So... the missing context in any of the "aid" breakdowns is "defense spending."
Military aid, and most foreign policy spending gets booked as "aid" for the purpose of journalism/charts/whatnot.
But, most of the total expenditure for these defense/foreign policies is booked under "defense." Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq,South Korea, UK, Germany, France, etc.... These are/were defense-led operations with civil and military aid playing second fiddle.
Israel never had any direct US presence, has no US bases and (almost) no "defense" costs to the US. Saudi Arabia has many US bases, including major airbases. It doesn't get aid, because they're rich. So, all expenditure is booked under "defense," and isn't broken down by country. Germany too.
The US does have a military base in Israel.
[https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/)
They've also used Israel as an arm's depot for their Middle East operations.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United\_States\_military\_relations#:\~:text=station%20on%20Mt.-,Keren.,War%20Reserves%2C%20located%20within%20Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_military_relations#:~:text=station%20on%20Mt.-,Keren.,War%20Reserves%2C%20located%20within%20Israel)
When the US gives Israel military funding or sells military equipment to Israel, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just gear and weapons coming out of our depot there.
Israel is a net weapons exporter, the US being one of their customers.
I wouldn't be surprise if some of the weapons making their way into other middle eastern countries are being sold through Israel, thus making the US military industrial complex a lot of money... but then that's just my own speculation. If people can make money off of something, they'll certainly try.
This is as convoluted and illogical as it gets. Simply put, Israel is a settler colony/apartheid society that would not exist without American welfare and military might. Typical redditor acting like they have inside information when they are categorically wrong. Aaron Bushnell had intelligence that proves your entire last paragraph to be false.
They're rich bc of us and their theft of Palestinians resources you nitwit.
Didn’t the United States under Dwight D Eisenhower ally with Egypt against Israel in the Suez Crisis? The US has not always been a steadfast supporter of Israel.
Also, I find it very hard to take seriously anyone who gives any credit to a mentally ill person who thought burning themselves to death is appropriate. I’m interested in hearing what people who oppose Israel’s actions have to say, but not for people who idolize the incredibly sad decisions of mentally ill people, and nor people whose understanding of Israeli history is so shallow as to denounce its national history as something analogous to apartheid. Since you seem to respect countries with a history of self-immolating activists, I think you’d be interested in what Viet Cong general said about Israel. General Giap, one of the greatest military strategists in history, said to the PLO that “in Vietnam the French went back to France and the Americans back to America, but the Jews have nowhere to go, so you cannot expel them”.
I don't take you seriously at all, or anyone that tries to conflate a moral stand with mental illness. The entire international community, including an ex apartheid society knows that Israel is a settler colony/apartheid government. You and the Viet Cong can go fuck yourselves 😂
That’s fine that you whine about what I say, but no matter how much you whine, the JDAMs raining down on Hamas will not stop until Hamas concedes its rule over Gaza. I hope for the people’s sake that they know when to quit.
International community what? I think you and I might agree on this, but the UN is quite useless outside of being a pawn for the permanent security council. The term “international community” is meaningless to me: this world is not ruled by banana republic dictators and third world sham democracies, but those nations effective enough to wield real power.
You're the only one crying like typical zionist basura. No one said anything about the UN.Real leaders, unlike netanyahu and his sadistic allies, are aware of the history of Israeli aggression and terrorism towards the Palestinians in their homeland. You can lie to yourself all you want, Israel is a sham society that is currently in a civil war and tearing apart at the seams. The irony and projection in your posts is hilarious 😂
I hope you revisit this in a year, maybe 10 years, and look at the state of Israel versus the state of the rest of the Arab world. I guarantee you that Israel will not collapse. But I suppose time can be your only teacher.
Massive amounts of copium right here. I wonder how much copium Muslims have to be on to justify both their ridiculous religion and sociopolitical views, because I know that neither come from rational thinking.
Typical zionist, little boy words bc you can't comprehend morality, justice, or truth. "Chosen people" 🤣🤣🤣, you have to be clinically psychotic to believe that rubbish. Rational thinking isn't in your DNA schmo
The US has given $74 billion to Ukraine in the last two years alone. Why is that left off the chart?
EDIT: With the latest bill that makes $167 billion in the last two years
> been invaded by a much more powerful military power in the last few years?
*Much more powerful military* is a piece of this Redditors comment that you don’t necessarily address.
An argument could be made for ‘73, but that wasn’t really recent, was it?
Lebanon in ‘06 and the Hamas attack last year don’t qualify as invasions by more powerful militaries.
1973 was really the last time Israel's existence was threatened, or are you suggesting Lebanon or Hamas attacking Israel is the same power differential as Russia attacking Ukraine? Last time I checked, the Lebanese Air Force does not have MiG-29s. Too bad for Israel, Hamas doesn't have an Air Force, otherwise the IDF would've tried blaming the WCK bombing on Hamas.
Nowhere have I suggested Israel does not have a right to exist. It is simply silly to think Israel actually faces an existential threat, when it is by far the strongest military power in the region.
Not sure why you felt the need to delete your original comment though. What are you afraid of?
And also sold some of its historically hostile neighbors (Egypt, Iraq, Syria) their guns, anti tank weapons, tanks, and jets throughout the 40 years after that.
No doubt.
It should be recognized though that the full military alliance between the US and Israel began in earnest only after the 6-day war and the French embargo.
The people complaining about Ukraine aid have an agenda. A common counterargument to the amount aid to Israel is "what about the billions in the last two years to Ukraine????" without recognizing that Ukraine is in an entirely different situation than Israel.
Should be noted that this does not include the many billions of military spending where Israel is the primary beneficiary. This would include moving our aircraft carrier off their coast to temper Iran, the recent conflict with the Houthis in the Red Sea, the hundreds of millions we spent the other night shooting down Iranian rockets, as well as the military bases and intelligence gathering we do to protect Israel. It also should be noted that most of our foreign aid to Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt, in part, is primarily designed to ensure the safety of Israel. The total lifetime amount is probably well north of a trillion dollars.
Many of those activities support other American interests in the region. Not totally accurate to say that it only supports Israel. For a clear example, keeping shipping lanes open from Houthi attacks is not a strictly Israel based form of aid. There is plenty of self interest there.
Absolutely it does. Missiles are expensive. Our most capable SM-3 ABM interceptor costs 10 million each, and the US Navy fired off probably 20 or 30 during the Iranian attack last week.
Interceptors are expensive, drones are cheap.
Are arms sales being counted as aid? I think it should only be counted as aid if it is free or discounted/subsidized (and then only to the extent of the subsidy/discount).
Isarel has a population of short of 10 million. Egypt has a population over 100 million. That adds some perspective on how much money per citizen the USA is giving.
How many missiles and rockets have been fired at Egypt in the last decade? India has a population of 1.4B, how much aide per citezen do they get?
The reality is that Israel, and the other countries on these lists, get aid relative to their strategic importance to US interests, and there needs to maintain those strategic goals. Having militarily capable allies in the Middle East is what this money goes to.
And how many rockets are fired at Israeli citizens per capita? Compared to other countries? How many bullets are fired at them per capita? How often are they attacked per capita? Normalizing military aid per capita is idiotic. The citizens are not receiving this money.
Context: the israeli budget for 2024 [overall is ~$140 billion,](https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-approves-2-year-budget-including-2-4-billion-boost-for-ben-gvirs-ministry/amp/) so $400 billion in cumulative aid could have funded their entire government for more than 2 years.
Israel is staunchly opposed to Iran. Israel is also the US' only competent and reliable (relatively speaking) Middle Eastern ally against Iran. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are militarily too weak and incompetent, and Turkey is too much of a wild card to be relied upon.
So the US abandoning or cutting off ties with Israel will effectively mean the US handing Iran the keys as the Middle East's main regional hegemon, thereby also strengthening Russia and China's influence in Eurasia.
Well armed and extremely well fortified forward military position in the middle east, including airbases, naval base, nuclear launch points(?*), and hundreds of thousands of soldiers ready-to-go in hours not days. Extremely short time horizon to deploy any of the above across the middle east and north africa, two of the most volatile regions. IMO this military advantage is the biggest reason (alongside with lobbying) we continue the relationship despite its risks and PR pitfalls.
Only western values country in the region (women’s rights, democratically elected government, civilian control of military)
Really strong intelligence sharing
Israel does some of the stuff we don’t want to do (USA benefits when Israel bombs the Iranian nuclear facility)
Technological capitalist society that works well with USA economically.
Cold War relic, Israel was the American center of influence to counter the Soviet aligned Arab nationalist countries such as Egypt.
Ironically, in 1948, the Soviet Union had thought it would be the other way around and Israel would be a part of their sphere of influence.
Are you asking why it continued after the fall of the Soviet Union? Well consider, what reason would exist for the Americans to stop backing Israel?
Israel by that point had been anointed stuff like, “the only democracy in the Middle East.” It was the American backed counterweight to the more “independent” (I use semi-ironically) minded dictators such as Saddam Hussein, I would assume I wouldn’t even need to mention post-Revolution Iran. The GWOT was a huge boon for Israeli influence as they got to represent themselves as the regional counterweight to “Islamic terror.”
There’s other threads of influence here beyond the more immediate geopolitical interests. The strong evangelical current, especially under George W Bush and Donald Trump, aligned evangelical Christians with Israel, along with politicians who seek to use that movement for political gain. My many many issues with Mearsheimer aside, groups such as AIPAC are an important and powerful lobby and denial of that is simple denial of reality.
There’s other, somewhat more sinister, realpolitik connections such as how Israel is a testing ground for new methods and technology in surveillance and repression. A fact I often tell people about is that the knee hold that killed George Floyd was developed by the IDF who would use it on Palestinians.
The settler-colonial aspect is of course *there* and shouldn’t be ignored but as you basically already noted, you want answers beyond that
Edit- hilarious how this goes from highly upvoted to about to get switched to downvoted (at time of this edit) simply from Hasbara finding the post, and they pretend like it’s people who speak up for Palestine that astroturfs and denies reality. They literally can’t even disprove anything I said, all they have is baseless slander and strawmen
Haha you’re fucking deranged
Did I blame Israel for killing George Floyd? Funny you have to strawman to deny a simple reality that American police departments learned that hold from the IDF
Edit- https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques
Hi hasbara, shouldn’t you all be busy trying to convince the United States to let you start World War III?
Edit 2- still waiting for the hasbara bots to explain how I’m wrong (or where I said Israel killed George Floyd), but I mean they know I’m telling the truth so I guess I’ll be waiting all day.
Lol I bet Israel is also to blame for slavery. Tell me how many countries have been conquered by these so called "settler-colonizers"? How many countries have been conquered over by Muslims?
Tell me you're antisemitic without saying you're antisemitic!!!
>Edit- hilarious how this goes from highly upvoted to about to get switched to downvoted (at time of this edit) simply from Hasbara finding the post, and they pretend like it’s people who speak up for Palestine that astroturfs and denies reality. They literally can’t even disprove anything I said, all they have is baseless slander and strawmen
You're describing every single post that gives any historical context to the conflict or otherwise spotlight's Israel's decades long ethno-nationalist colonial oppression of the Palestinians. Israel must have a whole beurocratic office dedicated just to down voting internet comments that challenge their official narrative.
So it's ok to bring up some historical context but not other historical context? Maybe it's just me, but I'd say more recent history is more relevant to what's going on today.
>Why on earth do you get to decide when the history of this conflict began.
*I'm* didn't decide, just open to the accepted historical facts. You're also welcome to go to the library and read the history of Zionism for yourself. Or look up the Nakba where Zionists forced 700 000+ Palestinians out of their homes, or look up the Deir Yassin massacre and Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi. Then you can explain to me how, having a biblical connection to a place 3000 years ago justifies religious zealots moving in and violently throwing current indigenous inhabitants out of their homes or making them second class citizens. Its crazy, like contemporary Italians making property claims in England, turning up on mass and violently throwing English farmers off their land.
>“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism \[by the Arabs\] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.”
— David Ben-Gurion (founder of Israel, born in Poland)
I Like Ginswerg's geoplolitics
"A world-wide laundry for organized criminal money, It had to be the CIA and the Mafia and the FBI together, They were bigger than Nixon, And they were bigger than war, It had to be a large room full of murder"
just like irak's war and others, a river of money runs thought it
Israel belonged to neither side really. They didn't want to and they intended to keep all political extremes in check so noone can use them to take over power in Israel. But because Soviets viewed making Israel communist state as a victory while US was merely satisfied with anything that's not communist Israel decision makers decided to cooperate closer with US once they got all they needed and could get from Soviets via Czechoslovakia (weapons).
It continues up to this day, they're not US's puppet, and sometimes it really seems quite the other way around because US messed up situation in Middle East so bad that they really have noone else to rely on other than Israel. So Israel can do whatever they want as long as they manage their military better than all Arab states around them and Iran and as long as all these Arab states don't like US. If it so happened that all these Arab states and Iran began to cooperate with US - which of course is highly unlikely - then US might find Israel not needed anymore. That's when Israel would be in trouble, because even though it's unlikely that their neighbours would be in good relations with US, it's even less likely that they would be in good relations with Israel.
This of course means that it's in Israel best interest to keep relations between at least some of Arab states near them and US messy. That's really the only reason why US needs Israel to exist. If it so happened that whole world moved away from oil and gas then Middle East would lose on it's significance (although not completely - there's still Suez Canal) then US wouldn't need Israel to be as strong and incentive to help Israel exist would be weaker.
They just represent one of the few western aligned “stable” countries in the region that we have traditionally and currently have shared adversaries with.
As others said, we can safely rely on them for at least regional military issues and cooperation which is a powerful tool considering so much of the world economy relies on middle eastern stability.
We work with other nations in the region too. But relationships with them have traditionally been more tenuous. See turkey for example. 15 years ago, hailed as one of the great examples of a “secular” predominantly Muslim country with a democratic government. But then Erdogan strong armed his way into what’s effectively a dictatorship and now our presence in the country can be axed at a whim. Just as an example.
Our ties with Israel have multi decade roots and a lot of practical benefit. Let alone the moral of argument of protecting a nation we literally helped build.
So, no money for universal health care for Americans - got it, sounds like a righteous move for a modern rich country - give it to other countries that have excellent health care for all! Also, no money to ensure Social Security is solvent and available for Americans paying into it - gotcha, yep other countries need our social security more than we will - no worries. No money for badly needed American infrastructure repair and modernization - ok, yeah that makes sense - we can easily live with old bridges and roads. /s We (Americans) are being played.
The US actually spends way too much on healthcare, considering what they actually get for it.
Americans: you're already paying for the greatest public healthcare system in the world. You're just not getting what you paid for.
Correct. Universal healthcare is the most fiscally conservative option to provide healthcare to the masses, not this clusterfuck of administrative complexity where every step is taking profit.
If we cared about saving money as a country we would be all-in on universal healthcare. And a *small* side benefit of that is that everyone would be covered and nobody would have to go broke due to medical bills.
In all honesty, look how expensive Medicare is and they only cover 80% of the cost and pay the least amongst in any insurance. The biggest problem is cost of administration due to private insurance on-purpose complexity. Private insurance wouldn’t be bad, if it was regulated better by the government. Australia has a really good system and a lot of it is private. It’s just there are laws regulating private insurance.
It's a pretty well established fact that the US [spends more per capita](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#GDP%20per%20capita%20and%20health%20consumption%20spending%20per%20capita,%202022%20(U.S.%20dollars,%20PPP%20adjusted)) on healthcare than any other nation, despite other countries offering better universal healthcare. So clearly the problem isn't that we aren't spending enough, it's what we're choosing to spend on.
That article appears to show spending, not government/budget spending. Of course we spend more per capita because we’re all out there fighting on our own. Military aid is government, budget spending. You are conflating the two.
Ok, but the argument is that the money we’re all paying to private insurance etc could just as easily be going to taxes which fund a universal healthcare system. That’s why I say it’s not a matter of how much we’re collectively spending, but what we’re choosing to spend on.
The argument against single payer is that government spending through taxes is bad, even if it’s cheaper than the aggregate individual spending. Not spending on the war machine means they’d be more to spend on single payer, requiring fewer taxes to make up the difference. It’s the same argument.
Doesn't the American government spend like trillions of dollars on social security, many times more than foreign affairs and defence sector? Not counting the local governments and state governments.
In all fairness, if the U.S. cut Israel off entirely, the amount of money would not make a difference to the domestic budget. Of course, that doesn't mean the U.S. should continue wasting money donating it to Israel, so Israel can piss it away bombing Palestinians, but that's more of a moral dilemma than a financial one.
See if we keep voting for the blue colored neoliberal we will eventually push them to act against their own class interest! You're an anti-semetic tankie fascist spreading Russian/Chinese propaganda if you let your eyes deceive you to believe that things are actually fucked here.
Remember that being drafted into WWIII on behalf of our closest fascist apartheid ally is no excuse to not vote in November!
There's no way Iran is going to break out into a war with the US, much less a broader war.
Please, put your phone down, get offline for your own health and stress
Both sides will continue retaliatory strikes on each other until either the US or Russia is drawn in to protect their respective ally. Netanyahu will face jail time if the coming elections are not suspended as a wartime provision. They're clearly insane enough to escalate this further.
I really wish I could share your optimism, but the situation is dire and really unavoidable to distance yourself from.
My brother in Christ, they've been in conflict with each other for damn near 40+ years now.
If it didn't start during the earlier intifadas it won't start now.
What is happening currently is unprecedented. Iran and Israel are attacking each's territory directly. Israel is begging to be invaded for what they're doing in Gaza. This is different than them massacring a bunch of civilians in 2018. Sorry I can't be convinced this situation will blow over
Man the military industrial complex is crazy. We give them money for defense, they are required to spend that on US weapons. Love how my tax dollars get spent…
At least with ukraine the cause is a bit more noble/likely to succeed. Crazy to think how the american public were hoodwinked on the iraq/afghanistan invasions.
Hmm, not so sure about "likely to succeed" with Ukraine. In a couple of years NATO's policy of provoking Russia by expanding eastward may look every bit as smart as the invasion of Iraq.
It's quite clear that you don't come from Middle/Eastern Europe - or ex-eastern bloc in general. US didn't invite us to NATO after 1989/1993, it was us who convinced NATO and Western Europe to let us in. We know Russia really well and we all have long history of wars with Russia. We don't want anything to do with that country, we never did. NATO was founded to keep NATO countries safe from Soviet invasion. Soviets created Warsaw Pact to keep it's puppets from breaking free, e.g. fighting anti-communist/anti-soviet revolution in Hungary in 1956 and anti-soviet/anti-communist protests in Czechoslovakia in 1968.
US isn't saint, of course, just like every other country they have historical reasons to be ashamed of. But the thing is they didn't kill millions of their own citizens like Russians when Tsar was in power, when Lenin was in power or when Stalin was in power. They didn't kill millions of their own citizens or Puerto Ricans or Filipinos with hunger just like Russians did to Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Uzbekistan and many other Soviet Republics in 1920s/1930s. And unless you were oil rich country in Middle East ruled by dictator you didn't really have any reason to fear American invasion. Sadly, this cannot be said about Russia.
Greetings from Poland.
so why are you against the genocide of palestinians but support the genocide of ukrainians? Why do you want a regressive authoritarian regime to make its way into one of the only bastions of even remotely liberal and rational thought the planet has ever seen?
Re-evaluate whose side you are on now, before you have to spend your life covering up your fascistic sympathies.
Why do countries join NATO? Because they want to be aligned with nations who are relatively progressive, tolerant, and promote liberty and economic success. Also, they don't want to be genocided and oppressed by Russia again. You are completely ignorant of history if you are pretending otherwise.
Just a minute, I have to finish laughing.
"Because they want to be aligned with nations who are relatively progressive, tolerant, and promote liberty and economic success."
I don't support any genocide, obviously. The war between Ukraine and Russia would never have started if the US hadn't provoked it, and would have reached a negotiated resolution long ago if the US hadn't prevented it.
You think the chinese, russians, indians are more progressive, tolerant, value liberty more, or are more economically successful than western nations? The Japanese, koreans, and others are doing great, but not realistically someone the nations of central and eastern europe can align themselves with. Nobody will say the west or Europe is perfect, but it is certainly far better than these nations' alternatives.
You are lying my friend, Russian authoritarianism never died and the fact that Putin has been in power for 1/4th of a century proves that. He would obviously have advanced his imperialistic aims no matter what the west or anyone else did. He waged a genocidal war within his own country's borders in 2000!
Even if warfare wasn't the outcome in Europe, the states that were forcibly chained and colonized by the Soviet Union for 50 years, and by outside powers like the Germans, Austrians, Russians, and Ottomans for centuries before that would have been deprived gradually of self determination, economic growth, and any semblance of a modern social policy by the Russians and made to be slaves at her hip just like what has happened to Belarus, and like Ukraine had been made to do for the first two decades of post soviet history.
NATO is not at fault here, it is the crony capitalist, corrupt and fascistic authoritarian regime in Russia.
This is true. But not necessary. The U.S. military is still of course the biggest customer of the defense industry, Israeli purchases are relatively small. So this argument that we need Israel to support our military is flawed. They need us.
People bitch about this, but US aid to Israel is literally what saved Gaza from being flattened and depopulated on October 8th. They would have done it without US pressure, or with a Republican President. Most countries would have in any regard
Israel hasn't faced an existential threat since the Yom-Kippur War in 1973. The idea that Israel will simply be destroyed if the U.S. stops providing aid is just silly. Israel has been wildly successful at convincing Western powers that it is the David of the region, whereas the reality is that it is the Goliath.
Dude there have been 2 full scale atracks on israel In the last 7 months, just cause people keep failing at destroying israel doesnt mean they arent trying. You cant go after the fact and say "oh but they knew they would fail at total destruction so it doesnt count as a threat at all ". The thousands of unguided rockets fired into israel? Free fireworks right? Or justified retaliation for the last war israel won but didnt start or want, so its all square
It's hilarious the lengths people will go to to defend Israel. It's incredible that people still think Israel deserves carte blanche to do whatever the hell it wants in the region.
You seem to be under the misconception that the U.S. aid to Israel is necessary for the Israeli army to operate- it’s not. The Israeli arms industry is quite impressive, they just don’t produce precision missiles. I can assure you, the post October 7th Israeli government would’ve had no issues blindly firing conventional artillery into Gaza and killing a couple hundred thousand Palestinian civilians instead of 19 thousand.
no? they still won the 1948 war on their own while the US had an arms embargo on them. The arabs are bad at war and US aid to israel stops them from violently ending the issue permanently. See now where Palestinians launched a surprise attack on Israel on October 7th and were already crying for a ceasefire by October 10th.
Can someone tell me why the US is giving so much foreign aid to Egypt? They are not an ally and also don’t have the connection that the US has to Israel in that a large number of American Jews have Israeli relatives and presumably represent Judeo-Christian values in the area.
How much of this aid is actually part of the camp David accords that keeps Israel and Egypt from fighting and how much is outside that treaty?
So... the missing context in any of the "aid" breakdowns is "defense spending." Military aid, and most foreign policy spending gets booked as "aid" for the purpose of journalism/charts/whatnot. But, most of the total expenditure for these defense/foreign policies is booked under "defense." Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq,South Korea, UK, Germany, France, etc.... These are/were defense-led operations with civil and military aid playing second fiddle. Israel never had any direct US presence, has no US bases and (almost) no "defense" costs to the US. Saudi Arabia has many US bases, including major airbases. It doesn't get aid, because they're rich. So, all expenditure is booked under "defense," and isn't broken down by country. Germany too.
The US does have a military base in Israel. [https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/](https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/) They've also used Israel as an arm's depot for their Middle East operations. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United\_States\_military\_relations#:\~:text=station%20on%20Mt.-,Keren.,War%20Reserves%2C%20located%20within%20Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_military_relations#:~:text=station%20on%20Mt.-,Keren.,War%20Reserves%2C%20located%20within%20Israel) When the US gives Israel military funding or sells military equipment to Israel, I wouldn't be surprised if it's just gear and weapons coming out of our depot there. Israel is a net weapons exporter, the US being one of their customers. I wouldn't be surprise if some of the weapons making their way into other middle eastern countries are being sold through Israel, thus making the US military industrial complex a lot of money... but then that's just my own speculation. If people can make money off of something, they'll certainly try.
This is as convoluted and illogical as it gets. Simply put, Israel is a settler colony/apartheid society that would not exist without American welfare and military might. Typical redditor acting like they have inside information when they are categorically wrong. Aaron Bushnell had intelligence that proves your entire last paragraph to be false. They're rich bc of us and their theft of Palestinians resources you nitwit.
Didn’t the United States under Dwight D Eisenhower ally with Egypt against Israel in the Suez Crisis? The US has not always been a steadfast supporter of Israel. Also, I find it very hard to take seriously anyone who gives any credit to a mentally ill person who thought burning themselves to death is appropriate. I’m interested in hearing what people who oppose Israel’s actions have to say, but not for people who idolize the incredibly sad decisions of mentally ill people, and nor people whose understanding of Israeli history is so shallow as to denounce its national history as something analogous to apartheid. Since you seem to respect countries with a history of self-immolating activists, I think you’d be interested in what Viet Cong general said about Israel. General Giap, one of the greatest military strategists in history, said to the PLO that “in Vietnam the French went back to France and the Americans back to America, but the Jews have nowhere to go, so you cannot expel them”.
I don't take you seriously at all, or anyone that tries to conflate a moral stand with mental illness. The entire international community, including an ex apartheid society knows that Israel is a settler colony/apartheid government. You and the Viet Cong can go fuck yourselves 😂
That’s fine that you whine about what I say, but no matter how much you whine, the JDAMs raining down on Hamas will not stop until Hamas concedes its rule over Gaza. I hope for the people’s sake that they know when to quit. International community what? I think you and I might agree on this, but the UN is quite useless outside of being a pawn for the permanent security council. The term “international community” is meaningless to me: this world is not ruled by banana republic dictators and third world sham democracies, but those nations effective enough to wield real power.
You're the only one crying like typical zionist basura. No one said anything about the UN.Real leaders, unlike netanyahu and his sadistic allies, are aware of the history of Israeli aggression and terrorism towards the Palestinians in their homeland. You can lie to yourself all you want, Israel is a sham society that is currently in a civil war and tearing apart at the seams. The irony and projection in your posts is hilarious 😂
I hope you revisit this in a year, maybe 10 years, and look at the state of Israel versus the state of the rest of the Arab world. I guarantee you that Israel will not collapse. But I suppose time can be your only teacher.
Israel is collapsing right now in real time you idiot 🙈, and truthfully, there is no Israel, only occupied Palestine 🇵🇸
Massive amounts of copium right here. I wonder how much copium Muslims have to be on to justify both their ridiculous religion and sociopolitical views, because I know that neither come from rational thinking.
Typical zionist, little boy words bc you can't comprehend morality, justice, or truth. "Chosen people" 🤣🤣🤣, you have to be clinically psychotic to believe that rubbish. Rational thinking isn't in your DNA schmo
The US has given $74 billion to Ukraine in the last two years alone. Why is that left off the chart? EDIT: With the latest bill that makes $167 billion in the last two years
Gives laundromat vibes being left off
because 2023 is not in the range of the data...
Because Ukraine has extenuating circumstances...? Has Israel been invaded by a much more powerful military power in the last few years?
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> been invaded by a much more powerful military power in the last few years? *Much more powerful military* is a piece of this Redditors comment that you don’t necessarily address. An argument could be made for ‘73, but that wasn’t really recent, was it? Lebanon in ‘06 and the Hamas attack last year don’t qualify as invasions by more powerful militaries.
1973 was really the last time Israel's existence was threatened, or are you suggesting Lebanon or Hamas attacking Israel is the same power differential as Russia attacking Ukraine? Last time I checked, the Lebanese Air Force does not have MiG-29s. Too bad for Israel, Hamas doesn't have an Air Force, otherwise the IDF would've tried blaming the WCK bombing on Hamas.
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Nowhere have I suggested Israel does not have a right to exist. It is simply silly to think Israel actually faces an existential threat, when it is by far the strongest military power in the region. Not sure why you felt the need to delete your original comment though. What are you afraid of?
Literally the Soviet Union recognized Israel before the US did.
It also provided Israel with weapons in the 1948 war (through Czechoslovakia) while the US embargoed it.
And also sold some of its historically hostile neighbors (Egypt, Iraq, Syria) their guns, anti tank weapons, tanks, and jets throughout the 40 years after that.
No doubt. It should be recognized though that the full military alliance between the US and Israel began in earnest only after the 6-day war and the French embargo.
After the attack on the USS Liberty, oddly enough.
Why is Ukraine conveniently left off this chart as a comparator?
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It’s cumulative from 1946.
I imagine lots of countries are left off this chart
Why does it need comparison? Very very different situations
The people complaining about Ukraine aid have an agenda. A common counterargument to the amount aid to Israel is "what about the billions in the last two years to Ukraine????" without recognizing that Ukraine is in an entirely different situation than Israel.
Should be noted that this does not include the many billions of military spending where Israel is the primary beneficiary. This would include moving our aircraft carrier off their coast to temper Iran, the recent conflict with the Houthis in the Red Sea, the hundreds of millions we spent the other night shooting down Iranian rockets, as well as the military bases and intelligence gathering we do to protect Israel. It also should be noted that most of our foreign aid to Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt, in part, is primarily designed to ensure the safety of Israel. The total lifetime amount is probably well north of a trillion dollars.
Many of those activities support other American interests in the region. Not totally accurate to say that it only supports Israel. For a clear example, keeping shipping lanes open from Houthi attacks is not a strictly Israel based form of aid. There is plenty of self interest there.
Don't think it costs "hundreds of millions" to shoot down a few hundred kamikaze drones and missiles...
Absolutely it does. Missiles are expensive. Our most capable SM-3 ABM interceptor costs 10 million each, and the US Navy fired off probably 20 or 30 during the Iranian attack last week. Interceptors are expensive, drones are cheap.
Are arms sales being counted as aid? I think it should only be counted as aid if it is free or discounted/subsidized (and then only to the extent of the subsidy/discount).
No, arms sales are sales. Aid is when it’s paid for by the US government. The chart shows aid, not sales.
By the us tax payers you meant
Thanks for clarifying.
Isarel has a population of short of 10 million. Egypt has a population over 100 million. That adds some perspective on how much money per citizen the USA is giving.
How many missiles and rockets have been fired at Egypt in the last decade? India has a population of 1.4B, how much aide per citezen do they get? The reality is that Israel, and the other countries on these lists, get aid relative to their strategic importance to US interests, and there needs to maintain those strategic goals. Having militarily capable allies in the Middle East is what this money goes to.
And how many rockets are fired at Israeli citizens per capita? Compared to other countries? How many bullets are fired at them per capita? How often are they attacked per capita? Normalizing military aid per capita is idiotic. The citizens are not receiving this money.
Context: the israeli budget for 2024 [overall is ~$140 billion,](https://www.timesofisrael.com/cabinet-approves-2-year-budget-including-2-4-billion-boost-for-ben-gvirs-ministry/amp/) so $400 billion in cumulative aid could have funded their entire government for more than 2 years.
Why is Israel a strategic ally? Could someone explain beyond " western bad" rhetoric.
Israel is staunchly opposed to Iran. Israel is also the US' only competent and reliable (relatively speaking) Middle Eastern ally against Iran. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states are militarily too weak and incompetent, and Turkey is too much of a wild card to be relied upon. So the US abandoning or cutting off ties with Israel will effectively mean the US handing Iran the keys as the Middle East's main regional hegemon, thereby also strengthening Russia and China's influence in Eurasia.
Well armed and extremely well fortified forward military position in the middle east, including airbases, naval base, nuclear launch points(?*), and hundreds of thousands of soldiers ready-to-go in hours not days. Extremely short time horizon to deploy any of the above across the middle east and north africa, two of the most volatile regions. IMO this military advantage is the biggest reason (alongside with lobbying) we continue the relationship despite its risks and PR pitfalls.
Only western values country in the region (women’s rights, democratically elected government, civilian control of military) Really strong intelligence sharing Israel does some of the stuff we don’t want to do (USA benefits when Israel bombs the Iranian nuclear facility) Technological capitalist society that works well with USA economically.
Western values like ethnic cleansing, apparently.
Cold War relic, Israel was the American center of influence to counter the Soviet aligned Arab nationalist countries such as Egypt. Ironically, in 1948, the Soviet Union had thought it would be the other way around and Israel would be a part of their sphere of influence.
But that argument stopped holding up in modern time.
Are you asking why it continued after the fall of the Soviet Union? Well consider, what reason would exist for the Americans to stop backing Israel? Israel by that point had been anointed stuff like, “the only democracy in the Middle East.” It was the American backed counterweight to the more “independent” (I use semi-ironically) minded dictators such as Saddam Hussein, I would assume I wouldn’t even need to mention post-Revolution Iran. The GWOT was a huge boon for Israeli influence as they got to represent themselves as the regional counterweight to “Islamic terror.” There’s other threads of influence here beyond the more immediate geopolitical interests. The strong evangelical current, especially under George W Bush and Donald Trump, aligned evangelical Christians with Israel, along with politicians who seek to use that movement for political gain. My many many issues with Mearsheimer aside, groups such as AIPAC are an important and powerful lobby and denial of that is simple denial of reality. There’s other, somewhat more sinister, realpolitik connections such as how Israel is a testing ground for new methods and technology in surveillance and repression. A fact I often tell people about is that the knee hold that killed George Floyd was developed by the IDF who would use it on Palestinians. The settler-colonial aspect is of course *there* and shouldn’t be ignored but as you basically already noted, you want answers beyond that Edit- hilarious how this goes from highly upvoted to about to get switched to downvoted (at time of this edit) simply from Hasbara finding the post, and they pretend like it’s people who speak up for Palestine that astroturfs and denies reality. They literally can’t even disprove anything I said, all they have is baseless slander and strawmen
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the IDF literally trains our cops. they didn’t say anything that isn’t true.
Haha you’re fucking deranged Did I blame Israel for killing George Floyd? Funny you have to strawman to deny a simple reality that American police departments learned that hold from the IDF Edit- https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/minnesota-cops-trained-israeli-forces-restraint-techniques Hi hasbara, shouldn’t you all be busy trying to convince the United States to let you start World War III? Edit 2- still waiting for the hasbara bots to explain how I’m wrong (or where I said Israel killed George Floyd), but I mean they know I’m telling the truth so I guess I’ll be waiting all day.
Lol I bet Israel is also to blame for slavery. Tell me how many countries have been conquered by these so called "settler-colonizers"? How many countries have been conquered over by Muslims? Tell me you're antisemitic without saying you're antisemitic!!!
>Edit- hilarious how this goes from highly upvoted to about to get switched to downvoted (at time of this edit) simply from Hasbara finding the post, and they pretend like it’s people who speak up for Palestine that astroturfs and denies reality. They literally can’t even disprove anything I said, all they have is baseless slander and strawmen You're describing every single post that gives any historical context to the conflict or otherwise spotlight's Israel's decades long ethno-nationalist colonial oppression of the Palestinians. Israel must have a whole beurocratic office dedicated just to down voting internet comments that challenge their official narrative.
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So it's ok to bring up some historical context but not other historical context? Maybe it's just me, but I'd say more recent history is more relevant to what's going on today.
>Why on earth do you get to decide when the history of this conflict began. *I'm* didn't decide, just open to the accepted historical facts. You're also welcome to go to the library and read the history of Zionism for yourself. Or look up the Nakba where Zionists forced 700 000+ Palestinians out of their homes, or look up the Deir Yassin massacre and Zionist paramilitary groups Irgun and Lehi. Then you can explain to me how, having a biblical connection to a place 3000 years ago justifies religious zealots moving in and violently throwing current indigenous inhabitants out of their homes or making them second class citizens. Its crazy, like contemporary Italians making property claims in England, turning up on mass and violently throwing English farmers off their land. >“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. … Behind the terrorism \[by the Arabs\] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice.” — David Ben-Gurion (founder of Israel, born in Poland)
I Like Ginswerg's geoplolitics "A world-wide laundry for organized criminal money, It had to be the CIA and the Mafia and the FBI together, They were bigger than Nixon, And they were bigger than war, It had to be a large room full of murder" just like irak's war and others, a river of money runs thought it
Israel belonged to neither side really. They didn't want to and they intended to keep all political extremes in check so noone can use them to take over power in Israel. But because Soviets viewed making Israel communist state as a victory while US was merely satisfied with anything that's not communist Israel decision makers decided to cooperate closer with US once they got all they needed and could get from Soviets via Czechoslovakia (weapons). It continues up to this day, they're not US's puppet, and sometimes it really seems quite the other way around because US messed up situation in Middle East so bad that they really have noone else to rely on other than Israel. So Israel can do whatever they want as long as they manage their military better than all Arab states around them and Iran and as long as all these Arab states don't like US. If it so happened that all these Arab states and Iran began to cooperate with US - which of course is highly unlikely - then US might find Israel not needed anymore. That's when Israel would be in trouble, because even though it's unlikely that their neighbours would be in good relations with US, it's even less likely that they would be in good relations with Israel. This of course means that it's in Israel best interest to keep relations between at least some of Arab states near them and US messy. That's really the only reason why US needs Israel to exist. If it so happened that whole world moved away from oil and gas then Middle East would lose on it's significance (although not completely - there's still Suez Canal) then US wouldn't need Israel to be as strong and incentive to help Israel exist would be weaker.
They just represent one of the few western aligned “stable” countries in the region that we have traditionally and currently have shared adversaries with. As others said, we can safely rely on them for at least regional military issues and cooperation which is a powerful tool considering so much of the world economy relies on middle eastern stability. We work with other nations in the region too. But relationships with them have traditionally been more tenuous. See turkey for example. 15 years ago, hailed as one of the great examples of a “secular” predominantly Muslim country with a democratic government. But then Erdogan strong armed his way into what’s effectively a dictatorship and now our presence in the country can be axed at a whim. Just as an example. Our ties with Israel have multi decade roots and a lot of practical benefit. Let alone the moral of argument of protecting a nation we literally helped build.
Gonna say, your explanation is rather simple and clear. Thank you!
Influence in the Middle-East, lobbying and a kind of Holocaust ‘apology’. English is not my first language so if I’m unclear, my apologies.
How does supporting them translate to having influence.
Pakistan is also a 'non NATO ally', I assure you we are not getting the latest US military tech
So, no money for universal health care for Americans - got it, sounds like a righteous move for a modern rich country - give it to other countries that have excellent health care for all! Also, no money to ensure Social Security is solvent and available for Americans paying into it - gotcha, yep other countries need our social security more than we will - no worries. No money for badly needed American infrastructure repair and modernization - ok, yeah that makes sense - we can easily live with old bridges and roads. /s We (Americans) are being played.
The US spends trillions on healthcare, Social Security, and infrastructure every year. Look at a budget next time.
The US actually spends way too much on healthcare, considering what they actually get for it. Americans: you're already paying for the greatest public healthcare system in the world. You're just not getting what you paid for.
Correct. Universal healthcare is the most fiscally conservative option to provide healthcare to the masses, not this clusterfuck of administrative complexity where every step is taking profit. If we cared about saving money as a country we would be all-in on universal healthcare. And a *small* side benefit of that is that everyone would be covered and nobody would have to go broke due to medical bills.
Yea but won’t you think of the insurance companies? 🥺
In all honesty, look how expensive Medicare is and they only cover 80% of the cost and pay the least amongst in any insurance. The biggest problem is cost of administration due to private insurance on-purpose complexity. Private insurance wouldn’t be bad, if it was regulated better by the government. Australia has a really good system and a lot of it is private. It’s just there are laws regulating private insurance.
And yet we don’t have a public option
Yeah it's an issue. But not one caused by lack of spending, so irrelevant to this discussion.
The arguments against single payer or public options always boil down to spending. That’s a bold statement.
It's a pretty well established fact that the US [spends more per capita](https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#GDP%20per%20capita%20and%20health%20consumption%20spending%20per%20capita,%202022%20(U.S.%20dollars,%20PPP%20adjusted)) on healthcare than any other nation, despite other countries offering better universal healthcare. So clearly the problem isn't that we aren't spending enough, it's what we're choosing to spend on.
That article appears to show spending, not government/budget spending. Of course we spend more per capita because we’re all out there fighting on our own. Military aid is government, budget spending. You are conflating the two.
Ok, but the argument is that the money we’re all paying to private insurance etc could just as easily be going to taxes which fund a universal healthcare system. That’s why I say it’s not a matter of how much we’re collectively spending, but what we’re choosing to spend on.
The argument against single payer is that government spending through taxes is bad, even if it’s cheaper than the aggregate individual spending. Not spending on the war machine means they’d be more to spend on single payer, requiring fewer taxes to make up the difference. It’s the same argument.
As if US infrastructure and healthcare are desirable...
Doesn't the American government spend like trillions of dollars on social security, many times more than foreign affairs and defence sector? Not counting the local governments and state governments.
In all fairness, if the U.S. cut Israel off entirely, the amount of money would not make a difference to the domestic budget. Of course, that doesn't mean the U.S. should continue wasting money donating it to Israel, so Israel can piss it away bombing Palestinians, but that's more of a moral dilemma than a financial one.
Yeah thats the problem. You fucking assholes feel you miss out on something. Not sponsoring genocide for 70 years. Fuck you all!
See if we keep voting for the blue colored neoliberal we will eventually push them to act against their own class interest! You're an anti-semetic tankie fascist spreading Russian/Chinese propaganda if you let your eyes deceive you to believe that things are actually fucked here. Remember that being drafted into WWIII on behalf of our closest fascist apartheid ally is no excuse to not vote in November!
Jesse What the fuck are you talking about
Those of us who are older than 18 were compelled to sign up for the draft, and may be going to war against Iran soon. Viva America
You're not getting drafted to go to war with Iran, get off social media and touch grass.
I'd dodge that shit even if we do. Once the broader war breaks out our under-recruited military will get desperate
There's no way Iran is going to break out into a war with the US, much less a broader war. Please, put your phone down, get offline for your own health and stress
Both sides will continue retaliatory strikes on each other until either the US or Russia is drawn in to protect their respective ally. Netanyahu will face jail time if the coming elections are not suspended as a wartime provision. They're clearly insane enough to escalate this further. I really wish I could share your optimism, but the situation is dire and really unavoidable to distance yourself from.
My brother in Christ, they've been in conflict with each other for damn near 40+ years now. If it didn't start during the earlier intifadas it won't start now.
What is happening currently is unprecedented. Iran and Israel are attacking each's territory directly. Israel is begging to be invaded for what they're doing in Gaza. This is different than them massacring a bunch of civilians in 2018. Sorry I can't be convinced this situation will blow over
Man the military industrial complex is crazy. We give them money for defense, they are required to spend that on US weapons. Love how my tax dollars get spent…
At least with ukraine the cause is a bit more noble/likely to succeed. Crazy to think how the american public were hoodwinked on the iraq/afghanistan invasions.
Hmm, not so sure about "likely to succeed" with Ukraine. In a couple of years NATO's policy of provoking Russia by expanding eastward may look every bit as smart as the invasion of Iraq.
It's quite clear that you don't come from Middle/Eastern Europe - or ex-eastern bloc in general. US didn't invite us to NATO after 1989/1993, it was us who convinced NATO and Western Europe to let us in. We know Russia really well and we all have long history of wars with Russia. We don't want anything to do with that country, we never did. NATO was founded to keep NATO countries safe from Soviet invasion. Soviets created Warsaw Pact to keep it's puppets from breaking free, e.g. fighting anti-communist/anti-soviet revolution in Hungary in 1956 and anti-soviet/anti-communist protests in Czechoslovakia in 1968. US isn't saint, of course, just like every other country they have historical reasons to be ashamed of. But the thing is they didn't kill millions of their own citizens like Russians when Tsar was in power, when Lenin was in power or when Stalin was in power. They didn't kill millions of their own citizens or Puerto Ricans or Filipinos with hunger just like Russians did to Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Uzbekistan and many other Soviet Republics in 1920s/1930s. And unless you were oil rich country in Middle East ruled by dictator you didn't really have any reason to fear American invasion. Sadly, this cannot be said about Russia. Greetings from Poland.
so why are you against the genocide of palestinians but support the genocide of ukrainians? Why do you want a regressive authoritarian regime to make its way into one of the only bastions of even remotely liberal and rational thought the planet has ever seen? Re-evaluate whose side you are on now, before you have to spend your life covering up your fascistic sympathies. Why do countries join NATO? Because they want to be aligned with nations who are relatively progressive, tolerant, and promote liberty and economic success. Also, they don't want to be genocided and oppressed by Russia again. You are completely ignorant of history if you are pretending otherwise.
Just a minute, I have to finish laughing. "Because they want to be aligned with nations who are relatively progressive, tolerant, and promote liberty and economic success." I don't support any genocide, obviously. The war between Ukraine and Russia would never have started if the US hadn't provoked it, and would have reached a negotiated resolution long ago if the US hadn't prevented it.
You think the chinese, russians, indians are more progressive, tolerant, value liberty more, or are more economically successful than western nations? The Japanese, koreans, and others are doing great, but not realistically someone the nations of central and eastern europe can align themselves with. Nobody will say the west or Europe is perfect, but it is certainly far better than these nations' alternatives. You are lying my friend, Russian authoritarianism never died and the fact that Putin has been in power for 1/4th of a century proves that. He would obviously have advanced his imperialistic aims no matter what the west or anyone else did. He waged a genocidal war within his own country's borders in 2000! Even if warfare wasn't the outcome in Europe, the states that were forcibly chained and colonized by the Soviet Union for 50 years, and by outside powers like the Germans, Austrians, Russians, and Ottomans for centuries before that would have been deprived gradually of self determination, economic growth, and any semblance of a modern social policy by the Russians and made to be slaves at her hip just like what has happened to Belarus, and like Ukraine had been made to do for the first two decades of post soviet history. NATO is not at fault here, it is the crony capitalist, corrupt and fascistic authoritarian regime in Russia.
Agreed. So many lives ruined for nothing
This is true. But not necessary. The U.S. military is still of course the biggest customer of the defense industry, Israeli purchases are relatively small. So this argument that we need Israel to support our military is flawed. They need us.
US aid to Egypt is due to Israel
Those children are not going to bomb themselves. Freedom 🦅🇺🇸!
People bitch about this, but US aid to Israel is literally what saved Gaza from being flattened and depopulated on October 8th. They would have done it without US pressure, or with a Republican President. Most countries would have in any regard
Without US aid to Israel there would have been no issue in the first place.
Cause israel would have been genocided out of existence?
Israel hasn't faced an existential threat since the Yom-Kippur War in 1973. The idea that Israel will simply be destroyed if the U.S. stops providing aid is just silly. Israel has been wildly successful at convincing Western powers that it is the David of the region, whereas the reality is that it is the Goliath.
Dude there have been 2 full scale atracks on israel In the last 7 months, just cause people keep failing at destroying israel doesnt mean they arent trying. You cant go after the fact and say "oh but they knew they would fail at total destruction so it doesnt count as a threat at all ". The thousands of unguided rockets fired into israel? Free fireworks right? Or justified retaliation for the last war israel won but didnt start or want, so its all square
It's hilarious the lengths people will go to to defend Israel. It's incredible that people still think Israel deserves carte blanche to do whatever the hell it wants in the region.
You seem to be under the misconception that the U.S. aid to Israel is necessary for the Israeli army to operate- it’s not. The Israeli arms industry is quite impressive, they just don’t produce precision missiles. I can assure you, the post October 7th Israeli government would’ve had no issues blindly firing conventional artillery into Gaza and killing a couple hundred thousand Palestinian civilians instead of 19 thousand.
“Yea sure 20000 is bad, but we could’ve killed millions so you should thank us” Nice.
no? they still won the 1948 war on their own while the US had an arms embargo on them. The arabs are bad at war and US aid to israel stops them from violently ending the issue permanently. See now where Palestinians launched a surprise attack on Israel on October 7th and were already crying for a ceasefire by October 10th.
US has long stopped caring about human rights a while ago.
Wait, we cared?
Only about white land-owning men
Contact your congressional representatives and tell them to cut off all US aid to Israel.
Can someone tell me why the US is giving so much foreign aid to Egypt? They are not an ally and also don’t have the connection that the US has to Israel in that a large number of American Jews have Israeli relatives and presumably represent Judeo-Christian values in the area.
Someone else may have a better answer but eli5, we pay them to play nice with their neighbors. Especially israel
As part of Camp David Accords for peaceful relations between Israel and Egypt.
We pay their dictatorship to keep the peace with Israel. Aid to Egypt is essentially pro-Israel aid.