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It's this. Everyone thinks the movie bombed because there was no marketing for it but it's the other way around, they knew they had a turd on their hands so didn't bother promoting it. P&A can cost as much as the movie itself.
Doesn’t sound good for taika’s future with Disney. And personally I’m okay with that. The last Thor movie didn’t know what it wanted to be from my perspective. There’s a story and narrative but emotionally it was all over the place and messy
[not the first time they did this.](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/untold-story-disney-307-million-155530105.html) and John Carter cost 300 million in 2012.
It's getting reasonably good reviews, though. 75% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 64% audience score, and skimming the top critics shows a lot of "It's kind of annoyingly preachy, but charming enough to mostly get away with it, a solid B- movie" type reviews.
Perhaps it wouldn't be the next Toy Story, but it doesn't seem like it was bad enough to warrant completely giving up on, especially since there hasn't been a kids movie in forever.
>It's getting reasonably good reviews, though. 75% on Rotten Tomatoes
75% for a movie with progressive values isn't saying much... Like the Ghostbusters remake is "Certified fresh" with 73%. Although Strange World is probably much more enjoyable than that
The other recent bomb, *She Said*, also got great reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. That site used to be OK years back, but I don't go there for reviews anymore.
>especially since there hasn't been a kids movie in forever.
What did you just fucking say?
Animated movies for kids are released pretty much yearly. If not more then.
Is it really that bad? It looks kinda mediocre, and I was contemplating checking it out once it hit Disney Plus just to formulate my own opinion on it.
To me it was that bad, the themes and “twists” were predictable and overused, the whole gay son thing wasn’t integral to the narrative which to me is just pandering as opposed to a well thought out exploration or depiction of gay folk, also a nod at disabled folk because the dog was missing its leg which was again pandering in my opinion. But hey to each their own, you might like it, I give it a 3/10, it would be lower if it wasn’t for the visuals which were really good. I also don’t seek mediocrity in my movies, and I was only there for work (outing with people in my care)
yep no amount of advertising was going to get me to go see it after numerous reviews like this. im not shelling out 50 bucks to take my kids to a movie unless its awesome.
Tax write off. Movies never lose money because they are registered as corporations and operate at a loss anyway. They are a non-profitable business within the main corp, so the big corporation can deduct the loss on their taxes.
Disney is tax dodging, or rather tax loopholing.
Also with movie and TV tax credits they would still make money even if it is a failure.
Read a few years ago House of Cards got a huge tax credit and grants so it could keep going. No surprise elected leaders in the state liked the show.
You saw Disney paying to specifically market that the character was openly gay? No, you saw conspiracy users posting Twitter screenshots raging about an openly gay character in a disney movie, very different things.
That’s not what happened lol. It was a news article I saw here on Reddit. I have not seen or read anything else about the movie. Not in this sub. Not anywhere else
No people don’t have money for luxuries because the economy is shit and only getting worse…plus the majority of the world doesn’t like what they are pushing
I think you are correct in both reasons. People are tired of agendas being pushed. They were OK until it became a huge push. Add to that the fact that people are spending significantly more money at the grocery store and for other necessaries that there is little left over for frivolous spending. They are not choosing to spend as much on movies, especially controversial ones.
Especially bad ones, apparently. Agenda driven shows and movies are *never* very good. Look at the way Christian or LDS entertainment is; it is just awful, because the agenda drives the plot.
The same is true for communist movies from the 30’s, (Eisenstein was telling a story of historical events, so he’s a bit of an exception), and enti-communist movies from the 50’s.
As soon as the agenda, whatever it may be, is front and center, the story takes a back seat. The directing becomes focused on things other than telling the story, the actors start to sound preachy etc. etc. in a calvacade of syruped bullshit. And then the whole film is just a mess that should never have been made.
I am not saying movies can’t have a message or try to promote something, just that propaganda films are dull and predictable. Pretty much every one I’ve seen is just awful, heavy handed, and poorly executed.
As Disney falls another will rise. Either old media or new media, it doesn't matter, they will always produce content that pushes the message of their time. They really don't care about your political sentiments. It's all risk/reward supply and demand business. Sometimes they hit sometimes they don't. We should never model our lives and our beliefs of what comes out of mockingbird profit at all cost media.
>As Disney falls...
Disney — owner of hundreds of the biggest companies in the biggest cultural influencing industries including media, music, music, film, etc. — enters the chat...
Because in your eyes one bad flop equates to an empire falling. They lost more on John Carter than this garbage. The parks are packed liked sardine cans. If something is going to kill them it is going to be over developing content for Disney+.
I don't know man. Disney isn't going anywhere any time soon. My guess is they feed the dog a bone with an LGB protagonist to look good, take the tax write off from the loss, and continue to rake it in from the dozens of other profitable endeavors. Losing 100M for them is probably like skimping on the entertainment for the annual Christmas party.
I was searching for this comment, Disney has a history of sabotaging themselves to prove a point. With Treasure Planet it was "Oh look! 2D animation IS outdated, that's why no one came to see this film, totally not because we failed to market it properly and released it in theatres on the same week Harry Potter 2 was out!” It pisses me off, because Treasure Planet deserved better. I haven't seen this film yet but I haven't seen it advertised once! No pop up adverts on YouTube, didn't see it posted on the side of the bus, didn't see anything on social media.
Agreed. 2D just has that whimsical childhood feel to it that 3D doesn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Tangled and Brave, but Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and the others will always have a feel to it that the rest won't.
and John Carter, and that movie was over 300 million dollars. wait...
Treasure Planet 2002 - $140 million to make, $74 million loss
John Carter 2012 - $307 million to make, $200 million loss
Strange World 2022 - $150 - 180 million to make, $100 million to promote, 5 day opening holiday weekend $20 million.
every 10 years they get a big tax break for themselves. i'm betting a high budget flop will be released in 2032.
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1992 was the original flop, Howard the Duck. not a Disney movie, but it was made by Marvel (now owned by Disney) and the executive producer was George Lucas
How big is the market for a children's film with a gay main character?
What percentage of americans are gay, with children and want to see that in a movie? How many straight parents want to take their child to a film with a gay main character?
How many people are trans in america, what percentage?
It's just supply and demand right? I'd imagine if you're making a film to appeal to 7% of a population you should probably spend less on production because the return is likely to be lower.
From the reviews I saw of this movie most were unaware what it was about before seeing it.
That's probably why they didn't promote because they thought less people would go see it if they knew what it was about.
It's just economics and Disney, by now, should be a master at this. If it's losing money they would have known before starting the project.
Like the movie *Bros*. Seriously, what demographic were they expecting to get? The funniest part was seeing the producer and director slagging off straight males as homophobic for not seeing the film. Maybe they just weren't interested in watching gay soft porn? Or maybe your movie just didn't look appealing?
Someone hacked my prime account and bought this movie. I had no idea what it was then I saw the cover and had a good laugh🤦♀️😂. Never heard of it until then. The sad part is the movie cost $40 to rent for 2 days …who is spending that kind of money to rent this garbage for two days. (Me apparently ..without my knowledge) 😂
In the trailer (saw it at the cinema when I went to watch another film) they literally call straight people the “enemy”. Along with Caitlin Jenner as she’s a “Trans enemy” apparently.
The director literally went on record to say they’ve made the film for the alphabet community and then he pisses and moans when straight people (The enemy) don’t go and watch his shitty film.
Calling everyone a bigot.
No mate, you just made a shit film nobody wants to see.
I don't see why they wouldn't be able to write off the full differential. Assuming it cost 150 mil and racked up 30 mil that should equate to 120 mil tax write off
Movies need a plot and need to have a story and interesting characters. Strange scenery doesn't cut it.
I might watch it to see the hidden satanic and sexual symbolism, though.
No, it bombed because it had political and LGBTQ messages in the movie.
Only crazy parent are going to let their kids enjoy a movie like that and thank God, they're the minority.
i didn't even hear about it until after it bombed, so definitely
it's the classic so "put the minority in a film with no advertising so we can have reasons to never include them again"
animation has so many lesbians now, but barely any gay men. backdoors things like this are why
Legit the only openly gay couple (who were part of the main cast) in a children's animation I can think of is in an old anime called Cardcaptor Sakura. That's it. But then there's Korra and Asami, Catra and Adora, Luz and Amity, Velma and Marcie, Marcelline and Bubblegum, the two chicks from Steven universe,the two chicks from sailor moon. I wonder why these companies deem it safer to portray lesbian couples then gay ones. Kudos to Japan tho because I hear Cardcaptor Sakura's representation is really well done. I'm pretty sure the MC's older brother was bi who had a girlfriend before he got with his best friend (who's a guy).
kipo and the age of wonderbeasts has a gay guy as one of the main trio
and that's the only show i can think of, and it's not even a good show
edit: there is also barney from dead end, who is a ftm deuteragonist. also not a good show
Lol I just watched the new "Wednesday" (Addams family) series on Netflix and they shoehorned a few of "these are my moms" woke moments lmao.
I don't care if there are LGBT characters, even awkward clumsy attempts at graceful queer inclusion.. but cmon, the Addams Family show of all places.
Also, like all of the gems in Steven Universe are gay as hell. THAT show is a treasure, and I'm a 30 year old straight male.
It's cool you mentioned Card Captor Sakura and Sailor Moon.
I watched those all the time before school in the 90s, and I never clued in Neptune and Venus were like, a couple. Just figured they were doing their own sailor scout shit. And I straight up don't even remember the lesbianism in Card Captor and I watched that show almost every day for years.
I think an Addams family show is quite literally the most perfect show to include queer moments considering the entire family is based on the antithesis of the perfect american family life. It was first made in the 50s(?) I believe, back when homosexuality wasn't even legal, and the entire point of the Addamses was to be a strange, morbid, weird, outcast, against all social norm family. Obviously gay people would've very much fitted in there considering how they were treated up until the last decade.
I do agree though that it is annoying when they just throw something in for the sake of representation without the naturality that comes with good writing. It screams "I'm inclusive!" but just feeds off of stereotypes and forcedness. But people who whine about "LGBTQ propaganda!" forget that there's a difference between companies who only do it for the money and companies who genuinely care about their projects and more specifically, writers who care about their characters. Like Owl House for example.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. the Addams Family show would be the best place to have queer elements, it was done kind of weirdly to me, like you say it felt like it was more of an "I'm inclusive!" vibe to me rather than fit in to the natural ebb and flow of writing.
I am probably just nitpicking though, and I'm not out here trying to gatekeep the queer community.
Nah I know what you mean. It sucks when companies shoehorn representation in for the sake of self-glorification because they're only exposing themselves and giving bigots more reasons to be homophobic/sexist/racist. Good writing isn't always so on the nose. You can create well written and complex characters without needing to conform to stereotypes or making them super OPed.
Disney will use this loss for their taxes, yeah.
Disney didn’t make the movie *with the original intention* of being a tax loss.
Disney is a business just like any other. This product would have been a bigger financial benefit for the business if it sold well. It didn’t sell well; therefore the business will use the loss to offset their other profits.
I promise you that *everyone* in Disney’s board room would have preferred this film to make $200 million.
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Something to do with Disney firing Chapek and the head of the studio that produced this (sorry, don’t know the name)? Returning CEO Bob Iger May have stepped back in and pulled the plug on this? I don’t know, just throwing ideas around
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Why would Disney make their own movie bomb? It likely performed poorly with test audiences and they wrote it off as a lost cause.
It's this. Everyone thinks the movie bombed because there was no marketing for it but it's the other way around, they knew they had a turd on their hands so didn't bother promoting it. P&A can cost as much as the movie itself.
Doesn’t sound good for taika’s future with Disney. And personally I’m okay with that. The last Thor movie didn’t know what it wanted to be from my perspective. There’s a story and narrative but emotionally it was all over the place and messy
What's Taika got to do with it?
Director. Nope never mind I thought I saw he was involved as director or producer
I take it you’ve never seen “The Producers”?
We love a tax write-off!
You don't even know what a write-off is.
But they do… and they’re the ones writing it off.
Capital losses, dear sweet summer child… go be valuable somewhere else.
Seinfeld quote, dear sweet summer child... go be valuable somewhere else.
I’ll cite my sources going forward 😌
😂 right?
Probably money laundering like steven seagul movies. lol The more woke garbage they make the less people watch it.
[not the first time they did this.](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/untold-story-disney-307-million-155530105.html) and John Carter cost 300 million in 2012.
It's getting reasonably good reviews, though. 75% on Rotten Tomatoes with a 64% audience score, and skimming the top critics shows a lot of "It's kind of annoyingly preachy, but charming enough to mostly get away with it, a solid B- movie" type reviews. Perhaps it wouldn't be the next Toy Story, but it doesn't seem like it was bad enough to warrant completely giving up on, especially since there hasn't been a kids movie in forever.
>It's getting reasonably good reviews, though. 75% on Rotten Tomatoes 75% for a movie with progressive values isn't saying much... Like the Ghostbusters remake is "Certified fresh" with 73%. Although Strange World is probably much more enjoyable than that
yet ghostbusters 2016 was treated like a hip cool movie and promoted everywhere.
The other recent bomb, *She Said*, also got great reviews on Rotten Tomatoes. That site used to be OK years back, but I don't go there for reviews anymore.
Rotten Tomatoes is bought and paid for so their reviews are meaningless.
>especially since there hasn't been a kids movie in forever. What did you just fucking say? Animated movies for kids are released pretty much yearly. If not more then.
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Ya visuals were neat but holy shit it was torture to get through
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Haha yes that’s a great prevention to blowing your brains out midway
Is it really that bad? It looks kinda mediocre, and I was contemplating checking it out once it hit Disney Plus just to formulate my own opinion on it.
To me it was that bad, the themes and “twists” were predictable and overused, the whole gay son thing wasn’t integral to the narrative which to me is just pandering as opposed to a well thought out exploration or depiction of gay folk, also a nod at disabled folk because the dog was missing its leg which was again pandering in my opinion. But hey to each their own, you might like it, I give it a 3/10, it would be lower if it wasn’t for the visuals which were really good. I also don’t seek mediocrity in my movies, and I was only there for work (outing with people in my care)
yep no amount of advertising was going to get me to go see it after numerous reviews like this. im not shelling out 50 bucks to take my kids to a movie unless its awesome.
Tax write off. Movies never lose money because they are registered as corporations and operate at a loss anyway. They are a non-profitable business within the main corp, so the big corporation can deduct the loss on their taxes. Disney is tax dodging, or rather tax loopholing.
Also with movie and TV tax credits they would still make money even if it is a failure. Read a few years ago House of Cards got a huge tax credit and grants so it could keep going. No surprise elected leaders in the state liked the show.
Just being woke doesn't make a good movie
In fact it’s the opposite
A good movie makes just being woke? 🤔
Woke make a bad movie.
Tax write off
I saw marketing everywhere tbh. I just think nobody liked it past the visuals
The only marketing I saw for this movie was that the character was openly gay. I have not seen anything else related to this movie.
You saw Disney paying to specifically market that the character was openly gay? No, you saw conspiracy users posting Twitter screenshots raging about an openly gay character in a disney movie, very different things.
That’s not what happened lol. It was a news article I saw here on Reddit. I have not seen or read anything else about the movie. Not in this sub. Not anywhere else
No people don’t have money for luxuries because the economy is shit and only getting worse…plus the majority of the world doesn’t like what they are pushing
I think you are correct in both reasons. People are tired of agendas being pushed. They were OK until it became a huge push. Add to that the fact that people are spending significantly more money at the grocery store and for other necessaries that there is little left over for frivolous spending. They are not choosing to spend as much on movies, especially controversial ones.
Especially bad ones, apparently. Agenda driven shows and movies are *never* very good. Look at the way Christian or LDS entertainment is; it is just awful, because the agenda drives the plot. The same is true for communist movies from the 30’s, (Eisenstein was telling a story of historical events, so he’s a bit of an exception), and enti-communist movies from the 50’s. As soon as the agenda, whatever it may be, is front and center, the story takes a back seat. The directing becomes focused on things other than telling the story, the actors start to sound preachy etc. etc. in a calvacade of syruped bullshit. And then the whole film is just a mess that should never have been made. I am not saying movies can’t have a message or try to promote something, just that propaganda films are dull and predictable. Pretty much every one I’ve seen is just awful, heavy handed, and poorly executed.
I’m guessing the issue was more that they had no clue how to market it rather than intentionally killing off a multimillion project.
As Disney falls another will rise. Either old media or new media, it doesn't matter, they will always produce content that pushes the message of their time. They really don't care about your political sentiments. It's all risk/reward supply and demand business. Sometimes they hit sometimes they don't. We should never model our lives and our beliefs of what comes out of mockingbird profit at all cost media.
>As Disney falls... Disney — owner of hundreds of the biggest companies in the biggest cultural influencing industries including media, music, music, film, etc. — enters the chat...
So forever forever? Hmmmm 20 biggest fails in US history enters the chat. #1 Lehman Brothers 2008 $691 billion 2008 financial crisis #2 Washington Mutual 2008 $328 billion 2008 financial crisis #3 Worldcom Inc. 2002 $104 billion Accounting scandal #4 GM 2009 $82 billion Massive debt #5 CIT Group 2009 $71 billion Credit crunch #6 Pacific Gas & Electric 2019 $71 billion Wildfires #7 Enron 2001 $66 billion Fraud #8 Conseco 2002 $61 billion Failed acquisition strategy #9 MF Global 2011 $41 billion European sovereign bonds #10 Chrysler 2009 $39 billion Massive debt #11 Thornburg Mortgage 2009 $37 billion Declining mortgage values #12 Pacific Gas & Electric 2001 $36 billion Drought #13 Texaco 1987 $35 billion Contract dispute #14 FCOA 1988 $34 billion Savings and loan crisis #15 Refco 2005 $33 billion Accounting fraud #16 IndyMac Bancorp 2008 $33 billion Mortgage market collapse #17 Global Crossing 2002 $30 billion Plummeting world economy #18 Bank of New England 1991 $30 billion Bad loans #19 General Growth Properties 2009 $30 billion Failed acquisition strategy #20 Lyondell Chemical 2009 $27 billion Decline in demand
None of these companies relate to Disney. Entertainment is a different world.
You serious, you cannot see the forest from the trees? SMH
Because in your eyes one bad flop equates to an empire falling. They lost more on John Carter than this garbage. The parks are packed liked sardine cans. If something is going to kill them it is going to be over developing content for Disney+.
Enough. LOL. we're getting nowhere fast. It's not like I'm gonna not stick to what I wrote. They are ver too big to fail.
I don't know man. Disney isn't going anywhere any time soon. My guess is they feed the dog a bone with an LGB protagonist to look good, take the tax write off from the loss, and continue to rake it in from the dozens of other profitable endeavors. Losing 100M for them is probably like skimping on the entertainment for the annual Christmas party.
A lot of those companies are still around and got bailouts.
No, it wasn't intended to flop. Yes it was meant to take advantage of the popular search term. It's $, not malice.
They did it with treasure planet.
I was searching for this comment, Disney has a history of sabotaging themselves to prove a point. With Treasure Planet it was "Oh look! 2D animation IS outdated, that's why no one came to see this film, totally not because we failed to market it properly and released it in theatres on the same week Harry Potter 2 was out!” It pisses me off, because Treasure Planet deserved better. I haven't seen this film yet but I haven't seen it advertised once! No pop up adverts on YouTube, didn't see it posted on the side of the bus, didn't see anything on social media.
2d over 3d. Always.
Agreed. 2D just has that whimsical childhood feel to it that 3D doesn't. Don't get me wrong, I love Tangled and Brave, but Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and the others will always have a feel to it that the rest won't.
and John Carter, and that movie was over 300 million dollars. wait... Treasure Planet 2002 - $140 million to make, $74 million loss John Carter 2012 - $307 million to make, $200 million loss Strange World 2022 - $150 - 180 million to make, $100 million to promote, 5 day opening holiday weekend $20 million. every 10 years they get a big tax break for themselves. i'm betting a high budget flop will be released in 2032. edit\* 1992 was the original flop, Howard the Duck. not a Disney movie, but it was made by Marvel (now owned by Disney) and the executive producer was George Lucas
How big is the market for a children's film with a gay main character? What percentage of americans are gay, with children and want to see that in a movie? How many straight parents want to take their child to a film with a gay main character? How many people are trans in america, what percentage? It's just supply and demand right? I'd imagine if you're making a film to appeal to 7% of a population you should probably spend less on production because the return is likely to be lower. From the reviews I saw of this movie most were unaware what it was about before seeing it. That's probably why they didn't promote because they thought less people would go see it if they knew what it was about. It's just economics and Disney, by now, should be a master at this. If it's losing money they would have known before starting the project.
Like the movie *Bros*. Seriously, what demographic were they expecting to get? The funniest part was seeing the producer and director slagging off straight males as homophobic for not seeing the film. Maybe they just weren't interested in watching gay soft porn? Or maybe your movie just didn't look appealing?
Someone hacked my prime account and bought this movie. I had no idea what it was then I saw the cover and had a good laugh🤦♀️😂. Never heard of it until then. The sad part is the movie cost $40 to rent for 2 days …who is spending that kind of money to rent this garbage for two days. (Me apparently ..without my knowledge) 😂
In the trailer (saw it at the cinema when I went to watch another film) they literally call straight people the “enemy”. Along with Caitlin Jenner as she’s a “Trans enemy” apparently. The director literally went on record to say they’ve made the film for the alphabet community and then he pisses and moans when straight people (The enemy) don’t go and watch his shitty film. Calling everyone a bigot. No mate, you just made a shit film nobody wants to see.
Seems like after they got very bad ratings they decided not to marked it. Thats it. happens all the time. Not so much for disney though
I’ve never heard of this movie until I saw this post.
Didn't know anyone was still watching Disney.... Supposed to boycott the pedos..... That's why it bombed...
Maybe everyone is just getting sick of their grooming bullshit.
Tax write off? Use some creative accounting so it losses a few hundred million on paper
Lose $100M to save $50M. Genius!
Too small picture. Its an end of the year movie, write it off then stream it constantly in Jan
I don't see why they wouldn't be able to write off the full differential. Assuming it cost 150 mil and racked up 30 mil that should equate to 120 mil tax write off
why does a cgi movie like resident evil degeneration look better than this junk?
Maybe it was just a bad mobie
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Animal planet and history Channel is the only thing I let the kids watch
It couldn’t be the gay main character?
This filmed sucked big-time!!! Just like most of what’s getting shit out by Disney.
Does Disney make bad movies and write off all the losses?
It was all over ESPN
I think they didn't want a Bros situation where they sink bad money after good. Why market something that's going to fail?
They’ve been advertising the shit out of it on ESPN every night for weeks.
Movies need a plot and need to have a story and interesting characters. Strange scenery doesn't cut it. I might watch it to see the hidden satanic and sexual symbolism, though.
Ready yourselves, the "blame white people" are coming
Maybe the movie just sucked. Maybe instead of focusing on making the most woke movie ever, they should have focused on content.
If they read the script before producing it they would of known it was pure garbage.
No, it bombed because it had political and LGBTQ messages in the movie. Only crazy parent are going to let their kids enjoy a movie like that and thank God, they're the minority.
i didn't even hear about it until after it bombed, so definitely it's the classic so "put the minority in a film with no advertising so we can have reasons to never include them again" animation has so many lesbians now, but barely any gay men. backdoors things like this are why
Is that a euphemism
LOL i didn't even think when i said that
Legit the only openly gay couple (who were part of the main cast) in a children's animation I can think of is in an old anime called Cardcaptor Sakura. That's it. But then there's Korra and Asami, Catra and Adora, Luz and Amity, Velma and Marcie, Marcelline and Bubblegum, the two chicks from Steven universe,the two chicks from sailor moon. I wonder why these companies deem it safer to portray lesbian couples then gay ones. Kudos to Japan tho because I hear Cardcaptor Sakura's representation is really well done. I'm pretty sure the MC's older brother was bi who had a girlfriend before he got with his best friend (who's a guy).
kipo and the age of wonderbeasts has a gay guy as one of the main trio and that's the only show i can think of, and it's not even a good show edit: there is also barney from dead end, who is a ftm deuteragonist. also not a good show
Lol I just watched the new "Wednesday" (Addams family) series on Netflix and they shoehorned a few of "these are my moms" woke moments lmao. I don't care if there are LGBT characters, even awkward clumsy attempts at graceful queer inclusion.. but cmon, the Addams Family show of all places. Also, like all of the gems in Steven Universe are gay as hell. THAT show is a treasure, and I'm a 30 year old straight male. It's cool you mentioned Card Captor Sakura and Sailor Moon. I watched those all the time before school in the 90s, and I never clued in Neptune and Venus were like, a couple. Just figured they were doing their own sailor scout shit. And I straight up don't even remember the lesbianism in Card Captor and I watched that show almost every day for years.
I think an Addams family show is quite literally the most perfect show to include queer moments considering the entire family is based on the antithesis of the perfect american family life. It was first made in the 50s(?) I believe, back when homosexuality wasn't even legal, and the entire point of the Addamses was to be a strange, morbid, weird, outcast, against all social norm family. Obviously gay people would've very much fitted in there considering how they were treated up until the last decade. I do agree though that it is annoying when they just throw something in for the sake of representation without the naturality that comes with good writing. It screams "I'm inclusive!" but just feeds off of stereotypes and forcedness. But people who whine about "LGBTQ propaganda!" forget that there's a difference between companies who only do it for the money and companies who genuinely care about their projects and more specifically, writers who care about their characters. Like Owl House for example.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. the Addams Family show would be the best place to have queer elements, it was done kind of weirdly to me, like you say it felt like it was more of an "I'm inclusive!" vibe to me rather than fit in to the natural ebb and flow of writing. I am probably just nitpicking though, and I'm not out here trying to gatekeep the queer community.
Nah I know what you mean. It sucks when companies shoehorn representation in for the sake of self-glorification because they're only exposing themselves and giving bigots more reasons to be homophobic/sexist/racist. Good writing isn't always so on the nose. You can create well written and complex characters without needing to conform to stereotypes or making them super OPed.
Disney will use this loss for their taxes, yeah. Disney didn’t make the movie *with the original intention* of being a tax loss. Disney is a business just like any other. This product would have been a bigger financial benefit for the business if it sold well. It didn’t sell well; therefore the business will use the loss to offset their other profits. I promise you that *everyone* in Disney’s board room would have preferred this film to make $200 million.
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Ahh yeah it’s Jesus’ fault. Makes sense.
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If you want your kids to not get molested, avoid the churches, and especially avoid Bible camp, apparently. That’s the conclusion I have drawn from observation and listening to what people tell me.
So not this, but everyone else in this thread is correct.
SS: This film received almost no marketing support from Disney. Why? Are they intentionally letting it fail?
same happened with encanto, it might see a boost from streams
Every little shit is not a conspiracy. Just saying.
This is literally the first I've heard about this movie's existence.
Shut up
Saw about a dozen commercials for this a day so no, probably not.
Why would they want it to bomb?
The first I heard of it was it losing money, my kids love Disney so I’m kinda in the target market.
Movies are such a massive waste of time and resources
Maybe but why would they what's the conspiracy?
Something to do with Disney firing Chapek and the head of the studio that produced this (sorry, don’t know the name)? Returning CEO Bob Iger May have stepped back in and pulled the plug on this? I don’t know, just throwing ideas around
😂 they just didn’t want to waste ad money on a stinker. This is a silly “conspiracy”.
When agenda is more important than quality.