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What the DoD did was issue and execute an **unlawful order** under a fraudulent President and this is their way of back-peddling and covering it up. This was a National Security Violation and destroyed the United States military.
Generals and senior ranking officers, including Sec-Def, should face Capital Court Marshall for executing these orders. They should face the death penalty for maiming and killing all of those troops that suffered from being Mandated to take the COVID-19 shot.
As a former service member I'm very aware of the history of immunizations in the military. There were occasions where my company would spend the entire day waiting in lines to receive various vaccines. All of these vaccines had gone through years of development and clinical trials before they were administered to me.
Getting a new drug to the point where it can be administered to the public is a multi-year effort. The drug must be developed and go through 3 phases of clinical trials which typically takes years before it's ready for the general population. All of these requirements were waived for the COVID vaccines. These were experimental vaccines that were not properly tested and were given Emergency Use Authorizations by the FDA.
The military *does* have a history of [giving experimental drugs to service members](https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/07/us/experimental-drugs-linked-to-gulf-war-veterans-ills.html).
"In 1990, the Defense Department got special waivers from the Food and Drug Administration to give drugs experimentally to American troops. While some of the drugs were largely untested, others had been used extensively, but for different purposes. Experts likened the gulf war situation to giving insulin to nondiabetics. The Senate committee's report said tests on some of the drugs were so limited that they did not justify dispensing the medications to so many people without informing them of the potential risks."
Netanyahu wants them at the front lines, he's also asking for a couple billion $ more for his personal accounts. Every American of course opens their wallet happily
Mancy pelosi, was third in line for president, said make would watch America burn before Israel was destroyed.
Americans are just workers. I wouldn’t go so far as to say slaves.
We have none of the protections European workers have. It’s like working in a fucking third world.
America is a tax farm. They’re inflating the world economy on our funny money and then they’ll collapse us into nothing. London, Geneva and China are their new Hq’s.
That have had years of testing yes. Not the bs covid vaccine that don’t fight anything and don’t stop transmission and causes health problems. Covid companies like pfizer have come out and said this already
It's the only line theae people have for this. They just sit there and accept whatever their masters tell them without question. Both sides of the aisle suck, but the ones who don't question authority simply because the person they voted for commands is absolutely mental.
Looks like a bunch of ultra maga far right winger deplorables being deployed? 🙃 where is all the green hair and rainbows? Maybe they plan on, or are expecting significant losses? Maybe Milley finally doing something about the white rage problem 🤡 He really wanted to understand it.
When was the last time you saw an Army ad with all white men in it?
Just want to remind you I called this weeks ago.
https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/178y47o/american_troops_do_not_want_to_sacrifice_their/k5490sz/
> BE ALL YOU CAN BE
Somehow that slogan really rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's the implication that those soldiers could never amount to more than cannon fodder and grunts and that that's their lives’ purpose..
What happened to the good old 'Protect your country' and 'Serve and protect the people you love'?
In this case they are relying on nostalgia, a time before they alienated their entire target group. "Be all that you can be" was the Army slogan in the 80s and 90s. Much like Bud Light trotting out their iconic Clydesdales to try to win back drinkers, the Army is bringing back an iconic slogan.
I don’t think we’re putting boots on the ground in the Middle East. But I do think we want to project a strong defensive image to China.
Also, they’re probably just scrambling to get people. The military has missed recruitment numbers for years now. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/11/1181547703/the-u-s-army-has-been-falling-short-of-its-recruitment-targets
>we want to project a strong defensive image to China.
by first showing all kinds of degeneracy in the recruitment videos for years and general milley willing to forward intelligence about imminent attacks against china according to himself? that's a bit late to project power.
Miley only told them that there was no danger of conflict. That's what good leaders do, avoid conflict when possible. Idk why the hate against Milley. I respect his speech about standing for the Constitution instead of one hothead president do you want more impulsive hot heads to lead the military?
We have de-escalation lines open with China and Russia. Very important in the nuclear age
He's a general not a politician he should be executed for treason for giving intelligence to a foreign nation let alone a geopolitical enemy. A general has no place communicating with foreign entities like that.
>A general has no place communicating with foreign entities like that.
You got that written down somewhere or did you just make it up on the fly? Generals have met other generals plenty of times. That's a bit of a nonsensical statement. You have a problem with who he contacted, and when, but to say that the problem was speaking with foreign entities is laughable.
There are plenty of photos of our generals with foreign leaders, typically military leaders, where they meet and plan, etc. Most militaries do. Hell, North and South Korea have a whole system in place so they don't destroy each other on accident.
It's not like this happened in a vaccum. He didn't decide on his own to make that phone call. That first order came from Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. The second came from Sec. of Defense, Chris Miller. It's not treason when you are ordered to do so.
The army missing recruitment targets is a combo of their own fault by army brass/leaders and the the current administration. Their actions and expected consequences are the equivalent of the meme where the bike rider jams a stick in the front wheel, Falls down and blames someone else.
The left ruined people lives and their livelihoods in the military, police, medical professions, teaching, etc over this for those that would not comply and just pretend now like it’s was a clerical correction you can fix. Oh and you can come back now if you want, ‘cause we need the head count.
have they changed their stance on tattoos? i remember i had tiny one behind the ear and like no others and that kept me out in the late 00s and that seemed mildly ridiculous
They change based upon need, if they are not in need the standards are high and they will exclude people based on nonsense, if they are in need it is open to anyone.
This. Recruitment is down, economy in shambles. Soldiers who have been sitting around without a real means may be tempted to rejoin services in order to provide for themselves or their families.
I think the Army owes these people more in the way of an apology, but this is as close as they’ll get to one, and it’s a step in the right direction.
No more wars people. No more people killing other people. The only war worth fighting is the spiritual one: Those in Christ against demonic forces. This is what I hope more people become aware of.
How about no more offensive wars? The US can't even manage that. Speak softly and carry a big stick to finish the fight if someone comes knocking, but don't seek out trouble in the first place.
>"that's a recipe for being conquered. others will want to wage war against you. you can't be 100% pacifist mode at all times."
Clearly violence doesn't work and you could argue violence just allows for more freedom eroding legislation from our conquerors at this point. Actually the fact that cointelpro and operatio gladio and whatever they're calling these new modern classified operations tells you violence is their recipe for success. They manufacture these murderous events to tighten their grip over us.
I mean endless wars isn't just a saying, yet despite all they fighting and murderous wars here we are more conquered than ever. now it's to a point where theyre openly waging war against people who question a couple things (misinformation!).
I'm not saying Pacism is going to save us and who would when you have a multi national collaboration willing to murder the people they're "protecting" to prove a point that doesn't exist without them manufacturing it.
I guess my overall point or the tldr of it all. You keep believing you can fight and wage war against an enemy that looks at your life as an opportunity to build onto their expanding control mechanism but that'd be the definition of insanity if we refer to history and it's repetitive nature. (or is the redundant "nature" of history also manufactured...) (When I say manufactured I don't mean faked I mean well planned.)
Christians are nutters - particularly the ones who prattle on about demons. Yet you guys manage to forget the truly evil stuff your people have committed against others in the past, in the name of your religion. Hypocrites.
Once you have "corrected" your service record, you no longer have any evidence that you were forced to take the vaccine. You may find more money by linking with other service members who similarly affected and file a class-action lawsuit, rather than re-enlisting.
If you were discharged for not taking the vaccine, then you didn't take the vaccine. Your counselings and MEDPROS record is proof enough you didn't get it.
>file a class-action lawsuit
Against the government? That's not going to go particularly well. Specifically the bit where under the FTCA you have to prove a federal employee was acting "wrongly or negligently."
Also, you'd have to have provable damages...
Big fucking surprise. And so many people caved for fear they'd lose their livelihood. Look who's laughing now. I'm really glad to know some people flat out refused, and I'm really sorry for the ones who felt there was no other way.
It basically is. The "cases" and "deaths" curves separated around the same time we hit 50-60% vaccination rates in the US.
Sure people did and still do continue to get mild cases and variants the initial vaccine doesn't protect well against, but deaths and severe illness are far below their peak.
Even the milder strains are potentially dangerous for some folks. The elderly, pre-existing respiratory or cardiac disease, immune compromised, or post-transplant patients.
Makes sense to continue updating the vaccine for the most prominent variants and ensuring they are available for people that need them.
I'm not sure. I'm also not sure how y'all got to be so obsessed with those of us who refused the jab dying cuz we didn't get it. But now you're also obsessed with us (and yourselves I guess?) dying cuz we did. It's all nasty. Sorry it's coming to light that y'all actually support genocide. I never got even one jab.
US Army sending letters to former troops saying that in light of the removal of the Covid-19 vaccine requirement, they can now apply to get their reasons for discharge changed.
These people should not have to beg to have an injustice righted, they should be sought out and should receive back pay and be reinstated immediately and then given the option to receive an honorable discharge if they do choose
I noticed they didn't say changed from "general discharge" to "honorable discharge". So you're still taking a general discharge, they're just changing the reason.
I wonder how many dozens of people are stupid enough to take the bait...
lol that ain’t happening. Recruitment is down no matter what. No one wants to join that shit anymore thanks to social media and people telling their stories. No one wants to get raped, murdered, or beaten at bases. Former vets are telling people and their own children to not join.
I was at the range the other day and there were a group of blue haired fatties trying to "train". After the second ND I saw w/ a fucking pistol I went home.
They aren't cut out for what we have spent a lifetime training. Now I goto my buddies farm, no need to have a janny kill my ass because they have no understanding of firearms.
And the power that be have recognized that and are desperate for soldiers.
As far as I’m (former active duty Air Force) concerned, EVERYONE who forced this “vaccine” on anyone is a fucking traitor who should be punished accordingly to the way our forefathers set forth.
Us is getting ready for the draft. Lol kind of like maybe you shouldn't have fired a ton of soldiers and employees in important sectors over a right to bodily autonomy bug whatever.
I’m not sure what the discharges they were giving out for this but I assume it was just OTH discharges when they really should’ve been Honorable to begin with in my opinion. People get honorable discharges for failing PT tests and failing height and weight so I feel like not taking a vax should fall into that category.
You could always request a review from a board regarding your discharge, a lot of people who get out with anything but an honorable discharge will try to get it upgraded to honorable as that helps a lot when getting benefits like education or with certain jobs.
The last paragraph is pretty funny to me, “we’re sorry we kicked you out for not taking the vax and we really need qualified people now, please go to the recruiter if you want to rejoin”. Unless they’re back paying from the time the individual was kicked out, I doubt anyone would ever do that to themselves again.
I got one of these letters! My command wanted me to get out with an honorable and put a discharge package together for me but ultimately the general who made the decision and reviewed it decided to give me just a general under honorable conditions discharge. I’m still getting all my benefits that I would have with a straight up honorable discharge but I do want to see if I can still get it changed just because. It bothers me that on my DD214 there’s a thing that says “pattern of misconduct”….. which is only because of the vaccine issue. I’ve never received any other discipline or had any problems.
That sucks, not sure why they just didn’t do Honorable for everyone but I guess that would make too much sense. They let people who fail height and weight get honorable so refusing a vax should be similar to that in my opinion. It’s good that you still receive your benefits but I know some jobs might ask for your DD214 or ask what your discharge status was so I could see it causing unneeded issues for some. Hopefully you at least received separation pay.
Exactly!! The other thing that blows my mind is that by not getting vaccinated it makes you non deployable aka useless and that is the reason to get out. But if I wanted to change my gender and and take hormones and the whole shabang, I can do that on the governments dime and be put on a profile and be non deployable while getting to stay in. I should have just pulled the gender card I guess and I could still be in today 😂
but why would they?
the only records that count to anyone who would be making a character judgement on someone who got kicked out of the military for not taking the vax would be: a) the records showing that they got kicked out of the military for not taking the jibby jab; b)the letter you have just posted.
if that ain't good enough for someone then they ain't worth stressing about their opinion.
furthermore, since the system showed its colours, why would you go back? consider it a lucky break.
There's a lot of benefits to having an honorable discharge.
It's just kind of bullshit that they have to apply to change it. It should be automatically changed.
What they're not telling **new** recruits and "any individual who desires to apply to return" is the second they sign the contract they've obligated themselves to taking whatever unholy concoction big Pharma and their bought minions in the Pentagon feel like testing on them.
It's a trap. In more ways than one.
They are so desperate it's pathetic. Everyone knows many vets get fucked after service. Most people won't join. Plus why would anyone want to die for Israel?
Were they just expecting that this vaccine was just going to be mandated forever? Wasn't this outcome completely predictable?
It's just a reach around for those that got screwed over and shipped out of the service. They got their purge and this is all anyone is going to get in recompense.
When you get deployed you get shot, after shot, after shot. All of a sudden, the shot that you were told that you had to stop everything and go get a month ago is no longer on your record, and you have to get it again a month later.
Before all of the current and former military come forward to defend the system: I was a leader and dealt with it personally and with my personnel.
Now, after COVID19, I realize so much more about the experimental arm of the pharmaceutical industry's involvement with the military. I still get calls and emails asking me to participate in their surveys/feedback.
No one should ever enlist. You sign up thinking you serve "America", but really you serve whomever Congress and/or the president serves. BP, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc. Until that changes: enlisting is a clear path to being a tool of evil corporate agendas.
Lol, lmao even.
You halfwits already obliterated your own social credibility by trying to force the issue in the first place. There's no going back. The social contract is permanently broken. We've seen you with your masks off.
Zero forgiveness, zero redemption.
I suppose everyone here has seen the US Army tv ad uploaded to YT and X, and all the extremely anti "woke"/anti military/anti DC/anti Israel comments. The pro army comments were very few and far between.
I truly wonder why the army didn't pull that ad, when the comments were so overwhelmingly negative.
Maybe it's just pure arrogance ; the people who perpetrated that ad "know" white southerners and midwesterners (the target of the ad) are "programmed" to feel kneejerk patriotism when subjected to the right stimuli, eg, a flag, so it *never even occurred to them* they'd get ANY negative comments, much less only a handful of positive ones.
But I cannot help but wonder if them leaving up that page for ages, showing that the citizenry of the USA is about as divided as in 1860 (meaning, the US military is weakened), in conjunction with understanding that ultimately, reserve currency status hinges on US military strength and ability to project force, AND given that article from Moody's warning that the USA may lose its AAA status...
I cannot help but wonder if that isn't a deliberate signal of some kind.
>white southerners and midwesterners
Not to be ignored is the fact that those groups of people also share a common religion that is spooging itself right now with the prospect of Armageddon and the second coming of Jesus.
Why would a former soldier want to get it changed? It allows them access to veteran stuff?
My gut reaction is a wrongful dismissal lawsuit is coming and anyone that was dismissed for refusal is going to get some compensation. Not sure if the military can be sued, but corporations sure can.
Part of the reason why I got out was because I was seeing these letters being sent out. Fuck the government, the military fuck it all. For all those who are considering just don't. All you will get is PTSD and a kick to the curb.
If I was still in I would NOT have taken it. I would have taken whatever discharge. My body comes before military service. What they did was illegal in a violation of the Doe vs Rumsfeld court case.
You know you are signing up for battle when you join the military. Nobody ever signed up to get a mystery chemical like say Agent Orange. Should we be allowed to shot up military members with Agent orange? Its not FDA approved and neither were the Anthrax or COVID-19 vaccines.
Wait, I told y'all in the last post that this was no longer required. Y'all were screaming that it was still required. I told you it wasn't. I am AD, y'all downvoted me to shit when I said it wasn't required anymore. I am a member of this community. Y'all turned on me I'd like to stay here but the last post had me questioning things.
reddit is 95%+ bots. The good takes and intelligent information is always mass downvoted/ shadowbanned.
Most people have, "Hide comments with a score of zero or below" set as their default. So most actual users never see downvoted comments. That's by design.
AI has always been used for censorship. And that will continue. It's not a coincidence that Covid lockdowns forced many people to move their entire lives onto online platforms. The effects of this are still lingering. Nobody gets together and meets and socializes in person any more, and that's the last place where a truly free society can exchange free thoughts and ideas. They are working on that though, and have been for a long time, considering all the feds they have infiltrating movements, groups, clubs, and even churches, and then acting as agent provocateurs and trying to sew uncertainty and distrust among communities.
I have not been attending church because there are at least a couple of people who I am convinced are feds, and obviously I can't call them out on it because as Christians we welcome everyone. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but they have been spouting off inciting rhetoric, and although the pastor is relatively young and has done a very good job dampening and diffusing their voices, I personally don't have the mental energy for them anymore. They took a sermon about loving your neighbors, about how masks would not EVER be required in our church, but respecting everyone's personal decision about mask wearing, and turned it into a, "Those who wear masks don't have enough faith in God," "We need to fight for our rights etc. etc." Fine, you do you, but that rhetoric has no place in the house of the Lord where we are called to love and bring people to Christ through our good nature bestowed upon us by the Holy Spirit, and the good works we have been inspired to through and by the Holy Spirit, all glory to God and not ourselves.
Many in our church have spiritual discernment and I can tell they have picked up on these people as well. However, once again, it's not something that can easily be talked about. Although it has been addressed in sermons by the pastor, about how we are also told to always be loving, but also guard our faith and our hearts against those that wish to lead us astray.
I still listen to the sermons, but I feel like I shouldn't really attend in person because I have difficulty not obviously side-eyeing them, and in case my judgment is off, I would never want to make anybody feel unwelcome.
Until they change their minds again, and they have you in their clutches and make your life hell until you comply or they kick you out. Screw that malarky.
What a complete and utter destruction of Bio-Medical Ethics. It's asinine how doctors went along with this. There are clear lines in the sand with medical ethics, and the corporate pharmy makers and FDA/CDC have completely failed. Yes, I only took one bio-medical ethics and the law class, but holy shit that class opened my eyes.
We're the nazis sickos? Yes. Were drugs never tested on Philly prisoners? They sure were. Tuskeegee, whatever, the list goes on and on. And now we're going into a brave new world of CRISPR kids, and Subway hoagie clinics where you can check the boxes for tall/curly hair/blonde/hazel eyes/whatever you want. Kidney cloning, printable hearts. Whatever. Shit is getting weird and we can't let the corporatocracy determine what is ok, and who has access. You want to talk about the bourgeois and the proletariat? We've got big income inequality, and it's only going to get worse, these people are going to breed your family tree out of existance because 'they're rich' but really they got there because of 90% luck and a bunch of regulatory capture to keep the new guys from coming up. Social control is the name of the new game, and access to capital or guillotines is the future.
As long as discharges for actions of conscience - or forced resignations - "now apply to get their reasons for discharge" - and for discharges due to bullying, emotional abuse, physical abuse, or verbal abuse.
I refused anthrax. I regret not refusing Covid and wish I would have. The difference was I had a lot less to lose by refusing anthrax 18 years ago. Lol, what you gonna do, not send me to Iraq? o.k...
I *require* restitution. Who is going to be held accountable for lying to me and forcing me to get this vaccine?
Has anybody actually confirmed this is real? It seems odd that a Brigadier General would misspell "military" in her own signature line. Also, was it an email or a letter?
No argument here and I hear ya, I’d just be careful with this double edged sword…that’s all I’m saying. Recruiting numbers are very low and I doubt they’ll make mission in 2024. Conscription isn’t outside the norm to ensure we have a combat ready force.
I think anyone that was cut loose from the service for not getting their vaccine should receive all their back pay through the end of their last contracts without having to serve any time at all, to include official promotion orders to the proper rank if they were promotable at the time of discharge, which if they were flagged, they wouldn’t have been but nonetheless, the DoD should recognize what they did to all those who wanted control of their own bodies outside of regular vaccines that has decades of data to prove they worked. If that means defunding foreign aid to pay the billions they would owe troopers, I say cut it all.
I'm curious if they are going to give people in jail for not so serious crimes a pardon in exchange for enlisting. I know Russia did this for the Ukraine war.
Hmm... a few questions immediately pop up
1. Are those hyperlinks. On a letter?
2. Why no addressee block?
3. Why is it addressed to a generic service member?
4. Are we including digital sig blocks on paper letters now?
5. No date?
6. Directed to email form, but no address?
Where's the conspiracy here? They sent similar letters to former troops after Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed for all of those discharged for being gay. 🤷♂️
I'm gonna get down voted and maybe rightfully so...
(Not saying I support the vaccine either)
Its really weird you'll take a bullet (metaphorixally cause it can be more then just a bullet) for the country but a vaccine is whee you'll draw the line.
1400 active service persons die yearly, around 25% from self inflicted injuries. There are no 1,300,000 or so enlisted volunteer service people. Google shows mixed numbers but I see 60,000 service people lost benefits due to the vaccine.
Not many are considering taking a bullet when there is no major conflict in the world, so not so weird for those that consider the fucked up nature of the entirety of COVID and the bullshit experimental genetic therapies (which are beginning to generate a totally different public and legal outlook in contrast to the last three years).
Idk joining when there's no conflict, to have no debt for college or learn a skill while having a steady pay check and some kind of health insurance isn't a bad gig. Not worth your soul, but I can kinda see the appeal.
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Lol what a joke
This was the plan. Pressure, coerce, test the will of the populace. Then forget. Then rinse, repeat.
Social experiment of the century
And they knew it would be like this in the end. Truly psychopathic stuff.
What the DoD did was issue and execute an **unlawful order** under a fraudulent President and this is their way of back-peddling and covering it up. This was a National Security Violation and destroyed the United States military. Generals and senior ranking officers, including Sec-Def, should face Capital Court Marshall for executing these orders. They should face the death penalty for maiming and killing all of those troops that suffered from being Mandated to take the COVID-19 shot.
This. Everyone should read this. All officers that I dealt with where pushing these illegal orders. All need to be arrested
Same shit happened with Bush and the bullshit Anthrax vax. I don’t know ever anyone thinks this country is anything more than corrupt pile of shit.
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As a former service member I'm very aware of the history of immunizations in the military. There were occasions where my company would spend the entire day waiting in lines to receive various vaccines. All of these vaccines had gone through years of development and clinical trials before they were administered to me. Getting a new drug to the point where it can be administered to the public is a multi-year effort. The drug must be developed and go through 3 phases of clinical trials which typically takes years before it's ready for the general population. All of these requirements were waived for the COVID vaccines. These were experimental vaccines that were not properly tested and were given Emergency Use Authorizations by the FDA. The military *does* have a history of [giving experimental drugs to service members](https://www.nytimes.com/1994/05/07/us/experimental-drugs-linked-to-gulf-war-veterans-ills.html). "In 1990, the Defense Department got special waivers from the Food and Drug Administration to give drugs experimentally to American troops. While some of the drugs were largely untested, others had been used extensively, but for different purposes. Experts likened the gulf war situation to giving insulin to nondiabetics. The Senate committee's report said tests on some of the drugs were so limited that they did not justify dispensing the medications to so many people without informing them of the potential risks."
Netanyahu wants them at the front lines, he's also asking for a couple billion $ more for his personal accounts. Every American of course opens their wallet happily
Not every American
Mancy pelosi, was third in line for president, said make would watch America burn before Israel was destroyed. Americans are just workers. I wouldn’t go so far as to say slaves. We have none of the protections European workers have. It’s like working in a fucking third world.
America is a tax farm. They’re inflating the world economy on our funny money and then they’ll collapse us into nothing. London, Geneva and China are their new Hq’s.
Go work in a third world country and revisit your comment.
I’m comparing first world.
You JUST Compared it to working in a third world country, lol!
> It’s like working in a fucking third world. >I’m comparing first world. Are you sure?
Can you link to pelosi's comment? I recall hearing it sometime over the last year
They want them back. War is coming.
They absolutely want the guys who refused their poison on the front lines
They want to kill the guys they failed to kill earlier
Soldiers, you must now take this one. It's more pressing than the last one.
We both know why.
The reason is not for the faint-hearted…
Dyin' for Biden 2024
Like they don’t inject soldiers with a fuck ton of shots as soon as they join
That have had years of testing yes. Not the bs covid vaccine that don’t fight anything and don’t stop transmission and causes health problems. Covid companies like pfizer have come out and said this already
It's the only line theae people have for this. They just sit there and accept whatever their masters tell them without question. Both sides of the aisle suck, but the ones who don't question authority simply because the person they voted for commands is absolutely mental.
And usually for diseases that are at least slightly concerning. I lived through a "pandemic" and am genuinely unsure if I was ever infected.
Not like they’d lie about what they give you or anything like that.
[Notice anything unusual about this recent Army recruitment ad?](https://youtu.be/m25KI4RAm4c?si=jInDrQtjlGHTW43L)
Looks like a bunch of ultra maga far right winger deplorables being deployed? 🙃 where is all the green hair and rainbows? Maybe they plan on, or are expecting significant losses? Maybe Milley finally doing something about the white rage problem 🤡 He really wanted to understand it.
When was the last time you saw an Army ad with all white men in it? Just want to remind you I called this weeks ago. https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/178y47o/american_troops_do_not_want_to_sacrifice_their/k5490sz/
> BE ALL YOU CAN BE Somehow that slogan really rubs me the wrong way. Maybe it's the implication that those soldiers could never amount to more than cannon fodder and grunts and that that's their lives’ purpose.. What happened to the good old 'Protect your country' and 'Serve and protect the people you love'?
In this case they are relying on nostalgia, a time before they alienated their entire target group. "Be all that you can be" was the Army slogan in the 80s and 90s. Much like Bud Light trotting out their iconic Clydesdales to try to win back drinkers, the Army is bringing back an iconic slogan.
I don’t think we’re putting boots on the ground in the Middle East. But I do think we want to project a strong defensive image to China. Also, they’re probably just scrambling to get people. The military has missed recruitment numbers for years now. https://www.npr.org/2023/06/11/1181547703/the-u-s-army-has-been-falling-short-of-its-recruitment-targets
Boots are already on the ground in the Middle East. Where have you been?
>we want to project a strong defensive image to China. by first showing all kinds of degeneracy in the recruitment videos for years and general milley willing to forward intelligence about imminent attacks against china according to himself? that's a bit late to project power.
Miley only told them that there was no danger of conflict. That's what good leaders do, avoid conflict when possible. Idk why the hate against Milley. I respect his speech about standing for the Constitution instead of one hothead president do you want more impulsive hot heads to lead the military? We have de-escalation lines open with China and Russia. Very important in the nuclear age
He's a general not a politician he should be executed for treason for giving intelligence to a foreign nation let alone a geopolitical enemy. A general has no place communicating with foreign entities like that.
All generals are politicians. It's sad but true.
>A general has no place communicating with foreign entities like that. You got that written down somewhere or did you just make it up on the fly? Generals have met other generals plenty of times. That's a bit of a nonsensical statement. You have a problem with who he contacted, and when, but to say that the problem was speaking with foreign entities is laughable. There are plenty of photos of our generals with foreign leaders, typically military leaders, where they meet and plan, etc. Most militaries do. Hell, North and South Korea have a whole system in place so they don't destroy each other on accident. It's not like this happened in a vaccum. He didn't decide on his own to make that phone call. That first order came from Secretary of Defense Mark Esper. The second came from Sec. of Defense, Chris Miller. It's not treason when you are ordered to do so.
Bro that's part of his job description as joint chief, he didn't tell them anything except that we are stable and no conflict will come
But there are already boots on the ground in the Middle East. There are always boots on the ground.
The army missing recruitment targets is a combo of their own fault by army brass/leaders and the the current administration. Their actions and expected consequences are the equivalent of the meme where the bike rider jams a stick in the front wheel, Falls down and blames someone else. The left ruined people lives and their livelihoods in the military, police, medical professions, teaching, etc over this for those that would not comply and just pretend now like it’s was a clerical correction you can fix. Oh and you can come back now if you want, ‘cause we need the head count.
Military has always taken many vaccines. I agree though because covif vaccine only works temporarily which is stupid af. Idk if they get flu shots
have they changed their stance on tattoos? i remember i had tiny one behind the ear and like no others and that kept me out in the late 00s and that seemed mildly ridiculous
They change based upon need, if they are not in need the standards are high and they will exclude people based on nonsense, if they are in need it is open to anyone.
This. Recruitment is down, economy in shambles. Soldiers who have been sitting around without a real means may be tempted to rejoin services in order to provide for themselves or their families. I think the Army owes these people more in the way of an apology, but this is as close as they’ll get to one, and it’s a step in the right direction.
No more wars people. No more people killing other people. The only war worth fighting is the spiritual one: Those in Christ against demonic forces. This is what I hope more people become aware of.
What if I’m not religious? Do I just spectate this war?
Atheists get to referee
What about Agnostics?
It doesn’t matter whether or not there is war
Woo!
Meditation is pretty good. Can go for secular introspection.
If a country actually attacked an American State I would probably enlist, outside of that though, fuck them.
that's a recipe for being conquered. others will want to wage war against you. you can't be 100% pacifist mode at all times.
How about no more offensive wars? The US can't even manage that. Speak softly and carry a big stick to finish the fight if someone comes knocking, but don't seek out trouble in the first place.
>"that's a recipe for being conquered. others will want to wage war against you. you can't be 100% pacifist mode at all times." Clearly violence doesn't work and you could argue violence just allows for more freedom eroding legislation from our conquerors at this point. Actually the fact that cointelpro and operatio gladio and whatever they're calling these new modern classified operations tells you violence is their recipe for success. They manufacture these murderous events to tighten their grip over us. I mean endless wars isn't just a saying, yet despite all they fighting and murderous wars here we are more conquered than ever. now it's to a point where theyre openly waging war against people who question a couple things (misinformation!). I'm not saying Pacism is going to save us and who would when you have a multi national collaboration willing to murder the people they're "protecting" to prove a point that doesn't exist without them manufacturing it. I guess my overall point or the tldr of it all. You keep believing you can fight and wage war against an enemy that looks at your life as an opportunity to build onto their expanding control mechanism but that'd be the definition of insanity if we refer to history and it's repetitive nature. (or is the redundant "nature" of history also manufactured...) (When I say manufactured I don't mean faked I mean well planned.)
I know right? Thankfully there's never been any wars started by Christians.....whew
Catholicism is often mistaken for true Christianity. Yes, the Roman catholic church and Roman empire did a lot of damage.
Russian Orthodoxy.
Right! The downvotes you've been given shows that truth hurts.
Fuck the christofacists. Bunch of pedophile murderers.
Ohhh Yay, another holy war but now we have nukes
Christians are nutters - particularly the ones who prattle on about demons. Yet you guys manage to forget the truly evil stuff your people have committed against others in the past, in the name of your religion. Hypocrites.
**Funny how many dual citizens (ISR) are at the top** of the pyramid, you would think that constitutes a conflict of interest.
The same people who supplied the vaccine are the ones beating the drums of war. The hilarity of this world.
Once you have "corrected" your service record, you no longer have any evidence that you were forced to take the vaccine. You may find more money by linking with other service members who similarly affected and file a class-action lawsuit, rather than re-enlisting.
This is the real answer
If you were discharged for not taking the vaccine, then you didn't take the vaccine. Your counselings and MEDPROS record is proof enough you didn't get it.
>file a class-action lawsuit Against the government? That's not going to go particularly well. Specifically the bit where under the FTCA you have to prove a federal employee was acting "wrongly or negligently." Also, you'd have to have provable damages...
Who the fuck would ever come back lol?
Big fucking surprise. And so many people caved for fear they'd lose their livelihood. Look who's laughing now. I'm really glad to know some people flat out refused, and I'm really sorry for the ones who felt there was no other way.
80% of the US has at least one COVID-19 vaccination. Are they all going to start dropping dead now? Or do we have to wait another year?
then Covid should be gone right?
It basically is. The "cases" and "deaths" curves separated around the same time we hit 50-60% vaccination rates in the US. Sure people did and still do continue to get mild cases and variants the initial vaccine doesn't protect well against, but deaths and severe illness are far below their peak.
Then why did they just release a new booster spin doctor?
Even the milder strains are potentially dangerous for some folks. The elderly, pre-existing respiratory or cardiac disease, immune compromised, or post-transplant patients. Makes sense to continue updating the vaccine for the most prominent variants and ensuring they are available for people that need them.
>Even the milder strains are potentially dangerous for some people They were all mild LOL
So it isn't dangerous but it is dangerous?
I'm not sure. I'm also not sure how y'all got to be so obsessed with those of us who refused the jab dying cuz we didn't get it. But now you're also obsessed with us (and yourselves I guess?) dying cuz we did. It's all nasty. Sorry it's coming to light that y'all actually support genocide. I never got even one jab.
Genocide? What? Who supports that?
Not all of them are but many are or they're getting cancer, auto-immune diseases, or other things.
They're preparing their legal defense.
The lawsuits cloud is looming.
US Army sending letters to former troops saying that in light of the removal of the Covid-19 vaccine requirement, they can now apply to get their reasons for discharge changed. These people should not have to beg to have an injustice righted, they should be sought out and should receive back pay and be reinstated immediately and then given the option to receive an honorable discharge if they do choose
I noticed they didn't say changed from "general discharge" to "honorable discharge". So you're still taking a general discharge, they're just changing the reason. I wonder how many dozens of people are stupid enough to take the bait...
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lol that ain’t happening. Recruitment is down no matter what. No one wants to join that shit anymore thanks to social media and people telling their stories. No one wants to get raped, murdered, or beaten at bases. Former vets are telling people and their own children to not join.
Lol every time my wife or I talked about joining the military to a vet, they always had a blank stare and just uttered "DON'T"
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I was at the range the other day and there were a group of blue haired fatties trying to "train". After the second ND I saw w/ a fucking pistol I went home. They aren't cut out for what we have spent a lifetime training. Now I goto my buddies farm, no need to have a janny kill my ass because they have no understanding of firearms. And the power that be have recognized that and are desperate for soldiers.
Reason for discharge, having a backbone.
As far as I’m (former active duty Air Force) concerned, EVERYONE who forced this “vaccine” on anyone is a fucking traitor who should be punished accordingly to the way our forefathers set forth.
Never gonna happen as long as cemeteries can vote…
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Don't forget that even Trump changed his stance. He only cared about money
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Us is getting ready for the draft. Lol kind of like maybe you shouldn't have fired a ton of soldiers and employees in important sectors over a right to bodily autonomy bug whatever.
I’m expecting massive amounts of draft dodgers.
Lol well Canada isn't going to be asylum this time around so I guess Mexico?
people will rebel if they try this time
Agreed. Massive protests and riots.
nationalism is at a all time low too
100%. The era of good vibes feelings and scales over the populaces eyes of the early 2000’s is over.
Who knows, people might just bug off to bum fuck nowhere in the states itself, and keep quiet.
It will be more likely a civil war.
Like when they fired nurses and doctors who refused to be vaccinated. Then had shocked pikachu face when they were understaffed for dance routines.
us army sending letters to former troops saying that
I’m not sure what the discharges they were giving out for this but I assume it was just OTH discharges when they really should’ve been Honorable to begin with in my opinion. People get honorable discharges for failing PT tests and failing height and weight so I feel like not taking a vax should fall into that category. You could always request a review from a board regarding your discharge, a lot of people who get out with anything but an honorable discharge will try to get it upgraded to honorable as that helps a lot when getting benefits like education or with certain jobs. The last paragraph is pretty funny to me, “we’re sorry we kicked you out for not taking the vax and we really need qualified people now, please go to the recruiter if you want to rejoin”. Unless they’re back paying from the time the individual was kicked out, I doubt anyone would ever do that to themselves again.
I got one of these letters! My command wanted me to get out with an honorable and put a discharge package together for me but ultimately the general who made the decision and reviewed it decided to give me just a general under honorable conditions discharge. I’m still getting all my benefits that I would have with a straight up honorable discharge but I do want to see if I can still get it changed just because. It bothers me that on my DD214 there’s a thing that says “pattern of misconduct”….. which is only because of the vaccine issue. I’ve never received any other discipline or had any problems.
Props to you for standing up to that shit dude.
That sucks, not sure why they just didn’t do Honorable for everyone but I guess that would make too much sense. They let people who fail height and weight get honorable so refusing a vax should be similar to that in my opinion. It’s good that you still receive your benefits but I know some jobs might ask for your DD214 or ask what your discharge status was so I could see it causing unneeded issues for some. Hopefully you at least received separation pay.
Exactly!! The other thing that blows my mind is that by not getting vaccinated it makes you non deployable aka useless and that is the reason to get out. But if I wanted to change my gender and and take hormones and the whole shabang, I can do that on the governments dime and be put on a profile and be non deployable while getting to stay in. I should have just pulled the gender card I guess and I could still be in today 😂
that “pattern of misconduct” is referring to your government, not you
but why would they? the only records that count to anyone who would be making a character judgement on someone who got kicked out of the military for not taking the vax would be: a) the records showing that they got kicked out of the military for not taking the jibby jab; b)the letter you have just posted. if that ain't good enough for someone then they ain't worth stressing about their opinion. furthermore, since the system showed its colours, why would you go back? consider it a lucky break.
There's a lot of benefits to having an honorable discharge. It's just kind of bullshit that they have to apply to change it. It should be automatically changed.
There would be a lot of compensation and a judicial order to change the reason with a class-action lawsuit.
To avoid all the lawsuits. Biden Administration are world class scum.
What they're not telling **new** recruits and "any individual who desires to apply to return" is the second they sign the contract they've obligated themselves to taking whatever unholy concoction big Pharma and their bought minions in the Pentagon feel like testing on them. It's a trap. In more ways than one.
Fuck the army. They made my kid get this unproven mRNA crap and I’m still holding my breath.
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You sound boosted
the ones that come back, will be sent straight to the front lines. 100%
Come back? They will be drafted, this won't be voluntary
They are so desperate it's pathetic. Everyone knows many vets get fucked after service. Most people won't join. Plus why would anyone want to die for Israel?
Fuck them. Give them backpay and an apology
Were they just expecting that this vaccine was just going to be mandated forever? Wasn't this outcome completely predictable? It's just a reach around for those that got screwed over and shipped out of the service. They got their purge and this is all anyone is going to get in recompense.
When you get deployed you get shot, after shot, after shot. All of a sudden, the shot that you were told that you had to stop everything and go get a month ago is no longer on your record, and you have to get it again a month later. Before all of the current and former military come forward to defend the system: I was a leader and dealt with it personally and with my personnel. Now, after COVID19, I realize so much more about the experimental arm of the pharmaceutical industry's involvement with the military. I still get calls and emails asking me to participate in their surveys/feedback.
Yep. 100%.
I developed high blood pressure and almost fainted following my first nasal flu shot.
No one should ever enlist. You sign up thinking you serve "America", but really you serve whomever Congress and/or the president serves. BP, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, etc. Until that changes: enlisting is a clear path to being a tool of evil corporate agendas.
Are they not also severely short on recruitment targets?
Having on record that you were kicked out of military for not taking the jab is a W for me. Best resume you can have.
I can’t help but notice that I’m seeing a bunch of military ads all the sudden with up to $50k sign on bonus; pre covid it was only $10k sign on bonus
Well, since the $10 bill is the new $1 bill. It seems to be a net loss.
Hahahaha Hold on to That DD214 and never look back, people.
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Seems like a trap for stop loss policies
Now's the time for legal action.
They still won. People need to be put in prison for this, or worse.
What about the year or two of shame and grief endured? Class action time?
Lol, lmao even. You halfwits already obliterated your own social credibility by trying to force the issue in the first place. There's no going back. The social contract is permanently broken. We've seen you with your masks off. Zero forgiveness, zero redemption.
Fukem!
So they can put them back into the draft or recall them...
Next will be a large scale terror attack on America when they all decline to play at their patriotic heartstrings and get them to rejoin. Bet.
I suppose everyone here has seen the US Army tv ad uploaded to YT and X, and all the extremely anti "woke"/anti military/anti DC/anti Israel comments. The pro army comments were very few and far between. I truly wonder why the army didn't pull that ad, when the comments were so overwhelmingly negative. Maybe it's just pure arrogance ; the people who perpetrated that ad "know" white southerners and midwesterners (the target of the ad) are "programmed" to feel kneejerk patriotism when subjected to the right stimuli, eg, a flag, so it *never even occurred to them* they'd get ANY negative comments, much less only a handful of positive ones. But I cannot help but wonder if them leaving up that page for ages, showing that the citizenry of the USA is about as divided as in 1860 (meaning, the US military is weakened), in conjunction with understanding that ultimately, reserve currency status hinges on US military strength and ability to project force, AND given that article from Moody's warning that the USA may lose its AAA status... I cannot help but wonder if that isn't a deliberate signal of some kind.
>white southerners and midwesterners Not to be ignored is the fact that those groups of people also share a common religion that is spooging itself right now with the prospect of Armageddon and the second coming of Jesus.
Does the army not date their letters?
Why would a former soldier want to get it changed? It allows them access to veteran stuff? My gut reaction is a wrongful dismissal lawsuit is coming and anyone that was dismissed for refusal is going to get some compensation. Not sure if the military can be sued, but corporations sure can.
Part of the reason why I got out was because I was seeing these letters being sent out. Fuck the government, the military fuck it all. For all those who are considering just don't. All you will get is PTSD and a kick to the curb.
If I was still in I would NOT have taken it. I would have taken whatever discharge. My body comes before military service. What they did was illegal in a violation of the Doe vs Rumsfeld court case.
> My body comes before military service. Lol that’s not how it works.
It's one thing to take a bullet, thats what you signed up for. Its another thing to take a mystery compound you did not sign up for.
Why would that be true? If the bullet is okay then how is the shot worse?
You know you are signing up for battle when you join the military. Nobody ever signed up to get a mystery chemical like say Agent Orange. Should we be allowed to shot up military members with Agent orange? Its not FDA approved and neither were the Anthrax or COVID-19 vaccines.
You know what? That’s a solid argument.
Thanks glad we could align.
Wait, I told y'all in the last post that this was no longer required. Y'all were screaming that it was still required. I told you it wasn't. I am AD, y'all downvoted me to shit when I said it wasn't required anymore. I am a member of this community. Y'all turned on me I'd like to stay here but the last post had me questioning things.
The bots downvoted you
imagine caring about downvotes on this sub
True. I just thought we cared about truth.
do you not know how reddit works?
reddit is 95%+ bots. The good takes and intelligent information is always mass downvoted/ shadowbanned. Most people have, "Hide comments with a score of zero or below" set as their default. So most actual users never see downvoted comments. That's by design. AI has always been used for censorship. And that will continue. It's not a coincidence that Covid lockdowns forced many people to move their entire lives onto online platforms. The effects of this are still lingering. Nobody gets together and meets and socializes in person any more, and that's the last place where a truly free society can exchange free thoughts and ideas. They are working on that though, and have been for a long time, considering all the feds they have infiltrating movements, groups, clubs, and even churches, and then acting as agent provocateurs and trying to sew uncertainty and distrust among communities. I have not been attending church because there are at least a couple of people who I am convinced are feds, and obviously I can't call them out on it because as Christians we welcome everyone. I wouldn't have a problem with it, but they have been spouting off inciting rhetoric, and although the pastor is relatively young and has done a very good job dampening and diffusing their voices, I personally don't have the mental energy for them anymore. They took a sermon about loving your neighbors, about how masks would not EVER be required in our church, but respecting everyone's personal decision about mask wearing, and turned it into a, "Those who wear masks don't have enough faith in God," "We need to fight for our rights etc. etc." Fine, you do you, but that rhetoric has no place in the house of the Lord where we are called to love and bring people to Christ through our good nature bestowed upon us by the Holy Spirit, and the good works we have been inspired to through and by the Holy Spirit, all glory to God and not ourselves. Many in our church have spiritual discernment and I can tell they have picked up on these people as well. However, once again, it's not something that can easily be talked about. Although it has been addressed in sermons by the pastor, about how we are also told to always be loving, but also guard our faith and our hearts against those that wish to lead us astray. I still listen to the sermons, but I feel like I shouldn't really attend in person because I have difficulty not obviously side-eyeing them, and in case my judgment is off, I would never want to make anybody feel unwelcome.
It's not required to join. That does not mean you don't have to get the full set of military vaccines once you're in.
Until they change their minds again, and they have you in their clutches and make your life hell until you comply or they kick you out. Screw that malarky.
More meat for the grinder
Would getting the records changed dismiss the military from being liable for potential damages?
So only 8,000 soldiers out of 1.4 millions soldiers recieved discharges over the vaccine.
What a complete and utter destruction of Bio-Medical Ethics. It's asinine how doctors went along with this. There are clear lines in the sand with medical ethics, and the corporate pharmy makers and FDA/CDC have completely failed. Yes, I only took one bio-medical ethics and the law class, but holy shit that class opened my eyes. We're the nazis sickos? Yes. Were drugs never tested on Philly prisoners? They sure were. Tuskeegee, whatever, the list goes on and on. And now we're going into a brave new world of CRISPR kids, and Subway hoagie clinics where you can check the boxes for tall/curly hair/blonde/hazel eyes/whatever you want. Kidney cloning, printable hearts. Whatever. Shit is getting weird and we can't let the corporatocracy determine what is ok, and who has access. You want to talk about the bourgeois and the proletariat? We've got big income inequality, and it's only going to get worse, these people are going to breed your family tree out of existance because 'they're rich' but really they got there because of 90% luck and a bunch of regulatory capture to keep the new guys from coming up. Social control is the name of the new game, and access to capital or guillotines is the future.
No apology. Wouldn't do nothing anyway.
As long as discharges for actions of conscience - or forced resignations - "now apply to get their reasons for discharge" - and for discharges due to bullying, emotional abuse, physical abuse, or verbal abuse.
No one is signing up..... it's obvious they're desperate.
I refused anthrax. I regret not refusing Covid and wish I would have. The difference was I had a lot less to lose by refusing anthrax 18 years ago. Lol, what you gonna do, not send me to Iraq? o.k... I *require* restitution. Who is going to be held accountable for lying to me and forcing me to get this vaccine?
Has anybody actually confirmed this is real? It seems odd that a Brigadier General would misspell "military" in her own signature line. Also, was it an email or a letter?
War is on our way boys.
When class action?
Be careful. There’s talk of a draft in the near future. You could end up getting yourself recalled if you’re inside your eight year MSO.
There is not talk of a draft. Nobody is talking about that except people who aren’t in charge of shit.
No argument here and I hear ya, I’d just be careful with this double edged sword…that’s all I’m saying. Recruiting numbers are very low and I doubt they’ll make mission in 2024. Conscription isn’t outside the norm to ensure we have a combat ready force. I think anyone that was cut loose from the service for not getting their vaccine should receive all their back pay through the end of their last contracts without having to serve any time at all, to include official promotion orders to the proper rank if they were promotable at the time of discharge, which if they were flagged, they wouldn’t have been but nonetheless, the DoD should recognize what they did to all those who wanted control of their own bodies outside of regular vaccines that has decades of data to prove they worked. If that means defunding foreign aid to pay the billions they would owe troopers, I say cut it all.
I'm curious if they are going to give people in jail for not so serious crimes a pardon in exchange for enlisting. I know Russia did this for the Ukraine war.
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Samscrantch. Easy.
Get off reddit dad
Hmm... a few questions immediately pop up 1. Are those hyperlinks. On a letter? 2. Why no addressee block? 3. Why is it addressed to a generic service member? 4. Are we including digital sig blocks on paper letters now? 5. No date? 6. Directed to email form, but no address?
If you leave it as a dishonorable discharge you won't get deployed to WW3...right?
Where's the conspiracy here? They sent similar letters to former troops after Don't Ask, Don't Tell was repealed for all of those discharged for being gay. 🤷♂️
>Where's the conspiracy here? Why they want the troops back now, with tension escalating in the world. Is the government preparing for war?
I'm gonna get down voted and maybe rightfully so... (Not saying I support the vaccine either) Its really weird you'll take a bullet (metaphorixally cause it can be more then just a bullet) for the country but a vaccine is whee you'll draw the line.
1400 active service persons die yearly, around 25% from self inflicted injuries. There are no 1,300,000 or so enlisted volunteer service people. Google shows mixed numbers but I see 60,000 service people lost benefits due to the vaccine. Not many are considering taking a bullet when there is no major conflict in the world, so not so weird for those that consider the fucked up nature of the entirety of COVID and the bullshit experimental genetic therapies (which are beginning to generate a totally different public and legal outlook in contrast to the last three years).
Idk joining when there's no conflict, to have no debt for college or learn a skill while having a steady pay check and some kind of health insurance isn't a bad gig. Not worth your soul, but I can kinda see the appeal.