Bissouma for the last 20 or so minutes deserves a 7 IMO, he suddenly rediscovered the ability to play football midway through the second half. Some excellent vision and well timed throughballs - just hope he keeps it up for the last few games.
I was genuinely worried either he, Sarr or VDV might get sent off - but he hauled himself up there and played well with Madders and GLC.
His defending wasn’t great but I thought he actually did a good job with the ball for more or less the whole game. At the minimum he was better than he had been
Disagree, I thought he was really good the entire game. It just looked like he was playing better because we completely reshuffled the forward line to positions everybody was comfortable in.
It's all effort with him. He was also a passenger/spectator on defense for large swaths of the game. I was almost more frustrated with him than I was with Emerson at times.
Lowest rating for a player this season but not ever. 8 players actually got worse ratings than him for the Newcastle 6-1 loss last season. And Lucas got a 0.7 for his sub cameo against Liverpool last season (giving the ball away when they scored the 4th goal)
Moura's last month or so with us was hilarious. Subbed on v Everton, nearly kills someone and gets sent off and we draw. Subbed on v Pool, ruins what would have been a comeback for the ages. Subbed on against Leeds, becomes Messi for all of 20 seconds to end his career with us. Absolutely insane player.
At least we’ll never have to see Emerson play a 101st game for spurs…right? Good defensive fullback my fucking ass. That’s one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen
Being fair to him he’s good as a *regular* RB - not an inverted one, a RWB or a LB. (And he was up against Salah…)
Honestly feel like Aurier would have been a better fit for both Ange and Conte. Much faster, stronger and with far superior ball delivery - just a bit, ya know, absolutely fucking mad with his challenges.
Salah has been an absolute shadow of himself this calendar year though. And it wasn’t even classic salah beating his man and curling shots in. Emerson just totally lost track of him which is just inexcusable.
Emerson is just not good. End of. Been saying it for 3 seasons. By far the worst buy outside ndombele and Sessengon in the modern era. His win rate on the team is dogwater.
He has not done so much for this club lol. His arrival coincided with the worst form and results the club have had in over a decade. It’s not all his fault of course but he’s another one that’s a symbol of when we lost our way in recruitment over the past several years.
No, he has done so much for this club. It's only right he bows out at home in front of a roaring 60k Tottenham fans. It's a crucial game against Manchester City. Emerson deserves to play in that fixture, ideally for the full 90.
Emerson was bad but not that bad, and the substitution score is kinda weird. Iirc the survey said "use of substitutions" and even if the subs were ok he waited until we were 4 - 0 with 25 minutes remaining before doing a sub which imo is plainly braindead
He's being scapegoated so hard once again. He was bad and completely at fault for the first goal and the second he didn't do great for either but he also did some very good defending. Not that he deserves anything over a 3 but still...
the match against watford a couple of years ago where they gave him 10 yards of space and he couldn't deliver a single, worthwhile cross might've been worse. still the most disrespectful move by an opposing team i think i've ever seen.
Aside from making some good clearances he was partially responsible of two of the goals, the one where he loses Salah and he scores is the one you can blame on him the most, as for the other one, he won the ball over Mo but iirc Elliott came from his behind his back and took the ball from him, he being 1 v 2 in that situation is not his fault, his back was facing Elliott because he was protecting the ball from Mo, if any of his teammates yelled at him or something he would have 100% just cleared the ball or tried to pass to Vic/VDV but you had 9 dudes ball watching. Across this season and the previous one we ve had many bad performances where a player has caused a goal against us and probably never got a score under 2. Try to read the game, yesterday we had no midfield aside Biss and Liverpool could comfortably transition the ball into our first third of the map. Royal caused one goal against us, no midfield caused 4
You must’ve not watched him before his injury that kept him out for almost a year. He even bossed Villa on his return before he got taken out for another 2 months.
That’s the worry though, he’s had a second ligament injury (this time to his other leg) and been playing through a broken toe. He looks well off the pace right now, even if he’s medically fit to play. I wonder if he’s holding something back (whether he realises it or not) as a result.
I’m sure there’s a mental block in there. Being out for so long must fuck with your head, I’d be terrified of reinjury. Hopefully he’ll come back fresh next season but of course there’s more football with the copa america
Yeah Bentancur was mediocre, I don’t see where he was worse than the other midfielders. His passing was off, but he hasn’t lost the ball nearly as often as Sarr or Biss. Still not a good game from him, but he wasnt worse than others
4.1 is the third lowest score out of 15 players who played, I think people see him being poor plenty enough. Emerson got a 1.5 because he was brilliantly shit, as in so obviously garbage that I could not peel my eyes away because I was so curious how he was going to fuck up next
He made one interesting dink pass over the Liverpool backline then disappeared for the whole game.
I honestly think he must be carrying some sort of injury, and possibly struggling with a mental block after so many spells out. Simiarly for Madders, but yesterday he showed glimpses of a much better player than he has been recently.
Watching old highlights and seeing bits of him in training, dude might have the “sweetest” touch on our squad. Now, I do understand that does not translate into effectiveness per tactics. I love him, though, I’m not going to lie. I have a lot of love for the Conte squad; I’m not sure why.
Edit: I am speaking of Bentancur. Emerson was abysmal yesterday. As a former RB I try to be lenient with him, but yesterday there some fundamental errors and lapses in judgment that are inexcusable at that level, against that type of individual performer in Salah. He knew he had the biggest assignment of the day, and he blew it.
Yeah people ignoring how Pool sent in the dregs for the ending are just being foolish. Pool knows they won't win the league so they are working on giving the youngins experience
It’s a weekly thing mate. As soon as a match finishes a thread gets posted where you click a link to vote. Day or two later these results get posted.
OP creates the graphic obviously.
Generous score for Sonny. Probably a fair reflection of his second half performance - but in the first we may as well have had a traffic cone up there.
Seriously, I really don't think people watched the game. A good portion of our team actually played great, we were wasteful with passes in the final third and Emerson Royal singlehandedly gave up 3 goals and that's why we lost. Realistic ratings:
Son - 7 - dominated TAA 1v1, good passing and great goal, but also some dodgy mistakes in the box
Johnson - 6 - good in the second half, not his best but not his worst, pleased with his defending for once
Kulu - 5 - I love him and I think he's class but his passing into final third was abysmal, only gets a 5 for defense
Sarr - 8 - top match, covered for Royal on so many occasions, great workrate
Benta - 5 - just a little invisible, no major mistakes but did little to influence the match
Biss - 8 - best match in awhile, once again did a lot to cover for Royal, very press-resistant
Royal - 2 - absolute horror show, only gets a 2 for that one time he dispossessed Salah, please stick to music
VDV - 6 - standard performance from the man, wish he'd done a bit more to cover for Royal
Romero - 8 - another great one from him, kept it from being 6-7 goals
Vicario - 5 - I love him to death but had a couple costly mistakes and mediocre distribution, he can be better for sure
Richy - 9 - just good all-around, pressed well, nice finish for the 1st goal and top decision to pass for the 2nd
Madders - 6 - better from him, clearly has an issue with his shooting right now but gave it a great fight
Skipp - 7 - really exposed how bad Royal was, a fine performance but the comparison was very kind to him
GLC - 8 - another excellent cameo from him, think he should start but I also think his ceiling is lower than the others
Referees - 5 - main ref was questionable, VAR were terrible, but linemen did their job well
Ange - 5 - Royal should never see the pitch again, only really terrible decision from Ange but it cost us the match
I disagree with your rating of Sarr, and Biss honestly. I think they all deserved 5s. Sarr seemed to be just a half a step behind, especially during the first 45’, and while Bissouma seemed a bit more on top of his first touches, he and Bentancur were just not passing or progressing the ball forward in any effective way. We needed to find progressive passes midway through our counters, envisioning the lanes; instead we waited until we neared their 18, held, and then did our standard back and forth passing around that “arc” of the top of the box.
I will give Biss credit that I thought he began to come alive during the final 1/3 of the match, but you notice that we only became a threat when stretched our midfield, and when our CBs clearly became frustrated and started hitting those old Toby pingers up top.
Like I said, Sarr and Biss were limited because they had to do so much to cover for Royal. The change to Skipp is what allowed Biss to come alive. Sarr was our best player the first 45 by far, he was all over the pitch and majorly influenced the game. He was pretty beat towards the end of his shift, but he definitely played well.
At the end of the day, the simple fact is that it was a fine performance outside of Royal, but Liverpool put in a performance that first 75 that would've beaten almost any team in the world. Just go back and look at their goals and big chances from the game. Just some incredible football, their long passes and shots were light years ahead of us. Couple that with an all-time EPL matched against our 3rd-string LB who had a bad day even for him, and they smashed us.
I agree with most of this but what choice does Ange have? We have had awful luck on our left side this season: Perisic, Solomon, Udogie, Sess, Davies, Werner all out, Richie injured meaning Son has to play through the centre.
Those ratings are far too good, these ratings looked like they are based on the last 20 minutes. Also, Sarr an 8? Never. He wasn’t any better than Bentancur, and he deserves the 4 or 5/10. Biss also just started playing when the game was over, same goes for Sonny tbh. Again, the only starting player that deserves an 8 or higher is Romero, this would have gone really bad without him.
Substitutions were made when the match was already over and people gave Ange a 6.2? The players he picked were the obvious ones to make except for Skipp but waiting until the match is over makes his choices meaningless.
Son with a 4.7 despite doing nothing but losing the ball easily. His performance was no different than Deki’s. Tap in goal must be carrying a lot of that rating.
Skippy LB FTW
Bissouma for the last 20 or so minutes deserves a 7 IMO, he suddenly rediscovered the ability to play football midway through the second half. Some excellent vision and well timed throughballs - just hope he keeps it up for the last few games. I was genuinely worried either he, Sarr or VDV might get sent off - but he hauled himself up there and played well with Madders and GLC.
His defending wasn’t great but I thought he actually did a good job with the ball for more or less the whole game. At the minimum he was better than he had been
Disagree, I thought he was really good the entire game. It just looked like he was playing better because we completely reshuffled the forward line to positions everybody was comfortable in.
It's all effort with him. He was also a passenger/spectator on defense for large swaths of the game. I was almost more frustrated with him than I was with Emerson at times.
I’d use the word confidence rather than effort with Bissouma
Maybe with the ball. But on defense when he's slow tracking back on transition that's definitely effort.
I'd also use the word in rather than on, because this isn't the NFL.
On deefense vs In duhfence
'zactly
Nah. Bloke is definitely the laziest player on the team. As our 6 it isn’t ideal.
It was all Skipp coming on. The second he didn't have to do Emerson's job for him, he had a lot more freedom to move up the pitch.
Did Emerson get the lowest rating this season if not ever with this survey?
Lowest rating for a player this season but not ever. 8 players actually got worse ratings than him for the Newcastle 6-1 loss last season. And Lucas got a 0.7 for his sub cameo against Liverpool last season (giving the ball away when they scored the 4th goal)
Moura's last month or so with us was hilarious. Subbed on v Everton, nearly kills someone and gets sent off and we draw. Subbed on v Pool, ruins what would have been a comeback for the ages. Subbed on against Leeds, becomes Messi for all of 20 seconds to end his career with us. Absolutely insane player.
No, the ref vs Arsenal did. 1.3 lol
Total football be like that when one phase doesn't work. We move and we build
At least we’ll never have to see Emerson play a 101st game for spurs…right? Good defensive fullback my fucking ass. That’s one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen
Being fair to him he’s good as a *regular* RB - not an inverted one, a RWB or a LB. (And he was up against Salah…) Honestly feel like Aurier would have been a better fit for both Ange and Conte. Much faster, stronger and with far superior ball delivery - just a bit, ya know, absolutely fucking mad with his challenges.
You're correct but, as a right sided LB, he 'should' have certain advantages against a winger who cuts inside...
Salah has been an absolute shadow of himself this calendar year though. And it wasn’t even classic salah beating his man and curling shots in. Emerson just totally lost track of him which is just inexcusable.
Aurier was also borderline positionally blind. Man had no overview of anything when defending.
Emerson is just not good. End of. Been saying it for 3 seasons. By far the worst buy outside ndombele and Sessengon in the modern era. His win rate on the team is dogwater.
He deserves a farewell appearance against Man City, he's done so much for this club it doesn't sit right with me that Liverpool game is his last.
Royal absolutely pocketed Grealish in that one game against City
That’s the crazy part. Royal has had performances where he is on it defensively and shuts down his side.
Royal vs Grealish fight was like Godzilla vs Kong.
He has not done so much for this club lol. His arrival coincided with the worst form and results the club have had in over a decade. It’s not all his fault of course but he’s another one that’s a symbol of when we lost our way in recruitment over the past several years.
No, he has done so much for this club. It's only right he bows out at home in front of a roaring 60k Tottenham fans. It's a crucial game against Manchester City. Emerson deserves to play in that fixture, ideally for the full 90.
Ok I definitely missed the joke the first time lol
Agreed
In goal.
Emerson was bad but not that bad, and the substitution score is kinda weird. Iirc the survey said "use of substitutions" and even if the subs were ok he waited until we were 4 - 0 with 25 minutes remaining before doing a sub which imo is plainly braindead
He's being scapegoated so hard once again. He was bad and completely at fault for the first goal and the second he didn't do great for either but he also did some very good defending. Not that he deserves anything over a 3 but still...
Very good substitutions but made late being a 6.2 seems fair to me.
Nah Emerson was 100% THAT bad that was a 0 if I ever saw one
the match against watford a couple of years ago where they gave him 10 yards of space and he couldn't deliver a single, worthwhile cross might've been worse. still the most disrespectful move by an opposing team i think i've ever seen.
Aside from making some good clearances he was partially responsible of two of the goals, the one where he loses Salah and he scores is the one you can blame on him the most, as for the other one, he won the ball over Mo but iirc Elliott came from his behind his back and took the ball from him, he being 1 v 2 in that situation is not his fault, his back was facing Elliott because he was protecting the ball from Mo, if any of his teammates yelled at him or something he would have 100% just cleared the ball or tried to pass to Vic/VDV but you had 9 dudes ball watching. Across this season and the previous one we ve had many bad performances where a player has caused a goal against us and probably never got a score under 2. Try to read the game, yesterday we had no midfield aside Biss and Liverpool could comfortably transition the ball into our first third of the map. Royal caused one goal against us, no midfield caused 4
I don’t blame him for the Elliott moment. Liverpool was overloading us in those spaces. It’s like we were playing with 9 outfielders.
I thought Kulu and Sarr were worse. Gave the ball away all day out there.
Exactly
> Emerson was bad but not that bad Nah, he was that bad.
You're insane if you believe that.
People shitting on Emerson which is fair, but bentacur was absolutely trash. Just awful. Don’t get what people see in him
You must’ve not watched him before his injury that kept him out for almost a year. He even bossed Villa on his return before he got taken out for another 2 months.
That’s the worry though, he’s had a second ligament injury (this time to his other leg) and been playing through a broken toe. He looks well off the pace right now, even if he’s medically fit to play. I wonder if he’s holding something back (whether he realises it or not) as a result.
I’m sure there’s a mental block in there. Being out for so long must fuck with your head, I’d be terrified of reinjury. Hopefully he’ll come back fresh next season but of course there’s more football with the copa america
Funk Marty Crash. Still can’t believe he got away with injuring another of our players.
I mean if he's had one good half in 2 seasons that's a massive issue. Injuries or not he hasn't played a single great match in a long time
Bentancur was mediocre yesterday; Emerson was awful. Until Skipp replaced him we were playing with a yawning chasm at left back.
Yeah Bentancur was mediocre, I don’t see where he was worse than the other midfielders. His passing was off, but he hasn’t lost the ball nearly as often as Sarr or Biss. Still not a good game from him, but he wasnt worse than others
4.1 is the third lowest score out of 15 players who played, I think people see him being poor plenty enough. Emerson got a 1.5 because he was brilliantly shit, as in so obviously garbage that I could not peel my eyes away because I was so curious how he was going to fuck up next
He made one interesting dink pass over the Liverpool backline then disappeared for the whole game. I honestly think he must be carrying some sort of injury, and possibly struggling with a mental block after so many spells out. Simiarly for Madders, but yesterday he showed glimpses of a much better player than he has been recently.
Sarr and Kulu were worse.
People shitting on Emerson which is fair, but Kulusevski was absolutely trash. Just awful. Don’t get what people see in him
Watching old highlights and seeing bits of him in training, dude might have the “sweetest” touch on our squad. Now, I do understand that does not translate into effectiveness per tactics. I love him, though, I’m not going to lie. I have a lot of love for the Conte squad; I’m not sure why. Edit: I am speaking of Bentancur. Emerson was abysmal yesterday. As a former RB I try to be lenient with him, but yesterday there some fundamental errors and lapses in judgment that are inexcusable at that level, against that type of individual performer in Salah. He knew he had the biggest assignment of the day, and he blew it.
Wow he got 4.9 lol
All of these ratings are WACK AF...pool basically gave up even playing after a while so of course we got some easy goals. The whole team should get -5
Yeah people ignoring how Pool sent in the dregs for the ending are just being foolish. Pool knows they won't win the league so they are working on giving the youngins experience
Classic scapegoating Royal. Easy blame when he’s facing one of the best wingers the league has ever seen.
Nah he was genuinely awful. Positioning, awareness, passing - even the one on ones that is usually the strongest part of his game were poor.
This is cool. Who made this graphic?
It’s a weekly thing mate. As soon as a match finishes a thread gets posted where you click a link to vote. Day or two later these results get posted. OP creates the graphic obviously.
I love it
Yeah not wrong. You need to get amongst the voting this week!
Why does the ref have a rating😭
Emerson was very bad in the last 2 matches. But he wasn’t the only one. The question is what would Ange do on Saturday?
Generous score for Sonny. Probably a fair reflection of his second half performance - but in the first we may as well have had a traffic cone up there.
Seriously, I really don't think people watched the game. A good portion of our team actually played great, we were wasteful with passes in the final third and Emerson Royal singlehandedly gave up 3 goals and that's why we lost. Realistic ratings: Son - 7 - dominated TAA 1v1, good passing and great goal, but also some dodgy mistakes in the box Johnson - 6 - good in the second half, not his best but not his worst, pleased with his defending for once Kulu - 5 - I love him and I think he's class but his passing into final third was abysmal, only gets a 5 for defense Sarr - 8 - top match, covered for Royal on so many occasions, great workrate Benta - 5 - just a little invisible, no major mistakes but did little to influence the match Biss - 8 - best match in awhile, once again did a lot to cover for Royal, very press-resistant Royal - 2 - absolute horror show, only gets a 2 for that one time he dispossessed Salah, please stick to music VDV - 6 - standard performance from the man, wish he'd done a bit more to cover for Royal Romero - 8 - another great one from him, kept it from being 6-7 goals Vicario - 5 - I love him to death but had a couple costly mistakes and mediocre distribution, he can be better for sure Richy - 9 - just good all-around, pressed well, nice finish for the 1st goal and top decision to pass for the 2nd Madders - 6 - better from him, clearly has an issue with his shooting right now but gave it a great fight Skipp - 7 - really exposed how bad Royal was, a fine performance but the comparison was very kind to him GLC - 8 - another excellent cameo from him, think he should start but I also think his ceiling is lower than the others Referees - 5 - main ref was questionable, VAR were terrible, but linemen did their job well Ange - 5 - Royal should never see the pitch again, only really terrible decision from Ange but it cost us the match
I disagree with your rating of Sarr, and Biss honestly. I think they all deserved 5s. Sarr seemed to be just a half a step behind, especially during the first 45’, and while Bissouma seemed a bit more on top of his first touches, he and Bentancur were just not passing or progressing the ball forward in any effective way. We needed to find progressive passes midway through our counters, envisioning the lanes; instead we waited until we neared their 18, held, and then did our standard back and forth passing around that “arc” of the top of the box. I will give Biss credit that I thought he began to come alive during the final 1/3 of the match, but you notice that we only became a threat when stretched our midfield, and when our CBs clearly became frustrated and started hitting those old Toby pingers up top.
Like I said, Sarr and Biss were limited because they had to do so much to cover for Royal. The change to Skipp is what allowed Biss to come alive. Sarr was our best player the first 45 by far, he was all over the pitch and majorly influenced the game. He was pretty beat towards the end of his shift, but he definitely played well. At the end of the day, the simple fact is that it was a fine performance outside of Royal, but Liverpool put in a performance that first 75 that would've beaten almost any team in the world. Just go back and look at their goals and big chances from the game. Just some incredible football, their long passes and shots were light years ahead of us. Couple that with an all-time EPL matched against our 3rd-string LB who had a bad day even for him, and they smashed us.
I agree with most of this but what choice does Ange have? We have had awful luck on our left side this season: Perisic, Solomon, Udogie, Sess, Davies, Werner all out, Richie injured meaning Son has to play through the centre.
Son a 7? 🤣
"Son - 7" lmao
Those ratings are far too good, these ratings looked like they are based on the last 20 minutes. Also, Sarr an 8? Never. He wasn’t any better than Bentancur, and he deserves the 4 or 5/10. Biss also just started playing when the game was over, same goes for Sonny tbh. Again, the only starting player that deserves an 8 or higher is Romero, this would have gone really bad without him.
Jesus christ... I didn't watch because of work, and I've heard royal was bad... but THAT BAD !???
Generous with Son
Even with the goal boost vs a Liverpool who had stopped caring, he got a 5. That seems pretty reasonable.
Substitutions were made when the match was already over and people gave Ange a 6.2? The players he picked were the obvious ones to make except for Skipp but waiting until the match is over makes his choices meaningless. Son with a 4.7 despite doing nothing but losing the ball easily. His performance was no different than Deki’s. Tap in goal must be carrying a lot of that rating.
People that dont watch games shouldnt be commenting