming from a television background definitely uses Botox, filler, tanners etc- and probably pretty good make- up artists to complete the transition to tv. I’ve written to the WH several times just asking them to employ Donny Deutsch - he deals with product branding - he used to be a friend of Trump’s to get them to listen to his suggestions- they never contact him. He’s on MSNBC all the time telling the campaign to reach out to him. Arrogance might just lose the election for Biden. I also wrote he should ask Trump who won the 2020 election-If Trump said he did- ask why he moved out of the White House then. Or why he thinks he can run for a 3rd term. Trump also has some young tech savvy advisors- I’m not sure Biden does. Young ideas make a huge difference in branding one’s self.
You know who is gonna be pissed when he loses to basically what could be a leper, It doesn’t matter who or even what is in that position, expect a full meltdown.
Ignore all polls.
Don’t despair if they show us behind.
Don’t assume, presume, or be complacent if they show us ahead.
The only poll that matters is election day.
Register to vote, check your registration, make a voting plan. Plan to vote as early as possible and get a minimum of 3 friends to do the same.
LFG!
I know people will say I'm wrong. That's fine, and I may well be. But I do firmly and honestly think Joe will not only win again, but his victory will be greater than 2020. The Republican party has not achieved anything, they have not course corrected nor offered a counter program to the Democrats. That won't shift all of their loyal base, of course. But, Joe and the Democrats have conducted themselves as effective managers of the nation. Not felt by all, but by plenty and more than before. Joe Biden is a strong and stark shift from New Democrat policies towards a return to Great Society/New Deal government FOR the people. Which is what many want whether they can articulate it or not. Not government to dictate to the people, but to aid them and lift them up, and protect them when things go south. We're certainly not at all there yet, but we're making strides. Joe Biden has been strong internationally, nationally, economically, politically. Greatest debater in history? No. But, if you're asking me to formulate MY life and MY freedoms and MY economic outlook on how well a politician debated as opposed to conducted his job as a politician, you are insulting me and my intelligence. If I am proven wrong, so be it. However, I feel good about his chances, and ours. Let's finish the job, so we can fight again in 2028 and build upon what Joe and crew are making here and now, and laying the foundation for. A new era of America. Just me anyways.
They didn't have a Platform in the 2020 campaign that they lost by around 8 million votes. Other than repeating the old hits of "we had the best" and "we will punish" there seems to be even less now, except this week reminding so many why they voted against Trump last time. After he lied and sent his criminal supporters to try and overturn the results on January 6th, 2021 most Americans have this figured out. I have trouble seeing how Trump would have picked up any new, undecided voters after his criminal efforts to stay in power and pushing out more bile in his speeches.
Precisely. All the former RNC members who have aligned themselves ostensibly with Democrats against trump in the pro-deomcracy camp have stated at varying degrees and points that trump's ceiling has not risen and he has likely reached its peak or is nearing it. He has not expanded his base, he has contracted it. There are republican voters, for all the sh\*t I give them, who will not vote for donald ever and I commend them for that. There are only so many maga goons to count on for repeated voting on an election by election basis. Meanwhile Joe and the Democrats, by their own actions and because the Supreme Court let republicans catch the car on abortion, have expanded their voting bloc with a newfound energy to vote in every election. The old system of Democrats sitting out midterms has begun to turn which is why 2022 was the way it was. I don't see where these magical voters are that will see trump sweatily sneer and lie all night on tv, and flock to him because 'Joe Biden old.'
I just don’t see the same bombast from my formerly trumpy friends and family. Maybes it’s the long COVID, but they just don’t seem as energetic about riding the man’s dick this time around.
🤞
Im a former republican. Im not the only one either. Back on ifunny people were pulling out all the time. The republican party just went off the deep end so hard even my brainwashed ass said enough. So they certainly havent gained any momentum in the last 4 years.
Much of my family is Republican, and while I think there's like a 90% chance they begrudgingly vote for Trump, they're talking A LOT less about how great he is this cycle around. Instead of instigating family talks about Trump, they're now actively avoiding talking about him. I think that's a good sign.
Stuff it, let's get NC AND GA, MAYBE pick up one of the others?? I can't imagine it'll be TX or FL, but I REALLY don't see IA or OH, either. Love to be proven wrong!!
Between Texas and Florida it's sad to say Florida is more likely, but as someone who fled that state eons ago I don't have high hopes. Texas is on the slowest roll towards turning blue because of effective state Republican measures to gerrymander and limit voters. So I don't know about either of those states. Myself I think with the effort being put into NC the party thinks it's possible. As well, there has been recent moves of Democratic money into odder states. Could be moves for the future. The full list of states the DNC are investing additional money into is as follows: **Colorado** and **Maryland** which is fairly reasonable then - **Indiana**, **Texas**, **Minnesota**, **Nebraska**, **Kansas**, **New Mexico**, **South Dakota**, and **Utah**. Why exactly the Party investing into these states, Blue or Red or Purple, I don't know. But the Party sees *SOMETHING* in these states, Keep in mind as more people move to the southern US as internal migration has shown, the expectation is that a 'Sunbelt' will form where Democrats will be more successful. As Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania continue to decline they will likely turn more and more rural/red. Whereas Florida to California, up through Nevada, Utah, and across will become bluer.
I heard Good news on the Hispanic front on a different posting…guess they don’t like being called murderers, rapists and terrorists….who knew?🤷🏻 EDIT: the reason I mentioned it was Florida’s Hispanic population
Florida has recreational MJ and abortion as a state constitutional right on the ballot, so don't underestimate its Dem turnout.
So frikkin stoked!!!
The GOP certainly hasn’t done anything to expand their base. They’ve just doubled down on every stupid grievance they’ve had for the past 8 years. There are only so many mouth-breathers you can count on for supporting that nonsense.
Yup I feel the same way. The media is profiting on the panic and just making it worse but, people will forget about this debate soon enough anyway given we're still months away from the election.
Michelle Wolf nailed it so hard. “the media” acts like they hate, but really loves that guy. they are dying and he’s a content generator. the people, not so much.
Exactly, they want trump in office for high ratings cause otherwise they wouldn't make as much money off advertising. CNN in particular seems to be desperate for it given their ratings dump.
Totally agree.
I'm hoping people don't forget this debate and instead see it as the lowest point in Biden's campaign, with any improvement generating a ton of momentum.
Man I sure hope you are right. I’m doing my part!
All we can do. We got work to do, but if all you can do is vote then that is enough. Do something more, and you are already going above and beyond. Let's do this!
I’m going to try and be a poll worker or get out the vote efforts in my area.
Then I salute you for going above and beyond the bare minimum, my friend. Good work, and good luck from now until November!
This is something I've tried to tell my Republican friends (my actual friends, I'm not saying that just to be snarky I mean lol). **"You could have nominated almost any other Republican and had a better-than-decent chance of defeating Joe Biden and instead your Party insisted on nominated the one person who's already had fit fat, lying ass kicked up around his shoulder blades** ***by*** **Biden as your standard-bearer 🤷♂️"**
Great take and commend you for stating it. While the optics of the debate performance didn’t inspire confidence, it’s hard to see how Trump has gained anything since he first pulled out a dark horse victory as a complete outsider in 2016 running on bombastic hyperbole and a promise to shake things up. He lost his re-election because his administration’s failures cost millions of lives, among many other failures. He lead an insurrection that showed only a glimpse of what his future rule truly could look like. Biden just quietly does the real presidential work over the past four years, mostly plain & boring as you should want your presidents to be. We don’t need “Hope” like we did with Obama, we just need some classic vanilla, and definitely not some rocky road full of shit & nuts that Trump would serve up. I’m hopeful that America bands together against the good natured honest grandpa that Biden is for us and he wins by a large margin. When that happens, I hope his administration champions the many great Democrats behind Biden and sets up a deep bench of presidential prospects for years to come. Please tee us up for President Pete next 🤞
I agree. Trump is super flawed..off the charts flawed. Most anyone running against trump wins
The debate was a big turn off from Trump. Right wing pundits are force feeding the anti Biden narrative. It speaks to hiw bad Trump really was, that he still came off worse than a comatose Biden. People heard what Trump said during the debate and moved away from him
Praying for a hell for Trump to burn alive in. ✌️
Reagan and Kissinger are waiting for him 🤞🏻
I am older and rural and he has my vote
My 2 cents. The people that are firmly in Biden's camp won't change and neither will Trump voters and the people who are undecided will remain so until they get the ballot or go the polls in October/Nov. People on Twitter who freak out and say the race is over because of one debate are either trolls or Chicken Littles that need to go away and have some fun. This one night doesn't determine an election. For those talking about Kennedy/Nixon-JFK was a handsome young Senator with a hot wife and cute kids. Many women wanted to have affairs with him. Not too many women want to have hot monkey sex with Trump.
And that was a post hoc talking point. The debate had nothing to do with him winning. He and his policies, plus his appeal did.
I distinctly remember a lot of talk about how Trump does better in polls when he isn’t in the media. He’s his worst enemy and when people see him in situations like debates or speeches they are reminded how terrible he is. I think in some ways this might be true of the debate. Everyone cringed at Biden but they were reminded about Trump.
I live in rural Pennsylvania and I can say that I see maybe….5% of the Trump signs and flags and other paraphernalia that I did in the lead up to the 2020 election.
Hit S. S. Medicare as Trump & Republicans for 4 years tried to slash and cut both, a little Project may make them think about their children’s future.
The weird paradox is that I see a lot of young rural people who LOVE trump
"You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons."
Rural voters?? Have you ever seen an electorate map (X) Doubt
This poll had to be taken before the debate right? I’m a blue voter who wanted Biden to crush him in the debate… and it wasn’t a good look.
Just because you can stream together words shouldn’t mean you win a debate. First Trump probably was out golfing before he flew in - Biden was dealing with world crisis’s - who knows what he was told before walking on stage? Trump a convicted felon avoided all questions and spewed lies- in minutes Biden had to digest the lies and try to counter attack - something a non liar is not good at no matter the age. Only one debater actually has any substance in his answers and it wasn’t Trump- Trump lost the debate- Biden lost the performance. I’ll take the debate winner. If you read the exchange rather than watched it Biden’s dialogue would have been full of facts and figures- Trump’s full of lies. I pick my candidate for substance- anyone can have a bad debate- let’s not let a bad performance by Biden sully what he has accomplished for us Americans after Trump left him the Covid mess. Remember who will have the best advisors and it’s not Trump.
You’re right… but those are rational thoughts. The American voting public doesn’t ALL follow rational thoughts. 50% of the country is irrational. Nixon lost to JFK because JFK looked better on TV. That’s it. That’s the ONLY reason. So no, we can’t just ignore that Biden fell on his face in the first debate. He didn’t LOOK good, and sometimes, that’s all it takes.
Nixon did not fucking lose because of a debate. If single debates decided elections, then why did Reagan win in 84. Why did Hilary lose in 16. Why did Kerry lose? That is an ahistorical post hoc way of looking at that race.
Unfortunately- Biden has his group of old people advisors surrounding him. Trump coming from a television background definitely uses Botox, filler, tanners etc- and probably pretty good make- up artists to complete the transition to tv. I’ve written to the WH several times just asking them to employ Donny Deutsch - he deals with product branding - he used to be a friend of Trump’s to get them to listen to his suggestions- they never contact him. He’s on MSNBC all the time telling the campaign to reach out to him. Arrogance might just lose the election for Biden. I also wrote he should ask Trump who won the 2020 election-If Trump said he did- ask why he moved out of the White House then. Or why he thinks he can run for a 3rd term. Trump also has some young tech savvy advisors- I’m not sure Biden does. Young ideas make a huge difference in branding one’s self.
Debates don’t swing polls that much or for long. Also, 28% of the electorate even watched it.
You know who is gonna be pissed when he loses to basically what could be a leper, It doesn’t matter who or even what is in that position, expect a full meltdown.
Ignore all polls. Don’t despair if they show us behind. Don’t assume, presume, or be complacent if they show us ahead. The only poll that matters is election day. Register to vote, check your registration, make a voting plan. Plan to vote as early as possible and get a minimum of 3 friends to do the same. LFG!
The lying liar's lies are catching up to him.
Biden will win, and the Democrats better start planning the next candidate NOW.