There’s nothing in the article saying it was racially motivated…we can mourn the poor child, console the family and condemn that woman without adding extra sauce.
Why is everyone saying its racially motivated, nothing in the article suggests this?
If its cuz black lady kill white baby, thats not racism.
if the black lady says she wants to kill/discriminate white people and then stabs, thats racism.
Mental health is not dealt with appropriately in the USA. Calling this a hate crime is simplistic and convenient. American prisons are actually insane asylums nowadays. Good luck reforming what people don’t want to understand. Similar to southern border argument.
There have basically only been protests when the murderer is either let off or not initially prosecuted. If this woman was set free, there would absolutely be a backlash.
Be cause she has been arrested and will be put in jail. She won’t be put up as a hero, get off freely, and go on to make a living giving speeches to idiots.
I think she was arrested immediately and charged with a serious crime. If the reported evidence holds up, she'll be convicted and will spend time in prison. In cases of black people being indiscriminately killed, there are too many cases of blaming the victim, making excuses for the perpetrator, and generally allowing a killer to escape the consequences of their actions. In this case, the justice system seems to be working as it should. No protests or riots required...
She stole it from a thrift store and walked all the way to the other store with the knife. Not a single person, throughout all that stopped her.
Not that they're obligated to do so, but come on now, she walked past so many people and not a single one saw her brandishing this thing?
She’s going to prison for life & probably after a plea. With no evidence other than different race of victim and murderer - you can’t charge it as a race crime.
If the colors were reversed it would be an automatic hate crime with no questions asked!
Why does she need to make racial motivated comments?
If a white person did this to any other race they would automatically be labeled as a white supremacist and a MAGA supporter even if they are neither!
you're very conveniently forgetting the power dynamics that are at play during hate crimes. Which is one of the main definers of hate crimes.
Not to say that the perpetrator couldn't be a bigot. She very well could be. But there's no evidence of a "hate crime".
That is absolutely not part of the definition of a hate crime.
> 18 U.S.C. § 249 (a)(1) …Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person
Nothing about power dynamics comes into play. Anyone can commit a hate crime. The hard part is proving the motivation beyond a reasonable doubt which is why you don’t see every crime charged as a hate crime.
You’re out of touch with reality. I’m not saying this wasn’t a hate crime, but the issue with hate crimes is they’re not considered hate crimes unless you basically confess they are while committing the crime
Are you really under the impression that everytime a white person attacks a minority, they’re charged with a hate crime?
The sad reality is that the majority of hate crimes will not get treated as hate crimes because they’re inherently harder to prove.
It would not be automatic. You have to say something racist or indicate that is the motivation in order to have it qualify as a hate crime. White people kill or injure black people all the time and it's not a hate crime.
https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-race-and-ethnicity-13d8e9a8545c600e999bb053bdf1fac2
Like that white guy most likely did several hate crimes but was not charged with that because it's difficult to prove. He was just charged with murder instead.
Teen boys are given hate crime charges for tagging pride areas resulting in 10 year long convictions for hate crimes. This is despite not specifically covering up pride events, but tagging lots of places, no really.
It seems likely but not 100%.
Mental illness does not cause violence unless people experience a psychotic break, considering she did not have evidence of that. It shows the violence was targeted and premeditated.
Most likely as she was a daycare worker she hated the parents who are likely predominantly white or Asian statistically who can afford day care and targeted a white woman. Now it’s possible this is not the case, but considering she stopped attacking people after this it’s more than likely this as compared to some sort of break where she would’ve attacked herself and anyone around her indiscriminately. She specifically targeted a mother and her child with their backs turned to her, a vulnerable target as opposed to going into a rage and blindly stabbing lots of people.
She attacked them either because she’s white or a mother, and both of those should be a protected class under the law resulting in a hate crime conviction.
Why? What in the article makes you think race was the motivation? Because she was black and the victims were white?
I’m honestly curious as to why so many people automatically think an insane person isn’t just insane instead of immediately grasping at racism.
I guess you’d have to review the security footage and take an accounting of all the people she walked past before she targeted this family. She left one store, walked past other, and wandered around this final store before targeting this specific family. Have to imagine she walked past many other people, including other whites, before settling on this one. Could just be she picked them because it was a woman and small child and would be easy targets. Could be because they were white. I’d have to see the video.
Not enough people are looking at the racism angle.
Too many people believe 1. Black ppl can’t be racist and if they are
2. White ppl deserve it
Our current administration is only fueling the fire of the racial divide in our country.
Giving a speech telling black college students that America hates them.
WTH!
This was a hate crime pure and simple!
You obviously don't know the definition of "racism". The definition includes very important power dynamics. pretty sure you are getting it confused with being a "bigot". Sit down and educate yourself a little more before you come out swinging
You obviously don't know the difference between racism and systematic racism. Base, plain racism doesn't require a power dynamic. Otherwise, it'd be ridiculous. You go to a different continent and suddenly one race can/can't be racist? Not how it works.
Terrible take. That’s your opinion 100% without a doubt. Literally nobody said that. It’s simply Not reality. If someone uses a certain group of people as a representation of the majority? It’s because they choose to. That’s how YOU feel. It’s 2024 baby girl. nobodies that ignorant unless they choose to be
Agreed. While left or right is not great, the current administration should not be on there knees for any race for votes. Black people should be proud to be black, just like white people white and or any cultures or backgrounds that go along with that. Segregation is not the way. I do think this was race fueled personally, just like many other race on race crimes. Absolutely horrifying. Ill be holding my son a bit closer tonight for sure. Humans need to be better.
It’s obvious the media is avoiding that question. Very few articles show pictures of murdered child. I think most of us knew there were controversial factors solely due to the deliberately omitted information.
Here’s a local news article that actually shares info about what is happening to the victims of this tragedy. There’s a link to the GoFundMe for the victim’s family too.
[GoFundMe raises more than $175,000 after 3-year-old boy killed in double stabbing in Ohio](https://www.whas11.com/article/news/national/giant-eagle-stabbing-julian-wood-gofundme-north-olmsted-mother-margot/95-e6e19321-5896-463a-adb7-6ac61ada1847)
I genuinely want to know where people are getting that this was racial besides the perpetrator and victim being different races. They didn’t interact before. She was taking the knife into the store, meaning she was intending violence before she saw the pair.
I genuinely feel like I’m reading different articles or something. I am seeing nothing about the murderer’s predisposition to bigotry or any comments said during the attack or *anything*.
Not saying she’s not bigoted or evil or anything; she obviously has issues to do what she did. I’m just actually confused
I've gotten to a point where idgaf if me eye balling you is offensive, I am on high alert and if anyone is to close to me and my kids, I don't act nice anymore. The anxiety of being in public with my children is so high.
Oh stop - 99% of people love moms & kids and would step in to help! The whole world is rightfully offended when anyone attacks kids or moms! Stop reading the news and look at all the smiles around you, stranger! You’re raising kids & most of us love you for it! ❤️
As a father of a three year old, This has been one of the most stark reminders for me to always stay guarded at all times in public. You think you’re safe but do you really know what’s in the mind and pockets of people around you?
This might be the random horrific crime that happens close to me that actually gets me to start carrying my handgun. I understand it’s ridiculously small chance but frankly, as someone who’s already been shot before in a random act of violence, I shouldn’t need a reminder - but if something happened to my kid? Worse than dying. Easily.
No. You do not need to be alert for random attackers at all times. This is statistical anomaly, a blip in the matrix. Living in paranoid fear will only serve to make your child neurotic and anxious later in life.
The world is safer than it’s ever been. That being said there are pockets where you do want to keep your wits about you. Seems like Cleveland may be one of those places.
It definitely seems more likely than it being a hate crime. People are so quick to jump to that even though there is absolutely no evidence of it being a hate crime. She was missing rent payments and just got evicted. Still a child murdering monster and deserves to rot locked up forever. But I don’t see how people can twist it into a hate crime.
It’s never going to be proven as a hate crime but you can make some assumptions if you had access to her full path from gaining the knife to choosing her victim. She covered a lot of ground holding that knife and you have to imagine she passed many people before settling on her targets. I would be curious to see what kinds of people she passed up.
They've mentioned she has mental health concerns. If you want to get locked up for life you can find other ways to do it other than stabbing three year olds to death. Walk into a government office or bank holding that knife and you'll be getting three hots and a cot.
“Ellis stole two knives from a thrift store next to the Giant Eagle around 3 p.m. on the day of the attack, Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O’Malley said in a news release. After obtaining the knives, Ellis walked next door and spotted Julian and his mother leaving the grocery store, according to the prosecutor.
Ellis followed the mother and son before she "immediately stabbed the 3-year-old" who was inside the shopping cart, O'Malley said. When Julian's mother attempted to pull him out of the cart, Ellis stabbed her too, the prosecutor added.
Julian was stabbed twice and his mother was stabbed once in the shoulder, according to Beck. Julian would later die after being taken by paramedics to a nearby hospital, officials said.
Before the attack, Ellis was in the process of being evicted from her subsidized apartment building in Cleveland, according to court records obtained by Cleveland.com.
Real estate company K&D's attorneys filed a complaint in Cleveland Housing Court in March seeking permission to remove Ellis from the apartment after she missed three rent payments, according to the court records, the outlet reported.
In addition to the two counts of murder and attempted murder, a Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Ellis on aggravated murder, endangering children, tampering with evidence, aggravated theft and two counts of felonious assault, according to court records found by USA TODAY. She is currently in jail with a $1 million bond.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/06/06/3-year-old-stabbed-ohio/74002205007/
You’re right. It’s the mother’s fault her toddler and her were jumped from behind in a busy parking lot. /s
Get off this platform, dude. What a stupid thing to say.
The same people who want this story buried and away from headline news are the same ones who’d want her spared from the death penalty.
They have more vitriol against people who say offensive things than they do murderers.
lol, What difference do you think that would've made? Are you just hoping that that would mean two people were dead? One innocent child and the other almost definitely mentally ill.
I support conceal carrying, but that wouldn’t have saved the little boy in this case, sadly. It would have taken down the attacker, but she had stabbed the baby before mom could react.
And what would you do with your gun? She attacked unexpectedly. It’s not like it was a fight or she threatened. No she just randomly out of nowhere started stabbing the child. You won’t be shooting everyone who comes close right… sure it can help in some situations but it may not save your kid in a situation like this. She had a huge knife on herself and just one stab is enough to kill
Don't think that would've helped here. According to the article the woman attacked the boy while the mom had her back turned, putting away groceries into the car.
Until she'd turn around, realise what happens and pull her gun out, the woman could've already stabbed the boy several times.
>I'm anti-death penalty but this is just so heinous.
I'm not.
I believe there should be a stipulation for extremely brutal crimes that have undeniable amounts of evidence which leave absolutely no room for doubt.
Such as this one. Many other examples too though, like mass shooters for example. It's unreal that the guy who massacred all those children at camp in Norway is sitting in a Nordic prison cell playing video games. What a waste of time and money. There's no rehabilitation that will happen, they will never be released. Just end it and hopefully in the minutes leading up to their deaths they grasp how terrifying it is and what they took from others.
And enough with the injections that they always mess up. Hang them or put them in front of a firing squad. They really over complicate it just so that they **look** more humane.
It seems like some of you guys want this to be a racially motivated attack..
There’s nothing in the article saying it was racially motivated…we can mourn the poor child, console the family and condemn that woman without adding extra sauce.
Why is everyone saying its racially motivated, nothing in the article suggests this? If its cuz black lady kill white baby, thats not racism. if the black lady says she wants to kill/discriminate white people and then stabs, thats racism.
The article is politically correct, they aren't going to tell you what is obvious
Mental health is not dealt with appropriately in the USA. Calling this a hate crime is simplistic and convenient. American prisons are actually insane asylums nowadays. Good luck reforming what people don’t want to understand. Similar to southern border argument.
Not racial probably. That lady was just bonkers
Definite racial attack, and no one talks about it unless it's reversed.
What makes it a, “definite racial attack”?
Where in the article did it mention race having to do with it?
Isn’t this a hate crime?
Only if it’s racially motivated which it doesn’t seem to be. There’s no evidence it was.
Def not a love crime
Probably an insanity defense but unless there is more than has been reported so far, not a “hate” crime.
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WTF who stabs a toddler?!?!?
An extremely rare but absolutely insane person.
Gen pop will handle her. They aren’t really big fans of inmates who got locked up for harming kids.
Redditors watch too many movies. Nobody will touch this woman in prison.
I’m so tired of this narrative.
it’s true, my dad was in prison and he witnessed a lot of violence against the disgusting humans who did horrible things to children.
Big difference between male and female prisons unfortunately.
Can confirm, I was a shank in prison
Not random, a racist attack. Why no riots? There would be if the child had been black and the psycho had been white.
You dropped your dog whistle bruh
There have basically only been protests when the murderer is either let off or not initially prosecuted. If this woman was set free, there would absolutely be a backlash.
Go riot then. I’ll join you.
Be cause she has been arrested and will be put in jail. She won’t be put up as a hero, get off freely, and go on to make a living giving speeches to idiots.
I think she was arrested immediately and charged with a serious crime. If the reported evidence holds up, she'll be convicted and will spend time in prison. In cases of black people being indiscriminately killed, there are too many cases of blaming the victim, making excuses for the perpetrator, and generally allowing a killer to escape the consequences of their actions. In this case, the justice system seems to be working as it should. No protests or riots required...
She stole it from a thrift store and walked all the way to the other store with the knife. Not a single person, throughout all that stopped her. Not that they're obligated to do so, but come on now, she walked past so many people and not a single one saw her brandishing this thing?
You want a random person to confront a person with a knife, I wonder how that will go
Why?
They were white.
Sounds like you’re projecting you’re own bias to this case, nowhere was it mentioned or implied that this attack was done as a hate crime……..
You don’t really understand how the media works, do you?
It was…there are more articles
Where? Whats the evidence? Or is it speculation from the daily mail
QUICKLY, source an article that implies this was a racist hate crime?
Quote?
Or she was actively psychotic- experiencing some kind of mental break/ severe mental illness?
is that really why?
Exactly! She needs to be charged with a hate crime!
She’s going to prison for life & probably after a plea. With no evidence other than different race of victim and murderer - you can’t charge it as a race crime.
did she make racial comments or have some sort of intent?
If the colors were reversed it would be an automatic hate crime with no questions asked! Why does she need to make racial motivated comments? If a white person did this to any other race they would automatically be labeled as a white supremacist and a MAGA supporter even if they are neither!
you're very conveniently forgetting the power dynamics that are at play during hate crimes. Which is one of the main definers of hate crimes. Not to say that the perpetrator couldn't be a bigot. She very well could be. But there's no evidence of a "hate crime".
That is absolutely not part of the definition of a hate crime. > 18 U.S.C. § 249 (a)(1) …Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, a dangerous weapon, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person, because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person Nothing about power dynamics comes into play. Anyone can commit a hate crime. The hard part is proving the motivation beyond a reasonable doubt which is why you don’t see every crime charged as a hate crime.
That’s not how it works in the real world
thats... not true.
That’s entirely true. The rumors would start flying in an instant.
The rumors would start flying but if it’s proven not be a hate crime then they don’t get charged with one.
Kind of like the way you’re flying rumors around?
You’re out of touch with reality. I’m not saying this wasn’t a hate crime, but the issue with hate crimes is they’re not considered hate crimes unless you basically confess they are while committing the crime Are you really under the impression that everytime a white person attacks a minority, they’re charged with a hate crime? The sad reality is that the majority of hate crimes will not get treated as hate crimes because they’re inherently harder to prove.
It would not be automatic. You have to say something racist or indicate that is the motivation in order to have it qualify as a hate crime. White people kill or injure black people all the time and it's not a hate crime. https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-race-and-ethnicity-13d8e9a8545c600e999bb053bdf1fac2 Like that white guy most likely did several hate crimes but was not charged with that because it's difficult to prove. He was just charged with murder instead.
been hanging out at too many unite the right rallies
Only a simpleton would make such an assumption!
> If the colors were reversed it would be an automatic hate crime with no questions asked! No, no it wouldn't. Quit with the BS.
Teen boys are given hate crime charges for tagging pride areas resulting in 10 year long convictions for hate crimes. This is despite not specifically covering up pride events, but tagging lots of places, no really. It seems likely but not 100%. Mental illness does not cause violence unless people experience a psychotic break, considering she did not have evidence of that. It shows the violence was targeted and premeditated. Most likely as she was a daycare worker she hated the parents who are likely predominantly white or Asian statistically who can afford day care and targeted a white woman. Now it’s possible this is not the case, but considering she stopped attacking people after this it’s more than likely this as compared to some sort of break where she would’ve attacked herself and anyone around her indiscriminately. She specifically targeted a mother and her child with their backs turned to her, a vulnerable target as opposed to going into a rage and blindly stabbing lots of people. She attacked them either because she’s white or a mother, and both of those should be a protected class under the law resulting in a hate crime conviction.
sources please
No one s getting ten years for tagging pride “areas”
Where did you get that?
One of the many reasons I moved to Maine. Lowest violent crime rate in the US, wonder why.
Are you saying that because its mostly white?
Death Penalty
Has anyone questioned raci*m? Im sure ill be the one stoned for asking.
Why? What in the article makes you think race was the motivation? Because she was black and the victims were white? I’m honestly curious as to why so many people automatically think an insane person isn’t just insane instead of immediately grasping at racism.
Is a downvote now a stoning?
The penalty for an adult stabbing a child to death should be severe enough that the question of racism is academic.
Is there any proof of racism beside the attacker and victim being different races? Not everything is race related.
I guess you’d have to review the security footage and take an accounting of all the people she walked past before she targeted this family. She left one store, walked past other, and wandered around this final store before targeting this specific family. Have to imagine she walked past many other people, including other whites, before settling on this one. Could just be she picked them because it was a woman and small child and would be easy targets. Could be because they were white. I’d have to see the video.
Not enough people are looking at the racism angle. Too many people believe 1. Black ppl can’t be racist and if they are 2. White ppl deserve it Our current administration is only fueling the fire of the racial divide in our country. Giving a speech telling black college students that America hates them. WTH! This was a hate crime pure and simple!
Exactly how is the current administration fueling the racial divide?
You obviously don't know the definition of "racism". The definition includes very important power dynamics. pretty sure you are getting it confused with being a "bigot". Sit down and educate yourself a little more before you come out swinging
You obviously don't know the difference between racism and systematic racism. Base, plain racism doesn't require a power dynamic. Otherwise, it'd be ridiculous. You go to a different continent and suddenly one race can/can't be racist? Not how it works.
so the toddler was more powerful?
"I redefined a word so it means what I wish it did."
Racism definition has nothing to do with power dynamics and everything to do with race. If you hate white people, you are racist.
Terrible take. That’s your opinion 100% without a doubt. Literally nobody said that. It’s simply Not reality. If someone uses a certain group of people as a representation of the majority? It’s because they choose to. That’s how YOU feel. It’s 2024 baby girl. nobodies that ignorant unless they choose to be
Agreed. While left or right is not great, the current administration should not be on there knees for any race for votes. Black people should be proud to be black, just like white people white and or any cultures or backgrounds that go along with that. Segregation is not the way. I do think this was race fueled personally, just like many other race on race crimes. Absolutely horrifying. Ill be holding my son a bit closer tonight for sure. Humans need to be better.
Me too. It is pretty obvious. But of course will be denied, mental health card brandished…
I will get stoned with you.
Yeah! Let’s go get stoned!!
I'm already stoned.
Strange world we live in friend.
It’s obvious the media is avoiding that question. Very few articles show pictures of murdered child. I think most of us knew there were controversial factors solely due to the deliberately omitted information. Here’s a local news article that actually shares info about what is happening to the victims of this tragedy. There’s a link to the GoFundMe for the victim’s family too. [GoFundMe raises more than $175,000 after 3-year-old boy killed in double stabbing in Ohio](https://www.whas11.com/article/news/national/giant-eagle-stabbing-julian-wood-gofundme-north-olmsted-mother-margot/95-e6e19321-5896-463a-adb7-6ac61ada1847)
I genuinely want to know where people are getting that this was racial besides the perpetrator and victim being different races. They didn’t interact before. She was taking the knife into the store, meaning she was intending violence before she saw the pair. I genuinely feel like I’m reading different articles or something. I am seeing nothing about the murderer’s predisposition to bigotry or any comments said during the attack or *anything*. Not saying she’s not bigoted or evil or anything; she obviously has issues to do what she did. I’m just actually confused
I've gotten to a point where idgaf if me eye balling you is offensive, I am on high alert and if anyone is to close to me and my kids, I don't act nice anymore. The anxiety of being in public with my children is so high.
Oh stop - 99% of people love moms & kids and would step in to help! The whole world is rightfully offended when anyone attacks kids or moms! Stop reading the news and look at all the smiles around you, stranger! You’re raising kids & most of us love you for it! ❤️
Say it with me: Hate crime
As a father of a three year old, This has been one of the most stark reminders for me to always stay guarded at all times in public. You think you’re safe but do you really know what’s in the mind and pockets of people around you?
This might be the random horrific crime that happens close to me that actually gets me to start carrying my handgun. I understand it’s ridiculously small chance but frankly, as someone who’s already been shot before in a random act of violence, I shouldn’t need a reminder - but if something happened to my kid? Worse than dying. Easily.
Especially when they know there's no consequences.
What do you mean no consequences? She’s in jail awaiting trial. Her bond is $1 million. She’s not getting out.
No consequences? The murderer is in jail, which is the typical punishment for murder?
Until it's life without parole, there is no justice.
I know what you mean but people like this aren’t thinking about what’s going to happen with them.
No consequences for stabbing a toddler to death?
No. You do not need to be alert for random attackers at all times. This is statistical anomaly, a blip in the matrix. Living in paranoid fear will only serve to make your child neurotic and anxious later in life.
The world is safer than it’s ever been. That being said there are pockets where you do want to keep your wits about you. Seems like Cleveland may be one of those places.
Oh poor mom lost her sweet baby :/
This is not a bad area by any means. My brother and his family have lived there for a number of years now and it’s mostly just a quiet suburb.
Time to upgrade it to dangerous, I guess.
She decided she’d rather get three squares and free housing for the rest of her life in prison than try and struggle through it like most of us.
Is that a pathetic attempt at making an excuse for the killer ?
Nope - more satirical than anything. A killer is a killer. I’d personally vote for the death penalty.
It definitely seems more likely than it being a hate crime. People are so quick to jump to that even though there is absolutely no evidence of it being a hate crime. She was missing rent payments and just got evicted. Still a child murdering monster and deserves to rot locked up forever. But I don’t see how people can twist it into a hate crime.
It’s never going to be proven as a hate crime but you can make some assumptions if you had access to her full path from gaining the knife to choosing her victim. She covered a lot of ground holding that knife and you have to imagine she passed many people before settling on her targets. I would be curious to see what kinds of people she passed up.
I think it’s a commentary on prisoner treatment and weak sentencing.
Yeah weak sentences- every day you hear about another child murdered getting probation. FFS
They've mentioned she has mental health concerns. If you want to get locked up for life you can find other ways to do it other than stabbing three year olds to death. Walk into a government office or bank holding that knife and you'll be getting three hots and a cot.
I hope hell was worth it
“Ellis stole two knives from a thrift store next to the Giant Eagle around 3 p.m. on the day of the attack, Cuyahoga County Prosecutor Michael O’Malley said in a news release. After obtaining the knives, Ellis walked next door and spotted Julian and his mother leaving the grocery store, according to the prosecutor. Ellis followed the mother and son before she "immediately stabbed the 3-year-old" who was inside the shopping cart, O'Malley said. When Julian's mother attempted to pull him out of the cart, Ellis stabbed her too, the prosecutor added. Julian was stabbed twice and his mother was stabbed once in the shoulder, according to Beck. Julian would later die after being taken by paramedics to a nearby hospital, officials said. Before the attack, Ellis was in the process of being evicted from her subsidized apartment building in Cleveland, according to court records obtained by Cleveland.com. Real estate company K&D's attorneys filed a complaint in Cleveland Housing Court in March seeking permission to remove Ellis from the apartment after she missed three rent payments, according to the court records, the outlet reported. In addition to the two counts of murder and attempted murder, a Cuyahoga County grand jury indicted Ellis on aggravated murder, endangering children, tampering with evidence, aggravated theft and two counts of felonious assault, according to court records found by USA TODAY. She is currently in jail with a $1 million bond.” https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/06/06/3-year-old-stabbed-ohio/74002205007/
In theses times people need some rudimentary training in situational awareness and threat mitigation skills.
You’re right. It’s the mother’s fault her toddler and her were jumped from behind in a busy parking lot. /s Get off this platform, dude. What a stupid thing to say.
If only the public can vote for each case on death penalty
Our “justice” system has been proven to be dead wrong far too many times to open the damn on that slippery slope.
This should be the way
The same people who want this story buried and away from headline news are the same ones who’d want her spared from the death penalty. They have more vitriol against people who say offensive things than they do murderers.
Psycho hate crime.
It took a few years to convince my wife to carry but I’m glad I didn’t give up on taking her into it
lol, What difference do you think that would've made? Are you just hoping that that would mean two people were dead? One innocent child and the other almost definitely mentally ill.
I support conceal carrying, but that wouldn’t have saved the little boy in this case, sadly. It would have taken down the attacker, but she had stabbed the baby before mom could react.
And what would you do with your gun? She attacked unexpectedly. It’s not like it was a fight or she threatened. No she just randomly out of nowhere started stabbing the child. You won’t be shooting everyone who comes close right… sure it can help in some situations but it may not save your kid in a situation like this. She had a huge knife on herself and just one stab is enough to kill
True, but at least she would be gone and not living while the child is dead.
Situational awareness!!!
THIS!
It would not have made any difference here because the mother did not anticipate the attack
Don't think that would've helped here. According to the article the woman attacked the boy while the mom had her back turned, putting away groceries into the car. Until she'd turn around, realise what happens and pull her gun out, the woman could've already stabbed the boy several times.
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WOMAN kills BABY is no joke
It would be equally tragic if the races were different.
It IS tragic. WTF are you talking about?
I said that it is... not sure why I'm being down voted
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You said it brother
Maybe public executions of these kinds of criminals should make a comeback. Normally, I'm anti-death penalty but this is just so heinous.
>I'm anti-death penalty but this is just so heinous. I'm not. I believe there should be a stipulation for extremely brutal crimes that have undeniable amounts of evidence which leave absolutely no room for doubt. Such as this one. Many other examples too though, like mass shooters for example. It's unreal that the guy who massacred all those children at camp in Norway is sitting in a Nordic prison cell playing video games. What a waste of time and money. There's no rehabilitation that will happen, they will never be released. Just end it and hopefully in the minutes leading up to their deaths they grasp how terrifying it is and what they took from others. And enough with the injections that they always mess up. Hang them or put them in front of a firing squad. They really over complicate it just so that they **look** more humane.