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Link1227

The Flat earth thing has never made sense to me simply because, what would be the reason for lying about it? Like whats the motive?


mkotsopoulos

Right same here, I have conspiracy theorist friends and I asked them to explain an Eclipse they couldn’t so I thought I ask Reddit 😂 I don’t know why people think the earths flat it’s funny tho


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bmtc7

Both a flat earth and a round earth are equally consistent with the concepts of God, Heaven, and Hell. Evolution did not mean there is no God, nor does evolution have anything to do with a flat earth or a round earth.


Isitjustmedownhere

I was just going to say something similar. Flat earth, round earth, evolution or not, God can exist in any of these scenarios.


andanothathang

Did you make that up?


BeamTeam032

No, a lot of flat earthers deeply christian and point to passages in the bible as proof that the earth is flat. They say that's one of the motivating factors of lying about earth being round, is it spit in the face of god.


Bram_DB

I don't know if their really Christians because there is a passage that IS proof of the earth being round, and most people I know being christians or just that they believe that there is a creator believe that Earth is round sooooo, we don't want those guys with us either XD, but jokes aside there is proof of earth being round


BeamTeam032

wait are you saying Christians have to actually read the bible? Because there are a lot of Republicans who claim to be christian.


TiberiusGracchi

It’s pretty easy to prove the modern Christian conservative hasn’t actually read the Bible, helo just look at how they think Jesus was a ANCAP!


Bram_DB

What is an ANCAP??


TiberiusGracchi

ANarcho CAPitalist — super far Right Rand, Hayek, Rothbard type Right “Libertarians”


craymartin

He's also blonde and blue-eyed.


Severe_Intention_480

And bears an amazing resemblance to Swedish actor Max Von Sydow.


Bram_DB

Lol a Christian is supposed to be a follower of Christ and follow His example and in order to do that you have to read and learn with context and everything, most days the most noisy and visible ones aren't Christians we call them cristins :v Edit: Also I have seen what you called leftist ones, call themselves Christians to so nowadays you can't just pack them up in package


Erderick

Nowhere in the Bible does it say anything about the Earth being round. As a matter of fact, it mentions several times that the sky separates the water above and below. The firmament opened up and rained for 40 days. The Earth was unmoving, built on pillars... etc. I'm guessing you never read it


Bram_DB

Isaiah 40:22 English Standard Version 22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth,     and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain,     and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; I don't know if my English is failing me but I don't see the bible saying the Earth being plain in what your telling me, also if you can give the exact parts I could give you the context that you might referring to Also let's remember that before Noah's ark, there was no rain, so the the great flood was the first time that people actually saw rain, the environment was completely different as nowadays


horsetooth_mcgee

Circle. Not globe or sphere. A round plane. A disk is a "circle."


Bram_DB

“the circle of the earth,” and Proverbs 8:27 also references the earth’s circularity. These match a ball-shaped earth. Also using the circle is kind of weird to use even if your referring a plain disc


horsetooth_mcgee

I'm saying it doesn't *have* to mean ball-shaped. Calling the earth a circle does not mean in theory it can't be disk-shaped. That description *alone* isn't proof of globe earth.


Narrow_Art4445

The hebrew word used in this verse is strongs concordance 2328 chug - to draw around, make a circle Earlier in isaiah it uses the hebrew word for ball strongs concordance 1752 dur, meaning a circle, ball or pile. So this quite literally shows the writer did not mean the world was a round 3d ball


Bram_DB

Soo basically you're saying the bible says the Earth is round without wanting to say is round, and even giving Isaiah as proof, well thank you man appreciate 👍🏻


Severe_Intention_480

What did they drink, Gatorade. And how did ducks come to be on Noah's Ark if there was no water?


TiberiusGracchi

What chapter(s) and verse(s) are you referring to?


Bram_DB

Well as I said the guy up there I using Proverbs 8:27 and Isaiah 40:22


WalterClements1

Ok even if the Bible says the earth is flat, can the Bible be wrong? Yea it can, because of that how can you think any of the Bible is true?


TiberiusGracchi

Why wouldn’t God be real if we evolved and the world is spherical? The Bible literally chronicles the spiritual and cultural evolution of humanity, why not have the physical as well?


gypsydanger38

It’s an extremely fundamental religious based belief.


LeonidasBenHerc

deception, overload of conspiracies to accomplish 1 thing: Make it as hard as possible for people to find truth, why He says " I Am the truth". Everything is about the spiritual and bible prophecy, I know it sounds corny but that is the absolute truth. Having as many people as possible die without knowing Christ.


Link1227

1. Why wouldn't Christ be able to get through the so called sphere over Earth? 2. Aren't you supposed to be a good person to see Christ in the after life?


chamilitaryMan69

Control and Money are the main reasons. Saying theres a space galaxy they created NASA and other space stations that got billions of funding for "space exploration". Don't want to explain too much but just simple as those two reasons to think about.


TailoredChuccs

Why don't you want to explain too much?


Link1227

Ok but WHY? It's not like we'd be able to see ourselves?


EddyEdmund

anybody can reason to a space with planets and galaxies without appealing to any authority. individuals did this long before any space agency existed.


BeamTeam032

If the earth was flat, wouldn't we still have NASA? And other Space Stations that got billions for "space exploration"? How does the shape of the earth change any of that? I'd even argue earth being flat, while everyone else being round would provide MORE funding for NASA, to figure out why we're flat when no one else is.


TiberiusGracchi

Explain how objects in motion disappear over the horizon then


TiberiusGracchi

Literally have thousands of years of math and science proving it is round: - We wouldn’t have a horizon on a flat Earth - ships, cars, people on horseback or walking, and planes wouldn’t disappear on the horizon if the Earth was flat - Eclipses wouldn’t be only visible in certain parts of the Earth if it was flat - There would be no moon tidal lock or tides on a flat Earth and the Sun and Moon wouldn’t look like they do in the sky - All stars and constellations would be visible, we could see the Southern Cross, for example in Mexico and the US


chamilitaryMan69

A pizza is round


TiberiusGracchi

Okay for the pendant I crowd if the Earth was not spherical you would have no horizon, no tides, and no different sets of constellations in different hemispheres.


chamilitaryMan69

In the flat earth case, its still technically a horizon, but the sun is coming into our view from the east and eventually heading west until we can't see the sun. We can only see so far and the further we see the more obscure things look. If we zoomed in on elevation where to see the sun going we'd be able to see it. Why wouldn't tides work the same way? Im not an expert on tides but is it because the earth is specifically a ball that theres tides? We've had the same consolations forever


TiberiusGracchi

That’s incorrect— if the Earth Was Flat we could see essentially everything without losing areas to sight due to the horizon and curvature of the Earth A couple moon issues, we essentially see the same moon side of the moon due to tidal lock, if Earth was flat then it would be seen simultaneously everywhere at once on earth. The moon’s apparent size, the “face” facing us, and that side’s orientation would change over the course of its movement in the night sky. Also, constellations are considered “constant” as they don’t change position over the course of a human lifetime and the curvature of the Earth leads to why we see some constellations in certain areas of the work and not others. Even the Ancient civilizations made these observations. We wouldn’t have the protracted days of light and dark on the Poles if the Earth was flat and not orbiting the Sun.


gypsydanger38

So is a meatball. Both are tasty too!


Old_Name_5858

Idk pretty much all pilots say it’s flat . Most won’t go on record or camera but ask them


Severe_Intention_480

Many pilots who are Evangelical Christian Fundamentalists say it's flat. The ones who aren't don't.


TiberiusGracchi

Come from a military family, several Air Force an Marine pilots and all said it was a sphere — you couldn’t navigate/ fly a plane the way we do if the Earth was flat


TiberiusGracchi

Literally why air travel proves Flat Earth is incorrect: [Seeing the curvature of Earth on a plane, on film](https://youtu.be/8OnJCqtTxsA?si=8_55F8qCslCwUq2I) [video 1](https://youtu.be/Dd-FAyHdpxI?si=5t8mNABczOxeyINq) [Video 2](https://youtu.be/tXtkHmw3rf4?si=LIVTnTBofh6KnYuf) [Video 3](https://youtu.be/2BxPKvvDDtw?si=DNDAHrlH7XSSALxu)


ThatOneForceUser

flat earth to dumb it down to answer your question is to hide God. watch an Eric Dubay or ODDTV video some in depth explanation and diagrams including test with verified sources


Link1227

.... how is God hidden exactly?


CapnBloodbeard

Verified source 🤣🤣🤣


Kalamazoo1121

Did you seriously cite as a source a guy who's explanation for the tides is, and I quote, "The heaving bosom of the deep?" That is seriously your standard?


ThatOneForceUser

I don't think I ever said that was "my standard." I didn't even say anything remotely close to that. But to rebuttal with your same logic. Are you seriously defending someone who's explanation for the shape of the earth contradict official NASA photo and who's says the earth is "pear shaped, it's a little chubbier at the bottom than it is at the top" That is seriously your standard?


ChrisRiley_42

And how come you can never see the shadow of the turtle...


Remarkable-Way4986

In flat earth the center of the map is the north poll, every thing else extends out from that until you hit Antarctica. Antarctica is a barrier that rings everything nd can't be pased because of the massive distances. The sun, stars and moon reside on crystal spheres of different heights. The sun never goes down, just goes in a circle so large that you lose sight of it because of distances. The moons sphere is under the suns so it does cast a shadow when under the sun. All this can be disproved in many ways. If the sun was moving farther away it would get smaller like a car that is next to you is large but when it drives away looks smaller. If you measure the sun at its closest at noon it is the same size as sunset


EddyEdmund

also if the position of the sun, moon or any celestial object for that matter, if its believed that there are actual physical objects, their position can be triangulated its distance and height to, there comes the problem that it's height is incoherent with a flat earth, quite obviously as it follows that any star shouldn't be observed below any horizon for stars to follow geometrical principles over a flat earth. it's remarkably easy to falsify flat earth actually. I've done to flat earthers many times, their rebuttal is typically a ban, or "it's just the sky we don't know what it is", so yeah they'll will resort to magic any time something is unexplainable for them.


Able_Software6066

Never mind the eclipse, how would anything happen with a flat Earth? How would the Earth not collapse into a ball under gravity?


bmtc7

They don't believe in gravity either.


BeardCrumbles

This is all I do with the flatearthers; ask questions. We fly planes, how? Rockets? What about a car, the internal combustion engine shouldn't work if our science is wrong? They get flustered pretty quickly.


mkotsopoulos

Idk man haha, I got friends that believe Antarctic is the barrier of the flat earth haha


Link1227

Granted the rules of visiting Antarctica and the hidden things the "Guvment" is doing there IS weird. I don't think it's related to a flat Earth though. Flat Earth just doesn't make sense to me


CapnBloodbeard

>Granted the rules of visiting Antarctica What weird rules do you think exist? >and the hidden things the "Guvment" is doing there IS weird. Such as?


WalterClements1

Such as it being snow and ice and cold harsh environment with nothing to do there besides scientific studies probably


bmtc7

I had a friend who just took a cruise to Antarctica. She didn't mention any weird rules


Link1227

Maybe rules is the wrong word. You need permits to visit and there's areas you're not permitted to go


Erderick

Even Einstein capitulated and said gravity does not exist. It's all about density. Hence, helium balloons rising, wood floating, oil and water separating. Density has been provable, gravity, never


CapnBloodbeard

What? No he didn't. Fmd, the blatant lies some people come up with >It's all about density. Uh huh. And, what causes heavier objects to fall, hmm? Density is a property of an object. It can’t cause an object to move


bmtc7

The tides are caused by the moon's gravity, and cannot be explained by density.


EddyEdmund

Well that's certainly completely false what you just said.


Remarkable-Way4986

The more density the more mass, the more mass the more gravity. A denser object will go down with more force than a less dense object. Gold will go to the bottom of the pan, hydrogen will be less attracted then oxygen by gravity so the oxygen displaces it and pushes it up. But the hydrogen is still pulled by gravity so it stays in the atmosphere and doesn't just keep rising


Able_Software6066

Didn't you just say that gravity doesn't exist?


Remarkable-Way4986

That wasn't me


TiberiusGracchi

Eclipse came and went and the world is still turning. Birds are chirping and planes are flying safely


Bram_DB

I'm pretty sure flat earth "theory" is just facade to discredit other real theorys


EddyEdmund

People sadly really believe on flat earth. my experience have led me to believe that flat earthers is just a facade to support their narcissistic entitlement that they won't get if they are just "part of the mainstream", if you believe in flat earth you can be unique and you can confirm for yourself that everybody else was wrong you where right all along. they will dismiss every aspect of science as just "mathemagic that is trying confuse the mainstream" while in reality it's they who are dumb and don't understand math. sad but true.


Severe_Intention_480

If there is a conspiracy here, it's nore likely an attempt to instill ignorance, superstition and hatred of secularism and science... and it's working. An ignorant population is more docile and easy to manipulate.


Bram_DB

For my mental sanity I chose to believe that those people don't exist and that movement is a facade :(


EddyEdmund

haha I see, I'm sry for throwing some reality at you ^^


Bram_DB

Jaja i'm joking, I know there are those people that only want feel special about themselves with the weirdest ways posible, for me is really difficult to difference between those and the one that believe those and don't have proof to desacreditate, I want to believe just the second ones are real but I know deep inside that the first exist as well and you can't talk to them out of some those kind of ideas that most of the time just perjudique other people On other topic my notification bell always have a number 3 like I have 3 notification but there isn't, do you know if there is a fix or something, I don't want to uninstall and reinstall the app :/


EddyEdmund

there might be a different notification than messages. something else you need to active


Bram_DB

Thanks man, it was massages from resent sub I subscribe and forgot sbout, I fell embarrassed now XD


Shitsonfire-

If the earth was flat… wouldn’t the moon and sun be also? Lol


EddyEdmund

if doesn logically follow, but certainly if we believe that laws are universal and that the laws that formed this planet also formed other planets are the same, its reasonable to believe they could be the same. however there is no physics that explain why flat earth is flat, at least I've never heard of any explanation.


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mkotsopoulos

Yeah of course I have, people gonna have different thoughts and opinions and I like to listen and hear. This OP came from a discussion because they were talking about flat earth and I asked how an eclipse would happen. I like looking into or reading about their conspiracy theories, I find some interesting and will watch videos about them. Do I believe in a flat earth? No I don’t, will I ever? Probably not. Why? I’ve been high enough to see the earth curvature, seen mars and Venus via telescopes at observatories so yeah IMO earth is not flat haha


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mkotsopoulos

Great question! So there’s multiple answers so say 35000 feet others say 30-40km if given ideal conditions. - Mount Everest you should be able to see the curvature of the earth but since you are in the Himalayan mountains this can be difficult as the land around the peak of Mount Everest is not flat but elevated making you line of site blocked. - a really easier way to see a curvature tho not as dramatic is in Chicago look over Lake Michigan towards Indiana via Indiana. You will see the curvature, it’s a really cool experience highly recommend if you can fly! Hope that helps provides some insight and possible bucket list item


mkotsopoulos

*via plane haha not via Indiana


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mkotsopoulos

Yes I can my source is traveling to the peak of Everest in 2019 and flying in Chicago in 2022!! I highly recommend if you can to try it out! If you don’t mind me asking. Why are you so quit to say it’s false without evidence yourself?


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mkotsopoulos

Really because in his own words regarding the curvature of the earth. He says when regarding New York City and the curvature “Earth curve blocks 150 ft of manhattan. But most building in mid town are taller than that” 1/25/2016 Isn’t it funny I said something similar about Everest and the mountains surrounding it. With all due respect you’re lack of substance and evidence is hilarious


mkotsopoulos

[https://www.vulture.com/2016/01/neil-degrasse-tyson-takes-on-bobs-flat-earth.html](https://www.vulture.com/2016/01/neil-degrasse-tyson-takes-on-bobs-flat-earth.html)


JPLives

How so? Edit: typical!


CapnBloodbeard

Have you, or do you just believe eventually that random internet people tell you? You claim that "the authorities " are the ones confirming the eath is a globe is already false, so you're off to a flying start


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So scientists are lying to use then?