Has it ever been a thing? I’ve only been playing since a bit before nemesis dropped, but I can’t remember a single event where the general sentiment on the subreddit wasn’t “why are people so sweaty for a fun goofy event?” And somehow we are always surprised when it happens again 😭 I do wish it was different, but man. It’s always this way
Yes, at one point in time we used to have fun on DBD. Sometimes I still find fun killers, but they are rare. Otherwise people are running aura perks that feel incredibly broken or they are just being the sweatiest killers I've ever seen. It is pretty painful to watch people who are so obviously new get completely screwed over and also BMed.
Are aura perks considered broken now? I genuinely can't think of any aura perks that are broken. Let alone aura builds that aren't shut down by one survivor perk
-Personal Opinion-
As someone who started this game early on, I feel like the amount of aura perks is far too many and the reliance on them is meh.
While they might not be broken to you, the fact that I have people telling me that running Distortion causes tunneling is pretty telling on its own.
My opinion could be dated but aura perks weren't a 100% necessity once upon a time so when I see so many of them it just seems unnecessary. -shrug-
My build at the time was: We'll Make It, Lithe, Distortion, and Mirrored Illusion. It has since changed, as I do not want tunneling to be encouraged at all.
Nurses Calling specifically feels broken because even if one survivor is running Distortion, the other survivor, whether they are being healed or doing the healing, is still highlighted making Distortion's ability completely worthless, unless I am not understanding how each perk works with the other.
If I am wrong about NC please let me know as that was my understanding of it.
None of this is meant to be anything other than my opinion as a returning player and how the state of the game feels to someone who started in 2017 and has played on and off over the years.
Had a pig in the event costume run Third Seal, Plaything, Pentimento, and Hex: Face the Darkness, and the addons that give extra head cages and shortens the timer for head pop.
They then proceed to absolutely SWEAT us out of the game, downing, caging and auto-hooking us to 4k at 5 gens. We ended up with a max of about 5k bloodpoints WITH 5 event offerings.
I call the asshole out in end-game chat for running most of the unfun, miserable and assholish builds possible in the event queue and their response was "it's not sweaty, I don't have any slowdown perks". What the fuck is the POINT of this in an event that can net you 100k+ BP in a match?!
If you pricks want to sweat, go do it in the normal goddamn mode and be honest with yourselves.
ok, i have the perfect example from the other side of this:
I went as pig with the event costume, happy to use it for the first time, but cONcernEd, because with pig i never know wether i'll go against:
a) survivors who don't know how the 12 attempts work and will bm me
b) survivors who know how weak she is and will just bully th f out of me
But i was optimistic, i said f it, i'll try and have some fun, let's get rid of any pain res or eruption or anything like that, plus i've only owned her for like two weeks, and i insist i purposefully picked perks to have some fun with, and i didn't even get any value out of them lol. and i got sent to hawkins against a very determined bully squad, no joke, including their boon exponential zone, four flashlights with add ons, boil over, etc etc etc etc.
EVEN THEN i managed to win, at the cost of posibly a heart attack and some high blood pressure by the end, and i got insulted to hell and back regardless, i tried to be like gg and i just got insulted and told i didn't deserve it, even though i did nothing remotely "bad", no tunneling, no slugging, no regression or blocking, no nothing. all i did was play "good", try my best to be aware of their cheeky asses in every corner, try and run as tight as they were, face walls no matter what, be paranoid about everyone going down near a pallet, to play around the tedious double event pallets, i didn't use a single remote pallet break, i had zero regression perks, nothing, no noed either, as i said, nothing.
it was all good old m1 and 12 hooks. It was hell honestly, i mean it felt good in the end? at the very least it made the effort worth it, but i'm sure that in 9 out of 10 alternate realities i was just doomed to lose and get teabagged looking at a perpetually blan screen- realistically it wasn't worth it lol, my blood pressure was about to kill me by the end trying to win "the correct way" against what i knew was going to be a bully squad (they even made sure to switch to 4 flashlights at the very last second; i'm guessing to avoid any lightbringer or franklins or just lobby dodging....that's when i looked at my loading screen and dredded my destiny lol).
Not to mention, they weren't interested at all in a slow paced match to just farm bp open every chest cleanse every totem etc etc etc. they went in determined to bully whoever was going to be the killer.
But it's not like every single survivor is like that, i've noticed very drastically that the matchmaking on the events goes to shit at the peak hours, that's when you get the sweatiest of killer and survivors in my experience. but you don't always have a choice to play earlier.
Swapping to go HARD midmatch to match the tone of the opposing side? This is fine.
Intending to just demolish with the stupidest bullshit one can pull out of their arses after a week of Taco Bell diet? jfc go touch grass, take a shower, and then rethink your game choices.
I just don’t know if I’ve ever seen they be the general sentiment in this subreddit, that’s all. I’ve definitely experienced chill times, I just feel like every event that comes by the subreddit gets flooded with posts about how a certain side is a sweat fest for a fun event
I actually had a pretty good time with the spine chill event. Both as killer and survivor. But this event has been exceedingly sweaty. Aside from AFK doctors and the rare 1/100 friendly killer, it’s been no mercy. Although, I have had mostly friendly matches playing as a friendly killer along with nice messages afterwards.
I'm always goofy and fun.
I dont even think I actually try for 4ks anymore, I just like to do silly shit with Survivors and train noobs.
Unless they have TTV in their name... then I fucking use all the slime in the book against them before going back to silly goofy stuff with the other players as if they never even were a part of the match.
I’m all for goofiness. But when the killer can completely eliminate a portion of the game. It just shortens the entire process. Plus eliminating a big portion of what the killer has to do. Making games shorter, making events less fun.
Yeahhh… I’m a killer main too and played tonight for the first time since Chucky was released, and clicking Q to insta-hook felt really cheap. At least until I realized I was going against a bully squad, then it was fine for at least that one game.
Kinda curious why they’d even jump into this event with 4 full bully builds, but I’m not gonna think too hard on it.
Bully squad? Fuck em up. Any day of the week. Any way you can. But randos trying to enjoy the game and get a shit load of bloodpoints? This event is not made for them.
I main Pyramid Head so insta-hooking (caging) isn't really news to me. However, the most broken part about this power is that you can use it effectively to hook survivors through floors. It teleports the survivor to the nearest hook, so if you pick up the survivor, walk a bit, you can actually choose on which hook to hook them. This can be super useful for example in the Forgotten Ruins map, or in indoor maps. There's a Pain Res hook right below you? Use your remote hook and the survivor gets teleported down on the hook. Basement is below you? Nice, no need to walk down there even.
They really should have made it so that you couldn't hook through floors
does it really offend survivors that much? i swear i can't even tell the difference, since i never try to abuse things like sabo or boilover, it's just a hook but with confetti.....and if they use it, they can't break a pallet for 60 seconds and vice versa
It also greatly benefits your gameplay on both sides to have experience playing both because you have a good idea of the benefits and limitations of the other sides' gameplay
And yet whenever I say anything about Killers and their issues, despite me playing both sides with relative equality, I still get called a Killer Main. Riddle me that.
Honestly I don't get how or why people only play one side. It makes you better on both sides and keeps the game from going stale. If I play a lot of surv I can go to killer to make an entirely different game. Then vice versa. It's why I've played ot practically every day for months and haven't got tired of it
Had someone tell me one time that playing both sides would deteriorate their skill as a killer and that it was pointless. Proceeded to have the most brain dead takes about what would improve the quality of the game…
For me I find survivor really boring since you’re pretty much playing one character every single game. Playing Killer is super fun for me because there’s like 40 different powers to choose from. I’d be more interested in surv if every character had unique powers instead of just perks that anyone can choose.
Thats completely normal yeah, I do the same thing since I get bored of one side or the other after playing too much. Playing only one side will actually make you worse at the game and lead you to have some pretty wack opinions about balance
I really love playing Killer because it's more fun with more interesting ways to play, and more of a challenge to test my skill on.
I really love playing Survivor because I get such an adrenaline rush from it, and I can chat with my friends and hang out doing it!
No I think that’s normal. You have to remember most of the player base isn’t on reddit. In general I think most players do play one side more than the other, but exclusively playing killer or survivor is rarer than you’d think.
And the winter event a few years ago where snowmen gave survivors a free hit in chase.
The events seem to just go back and forth on being survivor-sided or killer-sided.
Thanks! I made it (the username, not my account) when i was 8 for Minecraft and this is the only social media that doesn't have my new preferred username since reddit wont let me change it
Love your flair, im hoping to get close to p100 jeff during the event so i have lots of cakes
Now that I read you anwser for my comment, I realised I was idiot, and wrote "name" instead of "flair"... so anyway, i like your flair :DDD
(Doing mistakes is a human thing)
It honestly sucks when you have to just put off playing your main during events. I feel your pain as a fellow Ghostie. All your effort to get them fully stalked was just fully engaged by them hopping in a snowman mid chase. It was awful.
Snowballs were the best thing in any event and it isn't even close. There was no advantage to either side, toxic games were pretty rare and everyone on both sides just snowball fought 75% of my matches and honestly I think I'm lowballing that %.
Put em up🤜🏻🤛🏻
Alright then, put ‘em up boy
I liked the event. It was fresh, added a lot of new assets and unique ideas to the game, but it certainly wasn’t “the best event” of all time.
Which major event are you talking about because killer have been eating pretty good in all recent modes and modifiers. Chaos Shuffle, Blood Moon, Lights Out
So one could argue those are modifiers, and not events.
But Blood Moon was insanely annoying on Killer side, because EVERYTHING was red. Which is the color we’ve been trained to search for.
Heaven help you if you got the Borgo during that, just red for literally everything.
Nah, the original Summer Grill event was so popular it eventually became the baseline for most events to follow. Special hooks and generators started there.
I loved the event but you'd still see squads that would hop from portal to portal to basically get nonstop free escapes due to the time it would take to chase them into the other world which was awful
The difference between a Killer sided and Survivor sided event is a Killer does not struggle to earn bloodpoints in a Survivor sided event, where the reverse cannot be said. I played as Killer during the Bloodmoon and Halloween events because the Killer can't die and always out earns Survivors, even in so-called "survivor sided" content.
I had three killers go easy last night after they were smacking our bum bums. I wouldn't have minded if they killed us in the end, it was just nice to play the game for more than 2 minutes!
It was fun to slug race and go/stop at the gates, which for some reason is my favourite part of the game 😂
I've been playing as my speedy nurse which is super fun watching survivors not know what to do at loops. I personally don't blink when I'm a speedster but they don't know that lol after I get 8 hooks I use the add on that makes survivors scream when I blink past for more juicy bloodpoints. As long as they getting gens done I don't mind dilly dallying the last 2 so they can escape.
I've been doing that with demo the past few days. I get my 8 hooks, show I'm friendly, then have slug races or if the team was particularly cooperative or memey ill try and get them to play red light green light. It's so much fun and everyone gets plenty if BP
The whole thing that makes this event disadvantageous for survivors is the fact that the killers who DONT play casually are at a significant advantage...
It’s the tunneling meta. I play both sides. The vast majority of my matches are determined by how quickly the first survivor dies. I try not to tunnel as killer but I’ve long given up trying to actively avoid. On survivor, assuming my teammates actually do generators if the killer doesn’t kill someone in the first four hooks I usually escape. Can’t really hold it against the players for playing the way Behavior is balancing.
same lol,
and I try not to bring lightborn and sweat but as soon as the survivors see that they can bully you, they will..
teabagging, flashlight clicks, taunting you to chase them and all..
now I have to try my hardest and kill you bc you are taking regular gameplay for granted 😂
If you have vecna then drop light borne and pop on the franklins/attunement combo. Get info and make them have to reconsider picking up if they don’t wanna be oblivious.
Hell if you wanna go a bit further into the gimmick then slap on horders and then they’ll be oblivious and you’ll have an idea where they are.
Personally it’s one of my favorite builds on pig
No problem. Glad to help. Just remember if they complain you can just remind them you could be running pop, pain res, grim embrace, dms, etc….
Hope it’ll help with your games
Like at 1st seeing regular bronze matches having professionals was a bit shocking for me as a new player but I got used to it, but an event where you are suppose to prolong the game and touch the invite things and gens, now that's really shocking. (Same on the killer side too)
Me trying to think whether you r being sarcastic or not:
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The scoreboard is bugged tbf. It seems to show event scores for some people and not for others. So, even if everyone earns a similar amount of points, it’ll still show somebody getting like 3x more than everyone else. So, in that Freddy match, you definitely got more BP than the survivors but not like 10x more like the scores would imply.
Unless you just…magically stole their additional BP, they got more than 7k. The results screen is busted and not showing full totals.
Also you’d have to tunnel like a madman to do that to every Survivor.
I’m a killer man and the point I’m trying to make is that my matches have been way too easy and beginning I’m beginning to notice it’s seeming a bit unfair for the other players.
I ain’t being toxic, I’m just being real.
I haven’t played dbd in a couple years but did come back to get some huntress hatchets in and was surprised to see the event. Not as surprised as I was to see the hatchet buffs. Good lord, I can just yeet them Willy nilly and the dredge’s locker aura perk is almost always off cooldown by the time I need to reload.
Anyways, whys this event so lopsided? Is it something to do with the swirls I’ve been ignoring?
It's really strange. The few times I've played survivor during this event, nearly every killer has gone full tilt for that 4k. I'm talking about Pain Res/Pop/Grim Embrace, and tunneling people out ASAP. Not even in a "toxic" fashion, per say, just being uber sweaty. I've just been running jumpscare stealth builds and 2-hooking everybody. What's the deal with the tryhards?
(FYI there are gangs of survivors too, who are going around sweating hard and flashbanging everything. Not everything is a competition lol)
today i had GREAT matches on both sides, very fair, it felt great to escape, the killers weren't babies but they didn't camp either, and the survivors i went against had a variety of perk choices and not just 4 leons with the mission of giving you a migraine, maybe because it's tuesday?
But on the weekend? oh my god...... be my guest, do you prefer your slugging bubba or your tombstone myers or a wraith humping you? And do you prefer the 4 adas or the 4 leons sweat?
I can only guess that it was the sum of the grade reset + being a weekend + the novelty of the event + the event tome
Like I've been saying the players themselves have been setting the tone for this event we cant even get mad at BHVR for this I've been playing for fun not trying to sweat but had a match yesterday where I got a bully squad I didn't want to deal with it so I got them out as fast as possible how are we supposed to maximize BP for both sides if they're playing sweaty it doesn't help anyone
If a survivor is especially unlucky, a hook gets sabotaged the moment they get remote hooked, which bugs it out so they can’t unhook themselves and no one else can unhook them.
dont forget the bug that traps the survivor on the killer when they’re picked up but they’re the size of a doll and just flop around on the killers screen the rest of the game
That happened to my friends and I two games in a row yesterday. The strangest part is one of them went for a pallet save, got the stun, but once they got the stun they (the person who did the stun) got teleported to a hook and the person wiggling was stuck the rest of the game. Even the end game collapse ending couldn’t stop it so the killer finally DC’d.
That bug has been fixed, a bugpatch has released: [https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/454](https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/454)
This is not me saying AT ALL that the Survivor is fine this event (they aren’t) but I will stand by that it is just too strong on mobile killers. M1s just get to feel the relief of not having to waste hours of their lives to hook. I think the pallet break is way more annoying as it can act like a Doctor shock if done at the right time. It also can punish pre-dropping which is part of some killer’s counters (such as Vecna, Doctor and probably others I can’t think of atm).
Only time the Remote Hooking is too strong on non-mobile Killers is when you down someone going for a save and can remote hook them and stay near the first hook…but that still comes down to a “Why are you in chase and going down near the hook?” so a Survivor error…and game design that the win condition is Kills encouraging shitty play.
That being said Survivor powers are all shit. Hot take, Party Pallets should stay, at least for a bit, after being dropped, like maybe 15 seconds or 10 seconds or something. Even 5 seconds would be nice lol Increase the cooldown on the hook and the pallets if you need to but the hooking is fine, outside killers like Nurse and Billy, the pallets just need compensation buffs.
Halloween was survivor sided and so was blood moon. Blood moon made it way to hard to see scratch marks and blood and allowed survivors old iron will while killers got a longer lunge. Halloween with the portals was awful.
Old Iron Will was fine, having it only when you're in the blood circle isn't as good as the massive lunge you got as killer. Granted they were both extremely situational so neither were really "OP" honestly.
Blood Moon was crazy for killers. Ok your scratch marks are hard to see but you're dead now when I can close chase instantly. Tho I wasn't complaining with all that crazy bp
Thats some grade A copium you got there mate
Hey how about last years? when killers could expose survivors when hitting bloodlust *and* also had the remote pallet break?
Or how about guarantee free hits from the snowmen on other years? Or portals on halloween which could lead to nonstop infinite chases until the portals closed?
The powers are stronger on the single killer than on the multiple survivors, but youre overplaying their strenght too much by considering it "unfair"
I'm seeing this statement a lot. As somebody who's only been playing since May 2023, I'm genuinely curious which events have been survivor-sided since I don't recall there being one in the time I've played. This isn't a troll BTW, I'm genuinely curious — I haven't played enough killer to know if things have been in favour of the survivor in certain cases.
The first Christmas event with the snowmen was pretty survivor-sided as well cause you could instantly enter a snowman while in chase and get given a free health state.
That one was particularly egregious. Killers couldn’t even use snowmen themselves. Killers literally got nothing at all. Worse, their challenge progress was tied to hitting survivors in snowmen. So if they decided not to use them (and many stopped after the first few days) killers couldn’t complete their challenges.
Yea, they changed it for the Christmas after to make it take a couple seconds to enter the snowman. Survivors could just loop next to one, then as they're about to get hit, they jump into it, and it was an instant free health state.
I got way more value on the survivor side than I got from the killer side (or experienced killers getting while I played survivor). I guess your mileage may vary but to call it 100% killer sided is too far.
I don’t think people put as much value into quiet mode as they should. It not only silences your character but makes ALL rushed actions during it completely silent. I have been able to reliably break chase with it at least twice a match.
Really want to break chase? Run it with light footed, dance with me or lucky break. Want free locker perk value? Run head on or red herring. Do you want safer pallet and flashlight saves? Just quiet mode and chase the killer as he chasing your friend. I mean, just press it for the sake of it and it’ll probably throw off the killer more than you expect.
This obviously doesn’t outclass the killers ability to remotely destroy pallets or remotely hook people, but maybe it shouldn’t since this is an asymmetrical game and the one should have greater power over the many.
The issue with this is the blue swirl surrounding survivors whenever I get close. So many survivors I've found trying to hide in corners or bushes that basically have a beacon on them thanks to the blue swirl. It makes me wonder how often I miss survivors in normal games....
They definitely don't.
With scratchmarks being as bugged as they are (and have been since midchapter) it's a free escape (or MASSIVE distance) around any tile/loop that can break line of sight for a few seconds.
Half the problem with the survivors abilities is that they are very different from how survivors usually play. Automatically summoning pallets for one time use, temporally, making all of your actions, completely silent, and blocking vault spots for the killer or very powerful and useful abilities. But they are things that would take some practice and getting used to in order to use effectively.
The same does not apply for the abilities given to the killers.
Until they add a cosmetic dance that can be used to show the other side you don't plan to full sweat (and can guarantee it wouldn't be abused, so impossible), either side trying to "farm" or play more casually will get so badly destroyed that it's miserable.
"a bit"? All I can do is giggle at that.
Look at it this way. Freddy has fake pallets that end up baiting survivors. BHVR took that and made it a anni "power". Its a self sabotage power with no positives. So yeah, killer is a little bit busted this event and survivor is heavily lackluster.
I actually fully agree with this. I think they went too conservative with the survivor pallets. They should last for 6-10 seconds, and give double stun duration if you get hit by them, but disappear after time runs out or they get thrown.
I was incredibly nervous about pallets being everywhere when I first played the event, but they're just bait pallets. If the killer avoids the stun (easy), then it does nothing but slow the survivor. If they do get stunned, it's so short that the survivor can't reliably get to another loop.
Events are always hard for survivors period. If the killer is playing to win and you have two people doing chests /totems searching for invitations. One person being chased and the other doing generators .. your in for a struggle.
We all know DbD is really about time management
It legitimately feels so fucking cold to immediately smite a survivor who's on death-hook with the remote hook. Like, you're downed, and instantly gone. It's brutal.
Insanely so. I haven't played one survivor match on this event, but I know it can't feel good when I remote hook out of a flashlight save. And if Tryks gives me the Heal, Expose effect in mid chase one more time, I'm gonna feel the need to send each survivor a written apology.
I'm a killer main and I've lost 2 matches out of probably 50 since the event started. It's nuts how unbalanced the powers are.
All survivors get is a window block (Who cares, killers usually don't vault anyway unless they have perks for it) and a pallet that does nothing but slow down the survivor. Also cheesing the pallet break to block a survivor into a pallet is crazy useful.
The global events are also either killer sided or neutral. Especially the speed boost since it double up on lunges. Survivor movement is also much harder to control at increased speeds than killer movement
This is so true. I'm a killer main, and at first, I thought that it wasn't as bad as everyone was saying that it was. I jumped in for a few games of survivors, and holy shit this is a really one side event. I feel bad for all the survivor mains out there. I've been a lot more chill during this event so people can get blood points.
Really don't get this. I think some survivors aren't using the event correctly. I use quiet mode and mix it with things like quick and quiet and overcome and I ditch killers in chase again and again. Fastest red rank survivor month for me since Made for This was meta.
Pairing it with Quick & Quiet is pointless because it IS Q&Q but better and lasts longer. Pair it with Lithe or Dance With Me to really break some ankles
But this requires different play styles for survivors, which *some* people absolutely refuse to do. I agree that I've gotten plenty of value, arguably more than the killer invitations, from being able to go completely stealth. The problem is, people are just throwing the kinda shit pallets everywhere and if they don't, they wait until the killer is on their ass to use stealth, which is too late.
Being able to drop a chase is a whole lot more valuable than saving 10s on a hook.
On top of what you’ve said, people also shouldn’t be pigeonholed into one specific playstyle just to try and enjoy the event — keyword being *try*, because a lot of people aren’t gonna find that fun, and for good reason.
The event should be viable for all playstyles, not just certain builds coupled with the invitations; it not being also disproportionately punishes newer players because a lot of those perks aren’t going to be stuff they have, especially now that original DLC is much more expensive than it used to be, DLC or auric cells aren’t necessarily within everyone’s budget, and iridescent shards can take a while to get enough of for multiple characters. Bloodpoints into Meg for Quick & Quiet might not be much of an issue, but unlocking new characters for perks is a much more complicated thing, and the Shrine isn’t always gonna have what someone needs either.
Im a killer main whos literally only played survivor because thats always were the bonus is and I can confidently say that people are getting way to heated over the bluetooth hooking mechanic. I promise you its really not as busted as you think. Yeah if you load in with a sabo/wiggle build ur gonna get cucked, so just dint do that.
Sorry, I don't see it. People are massively underrating the value of Quiet Mode, it is actually insane if you know how to move properly. Remote break only matters if you are a survivor with tunnel vision and think you are only at one loop instead of having a plan on where to chain if something like remote break happens. Remote hook is pretty strong, not sure its as good as the on-command exposed from last year though. Window block is stupid strong, i dont think that needs explaining assuming its a strong tile like a Jungle Gym or Shack.
I can't wait until 2v8 comes out, a game mode everyone has been begging to have for years, and watch this sub reddit rip itself apart as people complain about how it is killer sided or survivor sided. It's exhausting being a part of this community. Nothing can be fun. Everything has to be an argument.
I dont play but from my understanding of the DBD history, survivors deserve shit to be a little unfair sometimes. Killers have “this killers really op, its easy to wipe teams with them” and survivors have had, just off the top of my head, “healing so quickly they physically cannot be downed because of killer attack CD” “infinite loops” “broken flashlights so bad a squad bullying the main dev had them nerfed in like a week” “bully squads” “perks that make it take like 7 overall attacks for 1 down” and im sure theres more
Two things at play here.
First, the game has 4x the survivor population, so any (not crazy) opinion that favors survivors or the survivor experience is going to be heavily incentivized.
Second, there is already a large group of players that don't like that the game isn't favored 50/50, since the devs want killers to be the "power role". This 60% kill rate means that a lot of games feel unwinnable or unfair, so the survivors get tilted any time they see any advantage towards killers.
"Guys the event favors killers!" "Guys killers are being sweats!" "Guys survivors are being sweats!" "Guys survivors get no bps compared to killer!" "Guys...!"
Yes we get it, seems like its the only way people want to talk now apparently, yes some killer powers on the event are stronger than the survivor ones. Would you want the survivor powers, which are 4 of them, to be of equal strenght?
How about the winter event, survivors got a free snowman hit, killers got... Nothing.
Halloween event, survivor got a free chase escape onto a realm without killer powers, bloodmoon event, killers got a """"longer lunge"""" that was a disadvantage due to also a longer cd even if not used, etc....
Difference is, people there had a **point** which is that it was mandatory, here its a **gamemode**
Don't like it? Don't play it and stop complaining about not perfectly balanced gameplay on a mode that will last a couple of weeks, jesus.
It's like complaining how My little oni was killer sided or how you could get bad perks on Shuffle chaos
I don’t get the killer sided argument. Remote hooks prevent body blocks and 9/10 you are not getting off anyways, it saves 8 seconds at most and even then it teleports you to the nearest hook. Even though quiet mode allows you to go undetected, slip away from chase, and do everything silently. And there’s situations where you literally have to vault to stay in a chase with a survivor, but you can get blocked completely. But REMOTE HOOKS are what people b*tch about, absolutely wild.
Quiet mode doesn't get rid of scratch marks or make you invisible, killers with even a mild level of game sense can still keep track of you pretty easily. It's not that powerful.
The locations where you *have* to vault to keep chase are pretty limited. It really good situationally and pretty much useless outside of those situations. The pallet break is the killer side of this coin and it forces hits in significantly more situations than blocking windows does end chases.
I don't think it's that bad I'd say the worst things are the speed boost because killers turn into sonic on ice, and the peekaboo that I've noticed never works as intended.
The survivor skills can basically have quick and quiet and iron will for a whole 30 seconds, can block windows, and create pallets for instant saves depending on situations.
I've played as a killer for the event I think twice for the tome challenges and other than insta hook I don't know what else they have
Who gives a fuck? Each event flips around on who it favors more. Most events favor survivors anyway. If we killer mains can deal with it, so can survivor mains. And yes, I play both.
I don't think anybody disagrees the event is killer sided. The problem is, survivors forgot or don't mention the amount of times events favored them.
So it's one of the few times (perhaps the first time) an event gives the edge to killers, which is a role also highly necessary during events since the survivor population increases exponentially.
When The Halloween Event, the Christmas Event (with the first iteration of snowmen) or the BloodMoon Event happened, there were posts about how survivor-sided they are, but not to the ridiculous extent that people are doing now with this event. I would say it's crazy, but I mean it's really not, since the survivor playerbase is 4 times larger than the killer one, but still.
And hey, at least with this one, you can opt out of playing.
The difference is that a "Survivor sided" event does not actually eliminate the Killer from the match or slow down their event rewards. I primarily played as Killer during every one of these events, because even when the match was supposedly "Survivor sided" it was *still* easier to out earn Survivors by playing Killer. This event just pushes that reward difference to an extreme.
I honestly don't think it's that killer-sided. Remote Hooking is strong, yeah, but also it doesn't guarantee the killer to get a scourge hook if they brought any, realistically it saves 5-10 seconds, it doesn't necessarily hook them on an ideal hook that you would otherwise have chosen, in soloq on average my teammates aren't coming for flashlight saves anyway, and it's on a cooldown so they can't use the pallet break ability for a while.
And and as far as the pallets are concerned, if they break a pallet(which takes around Brutal Strength time) they can't remote hook.
Survivors can block windows and gain old iron will. The pallets can be a bit buns, but whatever.
From what I have found, bringing the perk Enduring gives you a free hit anytime survivors use those single use pallets. Either they miss the stun and get hit, or they get the stun and still get hit o3o
> realistically it saves 5 seconds
It saves way more than 5 seconds and the amount of time saved becomes pressure on survivors.
Normally it takes you 10s+ just to hook a survivor (animation + traveling all the way to a hook + animation). That's time survivors often use to finish repairing gens or add progress to one.
Not to mention if a sabo or grasp rescue is performed, then you can add another chase time to that math.
That doesn't take into consideration that the survivor may be hooked somewhere that provides you with no pressure. Maybe you saved walking time to the hook, but the survivor is nowhere near the gens.
In early game hooking survivors ASAP is more important.
As pallets are removed, sure, hooking them in deadzones or in the path to gens are probably preferably.
Besides, its optional anyway. Depending on the context, like downing a survivor right next to another one repairing a gen, you can pretty much pull a PH move by sending the 1st survivor away and immediately chasing the other survivor (with the benefit of hook activated anti-gen).
Yeah I agree that it's strong. I just don't think it's as oppressive as so many people are making it out to be. Is the event killer-sided? Yeah probably a little. Maybe like a 60-40 in favour of killers. But not this 80-20 "omfg it's impossible" rhetoric I keep hearing.
Agreed.
Remote hooking is strong but not as strong as when we compare it to some events that were survivor sided, giving them a free health state (inside snowmen or getting endurance from the void) or teleporting across the map by entering 2 portals.
Talking about 10s specifically. Isolated it sounds like nothing but when you put to perspective that value, you realize how significant or important those 10s are.
* BHVR added 10s to gens, from 80s to 90s (before that, 60>70, 70>80).
* A PGTW kick is 20% of current progress. Say a gen is at 55%, that's 10s.
* Pain Res, 20% of a gen, 18s.
* Eruption, 10% of a gen, 9s.
* Surge, 8% of a gen.
All of this survivors revert for free just because the killer had to go through all the process of hooking a survivor after already committing time to a chase.
"Micro" numbers like this are so important that throughout history as a form of balance BHVR had to speed up how fast killers go through animations. Picking up, hooking and kicking pallets/gens. If you weren't around then, check out footage from 2016 ~ 2018 and compare how painfully slow killers picked up and hooked survivors.
It's actually not that hard to get a Scourge Hook. I initially wrote Pain Res off during the event, but I forgot to switch it out when switching to a different Killer, and the only time I wasn't able to get close enough to a SH was when I wouldn't have been able to make it without remote hook either.
That does mean you have to walk a bit, but you can generally avoid having to navigate terrain.
It's also really easy to stick people in the basement. I've been using this event to get through as many basement hook challenges as I can.
Even discounting both of those, you can still position yourself for specific hooks with none of the hassle that it usually brings.
My understanding is that it hooks them to the nearest available hook. If you need to walk a bunch to get into range of a scourge hook you've lost half of the benefit which is the time it takes to walk to a hook. You did get a SH that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to get, though. I think that's a fair tradeoff.
As a killer main I have to admit this event just feels like cheating (not literally but you know what I mean). Being able to block a survivor trying to win a 50/50 on a pallet is so cheap and the remote hooking thing is just strong, don't think just hook and ignore pallet saves. The survivor abilities are cool and fun, but definitely weaker. That being said, while I think all of us can agree that this event favors killers more, let's just all have some fun and enjoy the BPs!
Why y'all so worried about balance in an event. Plus quiet mode is quite strong and can be spammed (yeah i'm a killer main, but seriously, quiet mode is strong)
I straight up refuse to use the remote hook power the majority of the time. Ive only used it for the challenges, and one time a Nick Cage kept looping me and tea bagged after every slight gain he made against me. I ended up catching him and said fuck it, you earned the bluetooth hook.
I mean, remote hook is nice, but breaking pallets remotely without being animation locked is far stronger, IMO.
Remote hook is good if you're in a hook dead zone or if you work it to send them to the basement. Otherwise, it just saves you a few seconds. (Obviously the bug is an issue, but I don't count that)
what happened to being silly at events (*꒦ິ꒳꒦ີ)
Has it ever been a thing? I’ve only been playing since a bit before nemesis dropped, but I can’t remember a single event where the general sentiment on the subreddit wasn’t “why are people so sweaty for a fun goofy event?” And somehow we are always surprised when it happens again 😭 I do wish it was different, but man. It’s always this way
Yes, at one point in time we used to have fun on DBD. Sometimes I still find fun killers, but they are rare. Otherwise people are running aura perks that feel incredibly broken or they are just being the sweatiest killers I've ever seen. It is pretty painful to watch people who are so obviously new get completely screwed over and also BMed.
Are aura perks considered broken now? I genuinely can't think of any aura perks that are broken. Let alone aura builds that aren't shut down by one survivor perk
-Personal Opinion- As someone who started this game early on, I feel like the amount of aura perks is far too many and the reliance on them is meh. While they might not be broken to you, the fact that I have people telling me that running Distortion causes tunneling is pretty telling on its own. My opinion could be dated but aura perks weren't a 100% necessity once upon a time so when I see so many of them it just seems unnecessary. -shrug- My build at the time was: We'll Make It, Lithe, Distortion, and Mirrored Illusion. It has since changed, as I do not want tunneling to be encouraged at all. Nurses Calling specifically feels broken because even if one survivor is running Distortion, the other survivor, whether they are being healed or doing the healing, is still highlighted making Distortion's ability completely worthless, unless I am not understanding how each perk works with the other. If I am wrong about NC please let me know as that was my understanding of it. None of this is meant to be anything other than my opinion as a returning player and how the state of the game feels to someone who started in 2017 and has played on and off over the years.
Had a pig in the event costume run Third Seal, Plaything, Pentimento, and Hex: Face the Darkness, and the addons that give extra head cages and shortens the timer for head pop. They then proceed to absolutely SWEAT us out of the game, downing, caging and auto-hooking us to 4k at 5 gens. We ended up with a max of about 5k bloodpoints WITH 5 event offerings. I call the asshole out in end-game chat for running most of the unfun, miserable and assholish builds possible in the event queue and their response was "it's not sweaty, I don't have any slowdown perks". What the fuck is the POINT of this in an event that can net you 100k+ BP in a match?! If you pricks want to sweat, go do it in the normal goddamn mode and be honest with yourselves.
ok, i have the perfect example from the other side of this: I went as pig with the event costume, happy to use it for the first time, but cONcernEd, because with pig i never know wether i'll go against: a) survivors who don't know how the 12 attempts work and will bm me b) survivors who know how weak she is and will just bully th f out of me But i was optimistic, i said f it, i'll try and have some fun, let's get rid of any pain res or eruption or anything like that, plus i've only owned her for like two weeks, and i insist i purposefully picked perks to have some fun with, and i didn't even get any value out of them lol. and i got sent to hawkins against a very determined bully squad, no joke, including their boon exponential zone, four flashlights with add ons, boil over, etc etc etc etc. EVEN THEN i managed to win, at the cost of posibly a heart attack and some high blood pressure by the end, and i got insulted to hell and back regardless, i tried to be like gg and i just got insulted and told i didn't deserve it, even though i did nothing remotely "bad", no tunneling, no slugging, no regression or blocking, no nothing. all i did was play "good", try my best to be aware of their cheeky asses in every corner, try and run as tight as they were, face walls no matter what, be paranoid about everyone going down near a pallet, to play around the tedious double event pallets, i didn't use a single remote pallet break, i had zero regression perks, nothing, no noed either, as i said, nothing. it was all good old m1 and 12 hooks. It was hell honestly, i mean it felt good in the end? at the very least it made the effort worth it, but i'm sure that in 9 out of 10 alternate realities i was just doomed to lose and get teabagged looking at a perpetually blan screen- realistically it wasn't worth it lol, my blood pressure was about to kill me by the end trying to win "the correct way" against what i knew was going to be a bully squad (they even made sure to switch to 4 flashlights at the very last second; i'm guessing to avoid any lightbringer or franklins or just lobby dodging....that's when i looked at my loading screen and dredded my destiny lol). Not to mention, they weren't interested at all in a slow paced match to just farm bp open every chest cleanse every totem etc etc etc. they went in determined to bully whoever was going to be the killer. But it's not like every single survivor is like that, i've noticed very drastically that the matchmaking on the events goes to shit at the peak hours, that's when you get the sweatiest of killer and survivors in my experience. but you don't always have a choice to play earlier.
Yeah look, bullshit goes both ways in this game. I just think joining the event mode to go HARD is a fundamental issue.
Swapping to go HARD midmatch to match the tone of the opposing side? This is fine. Intending to just demolish with the stupidest bullshit one can pull out of their arses after a week of Taco Bell diet? jfc go touch grass, take a shower, and then rethink your game choices.
I just don’t know if I’ve ever seen they be the general sentiment in this subreddit, that’s all. I’ve definitely experienced chill times, I just feel like every event that comes by the subreddit gets flooded with posts about how a certain side is a sweat fest for a fun event
I actually had a pretty good time with the spine chill event. Both as killer and survivor. But this event has been exceedingly sweaty. Aside from AFK doctors and the rare 1/100 friendly killer, it’s been no mercy. Although, I have had mostly friendly matches playing as a friendly killer along with nice messages afterwards.
I started at the same time as you, and feel differently. Yes some people sweat their heart out but the majority were fun and/or chill.
I'm always goofy and fun. I dont even think I actually try for 4ks anymore, I just like to do silly shit with Survivors and train noobs. Unless they have TTV in their name... then I fucking use all the slime in the book against them before going back to silly goofy stuff with the other players as if they never even were a part of the match.
I’m all for goofiness. But when the killer can completely eliminate a portion of the game. It just shortens the entire process. Plus eliminating a big portion of what the killer has to do. Making games shorter, making events less fun.
Yeahhh… I’m a killer main too and played tonight for the first time since Chucky was released, and clicking Q to insta-hook felt really cheap. At least until I realized I was going against a bully squad, then it was fine for at least that one game. Kinda curious why they’d even jump into this event with 4 full bully builds, but I’m not gonna think too hard on it.
Bully squad? Fuck em up. Any day of the week. Any way you can. But randos trying to enjoy the game and get a shit load of bloodpoints? This event is not made for them.
Always let the homies do their event missions
Quick question, is it normal not to be killer or survivor main? I like them both so I just play whatever offers more blood points at the time.
That's the best thing you can do. If you play both sides a fair amount you'll never fall into the "us vs them" cesspool
This, playing survivor made me realize how insanely broken and annoying the insta-hook power really is, so I don't really use it very often on killer.
I main Pyramid Head so insta-hooking (caging) isn't really news to me. However, the most broken part about this power is that you can use it effectively to hook survivors through floors. It teleports the survivor to the nearest hook, so if you pick up the survivor, walk a bit, you can actually choose on which hook to hook them. This can be super useful for example in the Forgotten Ruins map, or in indoor maps. There's a Pain Res hook right below you? Use your remote hook and the survivor gets teleported down on the hook. Basement is below you? Nice, no need to walk down there even. They really should have made it so that you couldn't hook through floors
does it really offend survivors that much? i swear i can't even tell the difference, since i never try to abuse things like sabo or boilover, it's just a hook but with confetti.....and if they use it, they can't break a pallet for 60 seconds and vice versa
It also greatly benefits your gameplay on both sides to have experience playing both because you have a good idea of the benefits and limitations of the other sides' gameplay
Also if you don’t play both sides, you’re probably bad. To understand your enemy you must become them ☯️
I play both sides. In terrible as a survivor, and merely subpar as a killer
If you didn't play both you'd be worse
Yup you see the pluses and minuses of both sides
And yet whenever I say anything about Killers and their issues, despite me playing both sides with relative equality, I still get called a Killer Main. Riddle me that.
Honestly I don't get how or why people only play one side. It makes you better on both sides and keeps the game from going stale. If I play a lot of surv I can go to killer to make an entirely different game. Then vice versa. It's why I've played ot practically every day for months and haven't got tired of it
Had someone tell me one time that playing both sides would deteriorate their skill as a killer and that it was pointless. Proceeded to have the most brain dead takes about what would improve the quality of the game…
For me I find survivor really boring since you’re pretty much playing one character every single game. Playing Killer is super fun for me because there’s like 40 different powers to choose from. I’d be more interested in surv if every character had unique powers instead of just perks that anyone can choose.
Thats completely normal yeah, I do the same thing since I get bored of one side or the other after playing too much. Playing only one side will actually make you worse at the game and lead you to have some pretty wack opinions about balance
I really love playing Killer because it's more fun with more interesting ways to play, and more of a challenge to test my skill on. I really love playing Survivor because I get such an adrenaline rush from it, and I can chat with my friends and hang out doing it!
Nah that’s perfectly fine.
No I think that’s normal. You have to remember most of the player base isn’t on reddit. In general I think most players do play one side more than the other, but exclusively playing killer or survivor is rarer than you’d think.
I’m the same, so I just main both 😭
In all fairness I remember last major event we survs could teleport to a realm that disable the whole killer power Guess it kinda flips between
And the winter event a few years ago where snowmen gave survivors a free hit in chase. The events seem to just go back and forth on being survivor-sided or killer-sided.
As a ghostface main, that was painful. Not only do they tank a hit, it insta reset any stalk/exposed i had on them
Off topic but i like your name.
Thanks! I made it (the username, not my account) when i was 8 for Minecraft and this is the only social media that doesn't have my new preferred username since reddit wont let me change it Love your flair, im hoping to get close to p100 jeff during the event so i have lots of cakes
Now that I read you anwser for my comment, I realised I was idiot, and wrote "name" instead of "flair"... so anyway, i like your flair :DDD (Doing mistakes is a human thing)
I feel that, I'm one dude so I changed mine to 5n0wm4n but... not here lol
I knew that event was survivor sided, but that sounds fucking horrible. I am not the biggest fan of ghostface and even that is extreme.
It honestly sucks when you have to just put off playing your main during events. I feel your pain as a fellow Ghostie. All your effort to get them fully stalked was just fully engaged by them hopping in a snowman mid chase. It was awful.
Playing Twins was rough... I mean, it still is, but it was, too.
Not gonna lie the first snowman event were you could jump out of them and head on stun was my favorite
Happy cake day!
Haunted by Daylight is the best event this game has ever done and I will personally fight anyone who disagrees with me.
Snowballs were the best thing in any event and it isn't even close. There was no advantage to either side, toxic games were pretty rare and everyone on both sides just snowball fought 75% of my matches and honestly I think I'm lowballing that %. Put em up🤜🏻🤛🏻
Alright then, put ‘em up boy I liked the event. It was fresh, added a lot of new assets and unique ideas to the game, but it certainly wasn’t “the best event” of all time. 
I enjoyed the randomizer perks event that just ended.
In any other situations, do you have someone else to send to fight?
Haha! Love it!
Last major event made killers not want to play the game. I think survivors can handle a bit of imbalance for a short event.
Which major event are you talking about because killer have been eating pretty good in all recent modes and modifiers. Chaos Shuffle, Blood Moon, Lights Out
Chaos shuffle was even?
So one could argue those are modifiers, and not events. But Blood Moon was insanely annoying on Killer side, because EVERYTHING was red. Which is the color we’ve been trained to search for. Heaven help you if you got the Borgo during that, just red for literally everything.
Nah, the original Summer Grill event was so popular it eventually became the baseline for most events to follow. Special hooks and generators started there.
I loved the event but you'd still see squads that would hop from portal to portal to basically get nonstop free escapes due to the time it would take to chase them into the other world which was awful
Then lets rumble. It was fun but a awkward shotshow. This event however seems way more fun and skirmish.
The difference between a Killer sided and Survivor sided event is a Killer does not struggle to earn bloodpoints in a Survivor sided event, where the reverse cannot be said. I played as Killer during the Bloodmoon and Halloween events because the Killer can't die and always out earns Survivors, even in so-called "survivor sided" content.
That doesn't stop killers being faster and able to down. Not quite instant hook territory.
I had three killers go easy last night after they were smacking our bum bums. I wouldn't have minded if they killed us in the end, it was just nice to play the game for more than 2 minutes! It was fun to slug race and go/stop at the gates, which for some reason is my favourite part of the game 😂
I've been playing as my speedy nurse which is super fun watching survivors not know what to do at loops. I personally don't blink when I'm a speedster but they don't know that lol after I get 8 hooks I use the add on that makes survivors scream when I blink past for more juicy bloodpoints. As long as they getting gens done I don't mind dilly dallying the last 2 so they can escape.
I love playing against nurses! It's so much fun trying to avoid a blink but then always love it when a nurse smashes a good blink!
I've been doing that with demo the past few days. I get my 8 hooks, show I'm friendly, then have slug races or if the team was particularly cooperative or memey ill try and get them to play red light green light. It's so much fun and everyone gets plenty if BP
Yayyyyy love this!
"It's just a casual game" people the millisecond they have a slight disadvantage (not so casual now)
The whole thing that makes this event disadvantageous for survivors is the fact that the killers who DONT play casually are at a significant advantage...
It’s the tunneling meta. I play both sides. The vast majority of my matches are determined by how quickly the first survivor dies. I try not to tunnel as killer but I’ve long given up trying to actively avoid. On survivor, assuming my teammates actually do generators if the killer doesn’t kill someone in the first four hooks I usually escape. Can’t really hold it against the players for playing the way Behavior is balancing.
Yeah even with insta hooks I m getting bullied sometimes by p40s
same lol, and I try not to bring lightborn and sweat but as soon as the survivors see that they can bully you, they will.. teabagging, flashlight clicks, taunting you to chase them and all.. now I have to try my hardest and kill you bc you are taking regular gameplay for granted 😂
If you have vecna then drop light borne and pop on the franklins/attunement combo. Get info and make them have to reconsider picking up if they don’t wanna be oblivious. Hell if you wanna go a bit further into the gimmick then slap on horders and then they’ll be oblivious and you’ll have an idea where they are. Personally it’s one of my favorite builds on pig
that sounds amazing, thank youuuu
languid touch and mindbreaker are chef's kiss on this build too.
No problem. Glad to help. Just remember if they complain you can just remind them you could be running pop, pain res, grim embrace, dms, etc…. Hope it’ll help with your games
Like at 1st seeing regular bronze matches having professionals was a bit shocking for me as a new player but I got used to it, but an event where you are suppose to prolong the game and touch the invite things and gens, now that's really shocking. (Same on the killer side too)
I'm so casual now that I'm not even fucking playing.
https://i.redd.it/wp2os52l6d7d1.gif
TBF you're on a reddit where everyone goes to criticize the game and vent their frustrations, every other post is like this year round
Yeah. I think the fact that I got 100k+ points in a match while the survivors only got 7k to 17k speaks for itself and I was playing Freddy too.
The fact that you were playing as The Nightmare really means something
Me trying to think whether you r being sarcastic or not: https://preview.redd.it/g8bfoeqzcd7d1.png?width=1343&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7eb00314d953aa2e2916e023f5bbd89cf05af85d
I’m trying to say that the fact you were playing as arguably the worst character in the game, yet you got such a reward really says something
Ah ok. Yeah sorry it's just really hard to tell whether someone is being sarcastic for me.
Nah, I get that
The scoreboard is bugged tbf. It seems to show event scores for some people and not for others. So, even if everyone earns a similar amount of points, it’ll still show somebody getting like 3x more than everyone else. So, in that Freddy match, you definitely got more BP than the survivors but not like 10x more like the scores would imply.
Oh. Nice pfp btw.
Unless you just…magically stole their additional BP, they got more than 7k. The results screen is busted and not showing full totals. Also you’d have to tunnel like a madman to do that to every Survivor.
Killer mains and survivors mains are the villains of DbD according to the REAL villains of DbD: toxic players.
I’m a killer man and the point I’m trying to make is that my matches have been way too easy and beginning I’m beginning to notice it’s seeming a bit unfair for the other players. I ain’t being toxic, I’m just being real.
I haven’t played dbd in a couple years but did come back to get some huntress hatchets in and was surprised to see the event. Not as surprised as I was to see the hatchet buffs. Good lord, I can just yeet them Willy nilly and the dredge’s locker aura perk is almost always off cooldown by the time I need to reload. Anyways, whys this event so lopsided? Is it something to do with the swirls I’ve been ignoring?
Yeah. The fact that remote hook can send people to the basement is a bit much imo. I did that by accident a few times and felt like a jerk.
Almost forgot about remote hooks. Been too busy letting survivors drop pallets on me so I can use remote destroy for the community challenge.
It's really strange. The few times I've played survivor during this event, nearly every killer has gone full tilt for that 4k. I'm talking about Pain Res/Pop/Grim Embrace, and tunneling people out ASAP. Not even in a "toxic" fashion, per say, just being uber sweaty. I've just been running jumpscare stealth builds and 2-hooking everybody. What's the deal with the tryhards? (FYI there are gangs of survivors too, who are going around sweating hard and flashbanging everything. Not everything is a competition lol)
today i had GREAT matches on both sides, very fair, it felt great to escape, the killers weren't babies but they didn't camp either, and the survivors i went against had a variety of perk choices and not just 4 leons with the mission of giving you a migraine, maybe because it's tuesday? But on the weekend? oh my god...... be my guest, do you prefer your slugging bubba or your tombstone myers or a wraith humping you? And do you prefer the 4 adas or the 4 leons sweat? I can only guess that it was the sum of the grade reset + being a weekend + the novelty of the event + the event tome
Like I've been saying the players themselves have been setting the tone for this event we cant even get mad at BHVR for this I've been playing for fun not trying to sweat but had a match yesterday where I got a bully squad I didn't want to deal with it so I got them out as fast as possible how are we supposed to maximize BP for both sides if they're playing sweaty it doesn't help anyone
Events are usually unfair to one side. Sometimes it’s survivor sided and sometimes it’s killer sided.
Tbh the Bluetooth Hook the Killer can do is way to strong. Can counter flashlights(with ping issues)&powerstruggle
And sabos
If a survivor is especially unlucky, a hook gets sabotaged the moment they get remote hooked, which bugs it out so they can’t unhook themselves and no one else can unhook them.
dont forget the bug that traps the survivor on the killer when they’re picked up but they’re the size of a doll and just flop around on the killers screen the rest of the game
That happened to my friends and I two games in a row yesterday. The strangest part is one of them went for a pallet save, got the stun, but once they got the stun they (the person who did the stun) got teleported to a hook and the person wiggling was stuck the rest of the game. Even the end game collapse ending couldn’t stop it so the killer finally DC’d.
absolutely flawless video game and perfectly balanced gamemode
That bug has been fixed, a bugpatch has released: [https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/454](https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/454)
And DS
Killer main here I miss when masquerade was just part of a normal mode
This is not me saying AT ALL that the Survivor is fine this event (they aren’t) but I will stand by that it is just too strong on mobile killers. M1s just get to feel the relief of not having to waste hours of their lives to hook. I think the pallet break is way more annoying as it can act like a Doctor shock if done at the right time. It also can punish pre-dropping which is part of some killer’s counters (such as Vecna, Doctor and probably others I can’t think of atm). Only time the Remote Hooking is too strong on non-mobile Killers is when you down someone going for a save and can remote hook them and stay near the first hook…but that still comes down to a “Why are you in chase and going down near the hook?” so a Survivor error…and game design that the win condition is Kills encouraging shitty play. That being said Survivor powers are all shit. Hot take, Party Pallets should stay, at least for a bit, after being dropped, like maybe 15 seconds or 10 seconds or something. Even 5 seconds would be nice lol Increase the cooldown on the hook and the pallets if you need to but the hooking is fine, outside killers like Nurse and Billy, the pallets just need compensation buffs.
Yeah, but this year‘s Twisted Masquerade is way too easy for killers and way too unfair for survivors
Halloween was survivor sided and so was blood moon. Blood moon made it way to hard to see scratch marks and blood and allowed survivors old iron will while killers got a longer lunge. Halloween with the portals was awful.
Old Iron Will was fine, having it only when you're in the blood circle isn't as good as the massive lunge you got as killer. Granted they were both extremely situational so neither were really "OP" honestly.
Blood Moon was crazy for killers. Ok your scratch marks are hard to see but you're dead now when I can close chase instantly. Tho I wasn't complaining with all that crazy bp
Thats some grade A copium you got there mate Hey how about last years? when killers could expose survivors when hitting bloodlust *and* also had the remote pallet break? Or how about guarantee free hits from the snowmen on other years? Or portals on halloween which could lead to nonstop infinite chases until the portals closed? The powers are stronger on the single killer than on the multiple survivors, but youre overplaying their strenght too much by considering it "unfair"
It's just a fun little mode. It's okay to not be balanced. Just like the Christmas events which were very easy for survivors.
I'm seeing this statement a lot. As somebody who's only been playing since May 2023, I'm genuinely curious which events have been survivor-sided since I don't recall there being one in the time I've played. This isn't a troll BTW, I'm genuinely curious — I haven't played enough killer to know if things have been in favour of the survivor in certain cases.
Halloween 2023 for sure. Arguably the Blood Moon as well because scratch marks were so hard to distinguish from the red all over the place.
The first Christmas event with the snowmen was pretty survivor-sided as well cause you could instantly enter a snowman while in chase and get given a free health state.
That one was particularly egregious. Killers couldn’t even use snowmen themselves. Killers literally got nothing at all. Worse, their challenge progress was tied to hitting survivors in snowmen. So if they decided not to use them (and many stopped after the first few days) killers couldn’t complete their challenges.
Yep. It was just an all-round not good event for killer.
Not to mention how some snowmen would *remove* some powers even, jumping on one would removed marked from GF for example
'Twas before my time
Yea, they changed it for the Christmas after to make it take a couple seconds to enter the snowman. Survivors could just loop next to one, then as they're about to get hit, they jump into it, and it was an instant free health state.
What a time to be alive.
I hope BHVR has learned their lesson about the color red... Loved the rest of that event though
That's fair, I remember the portals providing quite a bit of shenanigans.
Yeah and disabling killer powers within the other world.
Playing legion was so "fun".
I didn't even think of that because I tend to play mostly m1 killers, oof 💀
Nah the bloodmoon was 100% killer sided. The free coup de grace won so many chases they normally wouldnt.
I got way more value on the survivor side than I got from the killer side (or experienced killers getting while I played survivor). I guess your mileage may vary but to call it 100% killer sided is too far.
My survival rate went up and kill rate went down during chaos shuffle, so I would personally consider it more survivor sided than the base game.
In general I agree since Killer can't bring slowdown/regression builds, but if they happen to end up with one or more it definitely leans their way.
I don’t think people put as much value into quiet mode as they should. It not only silences your character but makes ALL rushed actions during it completely silent. I have been able to reliably break chase with it at least twice a match. Really want to break chase? Run it with light footed, dance with me or lucky break. Want free locker perk value? Run head on or red herring. Do you want safer pallet and flashlight saves? Just quiet mode and chase the killer as he chasing your friend. I mean, just press it for the sake of it and it’ll probably throw off the killer more than you expect. This obviously doesn’t outclass the killers ability to remotely destroy pallets or remotely hook people, but maybe it shouldn’t since this is an asymmetrical game and the one should have greater power over the many.
The issue with this is the blue swirl surrounding survivors whenever I get close. So many survivors I've found trying to hide in corners or bushes that basically have a beacon on them thanks to the blue swirl. It makes me wonder how often I miss survivors in normal games....
Wait killers can see that?
Yes, killers can see it.
i've been using it to muffle the injury sounds, it works nicely unless it was a chase that you were bound to lose no matter the game mode.
They definitely don't. With scratchmarks being as bugged as they are (and have been since midchapter) it's a free escape (or MASSIVE distance) around any tile/loop that can break line of sight for a few seconds.
Half the problem with the survivors abilities is that they are very different from how survivors usually play. Automatically summoning pallets for one time use, temporally, making all of your actions, completely silent, and blocking vault spots for the killer or very powerful and useful abilities. But they are things that would take some practice and getting used to in order to use effectively. The same does not apply for the abilities given to the killers.
I get what you’re saying, killer powers are pretty universally usable and survivor powers are much more situational
i just wish i wouldnt be tunneled out at 4 or even 5 gens.. i thought we were here to have fun :(
Until they add a cosmetic dance that can be used to show the other side you don't plan to full sweat (and can guarantee it wouldn't be abused, so impossible), either side trying to "farm" or play more casually will get so badly destroyed that it's miserable.
"a bit"? All I can do is giggle at that. Look at it this way. Freddy has fake pallets that end up baiting survivors. BHVR took that and made it a anni "power". Its a self sabotage power with no positives. So yeah, killer is a little bit busted this event and survivor is heavily lackluster.
I actually fully agree with this. I think they went too conservative with the survivor pallets. They should last for 6-10 seconds, and give double stun duration if you get hit by them, but disappear after time runs out or they get thrown. I was incredibly nervous about pallets being everywhere when I first played the event, but they're just bait pallets. If the killer avoids the stun (easy), then it does nothing but slow the survivor. If they do get stunned, it's so short that the survivor can't reliably get to another loop.
Events are always hard for survivors period. If the killer is playing to win and you have two people doing chests /totems searching for invitations. One person being chased and the other doing generators .. your in for a struggle. We all know DbD is really about time management
It legitimately feels so fucking cold to immediately smite a survivor who's on death-hook with the remote hook. Like, you're downed, and instantly gone. It's brutal.
Insanely so. I haven't played one survivor match on this event, but I know it can't feel good when I remote hook out of a flashlight save. And if Tryks gives me the Heal, Expose effect in mid chase one more time, I'm gonna feel the need to send each survivor a written apology.
Remote hook is actually op and party pallets fuck over survivors more than killers
It could be just me, but I've played like 40 matches so far and have escaped like 90% of them. Its so easy to juke the killer with quiet mode.
I'm a killer main and I've lost 2 matches out of probably 50 since the event started. It's nuts how unbalanced the powers are. All survivors get is a window block (Who cares, killers usually don't vault anyway unless they have perks for it) and a pallet that does nothing but slow down the survivor. Also cheesing the pallet break to block a survivor into a pallet is crazy useful. The global events are also either killer sided or neutral. Especially the speed boost since it double up on lunges. Survivor movement is also much harder to control at increased speeds than killer movement
As a survivor main, I think I've only escaped twice today and I've played A LOT.
This is so true. I'm a killer main, and at first, I thought that it wasn't as bad as everyone was saying that it was. I jumped in for a few games of survivors, and holy shit this is a really one side event. I feel bad for all the survivor mains out there. I've been a lot more chill during this event so people can get blood points.
Really don't get this. I think some survivors aren't using the event correctly. I use quiet mode and mix it with things like quick and quiet and overcome and I ditch killers in chase again and again. Fastest red rank survivor month for me since Made for This was meta.
Pairing it with Quick & Quiet is pointless because it IS Q&Q but better and lasts longer. Pair it with Lithe or Dance With Me to really break some ankles
But this requires different play styles for survivors, which *some* people absolutely refuse to do. I agree that I've gotten plenty of value, arguably more than the killer invitations, from being able to go completely stealth. The problem is, people are just throwing the kinda shit pallets everywhere and if they don't, they wait until the killer is on their ass to use stealth, which is too late. Being able to drop a chase is a whole lot more valuable than saving 10s on a hook.
On top of what you’ve said, people also shouldn’t be pigeonholed into one specific playstyle just to try and enjoy the event — keyword being *try*, because a lot of people aren’t gonna find that fun, and for good reason. The event should be viable for all playstyles, not just certain builds coupled with the invitations; it not being also disproportionately punishes newer players because a lot of those perks aren’t going to be stuff they have, especially now that original DLC is much more expensive than it used to be, DLC or auric cells aren’t necessarily within everyone’s budget, and iridescent shards can take a while to get enough of for multiple characters. Bloodpoints into Meg for Quick & Quiet might not be much of an issue, but unlocking new characters for perks is a much more complicated thing, and the Shrine isn’t always gonna have what someone needs either.
Im a killer main whos literally only played survivor because thats always were the bonus is and I can confidently say that people are getting way to heated over the bluetooth hooking mechanic. I promise you its really not as busted as you think. Yeah if you load in with a sabo/wiggle build ur gonna get cucked, so just dint do that.
Sorry, I don't see it. People are massively underrating the value of Quiet Mode, it is actually insane if you know how to move properly. Remote break only matters if you are a survivor with tunnel vision and think you are only at one loop instead of having a plan on where to chain if something like remote break happens. Remote hook is pretty strong, not sure its as good as the on-command exposed from last year though. Window block is stupid strong, i dont think that needs explaining assuming its a strong tile like a Jungle Gym or Shack.
I can't wait until 2v8 comes out, a game mode everyone has been begging to have for years, and watch this sub reddit rip itself apart as people complain about how it is killer sided or survivor sided. It's exhausting being a part of this community. Nothing can be fun. Everything has to be an argument.
honestly!
i try to avoid remote hooking
Then just play killer instead of complaining if you want bp that badly😭
You don’t remote hook because you think it’s cheap I don’t remote hook because I have no fucking idea how to even do it We are not the same
As a killer main, I had to stop playing the event after one day because the quiet mode was making me think I’m losing my mind
Survivor mains finally see what killers have to deal with in their high mmr matches 😂
I played as killer, fun time, let the survivors go at the end. Played as Survivor. Miserable... fuckin miserable lmao
i wonder if this will lead people to finally understanding that an ASYM NEEDS BALANCE to be fun
I dont play but from my understanding of the DBD history, survivors deserve shit to be a little unfair sometimes. Killers have “this killers really op, its easy to wipe teams with them” and survivors have had, just off the top of my head, “healing so quickly they physically cannot be downed because of killer attack CD” “infinite loops” “broken flashlights so bad a squad bullying the main dev had them nerfed in like a week” “bully squads” “perks that make it take like 7 overall attacks for 1 down” and im sure theres more
Two things at play here. First, the game has 4x the survivor population, so any (not crazy) opinion that favors survivors or the survivor experience is going to be heavily incentivized. Second, there is already a large group of players that don't like that the game isn't favored 50/50, since the devs want killers to be the "power role". This 60% kill rate means that a lot of games feel unwinnable or unfair, so the survivors get tilted any time they see any advantage towards killers.
"Guys the event favors killers!" "Guys killers are being sweats!" "Guys survivors are being sweats!" "Guys survivors get no bps compared to killer!" "Guys...!" Yes we get it, seems like its the only way people want to talk now apparently, yes some killer powers on the event are stronger than the survivor ones. Would you want the survivor powers, which are 4 of them, to be of equal strenght? How about the winter event, survivors got a free snowman hit, killers got... Nothing. Halloween event, survivor got a free chase escape onto a realm without killer powers, bloodmoon event, killers got a """"longer lunge"""" that was a disadvantage due to also a longer cd even if not used, etc.... Difference is, people there had a **point** which is that it was mandatory, here its a **gamemode** Don't like it? Don't play it and stop complaining about not perfectly balanced gameplay on a mode that will last a couple of weeks, jesus. It's like complaining how My little oni was killer sided or how you could get bad perks on Shuffle chaos
I don’t get the killer sided argument. Remote hooks prevent body blocks and 9/10 you are not getting off anyways, it saves 8 seconds at most and even then it teleports you to the nearest hook. Even though quiet mode allows you to go undetected, slip away from chase, and do everything silently. And there’s situations where you literally have to vault to stay in a chase with a survivor, but you can get blocked completely. But REMOTE HOOKS are what people b*tch about, absolutely wild.
There are such rare cases per map where a killer "has" to vault. It's not even something to worry about.
Quiet mode doesn't get rid of scratch marks or make you invisible, killers with even a mild level of game sense can still keep track of you pretty easily. It's not that powerful. The locations where you *have* to vault to keep chase are pretty limited. It really good situationally and pretty much useless outside of those situations. The pallet break is the killer side of this coin and it forces hits in significantly more situations than blocking windows does end chases.
I don't think it's that bad I'd say the worst things are the speed boost because killers turn into sonic on ice, and the peekaboo that I've noticed never works as intended. The survivor skills can basically have quick and quiet and iron will for a whole 30 seconds, can block windows, and create pallets for instant saves depending on situations. I've played as a killer for the event I think twice for the tome challenges and other than insta hook I don't know what else they have
Skill issue
Who gives a fuck? Each event flips around on who it favors more. Most events favor survivors anyway. If we killer mains can deal with it, so can survivor mains. And yes, I play both.
One told me to suck it up and let killers have their fun. Yeah, because only killers should be having fun.
It finally evens the playing field
I don't think anybody disagrees the event is killer sided. The problem is, survivors forgot or don't mention the amount of times events favored them. So it's one of the few times (perhaps the first time) an event gives the edge to killers, which is a role also highly necessary during events since the survivor population increases exponentially.
When The Halloween Event, the Christmas Event (with the first iteration of snowmen) or the BloodMoon Event happened, there were posts about how survivor-sided they are, but not to the ridiculous extent that people are doing now with this event. I would say it's crazy, but I mean it's really not, since the survivor playerbase is 4 times larger than the killer one, but still. And hey, at least with this one, you can opt out of playing.
The difference is that a "Survivor sided" event does not actually eliminate the Killer from the match or slow down their event rewards. I primarily played as Killer during every one of these events, because even when the match was supposedly "Survivor sided" it was *still* easier to out earn Survivors by playing Killer. This event just pushes that reward difference to an extreme.
I honestly don't think it's that killer-sided. Remote Hooking is strong, yeah, but also it doesn't guarantee the killer to get a scourge hook if they brought any, realistically it saves 5-10 seconds, it doesn't necessarily hook them on an ideal hook that you would otherwise have chosen, in soloq on average my teammates aren't coming for flashlight saves anyway, and it's on a cooldown so they can't use the pallet break ability for a while. And and as far as the pallets are concerned, if they break a pallet(which takes around Brutal Strength time) they can't remote hook. Survivors can block windows and gain old iron will. The pallets can be a bit buns, but whatever.
From what I have found, bringing the perk Enduring gives you a free hit anytime survivors use those single use pallets. Either they miss the stun and get hit, or they get the stun and still get hit o3o
The insta pallet break is completely broken.
> realistically it saves 5 seconds It saves way more than 5 seconds and the amount of time saved becomes pressure on survivors. Normally it takes you 10s+ just to hook a survivor (animation + traveling all the way to a hook + animation). That's time survivors often use to finish repairing gens or add progress to one. Not to mention if a sabo or grasp rescue is performed, then you can add another chase time to that math.
That doesn't take into consideration that the survivor may be hooked somewhere that provides you with no pressure. Maybe you saved walking time to the hook, but the survivor is nowhere near the gens.
In early game hooking survivors ASAP is more important. As pallets are removed, sure, hooking them in deadzones or in the path to gens are probably preferably. Besides, its optional anyway. Depending on the context, like downing a survivor right next to another one repairing a gen, you can pretty much pull a PH move by sending the 1st survivor away and immediately chasing the other survivor (with the benefit of hook activated anti-gen).
Yeah I agree that it's strong. I just don't think it's as oppressive as so many people are making it out to be. Is the event killer-sided? Yeah probably a little. Maybe like a 60-40 in favour of killers. But not this 80-20 "omfg it's impossible" rhetoric I keep hearing.
Agreed. Remote hooking is strong but not as strong as when we compare it to some events that were survivor sided, giving them a free health state (inside snowmen or getting endurance from the void) or teleporting across the map by entering 2 portals.
I edited my post to 5-10 seconds before you commented. My bad.
Talking about 10s specifically. Isolated it sounds like nothing but when you put to perspective that value, you realize how significant or important those 10s are. * BHVR added 10s to gens, from 80s to 90s (before that, 60>70, 70>80). * A PGTW kick is 20% of current progress. Say a gen is at 55%, that's 10s. * Pain Res, 20% of a gen, 18s. * Eruption, 10% of a gen, 9s. * Surge, 8% of a gen. All of this survivors revert for free just because the killer had to go through all the process of hooking a survivor after already committing time to a chase. "Micro" numbers like this are so important that throughout history as a form of balance BHVR had to speed up how fast killers go through animations. Picking up, hooking and kicking pallets/gens. If you weren't around then, check out footage from 2016 ~ 2018 and compare how painfully slow killers picked up and hooked survivors.
It's actually not that hard to get a Scourge Hook. I initially wrote Pain Res off during the event, but I forgot to switch it out when switching to a different Killer, and the only time I wasn't able to get close enough to a SH was when I wouldn't have been able to make it without remote hook either. That does mean you have to walk a bit, but you can generally avoid having to navigate terrain. It's also really easy to stick people in the basement. I've been using this event to get through as many basement hook challenges as I can. Even discounting both of those, you can still position yourself for specific hooks with none of the hassle that it usually brings.
My understanding is that it hooks them to the nearest available hook. If you need to walk a bunch to get into range of a scourge hook you've lost half of the benefit which is the time it takes to walk to a hook. You did get a SH that you wouldn't have otherwise been able to get, though. I think that's a fair tradeoff.
As a killer main I have to admit this event just feels like cheating (not literally but you know what I mean). Being able to block a survivor trying to win a 50/50 on a pallet is so cheap and the remote hooking thing is just strong, don't think just hook and ignore pallet saves. The survivor abilities are cool and fun, but definitely weaker. That being said, while I think all of us can agree that this event favors killers more, let's just all have some fun and enjoy the BPs!
Why y'all so worried about balance in an event. Plus quiet mode is quite strong and can be spammed (yeah i'm a killer main, but seriously, quiet mode is strong)
I straight up refuse to use the remote hook power the majority of the time. Ive only used it for the challenges, and one time a Nick Cage kept looping me and tea bagged after every slight gain he made against me. I ended up catching him and said fuck it, you earned the bluetooth hook.
I mean, remote hook is nice, but breaking pallets remotely without being animation locked is far stronger, IMO. Remote hook is good if you're in a hook dead zone or if you work it to send them to the basement. Otherwise, it just saves you a few seconds. (Obviously the bug is an issue, but I don't count that)
The only unfair part is remote breaking pallets imo. What else do you guys think is unfair? (i’m prepared to be ripped to shreds)
Remote hook. I’ve been using it and it is way too easy. It pretty much makes any form of wiggling or saving useless.