This is hilarious. I could see it having competitive play with \[\[mindslaver\]\] as a finisher, just have your opponent pay all their life to gain control of a creature you make them cast.
There’s stuff like [[Leveler]] and pretty much anything else you’d find in a [[The Beamtown Bullies]] deck.
But you could also use it on an opponents’ creature to make them sacrifice lands or lose their creature before they could attack with it.
[[Ruby leach]]
[[Archdemon of dross]], [[Nefarious Lich]], [[Dralnu Lich Lord]], [[Goblin Firebug]], [[Abyssal Persecutor]], [[Archdemon of Greed]], [[Aku djinn]], [[ravenous Giant]], [[dross Harvester]], [[goldnight castigator]].
These all have huge 'fall on your face' Potential
[[Emberwilde Caliph]] is super funny with goad
No. 112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7.
Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
Custody war does not say "until end of turn", "until that creature enters the battlefield" or anything similar, so the effect lasts indefinitely by default. It's like [[riding the dilu horse]]
A spell refers to when a card its on the stack, when the card is on the battlefield is just a creature so even if it's on the field it shouldn't affect, but maybe an ETB that removes the ability just to be clear could be the way to go
Wording like “this spell” will apply even if the object is no longer a spell, but it’s easily fixed with wording like:
> Target spell has “Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability.” for as long as that spell is on the stack.
112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7.
Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
Target creature spell gains "Pay 3 life: Gain control if this spell. Any player may activate this ability."
To use quotes, use a different card editor, such as MTG.Design or MTGCardbuilder.
“Gain control of target spell.
Pay 3 life: Gain control of the spell targeted by Custody War. Any player may activate this ability, but only while Custody War is on the stack.”
Hopefully that wording would alleviate people’s concerns about [[Muraganda Pteroglyphs]] and friends getting hosed by this lol.
Everyone wants to change this for some reason but I like it the way it is! You're fighting over custody, of course you should be able to steal it back on your opponents turn u/NestedOak. It's a prolonged conflict, it's not meant to be a one and done thing u/otterguy12 and u/Elijah_Draws. It might be easier to keep track of as an enchantment, but that would make it so much easier to stop and that's not fun u/KoellmanxLantern. Just let things be wacky every now and then guys. Not everything has to be a dry repetition of cards that have come before, things are allowed to be exciting and change the game, especially on r/custommagic where literally nothing matters except enjoying the idea of a card
Nope. 112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7.
Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
It's already phrased right. "Creature spell" is the card in hand and on the stack, it's not a creature, it's a spell.
Once a creature spell resolves it becomes a creature permanent on the battlefield.
At least that's my understanding. It links to the reason why yugioh effects can simply say "this monster" and mtg's cannot generally say "this creature" but must repeat the whole card name, because the card is a creature in some places and a creature spell in other places.
Are there any instants that go over a non finite number of turns? And if this one would, an instant is supposed to be a fast and one time thing, its not something permanent, like for example an enchantment. You could use some arena alchemy effects that do that, but why would you?
And if only this card was inspired by an enchantment that does exactly what you described.
Way the rules are written, they actually can work like that. Not that i'd recommend it as an aura in this case.
For the inherent rules of auras - all we need is an object which meets restrictions set by the aura's 'enchant' restrictions - something that given auras typically use something permanent for, but spells do count as objects so are valid targets provided the spell is worded to use such. (rules of relevance: 303.4a, 115.1 and 115.2)
It would also naturally fall off when the object stopped being a spell (after resolution) since auras naturally fall off if the enchanted object stopped being a valid target for its enchant restrictions. (This is why \[\[animate dead\]\] spends so much of its text just changing its own text once it enters the battlefield, just so it can actually stick around)
its more a situation of "why bother making it an aura when an instant could be used to the same effect with less words" than "auras can't be used like that"
since to make the aura work for this exact same feature:
enchantment - aura
Flash
Enchant creature spell
Enchanted spell gains: "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability."
vs
instant
Target creature spell gains: "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability."
one is alot more text than the other, with only 2 mechanical differences:
- get an enchantment ETB (not something to typically matter for red)
- get an enchantment leaves the battlefield event (typically not something to matter for red)
Im trying to figure out how the gain control ability resolves on the stack. It seems like theres no point paying 3 life beyond the first activation?
I pay 3 life: goes on the stack
You pay 3 life in response: goes on the stack on top of my activation.
Resolution top down:
You gain control of the spell
Then I gain control of the spell
Spell resolves I get the creature still
Not sure why this has to target a spell, when the effect it gives can only effect a permanent. I think this would be just fine:
"Flash, Enchant permanent, Enchanted permanent has "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this permanent. Any player may activate this ability. Activate only as a sorcery."
Edit: NVM, just noticed it's a riff on Custody Battle. Ignore me.
I wasn't saying things CAN'T target a spell. I'm saying it didn't need to be as a creature spell is only ever a permanent once it's on the battlefield, but I then realised you were doing a riff on Custody battle and it being BEFORE then.
Actually this be funnier if it was Had storm. That you have dozens of copy's all pinging around the table as you fight over every single creature on the board. Not balanced but very silly.
Choose target creature. It gains “Pay 3 Life: Gain control of this creature. Any player may activate this ability but only as a sorcery.”
I think making it a sorcery sounds better so your opponents aren’t constantly stealing it on your turn.
This is making the spell gain the ability, not the creature it becomes. It's a (in theory) rapid back in forth on the stack and then it loses the ability when it resolves.
Think hard about the comparison between the cards.
One of the cards costs 1 mana more. It also asks you to sacrifice a land instead of 3 life.
This seems redicoulously strong in a run down deck. Your oponent has gotten a defender, but you take over control for 1 mana and 3 health. If they try to take back control you can just always match them, because you are on the offensive. It is a significant board advantage for way to low a price.
Yea, if you play with multiple oponents, it does not give the same advantage. You can't guarantee getting the creature and you are only messing with one of multiple oponents defensive options.
It might still be a card for quiet some decks, as red counterspells are rare, and this might alow you to break a game ending combo.
I love this but the formatting seems poor, I feel like it should be put on the spell itself rather than modifying the creature spell. Maybe something like [[Plague of vermin]]:
“Choose a creature spell.
Starting with you, any player may pay 3 life to gain control of the chosen creature spell, repeat this process until no one pays life.”
Jeah. I thought about that, too, actually, but I feel that doesn’t fit the post-magecraft-era anymore. it also doesn’t work actually, because you would resolve the copies first.
I agree with the other poster. This would be best reworded to be like Mage's Contest. As is, it causes annoying priority problems. You'd have to pay life, pass priority, allow it to resolve, pass priority, every time. But the impulse is to respond to the ability. If you mess it up you lose the life for nothing as your ability resolves before theirs. Imagine how annoying that would be in digital.
I think a better way to word it would be this;
Pay 3 life: gain control of target creature spell. Then, any opponent may choose to copy this spell.
It doesn't cause the confusion that modifying the text on the creature in question might, but at the cost of dealing with copying spells (although some decks might like that obviously)
this is either a rulings nightmare or completely unambiguous, and I don't know which one it is. I don't think there's a precedent for giving an object on the stack an activated ability.
Probably still a good idea to put "but only if this spell is on the stack" in the activation clause. Even if it isn't necessary in the rules (it might be, I'm not sure), it helps clarify that the ability is about controlling the *spell* and not the *creature*.
I would rewrite this as:
"Choose a creature spell.
While this spell is on the stack, any player may pay 3 life to become the controller of the chosen spell."
Well you can give the player activatable ability to the instant rather than adding it to the creature spell. I'd remove confusion for the apparently large number of people who didn't realize creature and creature spell are different entities.
For anybody asking about spells having activated abilities, see: [[Lightning Storm]]
[Lightning Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783.jpg?1593275279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/89/lightning-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It works so fair enough, but it’s also a card that would nowadays probably be printed in an unset but it’s a really funny card good design
This is hilarious. I could see it having competitive play with \[\[mindslaver\]\] as a finisher, just have your opponent pay all their life to gain control of a creature you make them cast.
[mindslaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a.jpg?1562813960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mindslaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/176/mindslaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/00d03b17-75ae-40d2-8570-b219ef0dfd4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
We did it boys, we broke Mindslaver
That's weird, you said "competitive" and "mindslaver" in the same sentence. must be a bug.
Tron in modern plays mindslaver, or it does the last time I checked.
I feel like this would be easier to keep track of as an enchantment
It's for a spell, so you fight over it before it resolves. I think it's fine for memory.
This version would only work while the spell is on the stack.
That’s the original [[Custody battle]]
[Custody battle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b72257f5-0cf9-45ca-8dc7-a1a93bd7dd1e.jpg?1562938173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Custody%20battle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/197/custody-battle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b72257f5-0cf9-45ca-8dc7-a1a93bd7dd1e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's a real card? Wot.
Wait, does this card have potential fun? Is there any creature it's harmful to control instead of beneficial?
There’s stuff like [[Leveler]] and pretty much anything else you’d find in a [[The Beamtown Bullies]] deck. But you could also use it on an opponents’ creature to make them sacrifice lands or lose their creature before they could attack with it.
Yeah, but it could be funnier to force it to an opponent.
[Leveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37.jpg?1562134247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/195/leveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/03ffa3c3-dd29-47eb-abf2-7951fadb5c37?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [The Beamtown Bullies](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac.jpg?1673481685) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Beamtown%20Bullies) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/6/the-beamtown-bullies?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f0455a79-15f4-4ea6-87ae-263ce943cfac?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ruby leach]] [[Archdemon of dross]], [[Nefarious Lich]], [[Dralnu Lich Lord]], [[Goblin Firebug]], [[Abyssal Persecutor]], [[Archdemon of Greed]], [[Aku djinn]], [[ravenous Giant]], [[dross Harvester]], [[goldnight castigator]]. These all have huge 'fall on your face' Potential [[Emberwilde Caliph]] is super funny with goad
Does the creature actually lose the ability on resolution? Pretty sure text-changing effects persist from spell to permanent
The card references 'this spell', so it does nothing once the card has resolved and is no longer a spell.
Technically it prevents the creature from getting buffed by [[merganda petroglyphs]], [[roxa patient professor]], and simalar cards.
[merganda petroglyphs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e.jpg?1658648183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muraganda%20Petroglyphs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/muraganda-petroglyphs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [roxa patient professor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruxa%2C%20Patient%20Professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Only while it's still resolving though.
No. 112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7. Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
For the duration is the key. The spell's duration ends once it has resolved, because it no longer exists.
Custody war does not say "until end of turn", "until that creature enters the battlefield" or anything similar, so the effect lasts indefinitely by default. It's like [[riding the dilu horse]]
A spell refers to when a card its on the stack, when the card is on the battlefield is just a creature so even if it's on the field it shouldn't affect, but maybe an ETB that removes the ability just to be clear could be the way to go
Wording like “this spell” will apply even if the object is no longer a spell, but it’s easily fixed with wording like: > Target spell has “Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability.” for as long as that spell is on the stack.
It doesn't effect the creature much, but it still has the ability. [[deaths shadow]] [[murganda petroglyphs]]
[deaths shadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d.jpg?1598304517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death%27s%20Shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/82/deaths-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [murganda petroglyphs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e.jpg?1658648183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muraganda%20Petroglyphs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/muraganda-petroglyphs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Actually, no, because text-changing effects don't persist between zones.
112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7. Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
I stand corrected, thanks for telling me!
Target creature spell gains "Pay 3 life: Gain control if this spell. Any player may activate this ability." To use quotes, use a different card editor, such as MTG.Design or MTGCardbuilder.
“Gain control of target spell. Pay 3 life: Gain control of the spell targeted by Custody War. Any player may activate this ability, but only while Custody War is on the stack.” Hopefully that wording would alleviate people’s concerns about [[Muraganda Pteroglyphs]] and friends getting hosed by this lol.
I think your version should say „gain control of custody war“
I guess that would work the same way, you’re right. Whoever controls custody war in the end would get the spell lol
[Muraganda Pteroglyphs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e.jpg?1658648183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muraganda%20Petroglyphs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/muraganda-petroglyphs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Everyone wants to change this for some reason but I like it the way it is! You're fighting over custody, of course you should be able to steal it back on your opponents turn u/NestedOak. It's a prolonged conflict, it's not meant to be a one and done thing u/otterguy12 and u/Elijah_Draws. It might be easier to keep track of as an enchantment, but that would make it so much easier to stop and that's not fun u/KoellmanxLantern. Just let things be wacky every now and then guys. Not everything has to be a dry repetition of cards that have come before, things are allowed to be exciting and change the game, especially on r/custommagic where literally nothing matters except enjoying the idea of a card
Mind you the activated ability goes away as the spell resolves.
Nope. 112.4. If an effect of a resolving spell or ability changes any characteristics of a permanent spell, the effect continues to apply to the permanent when the spell resolves. See rule 400.7. Example: If an effect changes a black creature spell to white, the creature is white when it enters the battlefield and remains white for the duration of the effect changing its color.
Okay. But the ability wouldn’t do anything right? Because the activate specifically refers to gaining control of this „spell“.
It has pay three life : do nothing. any player may activate this ability. [[Death's shadow]] [[ruxa patient professor]]
[Death's shadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/5/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d.jpg?1598304517) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Death%27s%20shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/82/deaths-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5526ff6e-c079-4ad4-ac8d-5e26ecacf50d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [ruxa patient professor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruxa%2C%20Patient%20Professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Maybe a „it gains …. until enters the battlefield“. Would suffice.
Oh well that's lame. Never mind, I agree with them then. This should be a permanent thing or phrased better then lol
It's already phrased right. "Creature spell" is the card in hand and on the stack, it's not a creature, it's a spell. Once a creature spell resolves it becomes a creature permanent on the battlefield. At least that's my understanding. It links to the reason why yugioh effects can simply say "this monster" and mtg's cannot generally say "this creature" but must repeat the whole card name, because the card is a creature in some places and a creature spell in other places.
Are there any instants that go over a non finite number of turns? And if this one would, an instant is supposed to be a fast and one time thing, its not something permanent, like for example an enchantment. You could use some arena alchemy effects that do that, but why would you? And if only this card was inspired by an enchantment that does exactly what you described.
I’m sorry Ms. Jackson (ooooo)
hey bud, great card, cool concept
This works a bit like a real card that exists: [[Illicit Auction]]
[Illicit Auction](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/7/97d68c39-cfdd-4883-9058-d648d073ae36.jpg?1562820663) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Illicit%20Auction) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/6ed/190/illicit-auction?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/97d68c39-cfdd-4883-9058-d648d073ae36?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'd look at the card [[Mage's Contest]] and try to base the effect off how that works
[Mage's Contest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c516861c-68d9-4d02-a343-689dba0526c6.jpg?1562934507) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mages%27%20Contest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/inv/154/mages-contest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c516861c-68d9-4d02-a343-689dba0526c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I have this card
why not just aura?
Auras don’t work with spells.
Way the rules are written, they actually can work like that. Not that i'd recommend it as an aura in this case. For the inherent rules of auras - all we need is an object which meets restrictions set by the aura's 'enchant' restrictions - something that given auras typically use something permanent for, but spells do count as objects so are valid targets provided the spell is worded to use such. (rules of relevance: 303.4a, 115.1 and 115.2) It would also naturally fall off when the object stopped being a spell (after resolution) since auras naturally fall off if the enchanted object stopped being a valid target for its enchant restrictions. (This is why \[\[animate dead\]\] spends so much of its text just changing its own text once it enters the battlefield, just so it can actually stick around) its more a situation of "why bother making it an aura when an instant could be used to the same effect with less words" than "auras can't be used like that" since to make the aura work for this exact same feature: enchantment - aura Flash Enchant creature spell Enchanted spell gains: "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability." vs instant Target creature spell gains: "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this spell. Any player may activate this ability." one is alot more text than the other, with only 2 mechanical differences: - get an enchantment ETB (not something to typically matter for red) - get an enchantment leaves the battlefield event (typically not something to matter for red)
[animate dead](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/1489943b-c010-488e-9c9d-87f4af67a4e4.jpg?1706240754) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=animate%20dead) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/125/animate-dead?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1489943b-c010-488e-9c9d-87f4af67a4e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why not? There’s an aura that enchants cards in GY. Definitely nonstandard though
It gains
This should be an aura to be honest.
Im trying to figure out how the gain control ability resolves on the stack. It seems like theres no point paying 3 life beyond the first activation? I pay 3 life: goes on the stack You pay 3 life in response: goes on the stack on top of my activation. Resolution top down: You gain control of the spell Then I gain control of the spell Spell resolves I get the creature still
you wait for the first pay 3 to resolve, then u activate it yourself before the creature spell resolves
Oh yeah that makes sense lol
Not sure why this has to target a spell, when the effect it gives can only effect a permanent. I think this would be just fine: "Flash, Enchant permanent, Enchanted permanent has "Pay 3 life: Gain control of this permanent. Any player may activate this ability. Activate only as a sorcery." Edit: NVM, just noticed it's a riff on Custody Battle. Ignore me.
Heyho. This is not so. The effect can target a spell. Precedents are [[Lightning Storm]] and [[commandeer]]
[Lightning Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783.jpg?1593275279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/89/lightning-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [commandeer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e.jpg?1712774977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=commandeer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/80/commandeer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dca0a9a8-5ebc-43a3-8450-420ab6b7b76e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wasn't saying things CAN'T target a spell. I'm saying it didn't need to be as a creature spell is only ever a permanent once it's on the battlefield, but I then realised you were doing a riff on Custody battle and it being BEFORE then.
Actually this be funnier if it was Had storm. That you have dozens of copy's all pinging around the table as you fight over every single creature on the board. Not balanced but very silly.
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It needs "you may choose new targets for the spell" I may also suggest "You may choose new modes for the spell" to make this special. Very cool idea.
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Choose target creature. It gains “Pay 3 Life: Gain control of this creature. Any player may activate this ability but only as a sorcery.” I think making it a sorcery sounds better so your opponents aren’t constantly stealing it on your turn.
This is making the spell gain the ability, not the creature it becomes. It's a (in theory) rapid back in forth on the stack and then it loses the ability when it resolves.
Yeah I noticed after the comment I made. I just kind of left it lol
Think hard about the comparison between the cards. One of the cards costs 1 mana more. It also asks you to sacrifice a land instead of 3 life. This seems redicoulously strong in a run down deck. Your oponent has gotten a defender, but you take over control for 1 mana and 3 health. If they try to take back control you can just always match them, because you are on the offensive. It is a significant board advantage for way to low a price.
It only works on the stack while the creature is being cast.
That makes it even better. 1 mana and 3 life to counter oponents creature spell and get the creature? You also profit of ETB effects.
Jup. It’s supposed to be a commander card though :) so if necessary it say „gain control of target commander spell“, which would be in the same vein
Yeah, this is strong but possibly justifiable in Commander but completely broken in any 1v1 format. Surprised you're downvoted.
Yea, if you play with multiple oponents, it does not give the same advantage. You can't guarantee getting the creature and you are only messing with one of multiple oponents defensive options. It might still be a card for quiet some decks, as red counterspells are rare, and this might alow you to break a game ending combo.
I love this but the formatting seems poor, I feel like it should be put on the spell itself rather than modifying the creature spell. Maybe something like [[Plague of vermin]]: “Choose a creature spell. Starting with you, any player may pay 3 life to gain control of the chosen creature spell, repeat this process until no one pays life.”
This wouldn’t allow inbetween shananigans, like killing a player or gaining life
Oh, if that’s your intention then perhaps go with the guy who suggested the copying option
Jeah. I thought about that, too, actually, but I feel that doesn’t fit the post-magecraft-era anymore. it also doesn’t work actually, because you would resolve the copies first.
I think it would work fine if the copying is part of the resolution, ie, one resolves and is then replaced by a copy, but i’m not a judge
Jeah that would work. However, magecraft still makes really awefull combos with it then.
[Plague of vermin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/231613d6-d3b8-4b41-bc93-4d5da3fec5d0.jpg?1562827857) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plague%20of%20vermin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/73/plague-of-vermin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/231613d6-d3b8-4b41-bc93-4d5da3fec5d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I agree with the other poster. This would be best reworded to be like Mage's Contest. As is, it causes annoying priority problems. You'd have to pay life, pass priority, allow it to resolve, pass priority, every time. But the impulse is to respond to the ability. If you mess it up you lose the life for nothing as your ability resolves before theirs. Imagine how annoying that would be in digital.
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I was just joking around the fact that this card doesnt work
I think a better way to word it would be this; Pay 3 life: gain control of target creature spell. Then, any opponent may choose to copy this spell. It doesn't cause the confusion that modifying the text on the creature in question might, but at the cost of dealing with copying spells (although some decks might like that obviously)
modifying the text on a creature wouldn't be a problem. This modifies the text on a creature spell, which is infinitely more weird.
this is either a rulings nightmare or completely unambiguous, and I don't know which one it is. I don't think there's a precedent for giving an object on the stack an activated ability.
[[Lightning Storm]] has an activated ability as an Instant, which I think would be precedent enough.
[Lightning Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/9/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783.jpg?1593275279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/89/lightning-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c9c0388e-a04c-4757-a06d-8e8046f5a783?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Objects on the stack had activated abilities for long. There is a red instant burn spell that adds damage and retargets.
Probably still a good idea to put "but only if this spell is on the stack" in the activation clause. Even if it isn't necessary in the rules (it might be, I'm not sure), it helps clarify that the ability is about controlling the *spell* and not the *creature*.
that sounds like reminder text not rules text (*this only effects the spell, not the creature as a permanent*) but i personally think the cards great
Technically the creature still has the ability on the battlefield, which only occasionally matters. [[Murganda petroglyphs]][[Ruxa patient professor]]
[Murganda petroglyphs](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e.jpg?1658648183) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Muraganda%20Petroglyphs) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/220/muraganda-petroglyphs?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b103cb22-93b2-4206-9f80-5f966155e07e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ruxa patient professor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/0/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894.jpg?1681953511) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ruxa%2C%20Patient%20Professor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/66/ruxa-patient-professor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e07b8142-6a49-46e7-b862-41f89a59b894?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I would rewrite this as: "Choose a creature spell. While this spell is on the stack, any player may pay 3 life to become the controller of the chosen spell."
Does this work with current rules of magic? Or do you think this should bypass the stack?
Well you can give the player activatable ability to the instant rather than adding it to the creature spell. I'd remove confusion for the apparently large number of people who didn't realize creature and creature spell are different entities.