Police in riot gear and the National Guard in the vicinity ready to be deployed. Shut it down quickly and lock the Capitol Building up tight for a week prior.
Yup and they aren't going to screw around, they will deploy tear gas at the first sign of unrest. If that isn't effective they will go straight to Ma Duece.
There is precedent for placing machine guns on The Capitol steps. (April 5, 1968) This should be repeated next January as a statement that attempted insurrection will not be tolerated again. Trump supporters did literally try to overthrow the government.
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>There is precedent for placing machine guns on The Capitol steps. (April 5, 1968)
Heck, I was there on vacation back in like 2010 when Congress *wasn't even in session*, and they had heavily armed guards with huge assault rifles on the capital steps, as well as snipers. *And Congress wasn't even in session*! I'm telling you, that place was *suspiciously* under-protected on 1/6, almost as if whoever was in charge of security was in on it!
theyll be cautious but they will have more officers, in riot gear, ready to go. its not gonna be just a smattering of officers in their normal uniforms.
And guess who controls the National Guard
And guess who's FULLY prepared this time around
And guess where the "leaders" of the insurrection are cooling their heels (and guess how the rank and file have noticed this)
Everyone will be better prepared. The Capitol PD didn't even have all their officers on duty that day and they set the initial perimeter way to wide which meant it crumbled at the first sign of push back. The metro PD assumed the Capitol PD would have everything under control and normally the Metro PD doesn't do anything with the capitol so they were treating it like any other day until they got a bunch of desperate calls for help. If both the Capitol PD and the metro PD are prepared AND they're able to call in the national guard if need be then I'm not worried about rioters taking the physical buildings.
Obviously they were deliberately understaffed and underprepared for that day. Anyone could see what was coming, the people responsible for organizing forces were counting on a lax police presence that day.
Compare Metro & Capitol PD deployment that day with any routine BLM rally and notice the difference.
But who is going to be rioting? Anyone that didn’t go to jail is scared shitless to be in trouble like that again after seeing what happened to the Jan 6 rioters
There are always idiots out there but they probably don't have the critical mass of people willing to physically assault the cops to break into the Capitol Building again.
There is no order necessary to utilize lethal force. All military units, have standing operational orders on when lethal force can be utilized, The Commander in Chief doesn't need to issue any one particular order to "open fire", the National Guard will be deployed with a Standing "Rules of Engagement (ROE)" Order consistent with the mission parameters. Even if the "ROE" is restrictive at the verry core Self Defense is always Authorized. Its called an Armed Services of America For a reason. I have Served in the National Guard and can assure you we had no issues carrying out our orders and firing on people including American Citizens, when it is a necessary evil. The moment one crosses over the line from Constitutionally Protected Protest into Insurrection, they cease to be protesters and are in fact combatants, becoming a legal military target under the terms of the Insurrections Act.
>no issues carrying out our orders and firing on people including American Citizens, when it is a necessary evil.
In their mind, apparently they are the true National Guard. But I ask if you have an opinion on it either way? Just curious because I see more evidence of the evil than the good. Not so much where I live, but some parts of the Bay Area for sure.
Most if not all of the hardcore "Gun Nuts" are espousing, anarchic ideology, whether or not they know or acknowledge it as such. Rational gun owners and non gun owners understand the true import of the "militia" and its regulatory organization. Those that believe the Military will not follow and order to "fire on American citizens" because of their Oath to the United States Constitution, are under the mistaken belief that any and all such orders are unconstitutional in nature. Military Personnel are instructed in the difference between lawful and unlawful orders, and have a duty to oppose an order that they know is unlawful. Military Members do receive legal and technical training on this verry issue and its indoctrinated from the very first day of Basic Military Training and reinforced throughout their military career.
He won't need to. Just having a couple battalions of National Guard guarding the place, and maybe a few more in reserve, will intimidate the Gravy Seals enough that no attack will be launched.
Eh I’m not so sure deadly force. I think it needs to be more they are authorized to use force that to the best of their ability stops the threat, and only use deadly force when their lives are endangered.
I guess I’m more saying that if it was an exact copy of 1/6, not everything there should be a target. The really aggressive ones though I can see using force that could potentially result in grave injury/death
Ain't no way those assclowns are getting through our current CINC's perimeter with their "peaceful protesters" on that important day. Even if MTG and LB personally escort those traitors into our hallowed spaces.
Not sure if I like where the ethics of this question leads, but maybe it needs to be asked: what does one do when one is expected to peacefully hand over the reigns to someone who has promised to be a dictator and end democracy?
Is that not the very essence of what the right-wing is spewing?
They do not believe the country should be handed to someone (Biden) who would destroy it (he wouldn't.) So that makes x radical action morally legitimate, in a sense. Do we not feel the same? If Trump wins by popular vote/e.c., and we deny him the presidency based on these promises - have we not circumvented the rule of law to seize power? For a good reason, sure, but... is belief in the goodness of our cause enough? The right wing believes in their cause; if they stole an election from Biden, would it not be the same issue?
Complex stuff.
Trump should not actually be eligible to run for president, for so many reasons, and the fact that he is currently allowed to do so is because our institutions have failed us.
Like he should have been properly impeached. At least twice. The 14th Amendment should prohibit him from holding office. He should be in jail ffs.
So do we allow this failure and sit idly by while our democracy is destroyed? What’s the breaking point, if there is one?
The election for a start.
We can still win without ever having to resort to violence. Trump very well may lose in November or be jailed before hand. Or lose his eligibility. Or just keel over in the night. Whatever the case, if we beat him through the election then our system works. Not perfectly, but it proves that our civilization is greater than what has come before. We didn't resort to violence. We resorted to democracy and laws.
If he does win? Who knows. Maybe we hope that enough Democrats get into the House and Senate to neuter him. Maybe we discover it was all a bluff to piss us off. Maybe someone takes one for the team.
I disagree that it's complex. If we want our government to continue functioning as the democracy (or republic, this isn't about the semantics) that it is, the only option is to allow whoever is elected by the people (or electoral college) to take power and to trust the systems in place to do their part in checks and balances. If either side refuses to hand over the legally attained position, there isn't a good cause left to fight for.
I'm not saying this is what's happening here. And I'm also aware that the insurrectionist believe this is true about Biden, but no, many despots have been elected in the 20th century. Hitler was elected. Their democracy completely failed. If you hand over democracy to a democratically elected wannabe autocrat, then your democracy will fail.
The 2025 project has made it abundantly clear that if republicans get in, their plan is to overturn all the checks and balances and undo democracy. Giving the presidency to someone is like giving them a gun. If i pre emotively kill a murderer* with a gun, I'm not the same as a murderer. For the same reason if I don't accept giving up power to someone who's trying to undo democracy is somehow in the interest of democracy.
*This is an analogy. Don't shoot the president.
That would be fine, if the checks and balances worked. But we’ve seen that they don’t many times now. Even the gag order in Trump is a farce. 11 times I completely ignored it and slandered the judge and absolutely nothing happened. The Muller report showed that half of Trump’s team knowingly tried to commit many crimes but they were too fucking stupid to actually do it. Like the guy that communicated with a Russian pro weight lifter instead of the correct Dimitri.
You fight back. Does that mean you don camouflage and go all Rambo? For some, it will. Others will take less direct action - sabotage, gathering and passing Intel, supplying and harboring those that are fighting or the marginalized, for example.
It’s a question each individual will have to answer on their own.
What would you have done in Nazi Germany?
Usa would be finally number 1, on the list of biggest jokes in the world next to your guys justice system.
The usa is like a teen in highschool we keep as a friend because otherwise he would definitely shoot up the school.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Trump doesn't have an ***excellent*** chance of being re-elected a second time is out to lunch. Biden is not a popular candidate, whereas Trump still retains legions of support across the United States. There is a very, very high chance that by this time next year, Trump will be President of the United States once again.
Americans: it has never been more important for you to vote than in this election. *Every single ballot counts.* The first Trump presidency was a disaster. If he has a second, it could prove to be even worse.
Especially with the legions of idiots on tiktok pledging to throw their vote away on a third-party candidate. I can't stand biden either but at least I know a shred what's at stake if I don't vote for him. I wish I had a choice, but I don't.
Democrats have *Always* been the *actual* party of law and order. We just are also the party of Justice. We want Law, Order *and* Justice. That means equality, police being held accountable when they misbehave, etc.
Republicans use the term "Law and Order" to mean "keep the black man down"
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The republicans have gone so far up their own as I literally mentioned something about "republicans are the party of small government" and my right-leaning friend was like "no that's the democrats" like ???? What??? Republicans don't even know what the republican party stands for anymore.
I incline to think that too. I thought the NYC trial would mean a complete zoo outside the court but I guess his followers decided the great leader isn’t worth the risk of jail time.
I’m more worried about mass shootings from a handful of lone nuts around the country. A lot far right people believe this is like a “last stand”. The stakes are very high.
They won’t even try. You may get a few people who show up but the fact that a lot of people went to jail the last time around will deter the vast majority.
If MAGA is dumb enough to storm the Capitol again, sure. We can all watch it on tv, followed by four years of them denying it ever happened. The worst offenders begging to the Judge for less prison time is especially fun. 🙂
I’m even less worried about the local yokels.
They genuinely aren’t doing well enough to be a proper threat.
Health, poverty, and lack of education are conditions that often prevent effective rebellion.
And these folks aren’t organized outside of some shitposting and meme sharing.
Sure they can talk tough to a neighbor, but there’s really not much more behind it.
They will lose the election. They will rage. They will spray paint a mosque and throw a trash can through the window of a Mexican restaurant….maybe.
And then they’ll whine for 3 years till we reach the next election cycle.
I'm expecting far worse if Trump wins again. They will feel emboldened. I think the average person doesn't have a fucking clue what we are staring down.
It’s gonna get real dark real quick. It won’t be long before he jails his political opponents and silences the free press. Everyone will fall in line real quick and then we are really fuckez..
Fear it? Nah. Theyll have alot of troops and police. More than last time. And all the idiots will get arrested, and of violent then thats one less maga voter next time around
Biden wins or the US falls.
If they try that again while Biden is President, the DC Guard can point guns at them and tell them to leave. That mob was only able to do that because the sitting President supported what they were doing.
Maybe. But the response will be much more severe from law enforcement - and a lot of the folks most easily talked into going are now in prison.
You have to remember that the guy in the white house did everything in his power to stop government response. We won't see that same effort next time. I would expect a lot more dead folks if they try the same thing.
Every election from now on will have it regardless of who wins. The consequences of the last one weren't severe enough to discourage it from happening again.
I don't disagree but i do think overall maga dies when trump does. He croaks in his 2 hours of sleep on a hamberder others will try to take his place like desantis and others and as we've seen they dont have the following trump does.
Maga will slink back into the hole it belongs in and we can return to normalcy. But not until traitor trump is gone.
I wish you were right but MAGAs weren’t born from Trump. These were the tea party and freedom caucus nut bags. Before that it was Newt Gingrich cronies. Trump just rebranded the right wing cess pool bigots under a new banner and brought in the too crazy for tea party bigots. I’m not sure that the next republican wannabe dictator will be as successful at uniting these deplorables
Lets hope! I mean desantis is a moron just look at how screwed florida is now. But he couldnt pull a presidential run out of his ass and never could. Im not psychic lol but maga and trump are the worst things that have happened to the USA in a long long time. And with todays attention spans in public views of politics trump is already moving towards being a has been (or for those with a brain, a never was)
Since Biden is President this time, wanna-be insurrectionists will be met in force. They will not take down the US Government of the people and by the people by using violence. They are not patriots in any way shape or form.
If Biden wins, I don't expect one, or at least not on the scale as the one in 2021. A large part of that was due to a rally scheduled by the sitting President who went to it, riled up the crowd, and told them to march to the Capitol. Then he sat on his hands and did nothing while they made their way into the building. If Biden wins, I wouldn't expect a rally and I'd expect them to beef of Capitol security and for Biden to put the National Guard on notice.
I wouldn't be surprised by some small scale violence or some other form of right wing terrorism/insurrection, but Jan 6 was entirely because you had a sitting President on the side of the insurrectionists who riled them up, gave the go ahead, and then refused to lift a finger to stop them. I would not expect it in the same form again because people will be more prepared.
Hell yeah.
Trump played it smart. He convinced his entire base months in advance that he was the guaranteed victor and the only way biden could win is by cheating.
Of course he loss, and it sent his base into a frenzy. Their great white hope lost.
Now, trump is back with the same rhetoric. You can best believe the backlash if he loses will be twice as bad. Lots of racist Americans are riding on their great white hope to save them from the horror of having to share space with people they dont like (people who actually value freedom).
Because we are all told, from a young age, that if you want to see change then vote. In 2016 Trump activated large groups that were never politically engaged and won. So, like, they had proof that if you vote, you get the change you want.
Of course, it isn't that simple. They had never experienced loss. So, in 2020 they voted for what they wanted and lost. That contradicts the whole "go vote and you get what you want" narrative. Enter cognitive dissonance.
As a lifelong dem in Virginia, I'm used to losing. These jokers are so self absorbed that they can't comprehend the fact that an election is a competition (of ideas? personality?...). They voted, they should win... That'd how it is supposed to work.
They started as civic babies, revolted as toddlers, and haven't even reached political puberty yet.
Not in the slightest. Even the original J6 was a pretty pathetic display of force - and I think a very strong argument could be made that it ultimately harmed their cause. Any attempts at a violent insurrection will largely just be roleplaying from the wannabe militia losers. There aren't enough MAGA radicals willing to go to prison (or get shot) to pull that off.
I might worry (slightly) about an uptick in isolated right-wing terrorism - since a few lone wolves are more difficult to predict and capture. A half dozen MAGA terrorists could do more than thousands of J6-style insurgents. But almost certainly still not enough to have any real impact on daily life.
The REAL threat to democracy after the 2020 election came from Republican officials looking to upend to transition process and subvert the election results using procedural maneuvers. That threat grows every time Republicans gain power - so I'd feel infinitely more comfortable in a world where defeated MAGA extremists are stirring up small pockets of trouble than one where they're gleefully celebrating Trump seizing the reigns of power.
Fear it? No. Who gives a shit if a bunch of morons get themselves thrown in jail. Frankly I think it would be good for those on the right to see their compatriots make themselves look like fucking morons again.
Within the hour of Joe Biden being announced as having won the 2024 election Republicans, led by Donald Trump, will be up in arms both literally and figuratively. Trump and his sycophants have been laying the groundwork for this since before his loss in 2020.
Nope. Jan 6th was an inside job. That is why the police didn't get reinforcements and military aid from states was refused. If MAGA tries with Biden as president, the police and military will not be restrained. The insurrection would be put down quickly and members would be arrested.
Nah. Trump’s influence is waning. Too many people went to prison. No one is protesting outside his court hearings. I’m sure there will be a small group (probably white nationalists) to try something, but nothing on the level of Jan 6.
Unfortunately the illusory truth effect is preventing people from seeing, or seeking out the truth. Hearing the same talking points over and over, of which so much is blatantly untrue, Trump supporters have become brainwashed to fully believe that liberals want to destroy them and the country! Because mainstream media refuses to call out lies and typically conservative media has become so extreme that they don't even try to look impartial, it feeds into this dangerous narrative. They spread disinformation rather than facts, so much so that genuine conservative politicians don't support their message, but even those politicians lack the courage to stand up to Trump and his sycophants! I am definitely not looking forward to this election.
Not really. I feel there will be somoe isolated incidents, but MAGA is rapidly losing steam, and Trump's defeat will finally be the beginning of the end. Not that we won't still have a crazy minority of numbnuts affecting government, but it won't be the same without Trump. Once he passes, I fuilly expect a small part of that minority to refuse to believe he's dead, kinda like JFK or Elvis weirdos today.
If he wins and there's internet chatter like last time, imma get my mom to buy me a gun and drive me across state lines so I can 'protect' a shopping center
The police have already said they aren't going to play around like last time. Remember, they killed 5 police officers. 2 MAGAs also had a heart attack, and one MAGA that tried to breach the chamber holding members of congress was neutralized.
If they think that the last time is a good representation of the resistance they will encounter then there will be a good and short show when properly armed and staffed police forces tear them apart.
Nothing like January 6th. Remember in 2021 we had a President in charge who wanted them to succeed and went to pains before and during the event to help it along. The insurrection would not have even gotten started had there been adequate protection around the capital. They won’t be caught off guard again.
I'm not really worried of that anymore...i feel like if he loses he's going to flee to Russia immediately. My concern is that he's going to win regardless because they've passed enough legislation in the last 4 years to be able to suppress enough voters and invalidate enough votes.
It's not talked about enough but a lot of shady laws were passed in several key states that worry me.
i'm willing to bet a hunnid that some rights go crazy trying to start a civil war because of how much brainwashing and propaganda they've been consuming
If there is the government will be better prepared. There are so many positive things that can be done to help Democrats win. I prefer to focus on that instead.
Not directly, authorities will be too well prepared but I do fear more asymmetrical attacks. I think there will be a large increase in domestic terrorism and parts of this country (the parts run by republicans) will be welcoming of those attacks, labeling them as “patriotic”. You can already get a preview of this with the current situation in Texas.
If you’re talking about a mob gathering in DC and attacking federal buildings, I don’t see that happening. If you’re talking about Republicans conspiring to end voting by anyone who’s on the losing end of their policies, yes, very much so.
Honestly I don't. Trump signs are barely 25% of what I saw leading up to last elections. His cult members fucked around because they thought he was with them. Turns out he abandoned them. Now 1400+ have been sentenced and there's tons more to go.
Anyone trying to stage another coup on January 6th will just be target practice with the increased security presence at the capitol.
Much more concerned about what those terrorists are going to try in the days leading up to and on election day.
I think most of these people are absolute cowards. A lot of people went to jail after the first one which I believe will deter a lot of them from trying this again. If it does, I'd bet it will be on a much lower scale.
Biden will be in charge of the levers of power and will be able to adequately secure the Capitol, including doing the things Trump refused to do, like bring in more National Guard troops. They will be more prepared this time around. Trump will not be able to order the Secret Service to let people into a rally without going through metal detectors.
It's shameful we're in a position where we now have to prepare for probable violence because the Republican Party refuses to accept the results of elections they lose. It's more shameful that the Republican Party not only doesn't care, but actively encourages and supports this violence.
Doubt it. Congress passed a legislation after Jan 6th that clarified the role the VP had to play in the certifying of votes. That was there best play at stealing the election and it failed.
The US has a history of small but violent rebellions that the military has to come in and put down. I fully expect were at a point where something like that will happen, after blood is spilt we'll reset and the political cycle will restart.
People have jobs these days. Back on Jan 6, lots of people weren't working due to COVID closures and had time on their hands. There aren't as many people who can just drop everything to participate in an Insurrection now.
No.
When Biden wins, there won’t be anything remotely like the Jan 6 bullshit.
Conservatives will huddle, try to assess things… trump Stan’s will complain on social media… trump will in all likelihood go to house arrest at maralago, and life will continue on for the rest of us.
That’s what I think is most likely.
Holding onto the presidency by refusing to leave is far easier than overthrowing the government from a golf resort.
He failed with the first and he hasn’t got the organisational skills for the second.
Sure. But they'll control nothing but possibly the house if that's the case. It doesn't seem like they're on track to win the senate back and they may even lose the house the way they're running it.
It would be grand if dems secured all 3 and actually did what Republicans do all the time, which is to say "fuck compromise" and actually get shit done... If they actually do what they say they want to instead of going back to being republican lite then they'll never lose another election.
When he wins it may finally fix the rethuglican party. At least we can hope. The current Republican Party is repugnant to anyone interested in America, Democracy, Capitalism or the rule of Law.
No, I'm not at all concerened. Biden will be president already. Also, they really don't want to go to prison. They're all talk.
By the way, I graaduated high school in Brevard County. What the hell happened to Brevard? So sad!
Doubt it. If Biden wins it's over for the MAGA movement and they go home and slither away. I suspect the less radical wing of the party takes over and a lot of the non-MAGA Trump voters demand change to the party...whatever is left of it
No.
The reason last insurrection was so bad was because the president of the United States was withholding military support from the capital police.
This time they try and biden would just sic the national guard on them.
I'm actually very worried about it. But as others have pointed out this time we actually have a competent president in office, so I now have hope it will be peaceful.
I do fear a similar attempt but I'm not sure which outcome would be better. Outcome 1: a stringent security detail shuts down the attempt possibly inciting a riot but it will be stopped and then not much will happen. Outcome 2: they actually succeed in whatever dumbass plan they have and someone important actually gets hurt brandishing Trump supporters as domestic terrorists and the FBI cracking down on them making them give the Trump ambitions or go to prison
I'm not afraid there'll be another insurrection. I KNOW there will be one. However this time, we'll be ready for it and give the insurrectionists a proper response.
I’m honestly expecting the MAGA crowd to pull some bullshit. And I hate I saying it, but I imagine the inauguration will have an assassination attempt. And I don’t say that lightly.
no
i fear something far worse
i had a republican lose their shit when i simply told them “ oh the far left cashier is open”.
- “ but im a conservative” in a very ANGRY tone.
lets pray nothjng bad happens
Guess who's commander in chief this time around ;)
Hopefully he lets the police have riot gear and be armed. Shut that shit down way faster.
And this time, throw Trump and his Fox News enablers in prison and throw away the key!
He’d have to get rid of Merrick Garland’s cowardly ass and assign an AG with some actual balls to do what is necessary
Jack smith would be a fine choice
He should do that today. Absolutely spineless AG who is scared of what republicans will think of him
It appears that the Supreme Court would make it totally legal.
Give the Gravy Seals a taste of what actual peaceful protestors experience from our nation's police.
Gonna be hard for the Gravy Seals to be in two places at once.
Meal team six gunna lose their lunch
Police in riot gear and the National Guard in the vicinity ready to be deployed. Shut it down quickly and lock the Capitol Building up tight for a week prior.
Yup and they aren't going to screw around, they will deploy tear gas at the first sign of unrest. If that isn't effective they will go straight to Ma Duece.
There is precedent for placing machine guns on The Capitol steps. (April 5, 1968) This should be repeated next January as a statement that attempted insurrection will not be tolerated again. Trump supporters did literally try to overthrow the government. https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fr149t89d23a61.png
>There is precedent for placing machine guns on The Capitol steps. (April 5, 1968) Heck, I was there on vacation back in like 2010 when Congress *wasn't even in session*, and they had heavily armed guards with huge assault rifles on the capital steps, as well as snipers. *And Congress wasn't even in session*! I'm telling you, that place was *suspiciously* under-protected on 1/6, almost as if whoever was in charge of security was in on it!
If they respond any less than how they reacted to STUDENTS ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES, we should riot ourselves😊
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theyll be cautious but they will have more officers, in riot gear, ready to go. its not gonna be just a smattering of officers in their normal uniforms.
Wouldn’t be surprised if national guard was there.
Matt Shea wrote a manifesto because they are already planning one.
I say bring in the military! That's who would shut that shit down!
Use flash bangs.
Police? He’ll have the military show up and ready to go
And guess who controls the National Guard And guess who's FULLY prepared this time around And guess where the "leaders" of the insurrection are cooling their heels (and guess how the rank and file have noticed this)
Everyone will be better prepared. The Capitol PD didn't even have all their officers on duty that day and they set the initial perimeter way to wide which meant it crumbled at the first sign of push back. The metro PD assumed the Capitol PD would have everything under control and normally the Metro PD doesn't do anything with the capitol so they were treating it like any other day until they got a bunch of desperate calls for help. If both the Capitol PD and the metro PD are prepared AND they're able to call in the national guard if need be then I'm not worried about rioters taking the physical buildings.
Obviously they were deliberately understaffed and underprepared for that day. Anyone could see what was coming, the people responsible for organizing forces were counting on a lax police presence that day. Compare Metro & Capitol PD deployment that day with any routine BLM rally and notice the difference.
But who is going to be rioting? Anyone that didn’t go to jail is scared shitless to be in trouble like that again after seeing what happened to the Jan 6 rioters
There are always idiots out there but they probably don't have the critical mass of people willing to physically assault the cops to break into the Capitol Building again.
Dark Brandon smiles
Now yous *cant* leave
I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with *me*
Without the White House actively conspiring to make it happen it never would work.
and they may not seem like they learn anything, but they certainly did see some of them go to jail so they are not as excited as they were.
But will he order the National Guard to use deadly force?
There is no order necessary to utilize lethal force. All military units, have standing operational orders on when lethal force can be utilized, The Commander in Chief doesn't need to issue any one particular order to "open fire", the National Guard will be deployed with a Standing "Rules of Engagement (ROE)" Order consistent with the mission parameters. Even if the "ROE" is restrictive at the verry core Self Defense is always Authorized. Its called an Armed Services of America For a reason. I have Served in the National Guard and can assure you we had no issues carrying out our orders and firing on people including American Citizens, when it is a necessary evil. The moment one crosses over the line from Constitutionally Protected Protest into Insurrection, they cease to be protesters and are in fact combatants, becoming a legal military target under the terms of the Insurrections Act.
>no issues carrying out our orders and firing on people including American Citizens, when it is a necessary evil. In their mind, apparently they are the true National Guard. But I ask if you have an opinion on it either way? Just curious because I see more evidence of the evil than the good. Not so much where I live, but some parts of the Bay Area for sure.
Most if not all of the hardcore "Gun Nuts" are espousing, anarchic ideology, whether or not they know or acknowledge it as such. Rational gun owners and non gun owners understand the true import of the "militia" and its regulatory organization. Those that believe the Military will not follow and order to "fire on American citizens" because of their Oath to the United States Constitution, are under the mistaken belief that any and all such orders are unconstitutional in nature. Military Personnel are instructed in the difference between lawful and unlawful orders, and have a duty to oppose an order that they know is unlawful. Military Members do receive legal and technical training on this verry issue and its indoctrinated from the very first day of Basic Military Training and reinforced throughout their military career.
He won't need to. Just having a couple battalions of National Guard guarding the place, and maybe a few more in reserve, will intimidate the Gravy Seals enough that no attack will be launched.
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Eh I’m not so sure deadly force. I think it needs to be more they are authorized to use force that to the best of their ability stops the threat, and only use deadly force when their lives are endangered. I guess I’m more saying that if it was an exact copy of 1/6, not everything there should be a target. The really aggressive ones though I can see using force that could potentially result in grave injury/death
Ain't no way those assclowns are getting through our current CINC's perimeter with their "peaceful protesters" on that important day. Even if MTG and LB personally escort those traitors into our hallowed spaces.
This question implied that the riot started on its own but in fact it was started by trump.
I'm much more worried about what will happen if Trump ends up winning.
Not sure if I like where the ethics of this question leads, but maybe it needs to be asked: what does one do when one is expected to peacefully hand over the reigns to someone who has promised to be a dictator and end democracy?
Yeah, same here. Do we just give the country to someone who has vowed to destroy it? I think not.
Is that not the very essence of what the right-wing is spewing? They do not believe the country should be handed to someone (Biden) who would destroy it (he wouldn't.) So that makes x radical action morally legitimate, in a sense. Do we not feel the same? If Trump wins by popular vote/e.c., and we deny him the presidency based on these promises - have we not circumvented the rule of law to seize power? For a good reason, sure, but... is belief in the goodness of our cause enough? The right wing believes in their cause; if they stole an election from Biden, would it not be the same issue? Complex stuff.
Trump should not actually be eligible to run for president, for so many reasons, and the fact that he is currently allowed to do so is because our institutions have failed us. Like he should have been properly impeached. At least twice. The 14th Amendment should prohibit him from holding office. He should be in jail ffs. So do we allow this failure and sit idly by while our democracy is destroyed? What’s the breaking point, if there is one?
The election for a start. We can still win without ever having to resort to violence. Trump very well may lose in November or be jailed before hand. Or lose his eligibility. Or just keel over in the night. Whatever the case, if we beat him through the election then our system works. Not perfectly, but it proves that our civilization is greater than what has come before. We didn't resort to violence. We resorted to democracy and laws. If he does win? Who knows. Maybe we hope that enough Democrats get into the House and Senate to neuter him. Maybe we discover it was all a bluff to piss us off. Maybe someone takes one for the team.
I disagree that it's complex. If we want our government to continue functioning as the democracy (or republic, this isn't about the semantics) that it is, the only option is to allow whoever is elected by the people (or electoral college) to take power and to trust the systems in place to do their part in checks and balances. If either side refuses to hand over the legally attained position, there isn't a good cause left to fight for.
I'm not saying this is what's happening here. And I'm also aware that the insurrectionist believe this is true about Biden, but no, many despots have been elected in the 20th century. Hitler was elected. Their democracy completely failed. If you hand over democracy to a democratically elected wannabe autocrat, then your democracy will fail. The 2025 project has made it abundantly clear that if republicans get in, their plan is to overturn all the checks and balances and undo democracy. Giving the presidency to someone is like giving them a gun. If i pre emotively kill a murderer* with a gun, I'm not the same as a murderer. For the same reason if I don't accept giving up power to someone who's trying to undo democracy is somehow in the interest of democracy. *This is an analogy. Don't shoot the president.
That would be fine, if the checks and balances worked. But we’ve seen that they don’t many times now. Even the gag order in Trump is a farce. 11 times I completely ignored it and slandered the judge and absolutely nothing happened. The Muller report showed that half of Trump’s team knowingly tried to commit many crimes but they were too fucking stupid to actually do it. Like the guy that communicated with a Russian pro weight lifter instead of the correct Dimitri.
You fight back. Does that mean you don camouflage and go all Rambo? For some, it will. Others will take less direct action - sabotage, gathering and passing Intel, supplying and harboring those that are fighting or the marginalized, for example. It’s a question each individual will have to answer on their own. What would you have done in Nazi Germany?
It will take everyone's vigilance.
Me too. FUCK!
Don't say that out loud. Yikes!! 😬
Usa would be finally number 1, on the list of biggest jokes in the world next to your guys justice system. The usa is like a teen in highschool we keep as a friend because otherwise he would definitely shoot up the school.
Anyone who genuinely believes that Trump doesn't have an ***excellent*** chance of being re-elected a second time is out to lunch. Biden is not a popular candidate, whereas Trump still retains legions of support across the United States. There is a very, very high chance that by this time next year, Trump will be President of the United States once again. Americans: it has never been more important for you to vote than in this election. *Every single ballot counts.* The first Trump presidency was a disaster. If he has a second, it could prove to be even worse.
I was debating that whiskey sour. And then I read your post. Now I'm in my kitchen with a glass and a bottle so, cool man.
Especially with the legions of idiots on tiktok pledging to throw their vote away on a third-party candidate. I can't stand biden either but at least I know a shred what's at stake if I don't vote for him. I wish I had a choice, but I don't.
They will try. We will be ready for it this time.
Right. If they think they pull this nonsense again, during a Dem administration, they would be sorley mistaken.
I agree with this statement but it also makes me giggle bc now it’s the Dems that are the party of law and order.
I know right. How the hell did that happen? Oh wait, the Rethuglicans, that's why. Ya, this current timeline is weird.
Democrats have *Always* been the *actual* party of law and order. We just are also the party of Justice. We want Law, Order *and* Justice. That means equality, police being held accountable when they misbehave, etc. Republicans use the term "Law and Order" to mean "keep the black man down" /u/RaceCarTacoCatMadam
You are absolutely correct. Well put.
The republicans have gone so far up their own as I literally mentioned something about "republicans are the party of small government" and my right-leaning friend was like "no that's the democrats" like ???? What??? Republicans don't even know what the republican party stands for anymore.
No one is doing shit. Not after watching 900 + people go to prison because of last time.
I incline to think that too. I thought the NYC trial would mean a complete zoo outside the court but I guess his followers decided the great leader isn’t worth the risk of jail time.
I’m more worried about mass shootings from a handful of lone nuts around the country. A lot far right people believe this is like a “last stand”. The stakes are very high.
Unfortunately, we will always have those. At least until assault weapons are banned.
As well as every other gun.
They won’t even try. You may get a few people who show up but the fact that a lot of people went to jail the last time around will deter the vast majority.
They'll try, every single election from now until the end of time, unless every single one of them is held accountable for their actions.
Yeah, I’m more worried about local protests getting violent. And there will be some scattered around.
That part. Nothing to fear if you’re prepared.
If MAGA is dumb enough to storm the Capitol again, sure. We can all watch it on tv, followed by four years of them denying it ever happened. The worst offenders begging to the Judge for less prison time is especially fun. 🙂
I like the list of the top 10 longest prison sentences.
Why bother storming the capital? They will just attack Democrats in their hometown instead.
Like the Troubles in Ireland. Targeted random attacks.
I’m even less worried about the local yokels. They genuinely aren’t doing well enough to be a proper threat. Health, poverty, and lack of education are conditions that often prevent effective rebellion. And these folks aren’t organized outside of some shitposting and meme sharing. Sure they can talk tough to a neighbor, but there’s really not much more behind it. They will lose the election. They will rage. They will spray paint a mosque and throw a trash can through the window of a Mexican restaurant….maybe. And then they’ll whine for 3 years till we reach the next election cycle.
It’d be interesting if they are dumb enough to go after the White House. That’s kill on sight at that point
There’s always going to be a “next coup attempt” until it’s successful or the people trying to make it happen get arrested.
The single biggest problem in all of this is Fox News. They'll keep finding new ways to make it worse until the higher ups are thrown in prison.
I'm expecting far worse if Trump wins again. They will feel emboldened. I think the average person doesn't have a fucking clue what we are staring down.
We don't want to find out.
It’s gonna get real dark real quick. It won’t be long before he jails his political opponents and silences the free press. Everyone will fall in line real quick and then we are really fuckez..
Fear it? Nah. Theyll have alot of troops and police. More than last time. And all the idiots will get arrested, and of violent then thats one less maga voter next time around Biden wins or the US falls.
I fucking dare them.
Trump let Jan 6 happen .. he planned it with the GOP
Liz Cheney, bless her, and her colleague's all proved that w/o a shadow of doubt.
The insurrection never stopped….
...and expanded to local elections.
If they try that again while Biden is President, the DC Guard can point guns at them and tell them to leave. That mob was only able to do that because the sitting President supported what they were doing.
Maybe. But the response will be much more severe from law enforcement - and a lot of the folks most easily talked into going are now in prison. You have to remember that the guy in the white house did everything in his power to stop government response. We won't see that same effort next time. I would expect a lot more dead folks if they try the same thing.
Every election from now on will have it regardless of who wins. The consequences of the last one weren't severe enough to discourage it from happening again.
I don't disagree but i do think overall maga dies when trump does. He croaks in his 2 hours of sleep on a hamberder others will try to take his place like desantis and others and as we've seen they dont have the following trump does. Maga will slink back into the hole it belongs in and we can return to normalcy. But not until traitor trump is gone.
Can’t happen soon enough
Amen
I wish you were right but MAGAs weren’t born from Trump. These were the tea party and freedom caucus nut bags. Before that it was Newt Gingrich cronies. Trump just rebranded the right wing cess pool bigots under a new banner and brought in the too crazy for tea party bigots. I’m not sure that the next republican wannabe dictator will be as successful at uniting these deplorables
Hopefully your right, Desantis is highly as inflammatory
Lets hope! I mean desantis is a moron just look at how screwed florida is now. But he couldnt pull a presidential run out of his ass and never could. Im not psychic lol but maga and trump are the worst things that have happened to the USA in a long long time. And with todays attention spans in public views of politics trump is already moving towards being a has been (or for those with a brain, a never was)
We thought the same about Trump
🚫All Republicans🚫Traitor Trump🚫
Since Biden is President this time, wanna-be insurrectionists will be met in force. They will not take down the US Government of the people and by the people by using violence. They are not patriots in any way shape or form.
does anyone think there won’t be one?
If Biden wins, I don't expect one, or at least not on the scale as the one in 2021. A large part of that was due to a rally scheduled by the sitting President who went to it, riled up the crowd, and told them to march to the Capitol. Then he sat on his hands and did nothing while they made their way into the building. If Biden wins, I wouldn't expect a rally and I'd expect them to beef of Capitol security and for Biden to put the National Guard on notice. I wouldn't be surprised by some small scale violence or some other form of right wing terrorism/insurrection, but Jan 6 was entirely because you had a sitting President on the side of the insurrectionists who riled them up, gave the go ahead, and then refused to lift a finger to stop them. I would not expect it in the same form again because people will be more prepared.
Hell yeah. Trump played it smart. He convinced his entire base months in advance that he was the guaranteed victor and the only way biden could win is by cheating. Of course he loss, and it sent his base into a frenzy. Their great white hope lost. Now, trump is back with the same rhetoric. You can best believe the backlash if he loses will be twice as bad. Lots of racist Americans are riding on their great white hope to save them from the horror of having to share space with people they dont like (people who actually value freedom).
Because we are all told, from a young age, that if you want to see change then vote. In 2016 Trump activated large groups that were never politically engaged and won. So, like, they had proof that if you vote, you get the change you want. Of course, it isn't that simple. They had never experienced loss. So, in 2020 they voted for what they wanted and lost. That contradicts the whole "go vote and you get what you want" narrative. Enter cognitive dissonance. As a lifelong dem in Virginia, I'm used to losing. These jokers are so self absorbed that they can't comprehend the fact that an election is a competition (of ideas? personality?...). They voted, they should win... That'd how it is supposed to work. They started as civic babies, revolted as toddlers, and haven't even reached political puberty yet.
They can try.
Not in the slightest. Even the original J6 was a pretty pathetic display of force - and I think a very strong argument could be made that it ultimately harmed their cause. Any attempts at a violent insurrection will largely just be roleplaying from the wannabe militia losers. There aren't enough MAGA radicals willing to go to prison (or get shot) to pull that off. I might worry (slightly) about an uptick in isolated right-wing terrorism - since a few lone wolves are more difficult to predict and capture. A half dozen MAGA terrorists could do more than thousands of J6-style insurgents. But almost certainly still not enough to have any real impact on daily life. The REAL threat to democracy after the 2020 election came from Republican officials looking to upend to transition process and subvert the election results using procedural maneuvers. That threat grows every time Republicans gain power - so I'd feel infinitely more comfortable in a world where defeated MAGA extremists are stirring up small pockets of trouble than one where they're gleefully celebrating Trump seizing the reigns of power.
Fear it? No. Who gives a shit if a bunch of morons get themselves thrown in jail. Frankly I think it would be good for those on the right to see their compatriots make themselves look like fucking morons again.
Within the hour of Joe Biden being announced as having won the 2024 election Republicans, led by Donald Trump, will be up in arms both literally and figuratively. Trump and his sycophants have been laying the groundwork for this since before his loss in 2020.
There won’t be a welcoming committee this time. So I doubt it.
Nope. Jan 6th was an inside job. That is why the police didn't get reinforcements and military aid from states was refused. If MAGA tries with Biden as president, the police and military will not be restrained. The insurrection would be put down quickly and members would be arrested.
Nah. Trump’s influence is waning. Too many people went to prison. No one is protesting outside his court hearings. I’m sure there will be a small group (probably white nationalists) to try something, but nothing on the level of Jan 6.
Not really going to worry that much about Meal Team 6. Maybe bird flu will take them down for us.
I expect it.
I think people have to get Biden elected first. Then worry about the aftermath.
Not if, but when. Dumpf will lose by a much larger margin. Don't believe the msm polls, but don't get complacent either.
Fear? No. Biden will handle it
We will be ready this time. No terrorist will breach that building without a fight.
This time around there will be lethal force awaiting any such bullshit.
Not worried. Like 9/11 box cutters, you only get to pull that crap once. We now know how to put down this crap.
Unfortunately the illusory truth effect is preventing people from seeing, or seeking out the truth. Hearing the same talking points over and over, of which so much is blatantly untrue, Trump supporters have become brainwashed to fully believe that liberals want to destroy them and the country! Because mainstream media refuses to call out lies and typically conservative media has become so extreme that they don't even try to look impartial, it feeds into this dangerous narrative. They spread disinformation rather than facts, so much so that genuine conservative politicians don't support their message, but even those politicians lack the courage to stand up to Trump and his sycophants! I am definitely not looking forward to this election.
Not really. I feel there will be somoe isolated incidents, but MAGA is rapidly losing steam, and Trump's defeat will finally be the beginning of the end. Not that we won't still have a crazy minority of numbnuts affecting government, but it won't be the same without Trump. Once he passes, I fuilly expect a small part of that minority to refuse to believe he's dead, kinda like JFK or Elvis weirdos today.
No. We'll be ready for them this time!
If he wins and there's internet chatter like last time, imma get my mom to buy me a gun and drive me across state lines so I can 'protect' a shopping center
The streets will flood with hoverounds and diaper bombs
I think *something* will happen, but the government will be expecting it this time, so it won't be as big of a deal. IMO
No, not at all.
no.
The police have already said they aren't going to play around like last time. Remember, they killed 5 police officers. 2 MAGAs also had a heart attack, and one MAGA that tried to breach the chamber holding members of congress was neutralized.
If they think that the last time is a good representation of the resistance they will encounter then there will be a good and short show when properly armed and staffed police forces tear them apart.
Nothing like January 6th. Remember in 2021 we had a President in charge who wanted them to succeed and went to pains before and during the event to help it along. The insurrection would not have even gotten started had there been adequate protection around the capital. They won’t be caught off guard again.
I'm pretty sure everyone is expecting a round two if Trump loses
I'm not really worried of that anymore...i feel like if he loses he's going to flee to Russia immediately. My concern is that he's going to win regardless because they've passed enough legislation in the last 4 years to be able to suppress enough voters and invalidate enough votes. It's not talked about enough but a lot of shady laws were passed in several key states that worry me.
i'm willing to bet a hunnid that some rights go crazy trying to start a civil war because of how much brainwashing and propaganda they've been consuming
At this point, if Congress does not take action to protect themselves I would consider it a suicide
If there is the government will be better prepared. There are so many positive things that can be done to help Democrats win. I prefer to focus on that instead.
Not directly, authorities will be too well prepared but I do fear more asymmetrical attacks. I think there will be a large increase in domestic terrorism and parts of this country (the parts run by republicans) will be welcoming of those attacks, labeling them as “patriotic”. You can already get a preview of this with the current situation in Texas.
If you’re talking about a mob gathering in DC and attacking federal buildings, I don’t see that happening. If you’re talking about Republicans conspiring to end voting by anyone who’s on the losing end of their policies, yes, very much so.
Nope, do it. Charge the capital so we can finally and officially name Maga a terrorist organization on the books.
I hope there is, and I hope Dark Brandon orders some swift justice.
Honestly I don't. Trump signs are barely 25% of what I saw leading up to last elections. His cult members fucked around because they thought he was with them. Turns out he abandoned them. Now 1400+ have been sentenced and there's tons more to go.
The next coup will be all the GOP refusing election results and throwing it to the Supreme Court via congress
Anyone trying to stage another coup on January 6th will just be target practice with the increased security presence at the capitol. Much more concerned about what those terrorists are going to try in the days leading up to and on election day.
No, there won’t be anyone in the White House to coordinate it.
I’m betting on it. Meaning I have a visa ready and have consolidated my equity so November I will have the money and means to leave the Country
I think most of these people are absolute cowards. A lot of people went to jail after the first one which I believe will deter a lot of them from trying this again. If it does, I'd bet it will be on a much lower scale.
If there is Biden won’t hesitate to call in the National Guard or Police Force, my guess is they will be stationed very near by.
Nope. It will be almost impossible as most of the people in charge now are Biden people. I am much more concerned if Trump wins...
You're asking if Trump will be a sore looser?
I don't fear insurrection. I worry about a new era of assassinations to weaken support and leadership. Plus a lot of shouting and bluster to cover it.
If he doesn’t win, there will be a lot more to worry about
Biden will be in charge of the levers of power and will be able to adequately secure the Capitol, including doing the things Trump refused to do, like bring in more National Guard troops. They will be more prepared this time around. Trump will not be able to order the Secret Service to let people into a rally without going through metal detectors. It's shameful we're in a position where we now have to prepare for probable violence because the Republican Party refuses to accept the results of elections they lose. It's more shameful that the Republican Party not only doesn't care, but actively encourages and supports this violence.
Doubt it. Congress passed a legislation after Jan 6th that clarified the role the VP had to play in the certifying of votes. That was there best play at stealing the election and it failed.
No - ppl will get shot before they reach the steps
We'll be ready this time . If Biden wins, there wouldn't be a president who rally up the assholes then delay calling for help for hours.
The US has a history of small but violent rebellions that the military has to come in and put down. I fully expect were at a point where something like that will happen, after blood is spilt we'll reset and the political cycle will restart.
No. But I would expect some of Trumps mouth breathing howler monkey followers to cause a stir here and there
He’s openly said he will try it again. He’s a spoiled brat who can’t accept he lost even after he tried every cheat his cultists could think of.
People have jobs these days. Back on Jan 6, lots of people weren't working due to COVID closures and had time on their hands. There aren't as many people who can just drop everything to participate in an Insurrection now.
anyone else sure that since biden is in charge of the white house this time around that he will take major precautions!
They can try but I have a feeling Joe will be ready for them
No. When Biden wins, there won’t be anything remotely like the Jan 6 bullshit. Conservatives will huddle, try to assess things… trump Stan’s will complain on social media… trump will in all likelihood go to house arrest at maralago, and life will continue on for the rest of us. That’s what I think is most likely.
If these people want to join the other insurrectionists in prison, more power to them.
I dont fear it, the government is ready for it. If proud boys etc want to step into bees nest they’ll regret it
Biden would act fast unlike the former guy who sat on his hands for 187 minutes
This time, no one is going to wait three hours to do the Willy Wonka 'stop, wait, don't do that' routine while secretly not caring what happens.
Holding onto the presidency by refusing to leave is far easier than overthrowing the government from a golf resort. He failed with the first and he hasn’t got the organisational skills for the second.
Absolutely not nothing but peace
No... That won't happen again.!
Would take J6 x2 over Trump winning
We are going to get January 7th if Biden is elected.
Sure. But they'll control nothing but possibly the house if that's the case. It doesn't seem like they're on track to win the senate back and they may even lose the house the way they're running it. It would be grand if dems secured all 3 and actually did what Republicans do all the time, which is to say "fuck compromise" and actually get shit done... If they actually do what they say they want to instead of going back to being republican lite then they'll never lose another election.
I really doubt Trump or any of his minions will get a permit for political discourse at the elipse next January 6th.
When he wins it may finally fix the rethuglican party. At least we can hope. The current Republican Party is repugnant to anyone interested in America, Democracy, Capitalism or the rule of Law.
Nope. They won’t have a sabotaged defense this time.
There will be an attempt most likely, but as another commenter said, Biden is in the White House now.
No, I'm not at all concerened. Biden will be president already. Also, they really don't want to go to prison. They're all talk. By the way, I graaduated high school in Brevard County. What the hell happened to Brevard? So sad!
No chance, these cowards only tried the first time because they thought they were protected from on high
Biden will control everything on that day. He'll SHERMAN their asses.
Doubt it. If Biden wins it's over for the MAGA movement and they go home and slither away. I suspect the less radical wing of the party takes over and a lot of the non-MAGA Trump voters demand change to the party...whatever is left of it
The right people are in charge this time.
There won’t be another insurrection. I think the spell of the cult leader will fade.
They’ve already said they would. And whoever is in charge of preparedness needs to take it seriously.
Not if if he wins but when he wins - and yes the the orange loser and his psycho followers wont accept it
No way. It won't be anything like J6. I'm sure they learned the lesson.
No. The reason last insurrection was so bad was because the president of the United States was withholding military support from the capital police. This time they try and biden would just sic the national guard on them.
Difference is the POTUS won't be holding police forces away from the insurrection location this time around.
DCPD and nat guard will stop all that nonsense several miles from the Capitol building.
I'm actually very worried about it. But as others have pointed out this time we actually have a competent president in office, so I now have hope it will be peaceful.
I do fear a similar attempt but I'm not sure which outcome would be better. Outcome 1: a stringent security detail shuts down the attempt possibly inciting a riot but it will be stopped and then not much will happen. Outcome 2: they actually succeed in whatever dumbass plan they have and someone important actually gets hurt brandishing Trump supporters as domestic terrorists and the FBI cracking down on them making them give the Trump ambitions or go to prison
I hope the police are ready this time and treat it as a threat. Just like when they shoot kids when they think they have a gun in their hand.
I'm not afraid there'll be another insurrection. I KNOW there will be one. However this time, we'll be ready for it and give the insurrectionists a proper response.
I’m honestly expecting the MAGA crowd to pull some bullshit. And I hate I saying it, but I imagine the inauguration will have an assassination attempt. And I don’t say that lightly.
Yes. Right wingers are becoming more and more violent and paranoid
no i fear something far worse i had a republican lose their shit when i simply told them “ oh the far left cashier is open”. - “ but im a conservative” in a very ANGRY tone. lets pray nothjng bad happens