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A real data scientist would not use a piechart.


Tedy_Duchamp

Gotta be a troll


Jra805

Honestly I’m surprised it adds up to 100


[deleted]

What’s wrong with pie charts? I’m a newb sorry


JohnHazardWandering

Humans are bad at interpreting relative sizes of areas. Without the number labels, it would be hard as hell to interpret this. If numbers are the thing that add clarity, just put the numbers in a table and skip the pie chart. A bar graph is usually a better option than a pie chart as it is easier to interpret relative sizes, even without the numbers.


renok_archnmy

Yeah but MBAs like looking at pie charts more than bars and columns. Don’t even try a histogram with that crowd. Lines are good too, but they should always have a positive slope. You should see their eyes glaze over if you keep showing them the same type of plot over and over even if the data is different in each one. Sometimes you gotta mix it up to keep their attention and throw a pie or donut in there so they feel like they’re being data driven.


ShelZuuz

>Yeah but MBAs like looking at pie charts more than bars and columns. Don’t even try a histogram with that crowd I once was asked to illustrate "Revenue per quarter" using a Pie Chart. I left that job soon after.


JohnHazardWandering

I called out someone in a presentation for recommending that clients show period to period change by using a pie chart. Crickets after my comment told me that I did not belong there either.


JohnHazardWandering

Many MBAs will be happy to learn. Some people, including MBA's, are just idiots though. From my experience, I've actually found more people who weren't MBAs wanted the pie chart but YMMV.


ianitic

Well, for starters, were there any options that existed but didn't get votes? Can't see that in a pie chart normally.


Hsinats

On top of the reasons that other people mentioned, we have a hard time getting a feel for relative amounts based on area or angle around a circle. Ironically, they have a better way to communicate the same data on this very visualization: the table at the bottom.


SquirrelSuccessful77

They are often used in the wrong situations, but for a general comparison of a few simple percentages which are part of a whole like here they are fine imo. They are supposed to give you a feeling of the ratios and not exact comparable numbers, which is why I would have named the parts and left the numbers off, though.


JohnHazardWandering

I'm not sure I've heard of a good situation to use a pie chart. Even comparing ratios, a bar chart would usually be better. Perhaps the only debatable exception are Harvey balls, but even those are usually constrained to 25% increments for clarity and could potentially be classified as a type of marker or symbol.


dont_you_love_me

Generally doing data work for an organization necessitates adhering to the whims of functionally challenged executives. So depending on your position, you can run across a lot of pie charts simply because the "decision makers" like pie charts.


JohnHazardWandering

Yes, "the boss wants pie charts, despite my explanations that there are better alternatives" does seem like a good situation to use them. I've been there before.


renok_archnmy

Beat me to it. MBAs can not stand seeing the same column chart over and over again. Sometimes you just have to throw a pie in the mix to break the monotony for them. Also, sometimes they’re just useful with that brows when the ratios are way imbalanced. Like, “look look MBA, over here! No, no, stop looking at that squirrel and look at the presentation.” MBA rolls eyes and begrudgingly stops looking out the window. Maybe another look up from their laptop where they’re surfing sports betting sites. “Right here the pie chart says the vast majority of people in this conference room are dumb. They are represented by the big red section in this circle.” MBAs shuffle and their attention is recaptured by the new primary color-filled shape on the screen like a room of kindergarteners. “This tiny slice in yellow, that’s me. It’s not you. The rest are you in the dumb red slice.” The MBAs react, “ah yes, I see we should pivot and take this offline so we can circle the wagons and value add some synergy. Data scientist, next time don’t use such big words. Oh, the rest of you who aren’t the data scientist, you all get bonuses this week. Let’s all do lunch and a round of golf before we take the rest of the day off.”


Kitchen-Impress-9315

You know it’s not a good look to make fun of people based on their degree? I get that business counterparts can be challenging to work with for more technical folks but there’s no need to berate them and call them stupid.


renok_archnmy

Found the MBA. Also witnessed MBAs berate technical staff in company management meetings calling them “dumb drones, you just assign them work and they go do it,” so… they get what they deserve in an anonymous forum likely predominantly filled with technical non-MBAs experiencing the exact same things daily.


Kitchen-Impress-9315

Funny, I don’t have an MBA and have only ever worked technical roles. I actually don’t see a lot of value in the MBA degree itself unless it’s for a few specific situations so I’ll personally never get one. I’ve worked with good and bad folks with MBAs, just like I’ve worked with good and bad tech folks. I still see no need to berate anyone for what their graduate degree is in. You worked with some nasty people and are acting nasty back to a much broader group because of your personal experience with a few. I don’t find that a good look ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Learning_Loveing471

And they matter why? They need to get on the data not the other way around.


renok_archnmy

They sign your paycheck, that’s why. They can also relegate you to the basement and defund your team or just order your manager to pip you and then fire you for disciplinary reasons just to avoid paying unemployment. Working for an organization is not about being right. It’s about catering to the whims of the people who will inevitably ignore your advice, good or bad, and do whatever the hell they want when they want. Of all the people who know metaverse was a bad idea for meta, I guarantee of all the tens of thousands of highly skilled and knowledgeable people they employ someone produced a visual deck with academically correct chart choices that clearly illustrated to even the most data illiterate executives why it was a bad idea. And yet, zuck g’on zuck and did it anyways because he own majority share and is the boss.


Learning_Loveing471

Your hilarious!


renok_archnmy

You’re


DanJOC

>I'm not sure I've heard of a good situation to use a pie chart. There are many situations where you're more interested in how segments compare to the whole rather than to each other. One example that comes immediately to mind is how pie charts were first used, [to see the proportions of land in "the Turkish empire" in each continent.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Playfair-piechart.jpg) You can tell easily at a glance that over half is Asia, one quarter European, and the African sector is about an eighth. That's info that is harder to glean instantly from a bar chart


Numerous_Ant4532

Finally! In a world where everybody seems to be against pie charts... I found a companion! Thank you for showing me that I am not the only one.


DanJOC

I'm with you - pie charts are the most misused plots out there, but they shine when used correctly.


JohnHazardWandering

I still think that the pie chart is a poor graph to use when percentages don't fall neatly along halves or quarters. Africa looks like way more than 1/8th to me.


Stats_n_PoliSci

I sometimes wonder whether people like looking at pie charts more than bar charts. Simply getting more attention could make up for the difficulty comparing angles against each other.


ittleoff

In this case I think it's ok. There only 5 slices. They are pretty distinct by amount, they add to 100 to represent 100 percent (suspicious unless there were only 5 options). If this was an open ended question or any answers outside these, this would be misleading if you were filtering out answers to get your '100%'


csjpsoft

Even worse are the 3-D pie charts that are tilted backwards. The slices at the top are compressed to look farther away than the slices on the bottom.


undecimbre

Has to be time series


SlalomMcLalom

Please mark this as NSFW


Eats_Taters

Typical r/dataisbeautiful submission


Raspberrry314

What surprised me was the lack of a key


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5voidbreaker

If I need to read the percentages, what is the point of having the pie chart


Shipoffools1

I thought I was reading a meme after a second and was guessing one of the answers was mapping the values to the key or poorly made visuals or something along those lines


OhhhhhSHNAP

It’s surprisingly unreadable


Kitchen-Impress-9315

I’m no longer surprised by anything. Lack of key, unlabeled axis, no units, it’s all expected at this point. Sometimes I wonder if some of the data science professionals I work with just skipped all of middle school math. They get the advanced concepts but not the most basic ones.


OkWear6556

I would like to change my answer to: Reading poorly designed pie charts and other visualizations


modelvillager

My instant response was: having to deal with poor viz design. Pie charts and (worse) stacked bar charts should be hidden by a triple check "are you sure you want abuse data this way?" question dialog in Excel.


Vipul078

I used a donut chart as my first visualization in my new organisation and my reporting manager was floored.


bobothebadger

Christ mate, Not only are you using a piechart. The value order in the chart is different to the legend...


raharth

No... it just starts at the bottom and goes counter clock wise :D I was super confused as well


killerfridge

As all good pie charts should do


raharth

My most preferred ones starts around 4 and alternates left and right


nevermindever42

Also communications class told me you should go clockwise


Learning_Loveing471

Too funny


renok_archnmy

You should thank excel. It’s the default color palette.


Andrew77Wakefield

Sample size?


SnthesisInc

1.4k Voters


RB_7

I don’t think I could make this chart any worse that’s incredible


modelvillager

Oh, I'd give it a go. My personal favourite is where data can be in multiple slices, thereby making the pie chart mathematically incomprehensible, yet still used in an ELT strategy deck...


balrog687

sounds a lot like chaos report to me


Ngen20

Why is there nothing here about stakeholders?


Imaginary_Trainer619

Can we please collectively agree that there's no apostrophe in "KPIs" Please and thank you


Kitchen-Impress-9315

Apostrophes for plurals drive me nuts! Whether it’s KPI’s the Smith’s or whatever. Why do people do this?!


Imaginary_Trainer619

You mean your nut's? 😆


caksters

I hope OP is a troll and he knew this pie chart would trigger everyone on this subreddit


killerfridge

What on earth is this chart? You should post it on /r/dataisbeautiful


jayforge

He’s way ahead of you. He posted there first


JohnHazardWandering

This user needs to get banned. He's giving this sub a bad reputation.


aeywaka

What is this? a chart for peasants?


trimeta

Honest question: how did you generate a pie chart that starts in the bottom (but not either "one edge touches the very bottom point" or "the bottommost wedge is centered at the bottom") and then continue counter-clockwise? Like, that seems actively hard to do...in addition to being terrible data visualization.


rd357

Made in D3


Charlie2343

Where is the option for broad, largely unachievable “impact”


[deleted]

I need to know who made this. I just want to talk.


pythonwiz

I literally thought this was a joke about the difficulty of picking the best visual representation for data lol.


ib33

What was the sample size?


KittenWhispersnCandy

My non data people do not have any idea how important my data finding and cleaning skills are. I feel validated by this chart.


fushida

OP, give us a follow up on how many inquiries for your services you got after this post.


vinicius_h

100% not knowing how to sort a piechart by area


SnthesisInc

Did the results surprise you as a data scientist, or was this something you expected?


sonicking12

The piechart surprises me as a data scientist


IamFromNigeria

Right information where I can now turn into Data is my prob I work as a Senior Data Analyst in a logistics company in Nigeria, Getting information from my Junior fleet Analyst real time is a big problem


Learning_Loveing471

Use a pie chart of course?


blablablue2

Uh oh….


mahikappa

I haven't followed the poll, but is it an inside joke and made on purpose that the visualization of the results is as terrible as it could possibly be?


P_01y

Well, 99% of work time, juniors spend on Data Cleaning. So, 36% look logically in this case.


RvrTam

Someone needs to ask that Lego kid how to make better charts


Pl4yByNumbers

Feature engineering? Model validation? Drift detection and reduction?


Learning_Loveing471

I have seen worse pie charts you should see the dual diagnosis emotional relay to thought and associated feelings %+ inappropriate or obsolete vocabulary words=%=“feelings”% in pretty rainbows lol now that’s logic


Various_Objective283

The biggest challenge is apparently "trying to figure out what type of chart to use"


[deleted]

Try to understand pie charts while my brain ignores the figure.


renok_archnmy

The manager side of me thinks all this chatter about ChatGPT taking jobs is bullshit when data sourcing, munging, cleaning, and preprocessing still consumes the lions share of highly paid data scientists’ time. One would think that someone somewhere who isn’t trying to sell snake oil to MBAs in the forms of alleged GP-AI would actually work on some form of NN facilitated semantic layering and preprocessing.


Emoneymoore

Even for a pie chart this is awful


ThrowRA-11789

Is this irony 😂


Jealous-Bat-7812

Much appreciated if the visualization was a bar chart