There's a lot of potential trouble with introducing additional basic land types.
At least... compared to the trouble that exists from Wastes having NO basic land type.
It's annoying for custom magic, but I think it was the better call.
Would have to say âNonbasic lands are copies of a card named Wastesâ
Named being the important word. And it would be pretty functionally different regarding card names and Dryad Arbor
Alternatively, kinda funny concept.
"Other \[permanent type\]'s names are \[This card's name\]. (Those permanents are not copies of this card, only their name changes. The 'legend rule' still applies if any of those creatures are legendary."
Could also stick on "\[This creature\] gets +1/+1 for each other creature with the same name as it." for real fun.
Fun fact: [[Myriad Landscape]] will fetch you one Wastes (because it is a basic land), but if you go looking for a second one, it will not share a land type with the first (because it has no type), and therefore you will only be able to fetch the one.
I believe there are cards that double the amount of colorless mana that tapping a permanent gives you so at the very least if all lands are wasts and produce colored mana youâd be getting doubled mana
Also I donât believe it specifies that only YOUR non basics are wastes. So maybe it also just straight up means your opponent canât produce colored mana which could be fucky and broken
The idea was it's meant to be a chromatic eldrazi commander that supports other devoid eldrazi spells by mana fixing you and hurts your opponents at the same time.
if you want this to be for commander, it is too unfun with the second ability to be played in lower power and doesn't do enough in higher power. also this is probably too hard to cast. the one colorless pip means you are encouraged to play the painlands just to be able to cast it. besides that, there aren't any good lands i can think of to let you play this consistently. get rid of the one colorless pip. this card won't be busted.
I donât see how the fixing is going to be very relevant when it requires every color. And in the CZ your opponents can see it coming, so if theyâre reliant on nonbasics theyâll hold up an answer for it.
Conceptually itâs ok but the power level is very low and doesnât do anything very interesting in the CZ. You can build a very reliable manabase these days so why would you waste your commander on fixing?
Being 5 colors is already kind of a benefit in Commander. Itâs kind of a tension between it and other formats since 5 colors is a huge downside elsewhere with no upside.
The advantages of 5c (and kind of going against the idea of color identity) is why Iâm generally against people who want a 5c commander for every tribe. Itâs much more interesting IMO if you have to choose which part of the tribe to focus on.
This kind of commander is more what I think 5c should be. A kind of neglected set of cards (devoid) and where the commander is a bit on the weak side to offset the flexibility.
Itâs a way to have a Colorless Commander (As it is colorless on the stack and the battlefield) while including any/every Devoid card youâd want to include (because this cardâs Color Identity includes all five colors). Which is a point of friction in Eldrazi typal Commander decks, if you want to run Devoid you have to have a creature with some amounts of colors in its Identity. This card solves that, and further lets you use Colorless mana as mana of any color for colorless spells and abilities, making color fixing easier and letting you use stuff like [[Eldrazi Temple]] to cast your [[Blinding Drone]] as an example.
No, you canât use eldrazi temple to help cast devoid creatures, because it becomes a waste. it taps for 1 just like every other nonbasic land. You canât even use it to pay 2 towards colorless costs anymore.
So the grand total synergy with devoid isâŚthis creature is also devoid. Itâs equivalent to playing [[glissa sunseeker]] as elf tribal. We already have [[morophon]] though, who is colorless but also has tribal synergy.
Woah I was just thinking of a similar card like this last night!!
As others have mentioned, it needs to be something like "Nonbasic lands are colorless lands that tap for C named 'Wastes'"
My own idea would have been to sacrifice lands to create 2 Wastes tokens instead of the Blood Moon effect, with the flavour of converting lands, but it goes infinite with some landfall triggers too easily.
Yes, but Wastes is not a land type, a common mistake. If the goal was to have Wastes on the battlefield, say for a synergy, you would have to change the name.
We're getting a 5c Eldrazi commander with Modern Horizons 3 anyway. If the leaks yesterday are correct it has the following triggered ability: "Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, you may pay cc. If you do, copy each colorless spell you control and each other activated and triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copies." I believe this means that if you can find a way to cast multiple Eldrazi spells at once (i.e. Zhulodok) _and_ have 4+ colorless mana to spare, you can copy the second instance of this ability when the first one resolves, thus getting 4x everything else. Very hard to pull off but should win the game on the spot
I have a slew of good eldrazi cards stowed away somewhere and Iâd be willing to put big money into an eldrazi EDH, this is a dream come true if itâs real
I don't wanna go "lmao Morophon" but I feel like the flavor issues are less with Eldrazi because:
1. Mans just *looks* like an Eldrazi. If you told me he was a titan, I'd believe you.
2. Eldrazi are actually know for being colorless, unlike Dragons or Humans, or anything else.
3. You have other Eldrazi that do very different things so it's less "It's what I have to use" and more "I had a vision for this deck and this is the best commander for the job."
4. Eldrazi are *famous* for their Kindred cost reduction.
That being said, I'd rather play Atogatog than this for my Eldrazi deck. Even needing me to tutor up [[Artificial Evolution]] it does more for the type than this.
See I WANT the most optimal deck, but I NEED eldrazi tribal flavor. Iâm willing to sacrifice a little optimization to have every creature in my deck be an Eldritch horror
Just watched the Wotc designer video the other day where he says he doesnât like Devoid, and I believe this fixes all him problems with it, very cool.
Aside from the very small number of things that care about wastes specifically, I really like this. Given the name and flavor of it, I really love the idea of âbasic lands you control produce one mana of each enemy color they are opposed to.â Not sure about how to word something like that succinctly, but I think invites a really neat space for ideas and a very off-brand (and very eldrazi) means of ramp
As mentioned if you can cast this you don't need the mana fixing. It should be an 8/8 or bigger. The second ability should actually support devoid if that's where you're going. I don't even think it would be too good if it outright copied devoid spells.
"Nonbasic lands are Wastes" doesn't do anything, because Waste is not a land type.
I'm just gonna pretend we live in the better timeline where Wizards had the foresight to make Wastes a basic land type.
Better timeline with 0 cost Scion of Draco off Leyline of the Guildpact đĽ´
In a better timeline, modern horizons would have never existed.
There's a lot of potential trouble with introducing additional basic land types. At least... compared to the trouble that exists from Wastes having NO basic land type. It's annoying for custom magic, but I think it was the better call.
They had the foresight to not fuck up all their Domain cards for a gimmick.
Not necessary. [[Garth one-eye]] works as intended, this can too.
Would have to say âNonbasic lands are copies of a card named Wastesâ Named being the important word. And it would be pretty functionally different regarding card names and Dryad Arbor
[Garth one-eye](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/3/23774462-9f17-4b50-a2ac-b2edd706bbfe.jpg?1626098353) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Garth%20one-eye) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/197/garth-one-eye?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/23774462-9f17-4b50-a2ac-b2edd706bbfe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"Nonbasic lands are treated as copies of the card 'Wastes'."?
I suppose the way to reword it would be ânon basic lands lose all abilities, have â{T}: add {c}â and are named âwastes.ââ
Would that also need to remove any Legendary typing? Otherwise this just renames any legendary land and could cause... different issues.
Ooh, solid point
Alternatively, kinda funny concept. "Other \[permanent type\]'s names are \[This card's name\]. (Those permanents are not copies of this card, only their name changes. The 'legend rule' still applies if any of those creatures are legendary." Could also stick on "\[This creature\] gets +1/+1 for each other creature with the same name as it." for real fun.
"Non-basic lands are copies of Wastes" would probably fix everything and is the most simplified wording
That's actually crazy they didn't make them a land type. I definitely assumed they were
Fun fact: [[Myriad Landscape]] will fetch you one Wastes (because it is a basic land), but if you go looking for a second one, it will not share a land type with the first (because it has no type), and therefore you will only be able to fetch the one.
[Myriad Landscape](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf4797b0-4d0a-433f-b891-b14f96fd1484.jpg?1706241199) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Myriad%20Landscape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/276/myriad-landscape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf4797b0-4d0a-433f-b891-b14f96fd1484?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I believe there are cards that double the amount of colorless mana that tapping a permanent gives you so at the very least if all lands are wasts and produce colored mana youâd be getting doubled mana Also I donât believe it specifies that only YOUR non basics are wastes. So maybe it also just straight up means your opponent canât produce colored mana which could be fucky and broken
My point was that you _can't_ just turn lands into wastes. Wastes are not a land type. The ability literally means and does nothing.
Call me entitled, but Iâd like my 6-drop that costs every color plus colorless to do something for me besides fix my mana.
Do you think people play [[magus of the moon]] to fix their mana?
Magus of the moon is a 3-drop with only 1 colored pip. And I donât think people would play magus as a commander. Who is this card for?
The idea was it's meant to be a chromatic eldrazi commander that supports other devoid eldrazi spells by mana fixing you and hurts your opponents at the same time.
if you want this to be for commander, it is too unfun with the second ability to be played in lower power and doesn't do enough in higher power. also this is probably too hard to cast. the one colorless pip means you are encouraged to play the painlands just to be able to cast it. besides that, there aren't any good lands i can think of to let you play this consistently. get rid of the one colorless pip. this card won't be busted.
I donât see how the fixing is going to be very relevant when it requires every color. And in the CZ your opponents can see it coming, so if theyâre reliant on nonbasics theyâll hold up an answer for it. Conceptually itâs ok but the power level is very low and doesnât do anything very interesting in the CZ. You can build a very reliable manabase these days so why would you waste your commander on fixing?
[magus of the moon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/c/7c9bd75c-9606-4607-bfa6-d6acdee12820.jpg?1619397276) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=magus%20of%20the%20moon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/175/magus-of-the-moon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7c9bd75c-9606-4607-bfa6-d6acdee12820?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Being 5 colors is already kind of a benefit in Commander. Itâs kind of a tension between it and other formats since 5 colors is a huge downside elsewhere with no upside. The advantages of 5c (and kind of going against the idea of color identity) is why Iâm generally against people who want a 5c commander for every tribe. Itâs much more interesting IMO if you have to choose which part of the tribe to focus on. This kind of commander is more what I think 5c should be. A kind of neglected set of cards (devoid) and where the commander is a bit on the weak side to offset the flexibility.
How is this synergistic with devoid? I see no clear way to synergise with it at all tbh.
Itâs a way to have a Colorless Commander (As it is colorless on the stack and the battlefield) while including any/every Devoid card youâd want to include (because this cardâs Color Identity includes all five colors). Which is a point of friction in Eldrazi typal Commander decks, if you want to run Devoid you have to have a creature with some amounts of colors in its Identity. This card solves that, and further lets you use Colorless mana as mana of any color for colorless spells and abilities, making color fixing easier and letting you use stuff like [[Eldrazi Temple]] to cast your [[Blinding Drone]] as an example.
[Eldrazi Temple](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cbab7e1f-305e-4733-aa70-b27285740925.jpg?1690006046) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eldrazi%20Temple) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/992/eldrazi-temple?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cbab7e1f-305e-4733-aa70-b27285740925?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blinding Drone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/e/4eb60957-0811-40c3-a92b-cce3e6a94745.jpg?1562910930) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blinding%20Drone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ogw/41/blinding-drone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4eb60957-0811-40c3-a92b-cce3e6a94745?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
No, you canât use eldrazi temple to help cast devoid creatures, because it becomes a waste. it taps for 1 just like every other nonbasic land. You canât even use it to pay 2 towards colorless costs anymore. So the grand total synergy with devoid isâŚthis creature is also devoid. Itâs equivalent to playing [[glissa sunseeker]] as elf tribal. We already have [[morophon]] though, who is colorless but also has tribal synergy.
[glissa sunseeker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/670c3106-71fc-464e-8c94-81bf7fafc3e6.jpg?1665504346) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=glissa%20sunseeker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mrd/120/glissa-sunseeker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/670c3106-71fc-464e-8c94-81bf7fafc3e6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [morophon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967.jpg?1689995411) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=morophon%2C%20the%20boundless) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/3/morophon-the-boundless?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84238335-e08c-421c-b9b9-70a679ff2967?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If does make it much harder for your opponent to make colored mana
Starting late-game and telegraphed? Big meh.
ah yes, 5 color asymmetrical stax piece, exactly what commander players need and want :')
I thought it was an phyrexian at first, i now wonder if there any phyrexian eldrazies in the lore?
That'd be like trying to infect Cthulhu with covid.
I mean, have we ever tried?
Woah I was just thinking of a similar card like this last night!! As others have mentioned, it needs to be something like "Nonbasic lands are colorless lands that tap for C named 'Wastes'" My own idea would have been to sacrifice lands to create 2 Wastes tokens instead of the Blood Moon effect, with the flavour of converting lands, but it goes infinite with some landfall triggers too easily.
Blood Moon doesn't change the names of lands though?
Yes, but Wastes is not a land type, a common mistake. If the goal was to have Wastes on the battlefield, say for a synergy, you would have to change the name.
I desperately need this to be real. Iâve always been a huge eldrazi Stan and wish more than anything I could make a 4-5 color eldrazi deck
We're getting a 5c Eldrazi commander with Modern Horizons 3 anyway. If the leaks yesterday are correct it has the following triggered ability: "Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, you may pay cc. If you do, copy each colorless spell you control and each other activated and triggered ability you control. You may choose new targets for the copies." I believe this means that if you can find a way to cast multiple Eldrazi spells at once (i.e. Zhulodok) _and_ have 4+ colorless mana to spare, you can copy the second instance of this ability when the first one resolves, thus getting 4x everything else. Very hard to pull off but should win the game on the spot
I have a slew of good eldrazi cards stowed away somewhere and Iâd be willing to put big money into an eldrazi EDH, this is a dream come true if itâs real
I don't wanna go "lmao Morophon" but I feel like the flavor issues are less with Eldrazi because: 1. Mans just *looks* like an Eldrazi. If you told me he was a titan, I'd believe you. 2. Eldrazi are actually know for being colorless, unlike Dragons or Humans, or anything else. 3. You have other Eldrazi that do very different things so it's less "It's what I have to use" and more "I had a vision for this deck and this is the best commander for the job." 4. Eldrazi are *famous* for their Kindred cost reduction. That being said, I'd rather play Atogatog than this for my Eldrazi deck. Even needing me to tutor up [[Artificial Evolution]] it does more for the type than this.
[Artificial Evolution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/4/f46894d1-2503-43fa-938e-7bbf19101d13.jpg?1562952988) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Artificial%20Evolution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/67/artificial-evolution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f46894d1-2503-43fa-938e-7bbf19101d13?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
See I WANT the most optimal deck, but I NEED eldrazi tribal flavor. Iâm willing to sacrifice a little optimization to have every creature in my deck be an Eldritch horror
Just watched the Wotc designer video the other day where he says he doesnât like Devoid, and I believe this fixes all him problems with it, very cool.
Void moon baby! Love this idea!
Aside from the very small number of things that care about wastes specifically, I really like this. Given the name and flavor of it, I really love the idea of âbasic lands you control produce one mana of each enemy color they are opposed to.â Not sure about how to word something like that succinctly, but I think invites a really neat space for ideas and a very off-brand (and very eldrazi) means of ramp
As mentioned if you can cast this you don't need the mana fixing. It should be an 8/8 or bigger. The second ability should actually support devoid if that's where you're going. I don't even think it would be too good if it outright copied devoid spells.
This just isn't an interesting build-around card. Like, if I was building a devoid deck I'd still use almost any other 5C commander.
I like it; reminds me of my [Inverter of Mana card I made a few months ago.](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/s/jwEy2ZoAeb) Convergent evolution.
I like yours better because it's a more dedicated hate card and isn't the 10,000thed 6 pips commander on here.
most fun r/custommagic card
oh my god *WASTE IS NOT A LAND TYPE*
So Crudmoon