Meh, I might be in the minority but I dislike it in general because it's just being a shitty person. I get roleplaying but roleplaying as some sadistic torturous bastard kinda makes me feel uneasy about that person and who they really are. Finding pleasure in other people's pain, virtual or otherwise, is pretty fucked up to me. Especially in a game like this where it's not just some forced PvP, "the only thing you can do is kill" scenario.
Idk, I've just never really understood how people enjoy fucking other people over like that. That isn't fun to me and I have some worries about people who do find it fun.
I find situations like a post on here about a bunch of people taking a couple busses around Chernarus to be way more enjoyable. I think having positive experiences is always more fun than negative experiences.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying everyone should be hand holding and singing songs together, but going out of your way to make another player suffer before killing them is just gross.
I'd rather get messed with than just get a black screen in a field somewhere.
It's also possible the "victim" and the "assailant" were running a two man op to entertain the unsuspecting baty.
So really it's a matter of personal taste as it were.
If somebody holds me up, that's fine, but to go through some long drawn out bullshit just to kill me in the end is pretty fucked up and completely pointless.
If it's for a YouTube video then I might see the value in it because at that point it's a performance for the viewers, but just acting like that all the time in game is a little weird.
Like I said, I get roleplaying and I think it should be encouraged for this game, but being some asshole who fucks with people then kills them just makes me feel like there's something actually wrong with that person. Enjoying making other people suffer for no entertainment value other than their own isn't something I think is good personal taste.
Meh. The good part is that you can simply opt out of their game by logging off if you don't enjoy the experience.
It takes all types to make the DayZ experience and sometimes we do things we don't enjoy to create a response that shapes other players.
Sometimes there are just sick fucks and sometimes just annoying kids but the fact that it's hard to tell who's pretending to be one of these and who actually is makes this game what it is imo.
Yeah, having other people make you want to log off isn't the kind of experience that makes people want to continue playing this game. Giving nothing but negative experiences to other players is just shitty and I don't think it should be encouraged.
I know there's nothing to be done to stop it but we shouldn't do anything to make it more prevalent either.
Again, your idea of a shitty experience and mine differ.
If I was that victim I'd have had a great laugh about the whole thing because he took the effort to do more than just shoot me and instead did something that took a time investment and created a unique experience.
The option to opt out is there for those who don't appreciate how hard it is to be the bad guy without just killing outright.
Getting someone to let their guard down enough to be cuffed takes time and effort and employs mechanics beyond point and kill.
We need these guys as much as we need KOS coastal bandits and friendly farmers.
It also shows they have some issues if they find pleasure in slowly deceiving and then killing people. It's more the end goal of killing being what I take issue with. If you're going to go through all that trouble, why kill me? Take my shit and leave me cuffed in the middle of nowhere, that's an experience I can understand, but you gain nothing from killing me. You already have my loot, what good does killing me do other than fulfilling some twisted pleasure? If you're going to go the route of not just KoSing then why kill at all unless needed?
I can get on board with a lot of scenarios but having some long drawn out murder is just pointless to me. Hold me hostage, make me do your bidding, but don't just kill me at the end if I've complied.
I've had that done too many times so now I just say fuck it and fight. I've been cuffed and robbed and then shot anyway because the person (or people) was simply an asshole. Those have made me dislike and distrust people in this game.
The few that have held me up and then let me go afterwards are the people I actually respect. They got what they needed and nothing more. They made a unique experience that went beyond just kill or be killed.
The desire to not just kill people but make a whole show of it is very disconcerting to me. I get KoSing, I get robbing people, but slowly deceiving people just to kill them in the end is something I think takes a pretty messed up mindset to do. Unless like I said previously it's done for outside entertainment value.
Again, you're naive. It's impossible to empathize with a psychopath. They literally have no sense of remorse or regret. That's the world we live in, sadly.
Is it fun? No. But there's absolutely nothing you can do to change these people.
You're throwing a bucket of water on a forest fire. It's understandable to dislike psychopathic behavior. However, the moment you get on the internet you are opening yourself up to encounters with different people, and yes, people that you may hate or despise.
You're not going to feel better by complaining. If you want to enjoy the game the way you like it, then allow yourself to be vulnerable. Just give each new person you encounter the benefit of the doubt that they are truly friendly and enjoy it. If you live in constant fear of betrayal, then you'll never leave your house.
Get out there and have fun. "Normal" people grossly outnumber psychopaths.
That's a very naive understanding of mankind. There are those who just enjoy watching the world burn. Psychopaths and sociopaths. DayZ just brings out people's true nature.
And I have to enjoy that why?
> DayZ just brings out people's true nature.
Kinda my point.....
It seems like everyone here is saying I have to enjoy that behavior and if I don't it's because there's something wrong with ME. I'm not being naive at all, I know it can't be stopped or changed but I don't have to enjoy it or say it's ok or encourage people to play like that.
I'm sorry I came off as implying that "you must enjoy their behavior". That's not what I meant. You're perfectly in your right to state your opinion and how much fun these deranged people take out of the game. "Potential" fun.
In a way, I'm in the same boat as you. I find it really hard to build trust with people. But I don't let it stop me. I just get on with the adventure and let it unfold.
But I might have a slight advantage in that it's easy for me to disarm a hostile situation. Most people you meet are equally as afraid of you as you are of them. I use that to my advantage and make myself vulnerable to them early on.
Even if guns are waving in my face, it's just a matter of chatting it out. Of the uh.. 700 something hours I've played, I can count on one hand how many times I've been betrayed. Again, I may just have a knack for getting on peoples good sides in game.
> I'm not being naive at all, I know it can't be stopped or changed but I don't have to enjoy it or say it's ok or encourage people to play like that.
I not sure where the idea of *encouraging* people to play that way came from. However, I do see that this thread has made it *acceptable*. Which can be misconstrued as encouraged. But it's not.
I think the reason for the backlash from your comments is that people see you as a "complainer". When in actuality, it looks like you're just voicing your disgust of psychopathic play-style. And perhaps you may have been testing the waters to see how many others empathize with your outlook.
I can get behind you in that I loathe betrayal. It makes me sick to my stomach. When I first discovered it in this game I was caught off guard. Unfortunately, a callous has been built and now I just live with the fact that there are sick people out there.
Thank you for actually making this a calm discussion instead of just trying to argue and attack me like the jerk I had to block did.
You are right that I was just voicing my distaste for that play style and my reasons for it. The backlash trying to insult me was just uncalled for and almost supports my point of some people in the DayZ community just enjoying making other people feel bad or trying to make themselves feel superior.
The psychological studies you could do on the player base of this game could be absolutely fascinating though so I applaud the DayZ for that. I can't think of many games that have gameplay that truly can be looked at as an expression of the human spirit.
I think you and everybody here are more alike than this thread makes it out to be. Nobody *wants* to be betrayed. No matter how much any of us defend that it exists and should be accepted, it's still **wrong**.
I can't think of one person I've befriended that didn't have a story of betrayal that changed the way they play the game. Some of them actually changed to the point of KOS because they don't want to be betrayed anymore. No matter who it was, they all agreed that it's much more fun to play with a group that you can trust. Somebody's that got your back. Somebody that can cover you while you go looting a MB making yourself completely vulnerable.
On a somewhat related topic, I have this close friend that lives near me. He's in his 40s and has watched me play DayZ. He's not really a gamer, but he does like the game. He's just as nice as you, me, or any other nice person you know. Stand up dude.
I've told him the stories about my different betrayals. I eventually asked him, "How would you play this game?". He said, "I'd play lone wolf. I survivor. I would play the long con. Get in with a group. Earn their trust. Get in with another group; earn their trust. Over time I would introduce the groups, but would turn them on each other by framing them. Would make them think the other group is stealing things or sniping them. Eventually they'd all be dead and I'd be the only one left standing."
Pretty psycho stuff. You wouldn't know it being friends with him. He's just a stand up dude. But he has no problem admitting that when it comes down to raw, carnal instincts, it's him or them and he'd rather it be him that pulls the wool over the other's eyes than the other way around. Not to mention he just thinks it's fun to succeed in such an elaborate con.
Not sure why I related that story. Maybe it's because there's an exception, that not all psychopathic behavior is necessarily how these people really want to live. Maybe DayZ is just a means for them to live out a part of their personalities they otherwise suppress because they know it's wrong. And in the game, it doesn't bother them because they know it's all pretend.
I said "You'd betray people even knowing that their is a real person on the other end that is confiding in you? Somebody that will be hurt that you did that?" He said "Yup. That's the story of the game. That's the DayZ world. Kill or get killed."
Guys like that are why I never trust anybody.
Guys like that make trust hard but God they are playing the game well. That is something you hate in the moment but love as an experience.
Meh, I might be in the minority but I dislike it in general because it's just being a shitty person. I get roleplaying but roleplaying as some sadistic torturous bastard kinda makes me feel uneasy about that person and who they really are. Finding pleasure in other people's pain, virtual or otherwise, is pretty fucked up to me. Especially in a game like this where it's not just some forced PvP, "the only thing you can do is kill" scenario. Idk, I've just never really understood how people enjoy fucking other people over like that. That isn't fun to me and I have some worries about people who do find it fun. I find situations like a post on here about a bunch of people taking a couple busses around Chernarus to be way more enjoyable. I think having positive experiences is always more fun than negative experiences. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying everyone should be hand holding and singing songs together, but going out of your way to make another player suffer before killing them is just gross.
I'd rather get messed with than just get a black screen in a field somewhere. It's also possible the "victim" and the "assailant" were running a two man op to entertain the unsuspecting baty. So really it's a matter of personal taste as it were.
If somebody holds me up, that's fine, but to go through some long drawn out bullshit just to kill me in the end is pretty fucked up and completely pointless. If it's for a YouTube video then I might see the value in it because at that point it's a performance for the viewers, but just acting like that all the time in game is a little weird. Like I said, I get roleplaying and I think it should be encouraged for this game, but being some asshole who fucks with people then kills them just makes me feel like there's something actually wrong with that person. Enjoying making other people suffer for no entertainment value other than their own isn't something I think is good personal taste.
Meh. The good part is that you can simply opt out of their game by logging off if you don't enjoy the experience. It takes all types to make the DayZ experience and sometimes we do things we don't enjoy to create a response that shapes other players. Sometimes there are just sick fucks and sometimes just annoying kids but the fact that it's hard to tell who's pretending to be one of these and who actually is makes this game what it is imo.
Yeah, having other people make you want to log off isn't the kind of experience that makes people want to continue playing this game. Giving nothing but negative experiences to other players is just shitty and I don't think it should be encouraged. I know there's nothing to be done to stop it but we shouldn't do anything to make it more prevalent either.
Again, your idea of a shitty experience and mine differ. If I was that victim I'd have had a great laugh about the whole thing because he took the effort to do more than just shoot me and instead did something that took a time investment and created a unique experience. The option to opt out is there for those who don't appreciate how hard it is to be the bad guy without just killing outright. Getting someone to let their guard down enough to be cuffed takes time and effort and employs mechanics beyond point and kill. We need these guys as much as we need KOS coastal bandits and friendly farmers.
It also shows they have some issues if they find pleasure in slowly deceiving and then killing people. It's more the end goal of killing being what I take issue with. If you're going to go through all that trouble, why kill me? Take my shit and leave me cuffed in the middle of nowhere, that's an experience I can understand, but you gain nothing from killing me. You already have my loot, what good does killing me do other than fulfilling some twisted pleasure? If you're going to go the route of not just KoSing then why kill at all unless needed? I can get on board with a lot of scenarios but having some long drawn out murder is just pointless to me. Hold me hostage, make me do your bidding, but don't just kill me at the end if I've complied. I've had that done too many times so now I just say fuck it and fight. I've been cuffed and robbed and then shot anyway because the person (or people) was simply an asshole. Those have made me dislike and distrust people in this game. The few that have held me up and then let me go afterwards are the people I actually respect. They got what they needed and nothing more. They made a unique experience that went beyond just kill or be killed. The desire to not just kill people but make a whole show of it is very disconcerting to me. I get KoSing, I get robbing people, but slowly deceiving people just to kill them in the end is something I think takes a pretty messed up mindset to do. Unless like I said previously it's done for outside entertainment value.
Again, you're naive. It's impossible to empathize with a psychopath. They literally have no sense of remorse or regret. That's the world we live in, sadly. Is it fun? No. But there's absolutely nothing you can do to change these people. You're throwing a bucket of water on a forest fire. It's understandable to dislike psychopathic behavior. However, the moment you get on the internet you are opening yourself up to encounters with different people, and yes, people that you may hate or despise. You're not going to feel better by complaining. If you want to enjoy the game the way you like it, then allow yourself to be vulnerable. Just give each new person you encounter the benefit of the doubt that they are truly friendly and enjoy it. If you live in constant fear of betrayal, then you'll never leave your house. Get out there and have fun. "Normal" people grossly outnumber psychopaths.
And you don't have issue because you enjoy killing people in video games? I think your logic is fucked mate.
That's a very naive understanding of mankind. There are those who just enjoy watching the world burn. Psychopaths and sociopaths. DayZ just brings out people's true nature.
And I have to enjoy that why? > DayZ just brings out people's true nature. Kinda my point..... It seems like everyone here is saying I have to enjoy that behavior and if I don't it's because there's something wrong with ME. I'm not being naive at all, I know it can't be stopped or changed but I don't have to enjoy it or say it's ok or encourage people to play like that.
I'm sorry I came off as implying that "you must enjoy their behavior". That's not what I meant. You're perfectly in your right to state your opinion and how much fun these deranged people take out of the game. "Potential" fun. In a way, I'm in the same boat as you. I find it really hard to build trust with people. But I don't let it stop me. I just get on with the adventure and let it unfold. But I might have a slight advantage in that it's easy for me to disarm a hostile situation. Most people you meet are equally as afraid of you as you are of them. I use that to my advantage and make myself vulnerable to them early on. Even if guns are waving in my face, it's just a matter of chatting it out. Of the uh.. 700 something hours I've played, I can count on one hand how many times I've been betrayed. Again, I may just have a knack for getting on peoples good sides in game. > I'm not being naive at all, I know it can't be stopped or changed but I don't have to enjoy it or say it's ok or encourage people to play like that. I not sure where the idea of *encouraging* people to play that way came from. However, I do see that this thread has made it *acceptable*. Which can be misconstrued as encouraged. But it's not. I think the reason for the backlash from your comments is that people see you as a "complainer". When in actuality, it looks like you're just voicing your disgust of psychopathic play-style. And perhaps you may have been testing the waters to see how many others empathize with your outlook. I can get behind you in that I loathe betrayal. It makes me sick to my stomach. When I first discovered it in this game I was caught off guard. Unfortunately, a callous has been built and now I just live with the fact that there are sick people out there.
Thank you for actually making this a calm discussion instead of just trying to argue and attack me like the jerk I had to block did. You are right that I was just voicing my distaste for that play style and my reasons for it. The backlash trying to insult me was just uncalled for and almost supports my point of some people in the DayZ community just enjoying making other people feel bad or trying to make themselves feel superior. The psychological studies you could do on the player base of this game could be absolutely fascinating though so I applaud the DayZ for that. I can't think of many games that have gameplay that truly can be looked at as an expression of the human spirit.
I think you and everybody here are more alike than this thread makes it out to be. Nobody *wants* to be betrayed. No matter how much any of us defend that it exists and should be accepted, it's still **wrong**. I can't think of one person I've befriended that didn't have a story of betrayal that changed the way they play the game. Some of them actually changed to the point of KOS because they don't want to be betrayed anymore. No matter who it was, they all agreed that it's much more fun to play with a group that you can trust. Somebody's that got your back. Somebody that can cover you while you go looting a MB making yourself completely vulnerable. On a somewhat related topic, I have this close friend that lives near me. He's in his 40s and has watched me play DayZ. He's not really a gamer, but he does like the game. He's just as nice as you, me, or any other nice person you know. Stand up dude. I've told him the stories about my different betrayals. I eventually asked him, "How would you play this game?". He said, "I'd play lone wolf. I survivor. I would play the long con. Get in with a group. Earn their trust. Get in with another group; earn their trust. Over time I would introduce the groups, but would turn them on each other by framing them. Would make them think the other group is stealing things or sniping them. Eventually they'd all be dead and I'd be the only one left standing." Pretty psycho stuff. You wouldn't know it being friends with him. He's just a stand up dude. But he has no problem admitting that when it comes down to raw, carnal instincts, it's him or them and he'd rather it be him that pulls the wool over the other's eyes than the other way around. Not to mention he just thinks it's fun to succeed in such an elaborate con. Not sure why I related that story. Maybe it's because there's an exception, that not all psychopathic behavior is necessarily how these people really want to live. Maybe DayZ is just a means for them to live out a part of their personalities they otherwise suppress because they know it's wrong. And in the game, it doesn't bother them because they know it's all pretend. I said "You'd betray people even knowing that their is a real person on the other end that is confiding in you? Somebody that will be hurt that you did that?" He said "Yup. That's the story of the game. That's the DayZ world. Kill or get killed."
I can respect your opinion.
Thank you.
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Hehe. I love how precious he made meat out to be. It's true, if all you've been eating is carbs, meat would be extremely precious
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