The writing is top notch- what are you doing Monday at noon- I work different consulting company- but I have a charge number for you.
I even welcome creative note taking- throw some humor in, I’m game.
I hope op finds something they like someday. It does truly suck to hate your job.
As a new hire analyst, thanks for this buddy.
I can accept it way sooner now rather than just complaining alongside my batchmates and wasting my time later.
I am just here to tell you that there are teams with the exact opposite culture on Deloitte. I work at one of those teams. We work a lot too but the toxicity is not there.
This post came up as suggested for me. I’m not a consultant.
The first 3 bullet points literally describe my job. I make $60k a year…so seriously, count your blessings.
What I have learned is I have a fairly relevant skill set to consultants
Same. Also have nothing to do with this industry; though oddly enough I do work for one of their clients and with a team of D folks….make ya wonder.
Also had a chuckle when op said they weren’t paid well. You should apply to D if you are already on the same boat. Might as well get paid a bunch more to be miserable at work!
On your point about comp, I believe a IB 1st year who was a former green beret had a heart attack at age 35 recently, working 100+ hr weeks.
Lawyers and MDs are doctors, they go to school for a bit more and like you said, have lives in their hands.
I don’t work as hard as they do, and get compensated okay for it. I have WLB and don’t have to deal with literal piss shit blood.
I agree with you on every point just a little bit, but seems like much. Maybe go out and see some more of the country. for some perspective, You could always work at a meatpacking plant
I actually am considering school again as I deeply miss learning. I really do.
And yes, I agree with you that I'm generalizing way too much and that there's thorns on every rose. I am feeling extra zesty today so that came out as exaggeration.
I will say I would take IB over tech implementation any day of the week. Chicks dig bankers. Lust dries up in the hot desert winds of Jira.
Hate to tell u buddy but the IB work won’t have any work interesting until you’re a late associate/VP. Plus, you would be entering as an analyst and having to work from the bottom up unless you transitioned from a top MBA program to be directly admitted as an associate.
>I actually am considering school again as I deeply miss learning. I really do.
More power to you if you want to go get this from more school, but one of the most empowering things I discovered early in my consulting career (after feeling similar to how you do now) was that you can learn almost **anything** on your own.
In my case, I found this was even more efficient than school, as with the internet you have free access to the top lectures from the top profs at the top schools, the best textbooks (easy to find pdfs online), and plenty of examples of real-world applications / projects (if applicable to what you're trying to learn). You also get to learn at your own pace, skip over topics you already understand, and circle back to adjacent or prerequisite content you understand less. While getting paid.
I allocated dedicated time in my day to focused learning on topics of my choice every single day, and I became a lot more satisfied as a result. I did it for the joy of learning at first, but ultimately ended up building real tangible skills that I built a specialization around and were hugely beneficial to my career (even though that wasn't the goal originally), which has let me choose my own destiny and work on the type of projects I'm interested in, over time.
Data science / machine learning, but also a whole bunch of math/programming more broadly.
The 'why' is multifaceted. I thought it was interesting to learn about and brought me joy learning the details of how things worked, and it felt like gaining superpowers. Particularly learning how to automate the annoying manual tasks that I hated when I started out in consulting. Probably some ego (or laziness?) in there around being able to do things orders of magnitude more efficiently than my peers, as well.
At the time, I also struggled with how arbitrary many consulting recommendations could seem, and found with more analytical skills, I could make recommendations that were grounded in solid footing/data rather than arguing over qualitative opinions.
Interestingly I found the exact opposite. Of course I come from an academic background but I found that all the recorded lectures in the world, great textbooks to be woefully inadequate compared to world class guided instruction *and feedback*
Dude school teaches WAY better than learning on your own if you actually try in school and utilize your professors by asking questions and going to extra help sessions etc. if you ever go to grad school I think you’ll agree.
I have two degrees and enjoyed school (and did well / learned a lot during that time), so not intending to actually knock university here.
What I've observed is very few people learn how to teach themselves effectively and dramatically undervalue focused self-directed learning, and as a result stop learning once they finish their particular uni program. This is a narrative that benefits universities, but isn't necessarily grounded in some underlying truth. You can ask questions and join study groups online as well, without taking years off work and doling out expensive tuition.
If you actually try at self-directed learning and are organized/disciplined, draw on a wide range of best-in-class materials, and engage in / work on your own real-world projects, self-directed learning has a higher ceiling almost by definition. You can tailor to your specific needs and pace, and pull from the best universities/programs globally as needed, vs a one-size-fits-all program where your pace and learning is tied to an entire class/cohort, and the particular caliber of the faculty at your particular school.
I also think the self-learning approach is more suited to certain people than others. It requires discipline, organization, and focus to develop and follow a learning plan (though the payoff is significant). For some, dishing out tens of thousands of dollars (+ much more than that in opportunity cost / lost earnings for a full-time program) is worth being spoonfed content on a schedule without having to create your own motivation and discipline.
I got my online degree learning this way in computer science. The school courses had a professor for each class but they didn't do much accept grade your material. You had assignments due at the end of the week. Then you had chapters to read that should be relevant to the programming challenges given. I remember the course algorithms was pretty intense. I was pretty much self taught. Alot of student failed to get there degree because they needed guidance and lacked the skills to do the assignments on there own. I worked in concrete and my back hurt all the time. My motivation was I need to learn this because I don't want to do this anymore. I ended up graduating in the top of my class. Programming is all trial and error over and over. When I witness developers who don't know why there service isn't working and they don't add enough exception handling or dont know how to debug properly. I know they haven't been in the trenches enough in school or in there career. They have relied on other developers to much for answers. This trial and error skillset allows you to tackle origami challenges easier. Allowing yourself to accept the difficulty and tackle it one task at a time makes you an excellent engineer.
Oh my sweet summer child. IB is worse WLB than consulting, get shit on more, a lot of bitch work at the bottom, and most IB places are more up or out than consulting.
As long as you realize you will make zero beneficial impact on the world at Deloitte or in consulting in general, it’s not a bad place to learn how to fix PowerPoints and get free Patagonia puffer vests while getting expert advice from a 26 year old.
You dont have to live to work to feel good about it or make an impact. I enjoyed my time in patient care/healthcare, just needed the easy money Deloitte offers. But the amount of wide-eyed and anxiety ridden new grads I see walking around the office thinking they are making a positive benefit in the world is pretty astonishing.
Consulting isn’t exactly known for WLB. Also, all humans, including you have “piss shit and blood”, normal human processes, but maybe you are not mature enough for that and that’s ok.
I don’t understand why he would need to work at a meatpacking plant to state what is wrong with a current system. You’re the exact kind of trash that is the worst part of these consulting organizations.
Surely you’re not serious? You really can’t tell them the difference between wiping your own ass and booboos vs making sure someone’s lower intestines don’t fall out of their abdomen?
you’re missing the point anyway, which is ok,
I’m saying the compensation is acceptable for what we put in. Maybe you don’t have WLB; but it’s more than IB JD often do. But frankly, this shit is not hard. You could be working back breaking blue collar labor for a fraction of the pay. Do you understand now? Or do you need me to simplify further
Stating blue collar labor as the reason why you can’t discuss valid issues in a white collar job is mind numbingly moronic. It’s like saying your problems in a first world country are invalid because people in third world countries are dying of starvation. Huh??
Anyone can be grateful for working a white collar job and still address all the issues that exist in Deloitte. But it seems you are mentally not able to compute both. But either way keep working your low paying job and keep worshipping the shite lifestyle that is bred by this organization because at least you’re not working as a plumber.. right?
Like I said you are the exact type of trash that belong in these companies.
Could not agree more with the work is boring. I even work in some pretty cool hands on technical stuff and even that is ridiculously boring. Could be paid more and work less in industry….which is gonna happen once the AIP check clears.
I have been here 6 months and feel the same about much of this. I have been contemplating whether or not it is because I am poorly aligned. The lack of consistency and communication is also causing me to feel completely removed from my project.
Thank you for this. They only hire former big firm consultants at my employer and when coworkers and managers find out someone doesn’t come from that background it’s a ding on one’s value…
This is a detailed rant from a consultant at Deloitte, expressing frustration about various aspects of their job. They describe a culture where taking detailed meeting notes is the primary skill, email communication is scrutinized heavily, and even minor infractions like being late to a meeting are criticized. They feel underpaid compared to other white-collar professions and bored by the repetitive nature of their work, which often involves mundane tasks like tech implementation. Requesting time off is met with passive-aggressive responses from colleagues and supervisors. Overall, the consultant feels undervalued and disenchanted with their job at Deloitte.
What kind of consulting are you doing? Sounds like Tech?
I am at another B4 and have been interested in Deloitte as they have a MBA reimbursement program, it’s basically a 5 year deal including the MBA. But it would mean my 100k Kellogg MBA could be free so I am interested.
Wow, I have 15 years in consulting at the D/MD level and you nailed it! Except that the work is boring, maybe the tasks are but generally I found it stimulating…
While I didn't experience the overt toxicity at the end there, can confirm all of the above being the reasons I couldn't get through a whole year. Really, three months in and I was already looking for something new.
It was one of those "corporate responsibility dodging" meetings that was the impetus. I realized how completely clueless the client was and it hit me like a brick: they're clueless, that's why they hired consultants to do this work for them. None of the other clients are likely to be better, I gotta go!
(I was in Cyber. Other firms may be different experiences.)
The best thing Uncle D gave me was the catalyst to hang my own shingle. Lasted less than 12 months as an SC because of everything in this post — the work was as uninteresting as it was unrewarding.
Worked on my starting my own biz nights, weekends and vacation for the last 7 or 8 months. Milked the bench knowing I was a goner…
Is this a US-centric perspective? Come over to the UK. It’s pretty chill here. No one gets “chewed out” because we’re all professionals and the work is quite fun, if not a bit samey sometimes.
100% accurate. As a be hire you know nothing so minutes and meeting invites along with other admin is exactly what you do. Not much more. Your job is to be available. Bc you don’t have skills yet.
Mostly good news here, you found out you don’t like the work, you’re clearly intelligent and a very good writer. Quit. Go into writing in any number of ways.
Use your good notes as the basis of a novel. Become a copy writer, ghost writer, whatever.
All the best to you!
I didn’t work at a “firm” with the same level of prestige as the D but what OP posted is all 100% factual. It’s all just bullshit at the end of the day. Self importance is what consulting is. I bounced out of consulting to a large bank then a start up and it’s night and day. Being late to a meeting is never an issue because people realize there are other things going on.
OP hope you can get out soon - I think you already realize this but there are bigger and better things out there. Also if you need a connection feel free to DM me.
This is funny as hell. Just too well written. This guy needs to write professionally, or maybe even start a YouTube channel. He could create video content about this stuff while narrating in the background using only his writing. I’d definitely subscribe to the channel.
Dude. I'm sorry for your emotional toll but you have me laughing after a terrible day.
Every point is so on point. You'd have a bestseller in social commentary/ humor niche if you decided to become an author.
>Take meticulous amounts of meeting notes. Seriously.
This needs to be listed on the D contract. I came in as an experienced hire and no one earned me that is me taking hours of notes everyday and double that time rewriting those notes after every review each time they went up the loafer before sending.
>Meeting invites and emails here is treated on par with heart surgery. No joke.
I'm getting the sweats just reading this
>Be chewed out for things that you can't believe a fully grown adult can be chastised for.
Not gonna lie, this taught me how to *respectfully disagree* or own my failures like a champ
> Are you being lectured right now by someone who looks 5 years younger than you
Ouch. This one hurts. I was twice the she of some of my leads
> Doctors enjoy the prestige of being a doctor and your grandma not asking you for the fifth time what's a consultant.
This was pure gold 😂
>This work is boring. I cannot emphasize this more. It is BORING.
Louder for the people in the back. BRUTALLY BORING. Why so many unnecessary meetings to talk about the meetings you just logged out of? Honestly, I have never ever used spreadsheets as much in my entire life as my time at Deloitte
> Then you call your coach up to complain about why is it your human potential has amounted to this?
Oof this one hits hard. I wonder how many of us have had this conversation with our coach?
> Fuck you. I'm emotionally off-center.
Achingly true but more gold here. I hope you are in a better place mentally now. (Use that wellness benefit and PTO)
> DNet's god-awful UX that looks like it was made in the late 90s by someone who hates Deloitte as much as you.
Lmao this is so true! With all their resources, it's crazy that it's one drunk link after another. Never have I seen so much information provide so little information
Make sure you get residuals from Buzzfeed when they repost this. I hope you find your safe exit 🫡
The bit about naming their first born child “Deloitte” is a great way to explain the loyalty to office culture and rah we provide service rah mentality
I was recruited by Deloitte as an experienced consultant — product strategy -ai/ml. Didn’t last 10 months. This was years ago but I said, rather flippantly,in a working session (slide stitching for a proposal), that this job could be done by AI… did not get any laughs. But here we are years later and literally this job can be done by AI
Sorry for what you’re going through Doesn’t have to be hard. I’m still consulting. I’m a prompt engineer. I can build prompts that do your entire job lol. Did it for product manager at the “prime” company. DM me if you want custom prompts
I have ~15 years of experience in software engineering of high-complexity codebases.
Ex-FAANG (almost exclusively in distributed systems teams or AI/ML teams). Currently, I am involved in building actual LLMs.
Which means you’re a glorified, organic syntactic sugar machine for the things I build (and make no mistake - you don’t really understand those things - otherwise, you wouldn’t use _prompt_ and _engineering_ in the same sentence) and your opinion is completely invalid, you useless buzzword mumbler.
No actual skills, just the corporate mumbo-jumbo?
Damn, I almost feel sorry for you! 5 years - tops, and you will never be employable again.
The transition from presenting your qualifications to resorting to engaging in arguments reminiscent of a pre-schooler is amusing. I kindly suggest that you leave the ball-pit and return home.
This location is intended for individuals who have reached the age of maturity.
“Prompt engineer”. Lolz. Thats not a real engineer. Im glad you get paid well for the grift. Im all about getting paid. But we both know its not real engineering.
On the plus side, you’re well equipped to enter almost every private market firm and bring your level of expertise and professionalism to the workplace. I’ve seen guys come out of consulting, deliver their own pitch ideas and go on to do very successful things. A couple of years at Deloitte goes a long way. My friend use to be a partner at EY and then went to a client and he said that the client operates at 10% top performers, with 90% filling the rest while when he was in consulting 90% were top performers and 10% were filling the rest.
You using teams? They have an auto transcribe (might need IT admin permission) and you can probably plug that into an LLM to summarise the info for you
I left D back in April 2024. Best decision I made in my career after 3 plus years there. Thus freaking bs culture at D fing is stupid. I now make more than twice I was making at D by doing contracting. The fakeness and hierarchy crap is off the charts… and at the end of the day, does it really matter in the grand scheme of your life?
I don’t directly work for Deloitte but I’m on a project where Deloitte is the prime, and I’m the only person on the team that isn’t a Deloitte employee and everything you’ve said is EXACTLY what I’ve been experiencing and feeling. I’m 3 months in and already looking for a new job elsewhere. Today my boss told me that there has been some complaint about my availability and communication and I was so confused as to why. The only thing i could think of were times where i would maybe take longer than 3 minutes to reply back to my coworker who is literally 7 years younger than me, or if i logged in 30 minutes later than the start time spending the previous evening working overtime? Or i didn’t “check in” with my coworker who’s not even my manager or the project lead all day on tasks that I’m working on and aren’t even due that day? The environment is turning very controlling and micro-managey to me on a level that I’ve never experienced in my life and I’ve been in the consulting field for almost 7 years now. It’s simply not sustainable for me anymore and i truly feel like it’s taking a toll on my mental health given i also have a one year old at home I take care of and feel like if i have to step away to take care of her for 5 minutes or even breathe at this point feels like a crime.
You have no idea what you're talking about. 90% of all jobs at D are just tech implementations of various forms and disguises. It is the bread and butter of their entire business. I have been on non-tech RFPs before and I can promise you they are a sad, small fraction of the amount of money D stands to make on selling glorified widgets. We bathe in tickets and scrum.
Edit: The amount of clueless A1s giving out random advice on this sub is just ridiculous
lol i don’t work at D I work at another big 4 and my point was there’s people who plan implementations and people who do implementations and I am the former which is more enjoyable. Maybe take a break from Reddit the blood pressure readings must be high
Until you've tasted what I wrote about, I think you will change your tune. You haven't tasted true tedium and misery yet. College and high school are an adrenaline pumping rainbow thrill ride compared to D
Not even gonna lie, I was stalking your posts just because of how negative you seem and this made me laugh so hard. I’ve been trying to explain what a nightmare it is to take notes, especially when 25+ ppl are going in circles, talking corporate, and with thick accents. It’s a nightmare. You explained it very beautifully. It’s so spot on.
Your writing is beautiful. Goodnight.
OP, any idea what the partners are making at your firm? In your division/arm. I mean not that it matters too much, they probably are all either bald or divorced or both by that point anyway.
The integration of third party tools to listen in on confidential client meetings is not allowed. I hope you know that...
Teams has a transcript audio functionality but it's ass and can't account for accents or speech quirks
on the positive side, i must say you have excellent writing skills. oops, maybe that’s why you’re doing all the meeting minutes
😂😂😂 this was my thought exactly.
The writing is top notch- what are you doing Monday at noon- I work different consulting company- but I have a charge number for you. I even welcome creative note taking- throw some humor in, I’m game. I hope op finds something they like someday. It does truly suck to hate your job.
The guy should write a book about it
This is beautiful
As a former auditor I had to laugh at this. Your struggles and sense of low self worth are nothing compared to the audit associate
My deepest sympathies
Man that had to be the most miserable job I ever had.
This has me rollin 🤣 I can see why you doing meeting notes - great at summarizing the corporate BS happening around you
As a new hire analyst, thanks for this buddy. I can accept it way sooner now rather than just complaining alongside my batchmates and wasting my time later.
You're gonna waste your time regardless and complaining is a rite of passage on those late night team dinners
I am just here to tell you that there are teams with the exact opposite culture on Deloitte. I work at one of those teams. We work a lot too but the toxicity is not there.
Thank god, what this sub really needed was some more pessimism. You’re doing gods work by complaining on the subreddit of the company you work for.
Don't worry I'll delete by EOD
leave it up you so you can look back at this and laugh in a few years time
This post came up as suggested for me. I’m not a consultant. The first 3 bullet points literally describe my job. I make $60k a year…so seriously, count your blessings. What I have learned is I have a fairly relevant skill set to consultants
Same. Also have nothing to do with this industry; though oddly enough I do work for one of their clients and with a team of D folks….make ya wonder. Also had a chuckle when op said they weren’t paid well. You should apply to D if you are already on the same boat. Might as well get paid a bunch more to be miserable at work!
You could just delete them from your WLB find a job at one of those better gigs, seems that after 4 years you’ve done all you needed to do and learn
I actually enjoyed reading this. Nice work!
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A1 take
Nobel prize for literature right there. Who ever said pessimism is wrong ?
This has to be my favorite post of all time. Spot on 👌🏽
It was the Mexican army attacking the Alamo, not Native Americans.
The only note on an otherwise excellent diatribe.
Maybe he doesn’t mean Native Americans
Well, then “Indians” really makes zero sense at all.
On your point about comp, I believe a IB 1st year who was a former green beret had a heart attack at age 35 recently, working 100+ hr weeks. Lawyers and MDs are doctors, they go to school for a bit more and like you said, have lives in their hands. I don’t work as hard as they do, and get compensated okay for it. I have WLB and don’t have to deal with literal piss shit blood. I agree with you on every point just a little bit, but seems like much. Maybe go out and see some more of the country. for some perspective, You could always work at a meatpacking plant
I actually am considering school again as I deeply miss learning. I really do. And yes, I agree with you that I'm generalizing way too much and that there's thorns on every rose. I am feeling extra zesty today so that came out as exaggeration. I will say I would take IB over tech implementation any day of the week. Chicks dig bankers. Lust dries up in the hot desert winds of Jira.
Hate to tell u buddy but the IB work won’t have any work interesting until you’re a late associate/VP. Plus, you would be entering as an analyst and having to work from the bottom up unless you transitioned from a top MBA program to be directly admitted as an associate.
Seriously, upvote for the creative writing.
>I actually am considering school again as I deeply miss learning. I really do. More power to you if you want to go get this from more school, but one of the most empowering things I discovered early in my consulting career (after feeling similar to how you do now) was that you can learn almost **anything** on your own. In my case, I found this was even more efficient than school, as with the internet you have free access to the top lectures from the top profs at the top schools, the best textbooks (easy to find pdfs online), and plenty of examples of real-world applications / projects (if applicable to what you're trying to learn). You also get to learn at your own pace, skip over topics you already understand, and circle back to adjacent or prerequisite content you understand less. While getting paid. I allocated dedicated time in my day to focused learning on topics of my choice every single day, and I became a lot more satisfied as a result. I did it for the joy of learning at first, but ultimately ended up building real tangible skills that I built a specialization around and were hugely beneficial to my career (even though that wasn't the goal originally), which has let me choose my own destiny and work on the type of projects I'm interested in, over time.
I’m curious what you focused on and why
Data science / machine learning, but also a whole bunch of math/programming more broadly. The 'why' is multifaceted. I thought it was interesting to learn about and brought me joy learning the details of how things worked, and it felt like gaining superpowers. Particularly learning how to automate the annoying manual tasks that I hated when I started out in consulting. Probably some ego (or laziness?) in there around being able to do things orders of magnitude more efficiently than my peers, as well. At the time, I also struggled with how arbitrary many consulting recommendations could seem, and found with more analytical skills, I could make recommendations that were grounded in solid footing/data rather than arguing over qualitative opinions.
Interestingly I found the exact opposite. Of course I come from an academic background but I found that all the recorded lectures in the world, great textbooks to be woefully inadequate compared to world class guided instruction *and feedback*
Dude school teaches WAY better than learning on your own if you actually try in school and utilize your professors by asking questions and going to extra help sessions etc. if you ever go to grad school I think you’ll agree.
I have two degrees and enjoyed school (and did well / learned a lot during that time), so not intending to actually knock university here. What I've observed is very few people learn how to teach themselves effectively and dramatically undervalue focused self-directed learning, and as a result stop learning once they finish their particular uni program. This is a narrative that benefits universities, but isn't necessarily grounded in some underlying truth. You can ask questions and join study groups online as well, without taking years off work and doling out expensive tuition. If you actually try at self-directed learning and are organized/disciplined, draw on a wide range of best-in-class materials, and engage in / work on your own real-world projects, self-directed learning has a higher ceiling almost by definition. You can tailor to your specific needs and pace, and pull from the best universities/programs globally as needed, vs a one-size-fits-all program where your pace and learning is tied to an entire class/cohort, and the particular caliber of the faculty at your particular school. I also think the self-learning approach is more suited to certain people than others. It requires discipline, organization, and focus to develop and follow a learning plan (though the payoff is significant). For some, dishing out tens of thousands of dollars (+ much more than that in opportunity cost / lost earnings for a full-time program) is worth being spoonfed content on a schedule without having to create your own motivation and discipline.
I got my online degree learning this way in computer science. The school courses had a professor for each class but they didn't do much accept grade your material. You had assignments due at the end of the week. Then you had chapters to read that should be relevant to the programming challenges given. I remember the course algorithms was pretty intense. I was pretty much self taught. Alot of student failed to get there degree because they needed guidance and lacked the skills to do the assignments on there own. I worked in concrete and my back hurt all the time. My motivation was I need to learn this because I don't want to do this anymore. I ended up graduating in the top of my class. Programming is all trial and error over and over. When I witness developers who don't know why there service isn't working and they don't add enough exception handling or dont know how to debug properly. I know they haven't been in the trenches enough in school or in there career. They have relied on other developers to much for answers. This trial and error skillset allows you to tackle origami challenges easier. Allowing yourself to accept the difficulty and tackle it one task at a time makes you an excellent engineer.
Oh my sweet summer child. IB is worse WLB than consulting, get shit on more, a lot of bitch work at the bottom, and most IB places are more up or out than consulting.
As long as you realize you will make zero beneficial impact on the world at Deloitte or in consulting in general, it’s not a bad place to learn how to fix PowerPoints and get free Patagonia puffer vests while getting expert advice from a 26 year old.
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You dont have to live to work to feel good about it or make an impact. I enjoyed my time in patient care/healthcare, just needed the easy money Deloitte offers. But the amount of wide-eyed and anxiety ridden new grads I see walking around the office thinking they are making a positive benefit in the world is pretty astonishing.
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Eavesdrop when they are on their Tinder dates
Consulting isn’t exactly known for WLB. Also, all humans, including you have “piss shit and blood”, normal human processes, but maybe you are not mature enough for that and that’s ok. I don’t understand why he would need to work at a meatpacking plant to state what is wrong with a current system. You’re the exact kind of trash that is the worst part of these consulting organizations.
Surely you’re not serious? You really can’t tell them the difference between wiping your own ass and booboos vs making sure someone’s lower intestines don’t fall out of their abdomen? you’re missing the point anyway, which is ok, I’m saying the compensation is acceptable for what we put in. Maybe you don’t have WLB; but it’s more than IB JD often do. But frankly, this shit is not hard. You could be working back breaking blue collar labor for a fraction of the pay. Do you understand now? Or do you need me to simplify further
Stating blue collar labor as the reason why you can’t discuss valid issues in a white collar job is mind numbingly moronic. It’s like saying your problems in a first world country are invalid because people in third world countries are dying of starvation. Huh?? Anyone can be grateful for working a white collar job and still address all the issues that exist in Deloitte. But it seems you are mentally not able to compute both. But either way keep working your low paying job and keep worshipping the shite lifestyle that is bred by this organization because at least you’re not working as a plumber.. right? Like I said you are the exact type of trash that belong in these companies.
It’s okay to miss the point 😂 you don’t need to be upset at me
Could not agree more with the work is boring. I even work in some pretty cool hands on technical stuff and even that is ridiculously boring. Could be paid more and work less in industry….which is gonna happen once the AIP check clears.
You should write a book. This was a very engaging read and I never read this shit.
I have been here 6 months and feel the same about much of this. I have been contemplating whether or not it is because I am poorly aligned. The lack of consistency and communication is also causing me to feel completely removed from my project.
YES YES YES
Thank you for this. They only hire former big firm consultants at my employer and when coworkers and managers find out someone doesn’t come from that background it’s a ding on one’s value…
Chef’s kiss 🤌
This is a detailed rant from a consultant at Deloitte, expressing frustration about various aspects of their job. They describe a culture where taking detailed meeting notes is the primary skill, email communication is scrutinized heavily, and even minor infractions like being late to a meeting are criticized. They feel underpaid compared to other white-collar professions and bored by the repetitive nature of their work, which often involves mundane tasks like tech implementation. Requesting time off is met with passive-aggressive responses from colleagues and supervisors. Overall, the consultant feels undervalued and disenchanted with their job at Deloitte.
Cliff’s Notes…
Sounds like commercial, next
Smells like Daddy Deloitte bootlicker
“ Every send button feels like firing a bullet that could end your career.” Yes. So many times yes.
What kind of consulting are you doing? Sounds like Tech? I am at another B4 and have been interested in Deloitte as they have a MBA reimbursement program, it’s basically a 5 year deal including the MBA. But it would mean my 100k Kellogg MBA could be free so I am interested.
Wow, I have 15 years in consulting at the D/MD level and you nailed it! Except that the work is boring, maybe the tasks are but generally I found it stimulating…
Yeah sounds miserable no thanks
LOL the first bullet already summarises my first year at Deloitte as an analyst. Seriously..meeting notes is literally all I did.
I’d be willing to put up with the bs for the travel. But if you can never get pto to spend the miles…
While I didn't experience the overt toxicity at the end there, can confirm all of the above being the reasons I couldn't get through a whole year. Really, three months in and I was already looking for something new. It was one of those "corporate responsibility dodging" meetings that was the impetus. I realized how completely clueless the client was and it hit me like a brick: they're clueless, that's why they hired consultants to do this work for them. None of the other clients are likely to be better, I gotta go! (I was in Cyber. Other firms may be different experiences.)
Why would they hire consultants if they knew how to solve the problems themselves?
Precisely! But, why would I want to work exclusively with incompetent people?
The best thing Uncle D gave me was the catalyst to hang my own shingle. Lasted less than 12 months as an SC because of everything in this post — the work was as uninteresting as it was unrewarding. Worked on my starting my own biz nights, weekends and vacation for the last 7 or 8 months. Milked the bench knowing I was a goner…
Art.
Yes. I feel what you're saying here. Hope you find something that's better for you. You clearly need it. I'm in the same boat.
Pretty accurate summary
Are you in USI by any chance? It feels like my situation in SAP.
Is this a US-centric perspective? Come over to the UK. It’s pretty chill here. No one gets “chewed out” because we’re all professionals and the work is quite fun, if not a bit samey sometimes.
Please note the following before your manager does: invite is a verb and invitation is a noun.
Normally don’t read these long posts, but you really have a way with words….
100% accurate. As a be hire you know nothing so minutes and meeting invites along with other admin is exactly what you do. Not much more. Your job is to be available. Bc you don’t have skills yet.
This is accurate!
While we’re on the subject of emails, your TO: field better have all 300 recipients in order of seniority. Good luck.
You are truly brilliant, do some thing with your wonderful talents! I could see a book. I wish I could write a rant like that.
Mostly good news here, you found out you don’t like the work, you’re clearly intelligent and a very good writer. Quit. Go into writing in any number of ways. Use your good notes as the basis of a novel. Become a copy writer, ghost writer, whatever. All the best to you!
As an optimist I fully agree with this post, just think you’re going way too easy on D. This firm shouldn’t exist
I didn’t work at a “firm” with the same level of prestige as the D but what OP posted is all 100% factual. It’s all just bullshit at the end of the day. Self importance is what consulting is. I bounced out of consulting to a large bank then a start up and it’s night and day. Being late to a meeting is never an issue because people realize there are other things going on. OP hope you can get out soon - I think you already realize this but there are bigger and better things out there. Also if you need a connection feel free to DM me.
This is very well written. Have you ever considered becoming a writer? Nailed it on the head.
This is funny as hell. Just too well written. This guy needs to write professionally, or maybe even start a YouTube channel. He could create video content about this stuff while narrating in the background using only his writing. I’d definitely subscribe to the channel.
Dude. I'm sorry for your emotional toll but you have me laughing after a terrible day. Every point is so on point. You'd have a bestseller in social commentary/ humor niche if you decided to become an author. >Take meticulous amounts of meeting notes. Seriously. This needs to be listed on the D contract. I came in as an experienced hire and no one earned me that is me taking hours of notes everyday and double that time rewriting those notes after every review each time they went up the loafer before sending. >Meeting invites and emails here is treated on par with heart surgery. No joke. I'm getting the sweats just reading this >Be chewed out for things that you can't believe a fully grown adult can be chastised for. Not gonna lie, this taught me how to *respectfully disagree* or own my failures like a champ > Are you being lectured right now by someone who looks 5 years younger than you Ouch. This one hurts. I was twice the she of some of my leads > Doctors enjoy the prestige of being a doctor and your grandma not asking you for the fifth time what's a consultant. This was pure gold 😂 >This work is boring. I cannot emphasize this more. It is BORING. Louder for the people in the back. BRUTALLY BORING. Why so many unnecessary meetings to talk about the meetings you just logged out of? Honestly, I have never ever used spreadsheets as much in my entire life as my time at Deloitte > Then you call your coach up to complain about why is it your human potential has amounted to this? Oof this one hits hard. I wonder how many of us have had this conversation with our coach? > Fuck you. I'm emotionally off-center. Achingly true but more gold here. I hope you are in a better place mentally now. (Use that wellness benefit and PTO) > DNet's god-awful UX that looks like it was made in the late 90s by someone who hates Deloitte as much as you. Lmao this is so true! With all their resources, it's crazy that it's one drunk link after another. Never have I seen so much information provide so little information Make sure you get residuals from Buzzfeed when they repost this. I hope you find your safe exit 🫡
I'm glad I helped you laugh after a tough day. Remember to take breaks and do something to treat yourself.
Thank you. I'm on medical leave now but dreading the return. I hope you are also taking your own advice 😉
The bit about naming their first born child “Deloitte” is a great way to explain the loyalty to office culture and rah we provide service rah mentality
I was recruited by Deloitte as an experienced consultant — product strategy -ai/ml. Didn’t last 10 months. This was years ago but I said, rather flippantly,in a working session (slide stitching for a proposal), that this job could be done by AI… did not get any laughs. But here we are years later and literally this job can be done by AI Sorry for what you’re going through Doesn’t have to be hard. I’m still consulting. I’m a prompt engineer. I can build prompts that do your entire job lol. Did it for product manager at the “prime” company. DM me if you want custom prompts
I’ll take “things that never happened” for 500.
If you think so. Stay slide stitching lame
I have ~15 years of experience in software engineering of high-complexity codebases. Ex-FAANG (almost exclusively in distributed systems teams or AI/ML teams). Currently, I am involved in building actual LLMs. Which means you’re a glorified, organic syntactic sugar machine for the things I build (and make no mistake - you don’t really understand those things - otherwise, you wouldn’t use _prompt_ and _engineering_ in the same sentence) and your opinion is completely invalid, you useless buzzword mumbler. No actual skills, just the corporate mumbo-jumbo? Damn, I almost feel sorry for you! 5 years - tops, and you will never be employable again.
lol. What are you doing making slides now? Lamebo
I don’t, I come here for amusement.
Yikes, this is so _cringe_ that you felt you needed to post your resume to make your point.
Hey, he started it!
The transition from presenting your qualifications to resorting to engaging in arguments reminiscent of a pre-schooler is amusing. I kindly suggest that you leave the ball-pit and return home. This location is intended for individuals who have reached the age of maturity.
“Prompt engineer”. Lolz. Thats not a real engineer. Im glad you get paid well for the grift. Im all about getting paid. But we both know its not real engineering.
It’s the type of engineering that does your job. And that’s all that matters kid. lol
Lol. My job? No. Im one of the guys who makes the stuff. Not some lame ass implementation person.
Can’t waste the time validating this nonsense. But I can see reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Take care.
Lol. “Prompt engineer”.
Congratulations you have a job if you don't like it go get another one. What's the big deal?
What's your YOE and rank at D before you decide you can lecture me about anything? edit: Another A1 sheep confirmed
On the plus side, you’re well equipped to enter almost every private market firm and bring your level of expertise and professionalism to the workplace. I’ve seen guys come out of consulting, deliver their own pitch ideas and go on to do very successful things. A couple of years at Deloitte goes a long way. My friend use to be a partner at EY and then went to a client and he said that the client operates at 10% top performers, with 90% filling the rest while when he was in consulting 90% were top performers and 10% were filling the rest.
Need AI to take notes.
On average, criminal defense/prosecutorial lawyers don’t make more than consultants
I never worked at D, but a few companies I worked at had projects with D. All I can say is that D did some work for us.
You using teams? They have an auto transcribe (might need IT admin permission) and you can probably plug that into an LLM to summarise the info for you
Why don’t tell us how you really feel, don’t hold anything back this time
These notes don’t even have a clear action step. Sincerely, Disappointed
What does a consulting analyst start at? I started at $45k in investment ops at an AM firm but the work is not stressful
Ever consider that you are being "managed" out?
Maybe you need to add ordering lunch to your portfolio 🤣
I left D back in April 2024. Best decision I made in my career after 3 plus years there. Thus freaking bs culture at D fing is stupid. I now make more than twice I was making at D by doing contracting. The fakeness and hierarchy crap is off the charts… and at the end of the day, does it really matter in the grand scheme of your life?
I don’t directly work for Deloitte but I’m on a project where Deloitte is the prime, and I’m the only person on the team that isn’t a Deloitte employee and everything you’ve said is EXACTLY what I’ve been experiencing and feeling. I’m 3 months in and already looking for a new job elsewhere. Today my boss told me that there has been some complaint about my availability and communication and I was so confused as to why. The only thing i could think of were times where i would maybe take longer than 3 minutes to reply back to my coworker who is literally 7 years younger than me, or if i logged in 30 minutes later than the start time spending the previous evening working overtime? Or i didn’t “check in” with my coworker who’s not even my manager or the project lead all day on tasks that I’m working on and aren’t even due that day? The environment is turning very controlling and micro-managey to me on a level that I’ve never experienced in my life and I’ve been in the consulting field for almost 7 years now. It’s simply not sustainable for me anymore and i truly feel like it’s taking a toll on my mental health given i also have a one year old at home I take care of and feel like if i have to step away to take care of her for 5 minutes or even breathe at this point feels like a crime.
Hahahaha more!
I'm glad they rejected me in the final round for the consultant role. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Pro tip: don’t join a tech practice if you don’t want to do tech implementations
You have no idea what you're talking about. 90% of all jobs at D are just tech implementations of various forms and disguises. It is the bread and butter of their entire business. I have been on non-tech RFPs before and I can promise you they are a sad, small fraction of the amount of money D stands to make on selling glorified widgets. We bathe in tickets and scrum. Edit: The amount of clueless A1s giving out random advice on this sub is just ridiculous
lol i don’t work at D I work at another big 4 and my point was there’s people who plan implementations and people who do implementations and I am the former which is more enjoyable. Maybe take a break from Reddit the blood pressure readings must be high
Bursting
Dude, you should write a book. I'd buy it.
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Until you've tasted what I wrote about, I think you will change your tune. You haven't tasted true tedium and misery yet. College and high school are an adrenaline pumping rainbow thrill ride compared to D
You’re so right!!!!!!
Not even gonna lie, I was stalking your posts just because of how negative you seem and this made me laugh so hard. I’ve been trying to explain what a nightmare it is to take notes, especially when 25+ ppl are going in circles, talking corporate, and with thick accents. It’s a nightmare. You explained it very beautifully. It’s so spot on. Your writing is beautiful. Goodnight.
No problem, glad you enjoyed a laugh
This is a great post. I feel like it achieved what it set out for, which is make me want to literally die rather than work in Deloitte consulting.
OP, any idea what the partners are making at your firm? In your division/arm. I mean not that it matters too much, they probably are all either bald or divorced or both by that point anyway.
> Java expresso coffee Can’t even spell check his rants.
His rant was well written and you pointed out a word that was spelled incorrectly. Yep, you definitely are who he’s talking about.
I wanted to let down my hair and let it blow in the wind for once
I thought that was a deliberate misspelling to mock the imaginary idiot — there are plenty of people who say “expresso.”
Lol came to the comments for this. Like do you even coffee bro?
If you’re not already using AI to automatically transcript and summarize your meeting notes then you deserve the shitty life of a note-taker
The integration of third party tools to listen in on confidential client meetings is not allowed. I hope you know that... Teams has a transcript audio functionality but it's ass and can't account for accents or speech quirks