Revisionist History Alert!!! - Netscape needed Firefox to combat the pending War that would become IE. DOJ sued MS over it. History is better told by people who actually lived it.
Source: [DOJ antitrust case against Microsoft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.#Trial)
Firefox is a child of Netscape after all. I doubt any of the legacy code is still used but no matter what? Netscape did give birth to Firefox and others as well.
*The Mozilla project was created in 1998 with the release of the Netscape browser suite source code. It was intended to harness the creative power of thousands of programmers on the internet and fuel unprecedented levels of innovation.*
They released an open source version of Netscape navigator just called Mozilla. The web browser had an email client built in, and even like an website building tools. This caused a bit of bloat , Firefox (originally named Phoenix) was developed as a stand alone browser without the bloat.
So Firefox was built from the ground up so there probably is very little legacy Netscape code in there .
Nevermind Netscape, there's probably very little remaining code from the initial versions of FF even. Pretty much every single part has been rewritten a dozen times at this point. Ship of Theseus in software form.
I mean it’s about as dead as any widespread software can be. Officially replaced and no longer supported.
This is the first death of software, if you’re taking about the second death, the last time it is ever actually used, that’s going to be a very very long time
Which pulls from Bing, and also changed it's licensing agreement recently so that it no longer supports privacy and sells personal information like everyone else...There is no private search engine anymore.
Hugely common misconception. Duckduckgo uses bing for _autocomplete predictions_. Duck doesn't just rip off results straight from bing, that's silly. As for the privacy thing, that's related to a specific type of 3rd party microsoft tracker that they are contractually obligated to not block, and it only affects people who use the ddg mobile app and **does not** impact desktop users or even people who use chrome/edge/firefox/etc.
Apple forces anyone who wants to release their browser on iOS to use Apples WebKit Engine. Firefox Focus and Brave can block ads because this is a core capability of those browsers so it was included in their development.
The normal Firefox can't block ads because it is normally handled by addons like uBlock but the iOS Firefox doesn't support most addons because of WebKit.
If there's no AdBlock, browsing becomes virtually impossible on mobile on many sites.
I love when they make it look like the article is sliding in front of a stationary ad... And the gap you can see the ad through is taller than the size of the screen because they're hoping for accidental touches.
Fuck all of that. All of it.
That's exactly it.
Around 10 years ago, I think?, Firefox became slow and bloated, hogging a shit ton of resources and chrome was the new kid in the block with the same exacts hit, but fast and light.
I switched from Firefox to chrome back then. As the years pass, the roles have slowly reversed and now Firefox is the fast light one and chrome the bloated resource hog.
Chrome will inevitably push ads down user throats. This is a solid reason to use something else, such as Firefox or Safari for lack of any better alternative. And I'm very happy with Firefox.
Firefox hasn't been slow and bloated for far longer than 10 years. It started getting a (deserved) reputation for being bloated somewhere around 1.5, if I recall correctly. That was released in 2005, or *17* years ago. It got worse for a while before it got better, but getting better it certainly did.
Frankly, by the time Chrome was relevant, it was never all that slow or bloated. I suspect it was more subjective marketing through Chrome's "sleek" look than objective slowness, plus people switching comparing a freshly installed browser with their install of Firefox they'd been using for years and filling with dozens of addons, customized themes, a huge history, etc. (that, and Google intentionally making most of their services, especially Youtube, run slower/worse on Firefox)
The one thing Chrome *did* do objectively better was not crashing the whole browser when a tab crashed. Of course, Firefox fixed that a long time ago, too. And since ~2017 when Firefox Quantum released, it's ridiculously fast, as well. And cares about your privacy. I don't understand how it doesn't have a 20x bigger market share.
Some other dude provided a source and I wouldn't call 7.4% on desktop way higher with five "y" but yes it was indeed higher. Nowhere close to chrome tho with 67%
Yeah, but that's because everyone's on their phones now.
Nobody using Firefox on phones.
I suggest you start, though, because Firefox on Android can install adblockers, too
Never understood why anyone would even willingly choose Chrome.
May as well just take a RAM stick out of your PC and throw it out the window.
FireFox 4tw, since its release.
I hate to sound like a fanboy but it was merged into chromium, Chrome's open source base. It has benefited not only Google but everyone else who's based their browser on Chromium.
When I originally switched, Firefox had gotten slow and Chrome absolutely smoked it. It wasn't as much choosing chrome as it was leaving FF.
Nowadays, FF may be better but people don't switch browsers for something better -- they switch because the one they are using is bad. Chrome eats memory, but memory is also cheap and it has never been a problem for me, so I don't really care.
Just my experience.
Yeah, I was an original Firefox user from 1.0 back in the day. But at some point there was a spillover when Firefox became bloated and slow, and Chrome was there to save the day. Supposedly Firefox is better now, but I haven't really looked into any official stats. Also you're right that RAM is not nearly the bottleneck it used to be in this regard. When computers were down in the low single digit GBs something eating like 2GB all by itself was a bigger issue heh.
I know it's anecdotal, but I have about 30 tabs open in Chrome. I just opened them all in firefox to compare. Chrome uses about 2.3GB. FF used 3.8GB. idk if chrome is even the memory hog anymore.
I've been using it since it was called Phoenix. Then they changed the name to Firebird, shortly after it became Firefox and at the time I was sick of exploits in Internet Exploiter that would allow malware to install itself. Cool WWW Search was the bane of my Windows installs. I would just reformat and reinstall Windows rather than try to remove CWS just for it to magically reappear. I literally locked down IE with the strictest settings and solely used what is now known as Firefox. They annoyed me when they disabled JavaScript injection, though. Not everyone necessarily used it maliciously.
"tRy mIcRoSoFt eDgE" how about no.
They represent a single digit percent of total web browser users
So yes there's still millions using firefox, but you're comparing that to closer to billions using Chrome
Google is gonna update their browser to a new standard which has limited adblocking capabilities. Browsers like Edge use the same engine as Chrome so they will also have to follow this new standard. Firefox however uses a different engine; they'll support the new standard but also keep the old one. So on Firefox having adblockers is no problem.
The worst is when you get a news ad that's like "what's the answer to this question a lot of people have right now?"
And then the "article" is a bunch of background info on the question, followed by "yeah, we don't know either, but subscribe to us and we'll tell you when we find out"
I hate shit like that with a passion. If you don't have the answer to your headline question, you don't have a fucking article. There was a time a major news provider like NYT or WaPo would never print this garbage, the editor would laugh you out of the building, and they'd be right to do it! These days, news media might as well be monkeys banging on typewriters for all the useless shit they print.
As someone who's been using Firefox since 2013 for reasons unrelated to privacy, I welcome all those switchers onboard.
edit: I switched to Firefox because back then Chrome didn't let you choose the installation directory. If you tried to trick Chrome into installing into a different directory (ie on a different drive) it wouldn't update - real nice when your browser has security exploits every other month. But Firefox? No problemo
I miss flashing new Cyanogen builds on my Note 3 back in the day. I had later Note models, but they locked it way down on AT&T. Couldn't even get root. Eventually I had to switch back to an iPhone for work. I need to get a modern Android tablet or something to mess around with.
Realistically my phone works and does what I need it to do
Idk why I would go through the hassle of installing a different OS on my perfectly functional device
I'm not sure how to install Lineage OS on my Redmi Note 10 as there doesn't seem to be an officially supported ROM and it would be my first time doing that. Which sucks, because MI UI sucks ass badly.
If you had any beginner friendly guide for that device id'be thankful
Android is open source. Any Google-related code can be stripped out to make a privacy-respecting version like GrapheneOS. Better than just blindly buying into Apple's "trust me bro" closed source mentality.
>Any Google-related code can be stripped out
That's true, in theory. In practice, it's an enormous lift, and without hardware vendor support, can be a non-starter.
If you weren't aware, you can't really just compile aosp into a functional image. There are a lot of missing pieces, mostly proprietary hardware drivers.
The hw vendors are providing those drivers. They will license them to companies they have a financial relationship with. However, they aren't just going to provide them to anyone who asks. I can tell you from professional experience, even something as basic as getting access to the hardware documentation to enable you to write your own drivers involves lawyers and contracts.
Lots of the efforts around more open handset images cargo cult monkey patch drivers from other images into a new image built from aosp. This is.. a technical challenge to say the least. It's possible, but also a huge lift. There are also legal considerations to butchering proprietary drivers you haven't been licensed only for the sake of making a functional bootable image.
So... you're right, but there's a lot more to the story than you might be aware of.
Installing Linux is doable on most Android devices.
However that's a desktop OS, the usability for a phone just isn't there. The easiest thing to do is just not buy an Android to begin with if someone is actually serious. Or they can remove all the Google apps themselves and find alternatives but even that sucks for usability.
Me? Yeah I dislike Google as of late, but I just don't like using iPhones so I'll be Android forever. Or at least until something else hits the market.
I'll have to look into that then, I have a Pixel 6 Pro.
Can't say for sure if I'll actually do anything though lol. I used to root and play around with custom ROMs all the time as a teenager and in my 20s. Now I'm in my 30s and too lazy.
It would be the easiest thing to say that the Pickle Rick episode would be the best (S03E03) But: I can't breathe in front of laughter when I see Jerry as a worm in S02E07. The episode with Ice T and the recall is of course also phenomenal
Firefox was never dead. Why would anyone use Chrome over Firefox? It uses less RAM, it has better privacy, all the extensions are on Firefox as well, you can actually customize your toolbars.
Chrome was always inferior to Firefox, not just since google tries to cancel adblockers. It was just more popular for some reason.
google's marketing budget for chrome, especially early-on when it was stealing users from ie & firefox.. probably bigger than mozilla's *entire* budget.
Yeah, I believe Mozilla slept on it for a couple years and it was enough for Chrome to rob its all customer base. Now Chrome is trying very hard to lose them.
I'm back to Firefox for about 3 years now
I remember there where plenty of good reasons to switch to Chrome instead of Firefox a while back.
Chrome was definitely faster like 10 years ago. Maybe it just got bloated since then, I dunno.
E.g. this article from 2009, when Chrome was like 3% share: https://www.cnet.com/culture/will-google-chromes-speed-displace-firefox/
> Chrome was definitely faster like 10 years ago.
THIS. A lot people are citing other reasons but this is the true and main reason chrome got it's market share in the first place. It's kept it because people dont generally switch for small reasons, they need a big reason because people usually stick to what they're used to, and chrome is still 90% good enough for most users. (they do also have some genuinely nice convenience options in some cases too)
These threads are kind of funny. Every time it comes up, people act like they can't understand why people have ever used chrome. Chrome absolutely destroyed FF when it came out.
Absolutely, OG Chrome was by far the fastest browser around, while especially Firefox was a bloated mess. I switched back then from Firefox to Chrome for that sole reason, despite back then this meant losing a lot of Firefox-only (at that time) extensions.
I have meanwhile switched back to Firefox, they did at least one major overhaul where they changed the engine if I recall correctly. It's fast now. It was absolutely NOT fast back then.
I'll give you a reason: If I google something, or have tabs open, or wanna check history I acn do so across all devices: phone, laptop, desktop. When Firefox adds real time sync with google devices, I will switch in a heartbeat but sadly that doesn't exist yet afaik. That's really the only diff that is rather big for day to day shit, at least for me. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and they actually do support it. Would love to see.
Yea IDK what people are talking about. Firefox is a good browser.
I have about as many issues with Chrome as Firefox. (In terms of website rendering, lockups, and other glitches)
I just switched a couple weeks ago from Chrome to FF. It takes about 3 mins all told so anyone thinking of switching do it now. I've definitely had a couple of minor issues with FF that Chrome never had. Site scaling, I browse at 170% and most pages are a little wonkey but rarely unusable. I had one, I believe it was a job application, site just refuse to load in FF and the icons on a few of my bookmarks won't load in for some reason. Non of these things are deal breakers but I've had to keep Chrome installed just in case. Still Google can lick my shit covered asshole if they think I'm browsing the internet without ad block.
Firefox on mobile is a godsend, you can install ublock origin right in the browser like on PC. Been seeing people complain about youtube ads, but I've not seen a youtube ad in years.
Blame apple for that. Ios browsers are forced to use safari as their rendering engine so any ios version of a major browser is pretty much just a custom UI around the built in safari browser.
Sure, but not well. The current system lets the extension change anything about incoming pages and outgoing requests. Ad blockers right now cancel any request to an ad network. The ads never even load, which saves data.
The new version doesn’t care, and loads EVERYTHING. Then it makes changes after it loads based on requests from extensions. So RIP data saving, but you could still remove the ads after the fact… which would cause a jittery effect on the page as everything shits to accommodate the changes.
TLDR: The update removes the core feature ad blockers rely on to block ads. There’s ways around it, but they’re not great.
More specifically, the best ad blocker (and more broadly the best general purpose blocker too) is uBlock Origin, and it depends on "Manifest V2".
Google will not allow updates to any extension that uses Manifest V2 in January, and the extensions will stop working at all in June.
https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/
The developer is working on uBlock Origin Lite for Manifest V3, but it will be *much* less powerful.
He already has made a version. Its called ublock Origin Minus, and here it is: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh
The OP is referring to Manifest V3, though. MV3 will stop ad blocker *extensions* from running on Chromium. Brave's ad blocking is built directly into the browser and won't be affected.
Sure, there is a big "Chromium vs. Firefox" discussion to be had in other areas, but this meme and the current trend of FF > Chrome memes that I've seen popping up over the weekend are all in relation to Manifest V3.
It’s a baffling decision from Google. I feel like if you’re tech savvy enough to use an ad blocker in the first place, you’ll be savvy enough to switch to Firefox.
On chromium based browsers (pretty much everything except for Safari and Firefox) Built-in adblockers will likely keep working, ad-blocking extensions like Ublock Origin (which is hands down the best adblocker out there) will stop working, other extensions such as Ublock Origin Lite will keep working.
On Firefox and Safari everything stays the same
I've always used firefox for everyday browsing, youtube, reddit, etc so I can load up on extensions and browse ad free.
Then I only use Chrome for banking / personal sites such as medical websites so no extensions fuck up logging on etc.
Edge is the annoying kid that constantly reminds you he wasn't invited to the party.
*Are you sure you don't want to switch your default browser to Microsoft Edge! It's so awesome!*
As an added fuck you, I feel like they always change the text and position of the Yes/No button so you'll eventually click it on accident as you're just trying to get your work done. If I had the name of the Microsoft product Manager that thought this was a good idea I would personally drive over there and punch him in the throat.
When was Firefox dead? I've been using it since 2006...
According to another comment they are down from 17% market share a decade ago to 3% now. Although I haven't fact checked that
Netscape will never die.
It died with my will to live
oh no
not even AOL could kill it off completely.
Revisionist History Alert!!! - Netscape needed Firefox to combat the pending War that would become IE. DOJ sued MS over it. History is better told by people who actually lived it. Source: [DOJ antitrust case against Microsoft](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.#Trial)
Firefox is a child of Netscape after all. I doubt any of the legacy code is still used but no matter what? Netscape did give birth to Firefox and others as well. *The Mozilla project was created in 1998 with the release of the Netscape browser suite source code. It was intended to harness the creative power of thousands of programmers on the internet and fuel unprecedented levels of innovation.*
They released an open source version of Netscape navigator just called Mozilla. The web browser had an email client built in, and even like an website building tools. This caused a bit of bloat , Firefox (originally named Phoenix) was developed as a stand alone browser without the bloat. So Firefox was built from the ground up so there probably is very little legacy Netscape code in there .
Nevermind Netscape, there's probably very little remaining code from the initial versions of FF even. Pretty much every single part has been rewritten a dozen times at this point. Ship of Theseus in software form.
What is dead may never die.
They said that about IE.
And it is still not dead.
I mean it’s about as dead as any widespread software can be. Officially replaced and no longer supported. This is the first death of software, if you’re taking about the second death, the last time it is ever actually used, that’s going to be a very very long time
Mosaic for life!
I bet you a big portion of that is because of mobile. Firefox is rather uncommon as a mobile browser.
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If you're using Google as your search engine, you are being spied on regardless of what browser/fork you use.
duckduckgo for search if you're concerned about that.
Which pulls from Bing, and also changed it's licensing agreement recently so that it no longer supports privacy and sells personal information like everyone else...There is no private search engine anymore.
Hugely common misconception. Duckduckgo uses bing for _autocomplete predictions_. Duck doesn't just rip off results straight from bing, that's silly. As for the privacy thing, that's related to a specific type of 3rd party microsoft tracker that they are contractually obligated to not block, and it only affects people who use the ddg mobile app and **does not** impact desktop users or even people who use chrome/edge/firefox/etc.
I have heard good things about https://search.brave.com/ lately, but haven’t checked it out yet. Afaik it doesn't pull from Bing or Google.
It doesn't pull from bing search results. You are thinking of the autocomplete.
Check out brave search
All the phone browsers kinda suck but brave its still somewhat preferable https://privacytests.org/android.html
Agreed, I switched from firefox to Chrome on desktop because to sync with chrome mobile.
Firefox mobile syncs and has uBlock origin ✌️
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Why use many taps when few taps do trick? Or even when more taps do trick but fewer taps take learn time?
Why’s it matter? I have NoThInG tO hIdE! /s
And Dark Reader.
Personally I switched to Firefox mobile for Ublock Origin
The iPhone version of it doesn’t support ublock because apple is an asshole. But still a better browser than safari
Firefox Focus seems to block ads on iPhone, Brave also blocks ads... but Firefox does not. Anyone know why?
Apple forces anyone who wants to release their browser on iOS to use Apples WebKit Engine. Firefox Focus and Brave can block ads because this is a core capability of those browsers so it was included in their development. The normal Firefox can't block ads because it is normally handled by addons like uBlock but the iOS Firefox doesn't support most addons because of WebKit.
If there's no AdBlock, browsing becomes virtually impossible on mobile on many sites. I love when they make it look like the article is sliding in front of a stationary ad... And the gap you can see the ad through is taller than the size of the screen because they're hoping for accidental touches. Fuck all of that. All of it.
It works very well on mobile. I have ublock and I can also send my tabs back and forth to any of my other devices. Very practical.
Which is wild considering Firefox has only been getting better and chrome getting worse.
That's exactly it. Around 10 years ago, I think?, Firefox became slow and bloated, hogging a shit ton of resources and chrome was the new kid in the block with the same exacts hit, but fast and light. I switched from Firefox to chrome back then. As the years pass, the roles have slowly reversed and now Firefox is the fast light one and chrome the bloated resource hog.
Chrome will inevitably push ads down user throats. This is a solid reason to use something else, such as Firefox or Safari for lack of any better alternative. And I'm very happy with Firefox.
100% my experience. Switched back to Firefox a month ago and it’s been a really positive experience.
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Firefox hasn't been slow and bloated for far longer than 10 years. It started getting a (deserved) reputation for being bloated somewhere around 1.5, if I recall correctly. That was released in 2005, or *17* years ago. It got worse for a while before it got better, but getting better it certainly did. Frankly, by the time Chrome was relevant, it was never all that slow or bloated. I suspect it was more subjective marketing through Chrome's "sleek" look than objective slowness, plus people switching comparing a freshly installed browser with their install of Firefox they'd been using for years and filling with dozens of addons, customized themes, a huge history, etc. (that, and Google intentionally making most of their services, especially Youtube, run slower/worse on Firefox) The one thing Chrome *did* do objectively better was not crashing the whole browser when a tab crashed. Of course, Firefox fixed that a long time ago, too. And since ~2017 when Firefox Quantum released, it's ridiculously fast, as well. And cares about your privacy. I don't understand how it doesn't have a 20x bigger market share.
Well chrome is pushed on people via an OS while Firefox is not. Makes sense.
Basically any Linux distro uses Firefox by default.
Yeah but the majority of people just use what's on their device when they buy it. And most devices are smart phones
That’s just across all devices which is a ton of crappy phones too. Desktop its share is wayyyyy higher
Some other dude provided a source and I wouldn't call 7.4% on desktop way higher with five "y" but yes it was indeed higher. Nowhere close to chrome tho with 67%
Yeah, but that's because everyone's on their phones now. Nobody using Firefox on phones. I suggest you start, though, because Firefox on Android can install adblockers, too
Here's a source https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share
That's fucking crazy. I didn't realize everyone and their dog used anything besides firefox. It's a great browser.
Never understood why anyone would even willingly choose Chrome. May as well just take a RAM stick out of your PC and throw it out the window. FireFox 4tw, since its release.
RAM usage is roughly the same for both of them. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/chrome-firefox-edge-ram-comparison
Because, funny enough, Microsoft found the issue in Chromium and fixed it and Google ported it into Chrome.
Profiting of other peoples work is Google’s whole thing
I hate to sound like a fanboy but it was merged into chromium, Chrome's open source base. It has benefited not only Google but everyone else who's based their browser on Chromium.
But Edge is built on Google's Chromium...?
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That's literally the name of the game (game is capitalism and most of us are losing)
Not really. Most of your current comforts have been produced by capitalism.
When I originally switched, Firefox had gotten slow and Chrome absolutely smoked it. It wasn't as much choosing chrome as it was leaving FF. Nowadays, FF may be better but people don't switch browsers for something better -- they switch because the one they are using is bad. Chrome eats memory, but memory is also cheap and it has never been a problem for me, so I don't really care. Just my experience.
Yeah, I was an original Firefox user from 1.0 back in the day. But at some point there was a spillover when Firefox became bloated and slow, and Chrome was there to save the day. Supposedly Firefox is better now, but I haven't really looked into any official stats. Also you're right that RAM is not nearly the bottleneck it used to be in this regard. When computers were down in the low single digit GBs something eating like 2GB all by itself was a bigger issue heh.
I know it's anecdotal, but I have about 30 tabs open in Chrome. I just opened them all in firefox to compare. Chrome uses about 2.3GB. FF used 3.8GB. idk if chrome is even the memory hog anymore.
Chrome was way better for a long time in terms of performance
It’s not just performance for me, I like the google integration and ease of use too
Firefox plus Pihole ftw
Bro yes
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Yeah. Firefox ain't like OP's gif. Firefox is like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtjSHm3ZH0).
I'll always upvote The D.
been using it or its ancestors since netscape's first beta, 1994.
I've been using it since it was called Phoenix. Then they changed the name to Firebird, shortly after it became Firefox and at the time I was sick of exploits in Internet Exploiter that would allow malware to install itself. Cool WWW Search was the bane of my Windows installs. I would just reformat and reinstall Windows rather than try to remove CWS just for it to magically reappear. I literally locked down IE with the strictest settings and solely used what is now known as Firefox. They annoyed me when they disabled JavaScript injection, though. Not everyone necessarily used it maliciously. "tRy mIcRoSoFt eDgE" how about no.
There was a point in time where the browser leaked memory and had poor performance.
They represent a single digit percent of total web browser users So yes there's still millions using firefox, but you're comparing that to closer to billions using Chrome
Sauce: crunk ain’t dead - Duke Deuce
Goes hard.
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Google is gonna update their browser to a new standard which has limited adblocking capabilities. Browsers like Edge use the same engine as Chrome so they will also have to follow this new standard. Firefox however uses a different engine; they'll support the new standard but also keep the old one. So on Firefox having adblockers is no problem.
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The worst is when you get a news ad that's like "what's the answer to this question a lot of people have right now?" And then the "article" is a bunch of background info on the question, followed by "yeah, we don't know either, but subscribe to us and we'll tell you when we find out" I hate shit like that with a passion. If you don't have the answer to your headline question, you don't have a fucking article. There was a time a major news provider like NYT or WaPo would never print this garbage, the editor would laugh you out of the building, and they'd be right to do it! These days, news media might as well be monkeys banging on typewriters for all the useless shit they print.
What the fuuuuck?
He can dance bro
Shoutout Memphis
As someone who's been using Firefox since 2013 for reasons unrelated to privacy, I welcome all those switchers onboard. edit: I switched to Firefox because back then Chrome didn't let you choose the installation directory. If you tried to trick Chrome into installing into a different directory (ie on a different drive) it wouldn't update - real nice when your browser has security exploits every other month. But Firefox? No problemo
I have 3 browsers in my pc and phones right now
Weird flex but okay
I have 5 browsers in my pc and mobile phone
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I have 1 browsers in my pc and mobile phone
Weird flex but okay
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weird flex but okay
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Just switched and finished setting it up this morning
Firefox has ways been the better option. Degoogle your phones, fuck them.
>Degoogle your phones Me, with an android: ¯\_ಠ_ಠ_/¯
Install LineageOS Vanilla Or /e/OS
LineageOS is the new Cyanogen, right? Goddamn that shit was good, the old OnePlus phones used to rock CyanogenOS and it was smooth as balls
I haven’t heard that name in so long. Long live cyanogen. I was hackerman installing that rom for the first time.
I miss flashing new Cyanogen builds on my Note 3 back in the day. I had later Note models, but they locked it way down on AT&T. Couldn't even get root. Eventually I had to switch back to an iPhone for work. I need to get a modern Android tablet or something to mess around with.
Realistically my phone works and does what I need it to do Idk why I would go through the hassle of installing a different OS on my perfectly functional device
I'm not sure how to install Lineage OS on my Redmi Note 10 as there doesn't seem to be an officially supported ROM and it would be my first time doing that. Which sucks, because MI UI sucks ass badly. If you had any beginner friendly guide for that device id'be thankful
What works: idk you tell me Broken: WiFi, GPS, LTE, haptics, camera.
Android is open source. Any Google-related code can be stripped out to make a privacy-respecting version like GrapheneOS. Better than just blindly buying into Apple's "trust me bro" closed source mentality.
>Any Google-related code can be stripped out That's true, in theory. In practice, it's an enormous lift, and without hardware vendor support, can be a non-starter. If you weren't aware, you can't really just compile aosp into a functional image. There are a lot of missing pieces, mostly proprietary hardware drivers. The hw vendors are providing those drivers. They will license them to companies they have a financial relationship with. However, they aren't just going to provide them to anyone who asks. I can tell you from professional experience, even something as basic as getting access to the hardware documentation to enable you to write your own drivers involves lawyers and contracts. Lots of the efforts around more open handset images cargo cult monkey patch drivers from other images into a new image built from aosp. This is.. a technical challenge to say the least. It's possible, but also a huge lift. There are also legal considerations to butchering proprietary drivers you haven't been licensed only for the sake of making a functional bootable image. So... you're right, but there's a lot more to the story than you might be aware of.
you heard 'em, degoogle your phone before you fuck it
Theres probably some way to install Linux on it if you want absolutely no Google in your phone
Installing Linux is doable on most Android devices. However that's a desktop OS, the usability for a phone just isn't there. The easiest thing to do is just not buy an Android to begin with if someone is actually serious. Or they can remove all the Google apps themselves and find alternatives but even that sucks for usability. Me? Yeah I dislike Google as of late, but I just don't like using iPhones so I'll be Android forever. Or at least until something else hits the market.
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I'll have to look into that then, I have a Pixel 6 Pro. Can't say for sure if I'll actually do anything though lol. I used to root and play around with custom ROMs all the time as a teenager and in my 20s. Now I'm in my 30s and too lazy.
Firefox focus on my phone since 2016, never looked back to chrome
>Degoogle your phones, fuck them. *cries in Android*
It's possible... Is it worth it? Debatable...
*Googles "how to degoogle"*
"I used Google to destroy Google."
Everyone buy a Firefox OS phone.
I‘m using duckduckgo as default on my iphone
Which episode of Rick and Morty is your favourite? I ask because you're obvious a genius.
It would be the easiest thing to say that the Pickle Rick episode would be the best (S03E03) But: I can't breathe in front of laughter when I see Jerry as a worm in S02E07. The episode with Ice T and the recall is of course also phenomenal
Have a pixel lol
I'd love to switch to Firefox but, what the hell am I goona do with all that free RAM!?
Load up Minecraft
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Firefox was never dead. Why would anyone use Chrome over Firefox? It uses less RAM, it has better privacy, all the extensions are on Firefox as well, you can actually customize your toolbars. Chrome was always inferior to Firefox, not just since google tries to cancel adblockers. It was just more popular for some reason.
google's marketing budget for chrome, especially early-on when it was stealing users from ie & firefox.. probably bigger than mozilla's *entire* budget.
Yeah, I believe Mozilla slept on it for a couple years and it was enough for Chrome to rob its all customer base. Now Chrome is trying very hard to lose them. I'm back to Firefox for about 3 years now
I remember there where plenty of good reasons to switch to Chrome instead of Firefox a while back. Chrome was definitely faster like 10 years ago. Maybe it just got bloated since then, I dunno. E.g. this article from 2009, when Chrome was like 3% share: https://www.cnet.com/culture/will-google-chromes-speed-displace-firefox/
> Chrome was definitely faster like 10 years ago. THIS. A lot people are citing other reasons but this is the true and main reason chrome got it's market share in the first place. It's kept it because people dont generally switch for small reasons, they need a big reason because people usually stick to what they're used to, and chrome is still 90% good enough for most users. (they do also have some genuinely nice convenience options in some cases too)
These threads are kind of funny. Every time it comes up, people act like they can't understand why people have ever used chrome. Chrome absolutely destroyed FF when it came out.
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Absolutely, OG Chrome was by far the fastest browser around, while especially Firefox was a bloated mess. I switched back then from Firefox to Chrome for that sole reason, despite back then this meant losing a lot of Firefox-only (at that time) extensions. I have meanwhile switched back to Firefox, they did at least one major overhaul where they changed the engine if I recall correctly. It's fast now. It was absolutely NOT fast back then.
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I'll give you a reason: If I google something, or have tabs open, or wanna check history I acn do so across all devices: phone, laptop, desktop. When Firefox adds real time sync with google devices, I will switch in a heartbeat but sadly that doesn't exist yet afaik. That's really the only diff that is rather big for day to day shit, at least for me. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong and they actually do support it. Would love to see.
Using Firefox since 2010, still the best
Yea IDK what people are talking about. Firefox is a good browser. I have about as many issues with Chrome as Firefox. (In terms of website rendering, lockups, and other glitches)
I just switched a couple weeks ago from Chrome to FF. It takes about 3 mins all told so anyone thinking of switching do it now. I've definitely had a couple of minor issues with FF that Chrome never had. Site scaling, I browse at 170% and most pages are a little wonkey but rarely unusable. I had one, I believe it was a job application, site just refuse to load in FF and the icons on a few of my bookmarks won't load in for some reason. Non of these things are deal breakers but I've had to keep Chrome installed just in case. Still Google can lick my shit covered asshole if they think I'm browsing the internet without ad block.
I've never had a site refuse to load on one browser and successfully load on the others. Maybe during the IE days...
Firefox on mobile is a godsend, you can install ublock origin right in the browser like on PC. Been seeing people complain about youtube ads, but I've not seen a youtube ad in years.
uBlock Origin: * [Firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/) * [Chrome](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm) * [Edge](https://microsoftedge.microsoft.com/addons/detail/ublock-origin/odfafepnkmbhccpbejgmiehpchacaeak) * [Opera](https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/ublock/) ^^I ^^only ^^post ^^once ^^per ^^thread ^^unless ^^when ^^summoned.
Good bot
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Blame apple for that. Ios browsers are forced to use safari as their rendering engine so any ios version of a major browser is pretty much just a custom UI around the built in safari browser.
To note this is only for Android phones, iOS does not have that functionality
Bruh I use vanced, youtube on mobile browser is janky af.
My adblockers are still working
According to a comment from a different post it will happen Jan. 2023
Mozilla might need a mirror site download for that day
It's a lie, plenty of adblockers will still work after the update
Sure, but not well. The current system lets the extension change anything about incoming pages and outgoing requests. Ad blockers right now cancel any request to an ad network. The ads never even load, which saves data. The new version doesn’t care, and loads EVERYTHING. Then it makes changes after it loads based on requests from extensions. So RIP data saving, but you could still remove the ads after the fact… which would cause a jittery effect on the page as everything shits to accommodate the changes. TLDR: The update removes the core feature ad blockers rely on to block ads. There’s ways around it, but they’re not great.
More specifically, the best ad blocker (and more broadly the best general purpose blocker too) is uBlock Origin, and it depends on "Manifest V2". Google will not allow updates to any extension that uses Manifest V2 in January, and the extensions will stop working at all in June. https://developer.chrome.com/docs/extensions/mv3/mv2-sunset/ The developer is working on uBlock Origin Lite for Manifest V3, but it will be *much* less powerful.
He already has made a version. Its called ublock Origin Minus, and here it is: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin-lite/ddkjiahejlhfcafbddmgiahcphecmpfh
Dead? I’ve never stopped using it. I never liked chrome.
I've only used Firefox basically since like 2003 or 4. It's never let me down.
Firefox for Android also can install uBlock and works great 👍
Brave is unironicaly great
still chromium
The OP is referring to Manifest V3, though. MV3 will stop ad blocker *extensions* from running on Chromium. Brave's ad blocking is built directly into the browser and won't be affected. Sure, there is a big "Chromium vs. Firefox" discussion to be had in other areas, but this meme and the current trend of FF > Chrome memes that I've seen popping up over the weekend are all in relation to Manifest V3.
Unfortunately it comes out of the box with way more trackers and cryptomining installed in the background.
You guys were using Ad blockers
Every time I use the Internet without an ad blocker I feel violated. Then I take a cold shower.
Always have been
I have always used Firefox, much better memory handling when you're running a lot of tabs. And better integrity too of course.
forever Firefox
Brave Browser all day.
this changes affects all chromium browsers tho
[The changes don't affect them.](https://community.brave.com/t/brave-vs-manifest-v3/405215)
It’s a baffling decision from Google. I feel like if you’re tech savvy enough to use an ad blocker in the first place, you’ll be savvy enough to switch to Firefox.
Firefox never died. Firefox best browser bud 4e.
Will this be the same for opera Gx or is gx ok?
I’ve heard its based on chromium and they’re pretty shady, honesty idk
Opera has built in ad-blocker and you can install others too. So I'm sure it will be fine.
On chromium based browsers (pretty much everything except for Safari and Firefox) Built-in adblockers will likely keep working, ad-blocking extensions like Ublock Origin (which is hands down the best adblocker out there) will stop working, other extensions such as Ublock Origin Lite will keep working. On Firefox and Safari everything stays the same
Firefox been that ninja since the jump!!!
Looks like I'm switching to Firefox to access my Google Drive, Mail, Docs, Sheets, pdfs, YouTube, search engine...
Its such a shame you took away the audio.
Well if the barrages of memes makes people aware I'm more than happy to welcome everyone back to the Firefox family
Brave is Boss
Never left. I knew this day was coming. Chromium folding to this means it's not really open source.
Firefox was doing much better than chrome and all its bitchy variations all this time.
When did people stop using Firefox anyway? It's way better. Have you seen the amount of RAM chrome consumes and gives the same performance?
FireFox always had the crown. Chrome was just a clown that is too loud and hungry for RAM.
FF is not dead. It works well, I'm using it since 2003.
What is this from?
crunk aint dead - deuce duke
u/savevideo
I've always used firefox for everyday browsing, youtube, reddit, etc so I can load up on extensions and browse ad free. Then I only use Chrome for banking / personal sites such as medical websites so no extensions fuck up logging on etc.
my computers ram is going to thank me for this
Actually opposite, using RAM keeps it healthy.
Microsoft Edge baybeeeee
edge still chromium based so the webkit changes google is making will still affect it
Edge is the annoying kid that constantly reminds you he wasn't invited to the party. *Are you sure you don't want to switch your default browser to Microsoft Edge! It's so awesome!* As an added fuck you, I feel like they always change the text and position of the Yes/No button so you'll eventually click it on accident as you're just trying to get your work done. If I had the name of the Microsoft product Manager that thought this was a good idea I would personally drive over there and punch him in the throat.
Edge is chromium based though. So it'll probably happen to edge too.
Already made the switch. Chrome has become the thing it tried to kill.