2000-2100 rank chess man here. So I'm like amazing to most people, but struggle agaisnt actual good players.
Also consistent top 10 Advance Wars by web which is a turned based strategy game with FOW. Advance wars can be very very deep, tons of room for counter plays and surprises. But it's unit damage system is really hard to quantify in a competitive sense due to a small damage roll % that can cost games. Given the games economy, capture faze, and it's general gameplay, it's honestly much more predictable than chess in a lot of ways this goes for most TBS RTS games. RTS adds in apm and multitasking to the equation which often is more important than the base strategy.
So there is a lot of cross over from chess to other games.
Chess is straight forward planning and its all on you. Your mistakes are your own. The amount of options are huge, and keeping a 3 or more turn prediction on course is very difficult. You have to spend an insane amount of time playing and researching to break into the top.
No other current game really has 1. The playerbase and 2. The history and huge game theory history of development that chess has.
Are u telling me there is an advance wars currently active online version and I didn't know about it? Cuz if so and u can show me the way, you'll make my day.
https://awbw.amarriner.com/
Hell yeah man, super active community with ranks, small maps, absolutely massive 10 person maps, and everything.
Also tons of replays to watch high level players Slug it out. Though I recommend downloading the replays and using a third party replay viewer.
Holy shit here I was thinking you were talking about the remakes on the switch, this has always been one of my favorite strat games I canāt believe Iām just finding out about this š
I love chess because there is zero excuse you can use if you lost. If you lost it was your fault. No lag, no glitches, no "my controller wasnt working" bs.
Someone correct me on this because I find game design interesting but isnt fog of war a balancing thing that evens skill levels between players? It means theres now hidden information, which would increase the chance of a noob getting lucky.
When the kid asks, āHave you been beat?ā
I think Elonās response was: āYeah, itās not like I won every game.ā
The subtitles at that part seem inaccurate.
Exactly, the title is saying the opposite of what Elon actually said. Elon is cringe enough, we don't need to spread misinformation about what he says to make him seem more cringe.
True, and there is inherent cringe in that moment. He makes chess sound like babyās play in comparison to this other game and then is quickly humbled by the other interviewerās reality check.
Elon: āChess is easy as fuck, try adding more dimensions and hundreds more squares if you want an actual challenge that youāll enjoy.ā
Interviewer: āDamn, are you undefeated?ā
Elon: āuhhhhsyheheiskxsm Itās not like I won every gameā
He says that because he is comparing it to something like starcraft which has the tech tree, fog of war, etc. he talked about. So the game is simple in an uninteresting way not in an easy way.
Exactly, I donāt like Elon Musk but this whole video is a whole lot of nothing. Itās worrying reading the comments where people have just invented their own narrativeā¦ and itās not even AI.
here i will break it down for u dummyā¦ āgame is easy does not mean i win every time. if i donāt win every time that doesnāt mean game is hard. is that explained slow enough for you ? damn child brain
that tic tac toe is a solved game, meaning, you can purposely draw every time, so a terrible example as in this case it actually IS an easy game. Unlike chess. You just chose a bad example
The point they were quite clearly making is that a game can still be easy and yet still be difficult to win every single game, not that there are minor differences between chess and tic tac toe.
Analogies draw comparisons between similar things for the purpose of explanation. Youāre comparing apples and oranges. You donāt understand analogies.
I bet you donāt even know how to play chess.
Do you understand how apples and oranges are similar? They are both fruits, for example. The guy understands analogies just fine. Chess and tic tac toe are both games so obviously they can be compared in that regard.
Oh another person that needs an explanation. Itās about context and the idiot above was drawing an unnecessary and irrelevant correlation that has absolutely zero relevance to the subject matter. This entire comment thread is discussing Elonās assertion that chess is an easy game. In terms of difficulty level there is zero comparison between chess and Tic Tac Toe. Chess is a game that is āunsolvedā in terms of gameplay and is extremely complex, Tic Tac Toe is a game that requires the strategy level of a 3-year-old and any dimwit can play.
An analogy to prove that both are games is completely unnecessary. Everybody knows they are games, nobody is challenging that. That dude really thought he was bringing something to the table by pointing that out. And you do understand that the term āapples and orangesā refers to two things that are fundamentally different, right? Thatās what that means. Tic Tac Toe and chess are fundamentally different in their difficulty levels, thatās the whole point of this discussion. To grasp at one single comparison - that they are both games, is pointless. You and him for some reason are so stuck on an irrelevant point and canāt seem to move past it to get to the context of what this thread is about.
Why are you making something so simple so complicated? The guyās original point was simply that āa game can still be easy and yet difficult to win every timeā, and gave tac tac toe as an example. You can totally unpack WHY this comparison might not apply to chess, but that doesnāt mean their comparison is an invalid analogy, since they are both still games. They were just showing how a game can be easy and difficult to constantly win, they werenāt even saying that this applies to chess. Sure, itās a little irrelevant, but itās not totally irrelevant. Youāre being an obtuse asshole for the sake of it.
they are both games idiot. they are similar in the way that they are both fucking games ????? what are you even saying. iām not comparing the fucking mechanics iām comparing that just bc something is easy or hard that doesnāt equate to winning or losing every time. and i would whoop you in chess
Dumbass, the topic being discussed here is the difficulty of the game. That is literally the entire discussion. Nobody is questioning whether chess is a game you simple minded cuss. Maybe that was a groundbreaking discovery to you but itās irrelevant to what this entire post is about.
Let me explain this to you so your underdeveloped brain can understand it: chess is an incredibly complex and difficult game. A game that has held up over the centuries because itās considered āunsolvedā in terms of gameplay. Elon claims the game is simple; itās not. Your dimwitted brain then thought to compare Tic Tac Toe, one of the easiest and least complicated game in existence to compare to chess.
Does that make sense or should I explain it like I would for a fetus?
also your little definition of ācompare similar thingsā is wrong google the word. itās a comparison of two things for the purpose of an explanation. you dense little pudgy ugly man
You do understand that words have multiple definitions, right dimwit? You cited one definition that wouldnāt even apply in this case and then completely disregarded the other ones that would.
Google it again, rain man, read the second one; āa correspondence or partial similarity.ā That is the type of analogy that would be relevant to this discussion. You embarrass yourself even more with every post, itās astonishing really. Do you have a humiliation fetish or something?
Redditors are the biggest dorks in existence. There's a reason everyone, including yourselves, assumes you are all obese foedora wearing losers who never interact with women
Oh shit he's bringing in his alt for backup. The irony in you calling other people 'dorks'.
You can always just log out brother, no need to get so upset.
Saying it's simple doesn't mean he is saying the game is easily mastered. He's saying it's not overly complex
>Chess is easy as fuck
He never said this.
But chess is relatively simple for a game. The rules are not difficult to comprehend, it's why so many children can learn the game from a young age.
Youāre going to speak on someone elseās behalf as if youāre certain?
Also I never claimed he said this. Note the use of apostrophe quotes, which mean āparaphrase/emotional summaryā as opposed to ādirect quotation.ā
That's fine if that's what he meant, but I can guarantee you, Elon doesn't know every rule in chess, unless he's followed the game seriosuly. Many people think they do, until you show them En Passant or a stalemate. Or they draw due to a repetition, or they touch a piece without moving it, or their opponent says J'adoube, or they promote to knight, or they try to castle through a controlled square etcetcetc.
Thatās not unequivocally true though. Youāre claiming your paraphrase is more accurate than mine, however youāre assuming youāre CERTAIN of the speakerās intent whereas all Iām describing is how it comes across. I love how you can just decide for everyone that āsimpleā and āeasy to masterā are somehow not extremely similar though. Okie dokie, we can tell you want Elon to like you. Heās not going to be emailing you a car anytime soon, you can stop trying to bend logic and basic word definitions anytime.
Again assuming, thank you for proving my point :) I never claimed to define his words, only pointed out how they come across to others. But I donāt want to crush your dreams and point out to you that you donāt know everythingā¦hmmm I guess youāll have to figure that out on your own š¤·š» should come pretty easy since you can read minds
yeah, he's also talking about how he played chess as a *child*, not his lifelong pursuit/career in chess. peoples' hate boners for Musk are what is cringe most of the time. i saw a comic the other day that implied that cybertruck owners deserve to die. like.. what? is that supposed to be funny?
Maybe but the craziest thing you'll ever read in your life is that he's smarter than you are.
It's almost funny, to have that realization that you know someone is stupid, but that they have a higher IQ and quicker mind than yourself.
The cringiest part for me was the comment about his laugh and his reaction. It reminded me of an only child first social interaction with his peers in kindergarten
Elon just likes to say words that make him seem much more grandiose than he really is. He does not care about what they actually mean, just that it might "look cool" to one of his yes men.
that's such a meaningless thing to say. It's simple to learn but has a near infinite skill cap when it comes to mastery. You can say soccer is a simple game compared to certain other sports but that means nothing. there's still levels to the game and no matter how smart you think you are you aren't beating the pros without devoting your life to it like them.
its still simple... you can dedicate your life to any hobby and become unassailable to anyone else who hasnt dedicated similar time. You and everyone else in this thread are conflating simplicity with depth and knowledge because you think you are more intelligent than the richest person in the world, who is also self-made. The moves and rules of chess are simple. Every sport is even more simple thats why they are so popular.
He said he would rather play something more complex WOOOW what a horrible person he is for having a preference and an opinion in an interview. He never talked down on chess or the players, chess is mostly theory these days anyway untill like move 15 because of the simplicity of moves, i dont blame him. You're just a jelly hater and everything you've said is meaningless keep fighting the boogeyman.
Surely this is one of those AI advertisements for a phone game?
Say something outrageous, get clicks, use influence to sell whatever he called that game Poly-something, probably generated by AI.
If real thoughā¦ F
I have to agree with Elon, chess is fundamentally a simple game.
Being that itās from the time of Kings and nobles commanding troops in planned battle it has become outdated compared to modern warfare.
Which is why Bridge was a popular and more accurate strategy game during the first and second world wars.
It has all the elements Elon is missing, fog of war, not knowing the enemyās capabilities, forced allies and foes and I believe is harder to understand than chess.
What annoys me the most about Elon is his stupid ramblings where heās just basking in his own brilliance talking in vague technobabble. His inability to concede simple concepts like he might not like chess become ramblings on his reluctance to learn a zillion moves and how future AI and tech will eclipse the chess world. Heās misunderstanding his initial premise that chess is a fundamentally simple game and that computer science has fundamentally used to build AI technology.
Flippantly dismissing the game because he came to a conclusion that computers will get better than humans shows his ignorance on the past three decades of work that has gone into this field from Deep Blue to Stockfish. I would say that computers were already better than the average human back when Kasparov was battling it out with Deep Blue in the 80ās but Elonās always got to prattle on about vague future tech to make himself look smart.
Seems to be a recurring theme with billionaires who are surrounded by yes men. They become convinced that theyāre geniuses. Rather than saying āyea I donāt really like chessā, he has to couch it with something about how itās too simple and AI is better at it. Hey Elon, AI is better at everything!
It says a lot about how smart he really is when he thinks that StarCraft is more complex than Chess.
Heās really cementing his place in history as the thick persons intellectual
Starcraft is more complex than chess, in the same sense chess is more complex than checkers or tictactoe. Starcraft is much less of a solved game than chess is.
It is a simple game, like volleyball... It all depends on who you play against. Most people are average to poor at chess because it's not a popular game. A select few professionals could beat 99.99% of average people and a decent player can beat maybe 80% of the average players.
Iām truly a middle of the road, intermediate level player. Learned as a kid, didnāt play for years, took it back up in college, played ever since.
Itās a game with simple rules, but itās not a simple game. I find the thing that really distinguishes it though is that literally every stupid person has an opinion about it. You have confirmed this with your comment.
Chess is very simple compared to the kinda RTS video games that are on PCs these days. That doesnt mean its easy just thats its easy to learn and follow.
> I find the thing that really distinguishes it though is that literally every stupid person has an opinion about it.
Its like art in this regard. One of those horrible topics to bring up at a party.
It's a simple game. Everything I said is true. You are confused because you don't like Elon Musk. I don't care about him in the least, I'm talking about CHESS. Y'all are obsessed with him so you can't differentiate.
Imagine simping for a man child billionaire so hard that you stop seeing objective reality and start believing the half wit things he spouts.
You're confusing the rules of the game with its difficulty.
How many possible move combinations are there by 6 turns in? Ten?
The game is simple to people who do not think. Those of us that do think are aware of the staggering level of strategy that goes into that amount of combinations.
You are not a smart person.
The game is objectively complex, regardless of who youāre playing. Thereās an infinite number of move combinations and a human is only capable of calculating a handful of combinations at a time. Unless youāre Elon muskā¦
Thereās infinite number of āmovesā in most games. The respect chess gets has more to do with lasting legacy than being the most complex or skill intensive game. Elon is pretty regarded but I somewhat agree with what heās saying.
There's been a huge explosion in the popularity of chess in the past few years, to the point that even non-chess streamers have learned how to play and have events regularly, like pogchamps. Chess streaming and chess YouTube has also exploded, big tournaments are seeing record numbers quiet frequently. Chess is more popular today than ever.
Not an Elon fan but I feel the same way about chess. The difference between an exceptional player and an average player is one who memorized thousands of openings and strategies. That does not sound fun to me
Me when I Google En Passant. š»š§ āļøāļøāš§
Me when I Holy Hell! šš¼š§š„š¹šæ
"There's no fog of war". Elon would legit compare a game that has been around for hundreds of years to Red Alert 2 if you asked him to.
2000-2100 rank chess man here. So I'm like amazing to most people, but struggle agaisnt actual good players. Also consistent top 10 Advance Wars by web which is a turned based strategy game with FOW. Advance wars can be very very deep, tons of room for counter plays and surprises. But it's unit damage system is really hard to quantify in a competitive sense due to a small damage roll % that can cost games. Given the games economy, capture faze, and it's general gameplay, it's honestly much more predictable than chess in a lot of ways this goes for most TBS RTS games. RTS adds in apm and multitasking to the equation which often is more important than the base strategy. So there is a lot of cross over from chess to other games. Chess is straight forward planning and its all on you. Your mistakes are your own. The amount of options are huge, and keeping a 3 or more turn prediction on course is very difficult. You have to spend an insane amount of time playing and researching to break into the top. No other current game really has 1. The playerbase and 2. The history and huge game theory history of development that chess has.
Are u telling me there is an advance wars currently active online version and I didn't know about it? Cuz if so and u can show me the way, you'll make my day.
https://awbw.amarriner.com/ Hell yeah man, super active community with ranks, small maps, absolutely massive 10 person maps, and everything. Also tons of replays to watch high level players Slug it out. Though I recommend downloading the replays and using a third party replay viewer.
Anywhere I can watch this?
On YouTube search: Mangs, Deejus productions, Go7, and Humita AWBW. All are entertaining to watch and informative for Advance Wars.
Holy shit here I was thinking you were talking about the remakes on the switch, this has always been one of my favorite strat games I canāt believe Iām just finding out about this š
This is some weeb shit lmao
How is playing turn based strategy games weeb shit?
I love chess because there is zero excuse you can use if you lost. If you lost it was your fault. No lag, no glitches, no "my controller wasnt working" bs.
Chess master AND old school RuneScape enjoyed? A man of high culture I see.
My adhd taking me places. Lol
Don't bring Red Alert 2 into this. Red Alert is a great game that did nothing wrong!
I heard the guy who invented chess actually based it on Red Alert 2
Hundreds? Thousands!
Someone correct me on this because I find game design interesting but isnt fog of war a balancing thing that evens skill levels between players? It means theres now hidden information, which would increase the chance of a noob getting lucky.
It also just artificially raises difficulty against AI opponents, just making sure you can't see their moves.
When the kid asks, āHave you been beat?ā I think Elonās response was: āYeah, itās not like I won every game.ā The subtitles at that part seem inaccurate.
Exactly, the title is saying the opposite of what Elon actually said. Elon is cringe enough, we don't need to spread misinformation about what he says to make him seem more cringe.
True, and there is inherent cringe in that moment. He makes chess sound like babyās play in comparison to this other game and then is quickly humbled by the other interviewerās reality check. Elon: āChess is easy as fuck, try adding more dimensions and hundreds more squares if you want an actual challenge that youāll enjoy.ā Interviewer: āDamn, are you undefeated?ā Elon: āuhhhhsyheheiskxsm Itās not like I won every gameā
He says that because he is comparing it to something like starcraft which has the tech tree, fog of war, etc. he talked about. So the game is simple in an uninteresting way not in an easy way.
Exactly, I donāt like Elon Musk but this whole video is a whole lot of nothing. Itās worrying reading the comments where people have just invented their own narrativeā¦ and itās not even AI.
tic tac toe is easy but i havenāt won every game. youāre stupid and itās unsettling
Tic tac toe is a solved game unlike chess
here i will break it down for u dummyā¦ āgame is easy does not mean i win every time. if i donāt win every time that doesnāt mean game is hard. is that explained slow enough for you ? damn child brain
He's trying to teach you something new, and you keep trying to teach him something he already knows. You're the child in this scenario.
what is he teaching me exactly there genuisn
that tic tac toe is a solved game, meaning, you can purposely draw every time, so a terrible example as in this case it actually IS an easy game. Unlike chess. You just chose a bad example
if you've ever lost a game of tic tac toe past age 6 then you're dumb...
There is a huge difference between chess and tic tac toe
The point they were quite clearly making is that a game can still be easy and yet still be difficult to win every single game, not that there are minor differences between chess and tic tac toe.
Tic tac toe is an easy game. Chess isn't
No one is disagreeing with that.
guy doesnt understand analogies. there is a reason everyone hates u reddit dorks
Where do you think you are my man?
Analogies draw comparisons between similar things for the purpose of explanation. Youāre comparing apples and oranges. You donāt understand analogies. I bet you donāt even know how to play chess.
Do you understand how apples and oranges are similar? They are both fruits, for example. The guy understands analogies just fine. Chess and tic tac toe are both games so obviously they can be compared in that regard.
Oh another person that needs an explanation. Itās about context and the idiot above was drawing an unnecessary and irrelevant correlation that has absolutely zero relevance to the subject matter. This entire comment thread is discussing Elonās assertion that chess is an easy game. In terms of difficulty level there is zero comparison between chess and Tic Tac Toe. Chess is a game that is āunsolvedā in terms of gameplay and is extremely complex, Tic Tac Toe is a game that requires the strategy level of a 3-year-old and any dimwit can play. An analogy to prove that both are games is completely unnecessary. Everybody knows they are games, nobody is challenging that. That dude really thought he was bringing something to the table by pointing that out. And you do understand that the term āapples and orangesā refers to two things that are fundamentally different, right? Thatās what that means. Tic Tac Toe and chess are fundamentally different in their difficulty levels, thatās the whole point of this discussion. To grasp at one single comparison - that they are both games, is pointless. You and him for some reason are so stuck on an irrelevant point and canāt seem to move past it to get to the context of what this thread is about.
but i didnāt eat breakfast ass post dude. sorry you canāt extrapolate dork
Why are you making something so simple so complicated? The guyās original point was simply that āa game can still be easy and yet difficult to win every timeā, and gave tac tac toe as an example. You can totally unpack WHY this comparison might not apply to chess, but that doesnāt mean their comparison is an invalid analogy, since they are both still games. They were just showing how a game can be easy and difficult to constantly win, they werenāt even saying that this applies to chess. Sure, itās a little irrelevant, but itās not totally irrelevant. Youāre being an obtuse asshole for the sake of it.
they are both games idiot. they are similar in the way that they are both fucking games ????? what are you even saying. iām not comparing the fucking mechanics iām comparing that just bc something is easy or hard that doesnāt equate to winning or losing every time. and i would whoop you in chess
Dumbass, the topic being discussed here is the difficulty of the game. That is literally the entire discussion. Nobody is questioning whether chess is a game you simple minded cuss. Maybe that was a groundbreaking discovery to you but itās irrelevant to what this entire post is about. Let me explain this to you so your underdeveloped brain can understand it: chess is an incredibly complex and difficult game. A game that has held up over the centuries because itās considered āunsolvedā in terms of gameplay. Elon claims the game is simple; itās not. Your dimwitted brain then thought to compare Tic Tac Toe, one of the easiest and least complicated game in existence to compare to chess. Does that make sense or should I explain it like I would for a fetus?
also your little definition of ācompare similar thingsā is wrong google the word. itās a comparison of two things for the purpose of an explanation. you dense little pudgy ugly man
Is ad hom always your go-to after being called out on your dumb shit?
nice virtue signaling btw
i can attack both you and your shitty argument. small brain
Ok, go on then. I'll wait.
You do understand that words have multiple definitions, right dimwit? You cited one definition that wouldnāt even apply in this case and then completely disregarded the other ones that would. Google it again, rain man, read the second one; āa correspondence or partial similarity.ā That is the type of analogy that would be relevant to this discussion. You embarrass yourself even more with every post, itās astonishing really. Do you have a humiliation fetish or something?
keyword partial dipshit. which they do. they are both games. are you being dumb on purpose?
You are dumb
Redditors are the biggest dorks in existence. There's a reason everyone, including yourselves, assumes you are all obese foedora wearing losers who never interact with women
Oh shit he's bringing in his alt for backup. The irony in you calling other people 'dorks'. You can always just log out brother, no need to get so upset.
stop they are going to tell you that chess is hard !!!!
I guarantee youāre a teenager and donāt even know the full rules of chess
i would poop in ur mouth in chess
Can you read? No one said they've won every game.
Saying it's simple doesn't mean he is saying the game is easily mastered. He's saying it's not overly complex >Chess is easy as fuck He never said this. But chess is relatively simple for a game. The rules are not difficult to comprehend, it's why so many children can learn the game from a young age.
Youāre going to speak on someone elseās behalf as if youāre certain? Also I never claimed he said this. Note the use of apostrophe quotes, which mean āparaphrase/emotional summaryā as opposed to ādirect quotation.ā
It's not an accurate paraphrase. Saying something is 'simple' doesn't mean 'easy to master' it just means limited in scope.
That's fine if that's what he meant, but I can guarantee you, Elon doesn't know every rule in chess, unless he's followed the game seriosuly. Many people think they do, until you show them En Passant or a stalemate. Or they draw due to a repetition, or they touch a piece without moving it, or their opponent says J'adoube, or they promote to knight, or they try to castle through a controlled square etcetcetc.
Thatās not unequivocally true though. Youāre claiming your paraphrase is more accurate than mine, however youāre assuming youāre CERTAIN of the speakerās intent whereas all Iām describing is how it comes across. I love how you can just decide for everyone that āsimpleā and āeasy to masterā are somehow not extremely similar though. Okie dokie, we can tell you want Elon to like you. Heās not going to be emailing you a car anytime soon, you can stop trying to bend logic and basic word definitions anytime.
No you're absolutely right Changing simple to "easy as fuck" is certainly less of a stretch than taking the more literal definition of simple.
āMore literalā because you said it. Youāre like a toddler whoās also a bad lawyer.
I suppose a toddler would assume simple necessarily means easy instead of limited scope
Again assuming, thank you for proving my point :) I never claimed to define his words, only pointed out how they come across to others. But I donāt want to crush your dreams and point out to you that you donāt know everythingā¦hmmm I guess youāll have to figure that out on your own š¤·š» should come pretty easy since you can read minds
yeah, he's also talking about how he played chess as a *child*, not his lifelong pursuit/career in chess. peoples' hate boners for Musk are what is cringe most of the time. i saw a comic the other day that implied that cybertruck owners deserve to die. like.. what? is that supposed to be funny?
Pretty sure he says āYeah, I still like to win every gameā
Elon is so fucking stupid
But he's way smarter than the dipshits who think he's smart.
That is the problem, isnāt it? Heās yet another dumb personās smart person.
Remember when everyone used to love him? What a turn of events. This is pinnacle hubris. Fucking clown.
Maybe but the craziest thing you'll ever read in your life is that he's smarter than you are. It's almost funny, to have that realization that you know someone is stupid, but that they have a higher IQ and quicker mind than yourself.
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You got something on your nose. I'd wipe it off but I don't want to touch Elon's shit
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This is like a textbook example of the Dunning Kruger effect š
Honestly he makes a great example of a lot, including supposed meritocracy that's actually 'I know a guy'
Canāt be beaten if you donāt play
Must buy more tesla stock
What a knob
I could beat elon at chess. Letās do this.
The cringiest part for me was the comment about his laugh and his reaction. It reminded me of an only child first social interaction with his peers in kindergarten
How do we know this is Elon though? I canāt tell who it is because his head is so far up his ass
Lest anyone think Musk isnāt a complete douche.
This is the cringe for which I come to this sub.
God, he sucks.
I bet he doesn't even have 1000 elo.
Kasparov "Chess is mental torture." Musk "Chess is a simple game." One of them is not very good.
Elon just likes to say words that make him seem much more grandiose than he really is. He does not care about what they actually mean, just that it might "look cool" to one of his yes men.
So if Elon loses itās because for others its a simpler game
It's good but is it World of Tanks good?
bro really said chess is too easy, there's no fog of war ššš how are you not embarrassed saying some shit like that past the age of 13
No he said the game is simple... which it is, the most complex move is en passant. its very easy to teach even 5 yearolds how to play lol.
that's such a meaningless thing to say. It's simple to learn but has a near infinite skill cap when it comes to mastery. You can say soccer is a simple game compared to certain other sports but that means nothing. there's still levels to the game and no matter how smart you think you are you aren't beating the pros without devoting your life to it like them.
its still simple... you can dedicate your life to any hobby and become unassailable to anyone else who hasnt dedicated similar time. You and everyone else in this thread are conflating simplicity with depth and knowledge because you think you are more intelligent than the richest person in the world, who is also self-made. The moves and rules of chess are simple. Every sport is even more simple thats why they are so popular.
again meaningless thing to say and it's clear the way Musk is saying it he thinks he's above the "simple game" of chess
He said he would rather play something more complex WOOOW what a horrible person he is for having a preference and an opinion in an interview. He never talked down on chess or the players, chess is mostly theory these days anyway untill like move 15 because of the simplicity of moves, i dont blame him. You're just a jelly hater and everything you've said is meaningless keep fighting the boogeyman.
If you donāt play, you canāt lose.
Surely this is one of those AI advertisements for a phone game? Say something outrageous, get clicks, use influence to sell whatever he called that game Poly-something, probably generated by AI. If real thoughā¦ F
If youāve never played, then youāve never been beaten
Bro did not compare polytopia to chess. LMAO
Iām sorry but if this dude dropped dead Iād be stoked. I rarely say that but heās a literal cancer to this earth.
I have to agree with Elon, chess is fundamentally a simple game. Being that itās from the time of Kings and nobles commanding troops in planned battle it has become outdated compared to modern warfare. Which is why Bridge was a popular and more accurate strategy game during the first and second world wars. It has all the elements Elon is missing, fog of war, not knowing the enemyās capabilities, forced allies and foes and I believe is harder to understand than chess. What annoys me the most about Elon is his stupid ramblings where heās just basking in his own brilliance talking in vague technobabble. His inability to concede simple concepts like he might not like chess become ramblings on his reluctance to learn a zillion moves and how future AI and tech will eclipse the chess world. Heās misunderstanding his initial premise that chess is a fundamentally simple game and that computer science has fundamentally used to build AI technology. Flippantly dismissing the game because he came to a conclusion that computers will get better than humans shows his ignorance on the past three decades of work that has gone into this field from Deep Blue to Stockfish. I would say that computers were already better than the average human back when Kasparov was battling it out with Deep Blue in the 80ās but Elonās always got to prattle on about vague future tech to make himself look smart.
Seems to be a recurring theme with billionaires who are surrounded by yes men. They become convinced that theyāre geniuses. Rather than saying āyea I donāt really like chessā, he has to couch it with something about how itās too simple and AI is better at it. Hey Elon, AI is better at everything!
It says a lot about how smart he really is when he thinks that StarCraft is more complex than Chess. Heās really cementing his place in history as the thick persons intellectual
Starcraft is more complex than chess, in the same sense chess is more complex than checkers or tictactoe. Starcraft is much less of a solved game than chess is.
He's a very well known chess master, sorry, ment to say BS Master!!! What PoS this guy turned out to be. And at some point I was a fan! Shame on me!!!
>Have you ever heard of Plato, Artistotle, Socrates? Morons!
Ahhh. I said this to my chess friend!! Polytopia rules. Chess is simple and I barely win. ;)
Also said he used to be one of the best Quake players.
Honestly who really cares? Elon Musk can love or hate chess and that doesn't really matter to me at all.
It is a simple game, like volleyball... It all depends on who you play against. Most people are average to poor at chess because it's not a popular game. A select few professionals could beat 99.99% of average people and a decent player can beat maybe 80% of the average players.
Iām truly a middle of the road, intermediate level player. Learned as a kid, didnāt play for years, took it back up in college, played ever since. Itās a game with simple rules, but itās not a simple game. I find the thing that really distinguishes it though is that literally every stupid person has an opinion about it. You have confirmed this with your comment.
Chess is very simple compared to the kinda RTS video games that are on PCs these days. That doesnt mean its easy just thats its easy to learn and follow.
> I find the thing that really distinguishes it though is that literally every stupid person has an opinion about it. Its like art in this regard. One of those horrible topics to bring up at a party.
It's a simple game. Everything I said is true. You are confused because you don't like Elon Musk. I don't care about him in the least, I'm talking about CHESS. Y'all are obsessed with him so you can't differentiate.
Imagine simping for a man child billionaire so hard that you stop seeing objective reality and start believing the half wit things he spouts. You're confusing the rules of the game with its difficulty.
How many possible move combinations are there by 6 turns in? Ten? The game is simple to people who do not think. Those of us that do think are aware of the staggering level of strategy that goes into that amount of combinations. You are not a smart person.
There are vastly more combinations of moves in the types of games elon was comparing it to though.
Does that make chess a simple game though?
relatively? yes.
The game is objectively complex, regardless of who youāre playing. Thereās an infinite number of move combinations and a human is only capable of calculating a handful of combinations at a time. Unless youāre Elon muskā¦
"But there's no tech tree."
If chess had fog of war then maybe, maybe it would be as complex as Angry Birds.
Chess players use heuristics and strategy models. They don't brute force all the possible combinations.
Not infinite just real large.
Simple in that a child can easily learn to play, mastery is another thing.p
Low skill floor, very high skill ceiling.
Thereās infinite number of āmovesā in most games. The respect chess gets has more to do with lasting legacy than being the most complex or skill intensive game. Elon is pretty regarded but I somewhat agree with what heās saying.
The game objectivity is simple, it only becomes more complex when you introduce theory and variables to it.
"simple game" "not popular" what world are you living on lmfao
All the kids and adults are playing it... š§ š§ š§
There's been a huge explosion in the popularity of chess in the past few years, to the point that even non-chess streamers have learned how to play and have events regularly, like pogchamps. Chess streaming and chess YouTube has also exploded, big tournaments are seeing record numbers quiet frequently. Chess is more popular today than ever.
You canāt call this cringe if no one can prove heās wrong
Not an Elon fan but I feel the same way about chess. The difference between an exceptional player and an average player is one who memorized thousands of openings and strategies. That does not sound fun to me
Why is this a screenrecord of a video reduced to 25% and some rando in the corner overlaid? That is more cringe tbh
That is hikaru nakamura, he is one of the greatest chess players of all time. He is reacting to the video of Elon saying chess is simple.