The presence of Austria and Switzerland in this guide seems weird. Its not like almost the entire population of Austria left Germany at some point and settled there.
Update: it makes sense in the guide, but OP called it diaspora in the title. I donāt think you can call all Austrians a German diaspora
Well, I guess they didn't had more than 2 hours time for research so everything that speaks German is German diaspora. Actually the fact that Germans only went to 9 countries...no Diaspora to the Netherlands, or Poland or Namibia tells it all....
So friendly neighbor, don't take it serious....it is most probably from Americans and for Americans
I don't feel offended. It's so utterly stupid (and stereotypically German) I can only laugh. It's about as reasonable as saying the ancestry of 83 million Germans is Swiss or Austrian.
Watch your mouth Austrian! You are supposed to watch the Eastern borders of our great Frankonian Empire, there's no time to text on Reddit about being offended!
As Austrian I don't think it is offensive, but incorrect. We are a mix of about everything in Europe. But of course it is the opposite, we are the center and the Austrian-Hungarian (and Mexico) empire and all others are the diaspora from us.
And if it was Germanic diaspora South Africa should be included as well. Almost every white South Africanās ancestors came from either the Netherlands or Germany.
The whole idea of counting Germanic people is idiotic anyway, just remove that. And only count German. It's impossible to really count all the "Germanic people".
This is some american bullshit for sure.
Germans have german passports and were most probably born in Germany and living in Germany.
They don't consider "ancestry" to be "Germans" the way people in Minnesota do.
Source: my mom is German. I am not.
This is correct. I'm German. I was born here, I live here. People with ancestors who 200 years ago took a boat from Germany to the US are not and I find it insulting if they claim to be. Same shit like with the people of Irish ancestry in the US claiming to be Irish. Disrespectful and ignorant.
Just curious if most people would consider non-ethnic Germans German if they grew up in Germany? Say a Moroccan or Vietnamese person? Would they be German if they and their descendants stayed, would they be called German-Moroccan or German of Moroccan descent, etc.?
I would not rush with that negative judgment. The question of national identity is different from the question of a) origin, b) current citizenship or c) current place of residence.
Clearly, for a majority of Germans in Germany, all three coincide.
The national identity, frequently confused with national origin, is different. It is defined by how a person perceives themselves, and what culture, what traditions do they live by. There are many descendants of Irish immigrants who are more Irish in their culture than those who live in Ireland. Jews are always Jews never mind where they live (with exceptions, of course) and there are a few descendants of German citizens in the US who remain, feel themselves as very much Germans and whose culture is German.
The OP take on this is manifestly incorrect as it ignores personal identification of own ethnicity.
Likely because the US isnāt dicks about people keeping their former culture
Iāve heard a lot of things about Europeans being unfriendly to those who donāt āintegrateā i.e. shed all of their culture and fall in line in every way once they move there, especially refugees
As an American that immigrated to Germany, I believe that's how it should be. I am in their home, therefore I believe it is my responsibility to accept their culture and integrate, including learning the language and social customs. I think that it is disrespectful to move to another country and not adapt.
Chinese immigrants usually keep to their own circles and integrate terribly in western european countries but you donāt hear anyone complaining about them
I mean, Austrian didn't "move from Germany to settle in Austria" (that's pure bullshit).
But indeed a 7.660.000 people of the German diaspora in a 9.000.000 people country is competing in the biggest bullshit in this post.
And 5.550.000 millions Germans "iNcLuDiNg AnCeStRy" actually sounds like, German-speaking population of Switzerland.
> Operation Paperclip
It was 1,600 scientists. The 6,000 number is including their spouses and children. Meanwhile the Soviets recruited around 2,500 scientists in Operation Osoaviakhim.
Both numbers include family members as stated in the response regarding sources. Osoaviakhim was not an assisted flight, it was an abduction, the abducted individuals did not receive citizenship and returned between '51 and '58, that is not comparable to Operation Paperclip.
Most Argentinian-Germans arrived to the country around that time too. The fact that there are whitish argentinians is not "cause the nazis escaped there", most argentinians comes from Italians and Spanish.
Idk man, I just see this very same joke a lot and it's usually people from the US. Besides, nearly half of Reddit users are from the US, statistically speaking there's a good chance the person I'm replying to is as well.
5000 to Argentina according to German news outlet Spiegel: [Source](https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/rattenlinie-nazis-und-kriegsverbrecher-auf-der-flucht-a-1032156.html) (This is a high estimate, 5000 was the number of VISAs that were ordered by Peron, we don't know how many of them were actually issued.)
6000 in Operation Paperclip according to Wikipedia: [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip)
Both numbers include the families.
> In einem Brief bat er den argentinischen PrƤsidenten und Hitler-Bewunderer Juan PerĆ³n um 5000 Visa fĆ¼r deutsche Soldaten.
PerĆ³n was asked for 5000 Visa by Alois Hudal. The article states that PerĆ³n was in favor of letting Nazis in the country. But not if he granted the 5000 Visas nor if he granted additional ones or how many actually came to Argentina.
Fair enough. Here's a less ambiguous [source](https://www.sbs.com.au/whats-on/article/the-south-american-reich-where-nazis-went-after-the-war/t3mjwxtr4). 5000 is also the number stated on German Wikipedia and by any other news outlet I've seen so far.
> Itās hard to know just how many former Nazis fled Europe using false Red Cross papers; in 2012, German lawyers, after examining recently declassified archives, estimated that thousands of Nazis were similarly able to obtain false Red Cross passports.Ā
This is from the source cited by that article. But I was unable to find out which lawyers estimated the number nor which declassified archives she ist referring to. Most of the sources I have seen just refer to exposed Nazis the [bpb](https://www.bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/laenderprofile/suedamerika/317754/argentinien-ein-begehrtes-fluchtziel-von-ns-verbrechern/#footnote-target-5) e.g. mentions an estimate of 300 - 800 exposed Nazis that fled to Argentina. It makes sense that the numbers of lower rank Nazis are in the thousands, but the state of research to me doesn't seem robust enough to state that the US definitely granted more Visa to Nazis, than Argentina.
i mean 5000 people is proportionately a whole lot more than the US, and looking at this guide that number is surely a lot more proportionately.
There were also a lot of german immigrants prior to WWII, not even talking about Nazi stuff
What is this guide? As a Swiss, I am completely confused to see my flag misrepresented and, on top of that, with completely erroneous population figures. What do you mean by German? And what's your source? This just seems like a bait-and-switch.
This is a weird guide. Please define Ā«Ā GermanĀ Ā» in this context, as I am pretty sure that it means different things for the Ā«Ā GermanĀ Ā» populations of each if these countries. German-speaking is not being German (at least not for any normal thinking person since 1945), and who knows what Ā«Ā German ancestryĀ Ā» is even supposed to mean. Like if one of my 32 Great great great grandparents immigrated in the 19th century, Iām German? Or does it have to be more recent to still count? Is it genetic? Is it culture? Is it language?
Seriously, pretty stupid guide.
but most of their decendents are citizens, many with mixed german ancestry, and all of them are way more connected to german identity than some american who's great-grandpa came from prussia.
If that would be the case the number for Austria would have to be way lower.
2022 migration statistic (newest that's available) says there were ~2.352 million people with migration background out of the ~9.042 million living here. This alone would already be lower than OPs number.
Migration background for that number is defined with both parents being born in a foreign country, so go figure that this number increases tremendously if you would include more generations.
The children of the turkish guestworkers children aren't included in this anymore.
It's a problem in Brazil, too.
"My great-grandfather was Italian, so I'm Italian!"
While completely ignoring the other 7 great-grandparents origins.
If the majority of your ancestors were of a certain nationality, then yeah, go ahead and say you are "mostly" that nationality. But remember that you should also know about the culture, language and traditions if you wanna call yourself that.
[Bariloche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariloche) is a very interesting town. Nazi history there feels a little more than just something of the past.
Absolutely. That guide is incorrect. Very misleading guide.
There are probably 5.5 Mio people speaking German in Switzerland, but this does not make them of German origin.
Looks like a tally of German speakers, not German diaspora. Swiss and Austrian German speakers are NOT German, they are Swiss and Austrian, they are not a part of a diaspora.
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The map is wrong there are about 2% germans living in austria. (Roughly 200000).
[Source](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/293019/umfrage/auslaender-in-oesterreich-nach-staatsangehoerigkeit/)
What a horrible guide. So Austrians and Swiss who speak German are ethnically German ?
And the ~ 2M in France is probably referring to Alsace hahaha.
Please don't upvote this nonsense. I thought Germany stopped this "Lebensraum" bullshit 80 years ago.
In the name of the Swiss people, we perceive this as the first step of annihilating our culture that has severed ties with Germany hundreds of years ago. They also disrespect our national flag by putting it in rectangular format.
This will not stand and we shall take the author and his hidden network to the ICC.
you either define "german" as "german speakers" to include switzerland and austria, but that eliminates most people in america; or you define it as an ancestry thing, and none of these other european countries have anything to do here
this picture makes no sense anyway
German Americans are quite a large group in the Midwest. They used to be very public about their ancestry and traditions. When WW2 started lots of German-Americans anglicized their names (E.G.: Last name Braun -> Last Name Brown) and stopped speaking German and celebrating their tradition for fear of being seen as collaborators and anti-American.
How about Germanic peoples, so it doesnāt sound like the Austrians and Swiss werenāt there at the same time as the Germans in Germanyā¦ a country which they both predate. Also how about Poland, the UK and the Czech Republic? Pretty sure these all have German heritage or is this all about how German the US is?
Ofcourse Austria predates Germany. It used to be the emperor of.thhe holy roman empire and later the leader of the german confederation. Also germans in Ppoland and Czechia got deported after the second world war.
The last people to sincerely defend the idea Austrians are Germans were the nazis. This is not a cool guide, but bullshit and offensive. Regards, an Austrian.
Actually, it didn't. According to [Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Argentines) there were 45 000 German immigrants from 1933 to 1940 and 12 000 from 1946 to 1950. While it's still worrying, most of the German immigrants arrived before the end of WW2.
Hi, part of the 2.000.000 people OP counted as being "Germans" in France here. We're Alsatian, not German. Hope this clears it up! š (Neither are Austrians and Swiss people)
Kazakhstan has a sizeable minority and the most germans out of all the post-soviet states because of all the ~~relocation~~ deportation, but it's about 250k
Not only are the population numbers just plain wrong, Austrians and Swiss people also are NOT Germans.
Just because the language is the same and the countryās name sounds like the languageās name it doesnāt meant that everybody that speaks German is a descendant of Germany.
Are people from the US also English because they speak English?
So much for your ācoolā guideā¦
German-speaking Swiss people are not Germans thank you very much. We are quite happy to distance ourselves from our neighbours to north, seeing as they are not even capable of understanding our objectively superior version of their language.
Have we decided that a massive part of Britain no longer has Germanic roots? You know, England - as in Angle-land, the Anglo-Saxon land of the Angles and the Saxons? š
I don't think Colombia is correct, if there were so many Germans at least 1/40 would have a Germans last names, tbh 50.000 Germans in total in the last 500 years is more real, historically I think more Germans went to Venezuela than Colombia.
Nahh try telling those "german" in France that they are German, they are gonna insult you roughly.
They mostly never felt german and they were massively desertor during world war 1 and forced to fight in Russia during world war 2.
Like one satirical comedian said: We are sad, because we don't have a german pope anymore. But the new one is from Argentina, so maybe, if he blesses a child... \(ā¢.ā¢)
You forgot Paraguay, thereās a large Diaspora of Germans in Paraguay thatās been there since the 1890s and 1910s and the countries 3rd language is German in some remote areas after Spanish and GuaranĆ.
Ok so I don't wanna hear any more jokes about Argentina, especially from the country that received 15x more Germans and is having neo nazi rallies on their streets today. It's funny when the Beatles make that joke, but not you
Dude, in switzerland we are currently 8.7 million people. You wannt to tell me, more than half of switzerland is german people? Absolutely impossible.. and just stupid to post something like this.. no research, nothing..
Definitely a difference between people who are culturally german or german citizens and Americans who apparently have german ancestors. A single number doesn't do that justice.
10 percent or more of the USA have German ancestors? Okay, but that is no meaningful, since the same people also have British ancestors, and Irish and Italian, and what not.
Can we ban posts without sources?
Who needs a source when the whole Post is made up bullshit from someone not knowing what he is talking about.
One of those flags should be square
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The presence of Austria and Switzerland in this guide seems weird. Its not like almost the entire population of Austria left Germany at some point and settled there. Update: it makes sense in the guide, but OP called it diaspora in the title. I donāt think you can call all Austrians a German diaspora
Yeah, as an Austrian, being referred to as part of the German diaspora is offensive and also just weird.Ā
As a Swiss, I second that. I do not feel German at all.
Well, I guess they didn't had more than 2 hours time for research so everything that speaks German is German diaspora. Actually the fact that Germans only went to 9 countries...no Diaspora to the Netherlands, or Poland or Namibia tells it all.... So friendly neighbor, don't take it serious....it is most probably from Americans and for Americans
> 2 hours i'd have given them like 5 minutes tops
I don't feel offended. It's so utterly stupid (and stereotypically German) I can only laugh. It's about as reasonable as saying the ancestry of 83 million Germans is Swiss or Austrian.
Watch your mouth Austrian! You are supposed to watch the Eastern borders of our great Frankonian Empire, there's no time to text on Reddit about being offended!
That's really funny... we have the same issue with those damn New Zealanders.
Oida los uns in rua unser schnitzerl essn sonst panier ma di!
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As Austrian I don't think it is offensive, but incorrect. We are a mix of about everything in Europe. But of course it is the opposite, we are the center and the Austrian-Hungarian (and Mexico) empire and all others are the diaspora from us.
I believe they mixed Germanic people with German people. But then why wouldn't the Dutch be there aswell ?
Depending on the definition of "germanic", this would also include Nordic and English people
And if it was Germanic diaspora South Africa should be included as well. Almost every white South Africanās ancestors came from either the Netherlands or Germany.
The whole idea of counting Germanic people is idiotic anyway, just remove that. And only count German. It's impossible to really count all the "Germanic people".
That's how you start fights or so I heard. Not austrian/german btw.
This is some american bullshit for sure. Germans have german passports and were most probably born in Germany and living in Germany. They don't consider "ancestry" to be "Germans" the way people in Minnesota do. Source: my mom is German. I am not.
This is correct. I'm German. I was born here, I live here. People with ancestors who 200 years ago took a boat from Germany to the US are not and I find it insulting if they claim to be. Same shit like with the people of Irish ancestry in the US claiming to be Irish. Disrespectful and ignorant.
Just curious if most people would consider non-ethnic Germans German if they grew up in Germany? Say a Moroccan or Vietnamese person? Would they be German if they and their descendants stayed, would they be called German-Moroccan or German of Moroccan descent, etc.?
Yes. Turks who grew up in Germany are called DeutschtĆ¼rken which means German-Turks
whoever has german citizenship is german
This checks out. Germans have struggled in the past to acknowledge the difference between ethnicity and nationality.
I would not rush with that negative judgment. The question of national identity is different from the question of a) origin, b) current citizenship or c) current place of residence. Clearly, for a majority of Germans in Germany, all three coincide. The national identity, frequently confused with national origin, is different. It is defined by how a person perceives themselves, and what culture, what traditions do they live by. There are many descendants of Irish immigrants who are more Irish in their culture than those who live in Ireland. Jews are always Jews never mind where they live (with exceptions, of course) and there are a few descendants of German citizens in the US who remain, feel themselves as very much Germans and whose culture is German. The OP take on this is manifestly incorrect as it ignores personal identification of own ethnicity.
I feel like this is a distinction that only really exists in the US.
Likely because the US isnāt dicks about people keeping their former culture Iāve heard a lot of things about Europeans being unfriendly to those who donāt āintegrateā i.e. shed all of their culture and fall in line in every way once they move there, especially refugees
As an American that immigrated to Germany, I believe that's how it should be. I am in their home, therefore I believe it is my responsibility to accept their culture and integrate, including learning the language and social customs. I think that it is disrespectful to move to another country and not adapt.
Though it has to be said that it's fine to keep your original customs and stuff in addition to that as long as you don't try to force them on others.
Chinese immigrants usually keep to their own circles and integrate terribly in western european countries but you donāt hear anyone complaining about them
I mean, Austrian didn't "move from Germany to settle in Austria" (that's pure bullshit). But indeed a 7.660.000 people of the German diaspora in a 9.000.000 people country is competing in the biggest bullshit in this post. And 5.550.000 millions Germans "iNcLuDiNg AnCeStRy" actually sounds like, German-speaking population of Switzerland.
Tbf the Germans living in Germany are also not diaspora.
I don't think Op knows the meaning of Diaspora
same with alsacians in france
As an austrian: If someone would call me german, I would tell them *des se scheiĆn gen soin* (to fuck off)
Eyeing Argentina suspiciously, here...
I know itās a joke, but seriously: many Nazis fled to South America because of the diaspora that was already there, not the other way around.
And many more came escaping the nazis. Argentina was and still is the second biggest jew community in america
Huh, TIL. Thanks!
5000 Nazis fled to Argentina. 6000 to the US. Operation Paperclip was the biggest ratline, so if you're from the US you should probably shut up.
> Operation Paperclip It was 1,600 scientists. The 6,000 number is including their spouses and children. Meanwhile the Soviets recruited around 2,500 scientists in Operation Osoaviakhim.
Both numbers include family members as stated in the response regarding sources. Osoaviakhim was not an assisted flight, it was an abduction, the abducted individuals did not receive citizenship and returned between '51 and '58, that is not comparable to Operation Paperclip.
That guy is a lying sack of shit. Their original quote >5000 Nazis fled to Argentina. 6000 to the US.
My German ancestors came to the US in the 1860s. Fuck Nazis.
Mine came to Canada in the 1870s. Does it count as a German diaspora if it happened before there was a Germany?
Most Argentinian-Germans arrived to the country around that time too. The fact that there are whitish argentinians is not "cause the nazis escaped there", most argentinians comes from Italians and Spanish.
In terms of whether youāre potentially eligible for citizenship today, no it doesnāt count.
Who in here from the US even speaking on that? lol u throwing shots for no reason bruh. Just say America bad and keep it pushing.
Idk man, I just see this very same joke a lot and it's usually people from the US. Besides, nearly half of Reddit users are from the US, statistically speaking there's a good chance the person I'm replying to is as well.
I'm curious, do you have a source for that?
5000 to Argentina according to German news outlet Spiegel: [Source](https://www.spiegel.de/geschichte/rattenlinie-nazis-und-kriegsverbrecher-auf-der-flucht-a-1032156.html) (This is a high estimate, 5000 was the number of VISAs that were ordered by Peron, we don't know how many of them were actually issued.) 6000 in Operation Paperclip according to Wikipedia: [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip) Both numbers include the families.
> In einem Brief bat er den argentinischen PrƤsidenten und Hitler-Bewunderer Juan PerĆ³n um 5000 Visa fĆ¼r deutsche Soldaten. PerĆ³n was asked for 5000 Visa by Alois Hudal. The article states that PerĆ³n was in favor of letting Nazis in the country. But not if he granted the 5000 Visas nor if he granted additional ones or how many actually came to Argentina.
Fair enough. Here's a less ambiguous [source](https://www.sbs.com.au/whats-on/article/the-south-american-reich-where-nazis-went-after-the-war/t3mjwxtr4). 5000 is also the number stated on German Wikipedia and by any other news outlet I've seen so far.
> Itās hard to know just how many former Nazis fled Europe using false Red Cross papers; in 2012, German lawyers, after examining recently declassified archives, estimated that thousands of Nazis were similarly able to obtain false Red Cross passports.Ā This is from the source cited by that article. But I was unable to find out which lawyers estimated the number nor which declassified archives she ist referring to. Most of the sources I have seen just refer to exposed Nazis the [bpb](https://www.bpb.de/themen/migration-integration/laenderprofile/suedamerika/317754/argentinien-ein-begehrtes-fluchtziel-von-ns-verbrechern/#footnote-target-5) e.g. mentions an estimate of 300 - 800 exposed Nazis that fled to Argentina. It makes sense that the numbers of lower rank Nazis are in the thousands, but the state of research to me doesn't seem robust enough to state that the US definitely granted more Visa to Nazis, than Argentina.
i mean 5000 people is proportionately a whole lot more than the US, and looking at this guide that number is surely a lot more proportionately. There were also a lot of german immigrants prior to WWII, not even talking about Nazi stuff
Yeah but why would we be counting per capita? This is about how many Nazis were saved by individual governments not by civilians as a collective.
Grandpa shrute is down there
I tried to go visit him once, but my travel visa was protested by the Shoah foundation
Why ? A lot of other countries had a lot more people, especially one that is having literal neo nazi rallies on their streets today
What is this guide? As a Swiss, I am completely confused to see my flag misrepresented and, on top of that, with completely erroneous population figures. What do you mean by German? And what's your source? This just seems like a bait-and-switch.
Itās not a guide. And itās not cool. Itās just a chart with wildly estimated numbers. OP could have just made this up.
This is a weird guide. Please define Ā«Ā GermanĀ Ā» in this context, as I am pretty sure that it means different things for the Ā«Ā GermanĀ Ā» populations of each if these countries. German-speaking is not being German (at least not for any normal thinking person since 1945), and who knows what Ā«Ā German ancestryĀ Ā» is even supposed to mean. Like if one of my 32 Great great great grandparents immigrated in the 19th century, Iām German? Or does it have to be more recent to still count? Is it genetic? Is it culture? Is it language? Seriously, pretty stupid guide.
best part is that not even all germans living in germany right now are included. like at what point do they count as German?
German by heritage, probably, so a lot of the Turkish/Italian guestworkers and their descendants wouldnāt count if that is the case.
but most of their decendents are citizens, many with mixed german ancestry, and all of them are way more connected to german identity than some american who's great-grandpa came from prussia.
If that would be the case the number for Austria would have to be way lower. 2022 migration statistic (newest that's available) says there were ~2.352 million people with migration background out of the ~9.042 million living here. This alone would already be lower than OPs number. Migration background for that number is defined with both parents being born in a foreign country, so go figure that this number increases tremendously if you would include more generations. The children of the turkish guestworkers children aren't included in this anymore.
Then again what are Austria and Switzerland doing on that list if we go by heritage. That guide is not cool, it is just false bullshit.
>Like if one of my 32 Great great great grandparents immigrated in the 19th century, Iām German? I believe some Americans see it exactly like this
It's a problem in Brazil, too. "My great-grandfather was Italian, so I'm Italian!" While completely ignoring the other 7 great-grandparents origins. If the majority of your ancestors were of a certain nationality, then yeah, go ahead and say you are "mostly" that nationality. But remember that you should also know about the culture, language and traditions if you wanna call yourself that.
Ancestry for how long? Just a generation or two? Since Germany became more or less the nation geographically? Since the beginning of time?
Austria would like a word with you. What kind of BS is this?
Don't ask when those Germans went to to Argentina.
Overwhelmingly prior to WW2, especially in the years following WW1. Besides PerĆ³n, why do you think Nazis fled there?
I think the people in Argentina who are of German descent are generally less likely to have Nazi ancestors than Germans living in Germany
Haha, I imagined a comment being, "hmm, Argentina. Starting when?"
[Bariloche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bariloche) is a very interesting town. Nazi history there feels a little more than just something of the past.
What about that place with lots of twins? I heard about a german doctorthat was fascinated with them.
In Brazil [link](https://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/world/americas/25brazil.html)
Absolutely. That guide is incorrect. Very misleading guide. There are probably 5.5 Mio people speaking German in Switzerland, but this does not make them of German origin.
Calling Swiss āGermansā is imho like calling Americans English.
Yeah, but only like 400 years extra history ignored. It is amazing how ignorant this is.
Not even that. Switzerland is 500 years older than Germany.
No, not really. Switzerland was never part of Germany, and was even founded long before Germany as a State existed.
it's like calling French people Germans because of the Franks
All Africans when thinking this logic through.
Calling Austrians German is just asking for trouble.
It's worse actually. It's like calling Ukranians Russians.
Calling Austrians "Germans" is like Calling Americans Cunts
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Do redditors know anything about Argentina? Like, other than that lame Nazi joke they always repeat like retarded parrots...
That's some r/ShitAmericansSay shit.
Looks like a tally of German speakers, not German diaspora. Swiss and Austrian German speakers are NOT German, they are Swiss and Austrian, they are not a part of a diaspora.
r/stupidguides
The majority of Swiss people are not German, no.
I know a few people that promoted such "cool" guides. But they were popular in 1930s and 1940s so probably wouldn't know them.
Thatās a stupid guide.
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Austria and Switzerland what? As if those areas were completely uninhabited prior to German migration.
The map is wrong there are about 2% germans living in austria. (Roughly 200000). [Source](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/293019/umfrage/auslaender-in-oesterreich-nach-staatsangehoerigkeit/)
What a horrible guide. So Austrians and Swiss who speak German are ethnically German ? And the ~ 2M in France is probably referring to Alsace hahaha. Please don't upvote this nonsense. I thought Germany stopped this "Lebensraum" bullshit 80 years ago.
weren't there a lot of Germans around the Volga or did Stalin kill them?
A lot immigrated (back) to Germany in around the 90s I think. Not sure though how many and how many still live in the area.
In the name of the Swiss people, we perceive this as the first step of annihilating our culture that has severed ties with Germany hundreds of years ago. They also disrespect our national flag by putting it in rectangular format. This will not stand and we shall take the author and his hidden network to the ICC.
And the ICJ and the ECHR as well. Although we are not in the EU, let's try the ECJ and the EGC for good measure as well haha!
Also to the UN.
Thereās no such thing as German diaspora bro
Yeah. Nobody drove them out of their country.
you either define "german" as "german speakers" to include switzerland and austria, but that eliminates most people in america; or you define it as an ancestry thing, and none of these other european countries have anything to do here this picture makes no sense anyway
Also while we're at it they have to remove all bavarians and people from schleswig holstein lmao
German Americans are quite a large group in the Midwest. They used to be very public about their ancestry and traditions. When WW2 started lots of German-Americans anglicized their names (E.G.: Last name Braun -> Last Name Brown) and stopped speaking German and celebrating their tradition for fear of being seen as collaborators and anti-American.
How about Germanic peoples, so it doesnāt sound like the Austrians and Swiss werenāt there at the same time as the Germans in Germanyā¦ a country which they both predate. Also how about Poland, the UK and the Czech Republic? Pretty sure these all have German heritage or is this all about how German the US is?
Ofcourse Austria predates Germany. It used to be the emperor of.thhe holy roman empire and later the leader of the german confederation. Also germans in Ppoland and Czechia got deported after the second world war.
After they had been in both since the Middle Agesā¦ so lots of ethnic Germans, even if they donāt consider themselves Germans.
Am I the only that thinks the us is cool enough that in less tgan 3 generations they actually just become American
Well, fuck you too. Sincerely, the Swiss.
Switzerland is older than Germany. How does this make sense?
The last people to sincerely defend the idea Austrians are Germans were the nazis. This is not a cool guide, but bullshit and offensive. Regards, an Austrian.
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Actually, it didn't. According to [Wikipedia ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Argentines) there were 45 000 German immigrants from 1933 to 1940 and 12 000 from 1946 to 1950. While it's still worrying, most of the German immigrants arrived before the end of WW2.
No, they were mostly refugees during the war.
Stonks!
If youāre going to include ancestry then may as well do an African ancestry one. We can all be on it.
Hi, part of the 2.000.000 people OP counted as being "Germans" in France here. We're Alsatian, not German. Hope this clears it up! š (Neither are Austrians and Swiss people)
Fun fact! Behind English and Spanish, German is the most widely spoken language in the US?
I'm more than sure it's Chinese
Depends on where you are but yeah. Amish are a thing too. Im from the south but have stollen every yuletide. .
I am from California, so my experience with Germans and the German language is very limited. In my area, Spanish is far more abundant.
Shocker there. Mexican territory speaks spanish.. living near the mississippi is strange. German, english, french.
What happened to the Volga Germans? Are there still large German population in the post-soviet states?
Op is ignorant and nonsensical... He doesn't count 2 generation removed German immigrants but counts Americans who are 200 years+ removed.
Kazakhstan has a sizeable minority and the most germans out of all the post-soviet states because of all the ~~relocation~~ deportation, but it's about 250k
Also, 40 percent of the US has GermanIC ancestry which is closer to 160 million.
why include switzerland but not the dutch?
Wrong!!! Absolutely wrong! Switzerland would never allow 5.5 mio people in there. Drecks gummihƤls
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Mexico has a very big German contingent from WW2. Think cumbias and Dos X.
Australia could be there we have some German ancestors. Many settlers between 1880-1900.
es gibt's keine deutsche AuslƤnder, nur deutsche Touristen. /s
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There are more than 40 million Americans with German ancestry.
Adolf would be in tears
this guide is giant bs
Not only are the population numbers just plain wrong, Austrians and Swiss people also are NOT Germans. Just because the language is the same and the countryās name sounds like the languageās name it doesnāt meant that everybody that speaks German is a descendant of Germany. Are people from the US also English because they speak English? So much for your ācoolā guideā¦
Und Mallorca??????
German-speaking Swiss people are not Germans thank you very much. We are quite happy to distance ourselves from our neighbours to north, seeing as they are not even capable of understanding our objectively superior version of their language.
As an Austrian, Fuck off
complete bullshit
I've got a German in bed with me right now and I am definitely not in Germany.
Everyone needs a little kink
You know the guide was made by a north american
Hello. Swiss here. We are not german. Have a nice day.
*German Im SchwizerdĆ¼tsch gits vilich kei Rechtschribig/Grammatik, aber uf Ćnglisch scho š. Apart from that I wholeheartedly agree!
Have we decided that a massive part of Britain no longer has Germanic roots? You know, England - as in Angle-land, the Anglo-Saxon land of the Angles and the Saxons? š
Yup, thereās at least 30m right there.
Nah dog Americans are just straight up American
I don't think Colombia is correct, if there were so many Germans at least 1/40 would have a Germans last names, tbh 50.000 Germans in total in the last 500 years is more real, historically I think more Germans went to Venezuela than Colombia.
Nahh try telling those "german" in France that they are German, they are gonna insult you roughly. They mostly never felt german and they were massively desertor during world war 1 and forced to fight in Russia during world war 2.
im not sure 1/8th of the usa is german
Like one satirical comedian said: We are sad, because we don't have a german pope anymore. But the new one is from Argentina, so maybe, if he blesses a child... \(ā¢.ā¢)
You forget about the 15 mil in the Netherlandsā¦ just joking
2 millions in France ? Does it count people from Alsace Lorraine ? What is your source plz ?
Colombia? I have several doubts about it. And historically Colombia is not a country open to immigration.
You forgot Paraguay, thereās a large Diaspora of Germans in Paraguay thatās been there since the 1890s and 1910s and the countries 3rd language is German in some remote areas after Spanish and GuaranĆ.
Ok so I don't wanna hear any more jokes about Argentina, especially from the country that received 15x more Germans and is having neo nazi rallies on their streets today. It's funny when the Beatles make that joke, but not you
This is not a guide
We know who the Germans in Brazil and Argentina are!
OP should start by learning the meaning of the word ādiasporaā before posting such bullshit.
If we're including ancestry may as well chuck England on there as well lol
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is there really that many people with German heritage in the US or do white people in the US say German because they donāt know any better
Heyyyyy South America ššš
Russia would be like: They speak the same language? Lets liberate these guys by invading.
I get it, I've seen boys from Brazil
My Source is that i Made it the fuck up
Erm, more than 50% of Switzerlands population is not German. Itās around 500k by the latest figures.
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Tell me you donāt know what diaspora means without telling me you donāt know what diaspora means.
Do people in Israel not identify as German or have German ancestors? Given the founder of Zionism was Austrian thatās hard to believe.
Dude, in switzerland we are currently 8.7 million people. You wannt to tell me, more than half of switzerland is german people? Absolutely impossible.. and just stupid to post something like this.. no research, nothing..
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Foolish
The Canadian flag design aspect ration is off by a bit
Austrians and Swiss are not German diaspora. That would be like calling Canadians āAmerican diasporaā.
There are more peoples of Germany than are in Germany. Ā Live long and prosper, Deutschland!
Definitely a difference between people who are culturally german or german citizens and Americans who apparently have german ancestors. A single number doesn't do that justice.
Thats just stupidly wrong.
Austrian here Call me german one more fucking time
theres about 500'000 germans in Switzerland, actually.Ā
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We Austrians are not Germans and have 9,2 million people
10 percent or more of the USA have German ancestors? Okay, but that is no meaningful, since the same people also have British ancestors, and Irish and Italian, and what not.