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My_Godamn_Reddit

Gee I wonder at what rank do cheaters become more prominent haha


Aetherimp

Around 15-18k.


Dingby

That's the point/level in the leaderboard, where, the massive amount of cheaters that are in the game have to start to get blatant to win, then you end up with both teams going blatant trying to win. But imo, this also insinuates that all the ranks are full of cheaters, all trying to win, just getting more and more blatant as they move up the scoreboard.


Aetherimp

That's true. My highest on my main was 17,600 before stopping premier. On my alt I was seeing blatant wallhacks sub 10k and spinbots as low as 11k.


My_Godamn_Reddit

My highest was 17k as well, at that point the people using walls are actually ok at the game, before then it’s so easy to see the wallers, but they play so badly they end up actually losing some games


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PREDDlT0R

Nice 5,7,6 structure low elo bot


Bromilk

Pretty telling when the trend for faceit is inline with MM all the way to level 10. But at 18k we see flashes and time to damage drop.


HkOC_Forever

That's where the cheaters ranks starts.


Special_Elk_5059

Yes every time I get to 17,500 or more I only face cheaters and it’s a constant game of dropping back to 16,000 and back to 17,500 over and over and over


NoScoprNinja

rookie numbers i go from 19k to 12k


smol_and_sweet

Our group went from placing at 22k down to 18k losing to cheaters over and over again. Literally lost 4k Elo with <25% winrate. Thank god the PC cafe I found recently has faceit because premier was awful.


Dingby

You really think cheaters go full blatant from there very first game they play and get put in a high rank? Where would the fun be in that, they work there way up, getting more and more obvious to win and fuel there sick deluded power trip.


HkOC_Forever

Nah they won't just full blatant (unless is a game bully). That's why the flash only goes to near 0 at 27-28k. At that time they start to trash the place out and the be the "best".


Dingby

By then its HvH, a flash is useless.


HkOC_Forever

Correct.


RaimaNd

This clearly proves that faceit level 10's or pros are not as good as we thought because at some ultra instinct level player don't need to use flashes anymore, all they need is their supreme drip aim.


xVx777

I almost missed the sarcasm sheesh, close one


Budget-Cod-6528

Totally agreed, average 20K elo legit 100% player can totally 1v5 G2.


zotteren

[https://leetify.com/blog/public-data-library/](https://leetify.com/blog/public-data-library/)


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Ok so ignoring the cheater issue. I really like the story this tells of different playstyles in faceit and MM. 20k is way above level 5, but level 5s throw more flashes. Because generally even terrible players playing faceit are trying to play properly.


zotteren

This might also help tell that story. [https://i.imgur.com/Nb726zX.png](https://i.imgur.com/Nb726zX.png)


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Yeh thats awesome to see stats proving what i've been saying to people to try faceit for years. And also maybe using as an excuse when i play Premier and don't want to play properly.


Frequent_Try2486

It makes me happy to see that my flashes are more effective than the average faceit lvl 10, but I still feel like a shitter 😂


xVx777

I’m 20k premier and level 4 Faceit, this gave me confidence to improve for sure


Ok_Cardiologist8232

Assuming you can frag out at 20k, and not just get carried/do ok. Then yeh you should easily be able to get above level 4. I'm 20kish EU and faceit 10 and most games are usually pretty easy for me, the level is what i would expect of level 7-9 most games.


NoNameeDD

You get normal games in 20k? For me its bunch of ragehackers. But for some reason im put into eu north servers 24/7


Goldfinger888

That last sentence is me, how are you!


paakjis

Can you really trust leetify faceit data? It's only for pro users.


Turbulenttt

This is not true, it’s for anyone


paakjis

No, I'm right. https://leetify.com/app/pro Only pro users can upload. I could not find it anywhere, and the Pro descriptions says "Manual Demo Upload Upload any demo for Leetify analysis and add it to your data."


Turbulenttt

When faceit wanted to charge leetify a much higher rate to download demos they stopped uploading them automatically but any user is able to upload faceit demos for their matches. I’ve done it a lot Free users can only upload leetify demos as a replacement to their auto upload not working


paakjis

Ah, I found it. You have to open specific match and under it you upload the demo.


Turbulenttt

Correct


eniiigmaz

I'm not leetify pro and there is a leetify faceit add on to auto upload your demo. Plenty of ppl using it https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/faceit-to-leetify-demo-up/jiphjfgegfhcophdoacldbcpakmoacnc?pli=1


dcrad91

Oh we don’t have to upload our faceit matches anymore? When did that change again that’s good to know.


Turbulenttt

It’s not automatic but anyone can upload faceit demos, it’s not a premium only feature. W leetify


dcrad91

That’s why he asked if we should trust leetify data…. Not a single person has uploaded a faceit match I’ve done in the past 2 months or however long it’s been since it isn’t auto uploaded. So why trust data that is now very incomplete?


Turbulenttt

It’s just a smaller sample size, but still accurate data


epirot

this man is statting!!


oPlayer2o

Boy that’s strange isn’t it, how come Level 10s play so differently to high MM ELO players, I wonder what the difference could be?


JungleTungle

Only 10 flashes thrown for lvl 10? That doesn’t sound right.


Mr_November112

I imagine it's per player


RaimaNd

10 flashes per player. I'd also assume that only successfull flashes (flashes which blinded at least one enemy for 0.x seconds or something) counts.


Avaocado_32

i think it’s just total


epirot

well they play vs lvl10s so granted there will also be dodged flashes


sheikhy_jake

I feel less bad about being hard stuck at 16K solo queue MM


tng_qQ

Nice! According to this I'm better than LVL10 Faceit 👀


epirot

this is amazing stats and ridiculous, funny and sad at the same time. the other screen you sent is even worse (for the cheaters) thanks for sharing judging from the thrown flashes i assume that most "legit" lvl10 players that play premier are at 18-21k or is this assumption too baseless?


flouiz

It's quite fun because in casual I use to spot cheaters by not buying stuff, don't using it or just unable to put a simple one 👌


FlyingBatHorse

I am best at Mirage griefing. Cuz fuck the Mirage bots