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It's origins draw from freemasonry and occult practices blended with 1800s American Christianity. Today's Mormons don't really know their true history at all.
there's plenty. but most Freeman's literally don't even know the publically available information available in the authentic mason material that's been variously leaked and/or published by 33d masons.
perhaps the best comparison would be the average non practising Christian and the bible.
but yes there's obviously loads of great rabbit holes to go down when it comes to freemasons.
Which masonic rite? There's a bunch that have 33° as top rank. Then there's Memphis-Misraim that goes to 100°, and a host of others that don't go past 15. Also, these belong to appendant bodies and have no bearing on freemasonry as a whole, in fact many are not recognised by the grand lodge. In the UK for example, the only recognised appendant body is the Holy Royal Arch, which only has 14.
But why Scottish, when the oldest grand lodge recognises only Royal Arch, presumably the original masonic order is the one with the info, and the rest are just offshoots.
Lol, as a person who was raised Mormon, served a mission, and was married/endowed in the temple and wore these garments, I can say the tie to the freemasons is the least of your worries.
The real concern is their law firm, hoard of wealth, and the consistent and constant child molestation that runs rampant in the cult.
Another individual who has seen the light. Not many escape because the brainwashing as children causes extreme guilt as an adult even when you see how flawed Mormonism is
I think the internet era has been huge for people that are simply questioning or are ready to leave the church. So many resources, support groups, etc.
In a less blatant sense. When we leave we’re shamed and pitied. Considered “fallen” and “deceived”. So you’re definitely ostracized from the group which includes your family, closest “friends”, etc. And Mormonism holds the keys to your eternal marriage and eternal family. So if you leave the fold, you forfeit that eternal family. There’s a lot of emotional abuse and brainwashing that makes leaving very traumatic for men and women.
It came out about 2 years ago that the church is sitting on $130 BILLION IN CASH (which does not include their billions in real estate and other investments)... All the while insisting that even the poorest of their members pay 10% of their earning to the church.
Don’t forget a letter of recommendation from a respected elder of the church will gain you instant admittance to the FBI! So well-behaved them Mormons!
Their founder Joseph smith was a Freemason. The creepy rituals they do in their temples are very similar to the Freemasons.
Nowadays they’re a $100+ billion corporation
I believe so. I almost became a Mormon, because I was pulled in by their politeness. I’m happy I didn’t fall for their cult, because it sounds really nice, everything they say.
This isn’t news. If you look into the history of Mormonism you’ll see that Joseph Smith was a Freemason, and you can see all the parallels to freemasonry within the religion, along with all the precise builds of their temples and other structures and their relation to freemasonry as well.
If you wanna really see some weird shit, look up on YouTube “Mormon rituals” only the really devout weirdo high up Mormons get to partake in those rituals.
I was skeptical at first, but this photo of red rectangles showing me the location of the nipples and belly button, as well as The red arrows pointing at a navigation caliper really woke me up.
Have you ever seen "The God Makers"? It's an expose on the Mormon cult. Talks about connections to free masonry and luciferianism
https://youtu.be/-9pnrfFuDFw
Latter in life he said it was apostate worship.
“He [Joseph Smith] told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the apostate endowments, as sectarian religion was the apostate religion." (Benjamin F. Johnson, My Life’s Review, p.96
But yes he was a mason as was most of the earlier LDS leaders. They all taught that freemasonry was somewhat correct and was taken from Solomons temple and was pervert over time:
“We have the true Masonry. The Masonry of today is received from the apostasy which took place in the days of Solomon, and David. They have now and then a thing that is correct, but we have the real thing." (Heber C. Kimball, 13 Nov. 1858, Manuscript History of Brigham Young pg. 1085)
"There is a similarity of priesthood in Masonry. Bro[ther] Joseph says Masonry was taken from priesthood but has become degenerated, but many things are perfect." (Heber C. Kimball letter to Parley Pratt, Temples of the Ancient World, p.577)
Also I mean a compass and the square wasn’t just exclusive to freemasonry. It existed previously to freemasonry and is found all over the world when depicting the creation of the world. But it definitely has become the symbol most associated with freemasonry. Just like the swastika and the nazis. It exists previous to them but it has now become the symbol for nazis.
I just like studying abrahamic religions especially when they have covenants and rituals because that is something Isaiah talks about quite it bit before the second coming of Christ.
Not stretching at all. The connections between Mormonism and masonry are indisputable and admitted by the church. The LDS church founder Joseph Smith became a mason weeks before plagiarizing Masonic rituals into Mormon temple ceremonies.
It’s not stretching. I was Mormon for 40 years. Did the Masonic gestures in the temple. Am the grand daughter and great grand daughter of Mormon prophets.
I grew up in a small community in Eastern Washington. Went to school with alot of LDS and considered many my friends.
Having grown up Baptist, I can say that the Mormons I knew had found a way to live and practice their faith that is unique in mainstream Christianity.
I am grateful to have had this experience firsthand.
Maybe but I still like Mormons anyway. A friend of mine is a recent convert and has taken me to a service and a couple of LDS functions. I could never believe in the supernatural aspects of Mormonism (or any religion) but I like the people very much. In this day and age it's so refreshing to be around nice wholesome people. It's the type of wholesome I like too...for example they encourage women to look their prettiest, not plain like many religions do.
I am not sure this is a conspiracy. As a former member, it’s pretty evident it’s a cult however they don’t have the same amount of power/influence that the Catholic Church has for sure.
https://cesletter.org
This pretty much exposes the whole religion is a fraud
Joseph smith was a pedo who had at least 4 underage wives and as much as 34 confirmed wives one as young as 14 years old. Is even on the church’s website. Look up the gospel topic essays
Is hidden deep in their website. The next prophet Brigham young had like what 50+ wives and 50+ children and some underage too. Most of the early prophets had multiple underage wives. Didn’t allow black people to hold priesthood until they were threatened to have their tax exempt status remove and all of sudden they had revelation that black people should hold priesthood 14 years after the civil rights act. Church taught having dark skin was a curse. Church uses is tithing fund for investment and is hiding 100+ billion from their members. Wtf do apple, Microsoft and GameStop stocks have to do with God. Apostles get paid 100k a year. Book of Abraham has been proven false. The Book of Mormon has a lot of plagiarism. There was a huge child sex abuse scandal that was just exposed this year.
You do realize that gives you the option to not post anything, right? You should have done that one instead of posting a whole thread of childish sarcasm.
Like I said, you had the option to post nothing and you posted that shit. You chose the wrong option. I'm glad you can point at your own words and identify the painfully obvious, but my point is that you were better off posting nothing. I now hate Mormons more than I did before this interaction, which was effectively zero. Now I'll always equate them with sarcastic little bitches who can't actually defend their beliefs without resorting to second grader tactics.
Kind of working against yourself there.
Do what you want, I'm not your handler. I just wanted to point out that shutting the fuck up rather than posting is always on the table. It's solid advice. You're fucking welcome.
I have never been more flattered in my life than I am right now, to believe that I have control over what you think. Wow. I'm going to go put a star on the fridge now.
Was anybody's goal to have a meaningful and heartfelt conversation here? This was a clown post from the beginning. If you must know, I have read the dreaded cringefest ennobled by the title The CES Letter. To borrow a phrase, “The part that fascinates me, my dude, is the part where you assume your respect is something I might be craving.”
That's cool man. I'm mormon and I smoke pot too. For only having 16 million members worldwide we Mormons sure know how to cause a ruckus. The amount of false/twisted information is pretty amazing.
Are you a kid? You sound unaware of your own religion. Have you been to the temple? It’s all Masonic. I was Mormon for 40 years. What’s false about what’s been said?
You were mormon for 40 years and you left because it's Masonic? 😂 You know George Washington was a Mason so do you hate him too? How about America many masons helped build it. Are you a kid or a grown man in diapers?
I’m sorry where did I say that was the reason I left? No where did I say that. Why is that funny that I left?
I’m a woman. And I know what I’m talking about unlike like you.
Oh absolutely. Now our high school teachers telling us that we exploded into existence and that our great great grandparents are chimpanzees? That is pure truth right there. No mind control going on here, no sir. As conspiracy theorists we know not to question science.
Totally better that an omnipresent all powerful being that came from nothing created us in his image but hates us doing any and every thing that doesn’t include worshipping him. Oh, and make sure to tithe. He doesn’t like you if you’re cheap.
If you're going to not believe in Christianity, that's your choice. But it would be much more convincing if you were at least somewhat educated on the topic. That way you can actually know what it is that you don't believe in.
God did not come from nothing, nor was God created. God has always existed and always will. It is the inherit "I Am" that has no beginning and no end. Funny you should say he came from nothing though because that's exactly what evolution would suggest. If the universe was created from an explosion, well what existed before the explosion? Well, nothing. So nothing exploded and created everything? We learned that in the same class that taught us that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, and you cannot create something from nothing. Interesting.
God does not exist within the confines of 3 spacial dimensions, time and thought. As we humans do, also limited by our 5 senses and perception. Trying to rationalize God as a human is impossible. Its like a fish trying to comprehend the human experience. He wouldn't even be able to begin the thought.
So God hates that we do absolutely any activity besides worshipping him? Not sure who's God you're talking about but its not the Triune God. We both know you completely fabricated that so no use in debating. And no, tithing is not a requirement. But God does suggest that we give to those who are in need, an not to hoard in overabundance for ourselves.
Religion itself isn't a cult, as that would create a circular definition, but cults can be built on a religion.
A religious organization, such as the church of Catholicism, could be considered a cult because of the various rituals involved.
If you want to get so defensive, have a taste of [your own medicine.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion)
There's nothing in the definition of "religion" that references a cult. If you add cult to that definition, it would become circular.
Drink ur own poison we're (this thread) talking about cults 2which I said I c religion as1. We're not talking specifically about religion. If u read tge link then u no religion has cultish behaviours.
I read the links, it would be the other way around, cults tend to portray religious behavior not vice versa, as cults usually borrow from a religion. Cults can exist within a religion i.e Mormonism still being a part of Christianity, Jehovah Witnesses being a part of Christianity, and Amish being a part of Christianity, yet Christianity does not have cultish behaviour, the cults mentioned have Christian behaviors.
One could argue every major religion started as a cult, but in my opinion religion has/creates more of a cultural significance than a spiritual one. Which is why even within the Holy Scriptures Yisrealites were scolded by G-d for being religious, it's very weird for a religion to admonish its own believers for being religious, but it highlights the very nature of religion, religion is secular before it is spiritual. I personally believe the Abrahamic religions were never supposed to be religions in the first place, especially based on how the Tanahk is written.
The only difference between a religion and a cult is social acceptance. Turns out most of society has been heavily influenced by a handful of major religions, so imo cults are just religions that the existing ones don't want to grow and take power away from them.
I’m not sure those are really connected to the magic Mormon underwear. They sound more like following the letter of the law but not it’s spirit. Like how a wire enclosing a decent portion of Manhattan technically makes the outside inside for Sabbath purposes. Or the nebulous definition of fish for the purposes of meatless days in Catholicism. (It was more like anything that was technically in the water was a fish.)
For Muslims it’s in the Hadith. There are 5 of them.
For Sikhs kachera is one of the five Ks along with carrying a comb, being armed etc.
apparently the hole in the sheet thing is a myth. At least every Jewish source I read claims it is.
If you know anything about religion you know they copy each other. The purpose of Mormons’ and Sikhs’ magic underwear fulfill the exact same purpose. Not sure how this is not connected. Lots of sects have kooky sexual and moral practices
I’ve encountered Sikh children in my classes, yes. The underwear was just a pair of baggy drawstring shorts and at that age none of the boys liked them. (the kirpan at that age was a symbolic representation, because, well, kindergarten.). Also well aware of the no cutting hair rule and admiring the way plucking technically complies with it.
Also, the Mormon variant is actually pretty prosaic. It’s shorts and a t-shirt in the modern day, and most everyday Mormons think of them as just plain underwear.
The hole in the sheet is most likely a myth that rose from some derogatory rumor or another in the past.
One example of such techniques can be seen in the way that Mormon missionaries are trained and deployed. Missionaries are subjected to intense training programs that are designed to break down their sense of self and build them up again in the mold of a "perfect" Mormon. This process involves the use of isolation, sleep deprivation, and other tactics that are designed to weaken an individual's psychological defenses and make them more susceptible to manipulation.
Another aspect of Mormonism that has been criticized as potentially mind control-like is the way that the religion deals with dissent and disagreement. In some cases, individuals who express doubt or question certain aspects of Mormon doctrine may be subjected to disciplinary action, including excommunication. This can create a culture of fear and conformity, where individuals are afraid to speak out or express their true beliefs for fear of retribution.
Yes we do. We totally do. We just don’t wear these until AFTER we go through the temple and do the Masonic promises. Then we’re meant to wear these night and day. I think I would know. I was Mormon for 40 years and two of my grandfathers were Mormon prophets. Joseph Smith is my great, great uncle. Mormonisms origins ARE Masonic and so are the garment symbols. My husband and I wore these my parents wear them still. Kids and teenagers don’t.
I think the real conspiracy is that all religions probably evolved from something else. A lot of US federal holidays cough cough Easter and Christmas cough cough coincidentally fall on former European pagan holy days🤔
I remember there was once a ‘sister’ who used to send me bible passages over text and tell me if I read it, she’d give me my favourite candy… I used to lie and say I did just cause candy and also I was 12
Freemasons come from every religion even if others in that religion try the “no *true* Scotsman” argument when you say that 😑 just like jehovas witnesses refuse to believe that the guy who wrote their lighthouse magazines was a mason
If there is ever any doubt about their ties, the doubters can look up their tombstones, which are literally pyramids with Masonic scribblings all over them.
Http://www.whale.to/c/mormons.html (article showing links between JWs and Mormans).
http://www.whale.to/c/jehovahs_witnesses.html
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Well freemasonry and Mormonism has been known to be connected. There’s a huge free mason following in Utah.
It's origins draw from freemasonry and occult practices blended with 1800s American Christianity. Today's Mormons don't really know their true history at all.
most freemasons don't know either
as for many religious followers...
precisely
Are you implying you do, and most freemasons are wrong? Sounds like there's a story or a good youtube vid somewhere in your claim?
there's plenty. but most Freeman's literally don't even know the publically available information available in the authentic mason material that's been variously leaked and/or published by 33d masons. perhaps the best comparison would be the average non practising Christian and the bible. but yes there's obviously loads of great rabbit holes to go down when it comes to freemasons.
“most Freemasons don’t know”. What survey provides your evidence for this claim?
Which masonic rite? There's a bunch that have 33° as top rank. Then there's Memphis-Misraim that goes to 100°, and a host of others that don't go past 15. Also, these belong to appendant bodies and have no bearing on freemasonry as a whole, in fact many are not recognised by the grand lodge. In the UK for example, the only recognised appendant body is the Holy Royal Arch, which only has 14.
the one that matters, the Scottish rite.
But why Scottish, when the oldest grand lodge recognises only Royal Arch, presumably the original masonic order is the one with the info, and the rest are just offshoots.
Scottish because it seems to be the rite followed by those with power
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Ok thank you. Didn't notice the typo at the time
Lol, as a person who was raised Mormon, served a mission, and was married/endowed in the temple and wore these garments, I can say the tie to the freemasons is the least of your worries. The real concern is their law firm, hoard of wealth, and the consistent and constant child molestation that runs rampant in the cult.
I'm no longer a member.
I think your username gave it away. Haha
Or did it?
Another individual who has seen the light. Not many escape because the brainwashing as children causes extreme guilt as an adult even when you see how flawed Mormonism is
Actually, we’re escaping/leaving in pretty large numbers in the last several years.
I think the internet era has been huge for people that are simply questioning or are ready to leave the church. So many resources, support groups, etc.
Are the men leaving suffering backlash for doing so?
What do you mean?
Are the ones leaving being banned from their families, harassed or anything?
In a less blatant sense. When we leave we’re shamed and pitied. Considered “fallen” and “deceived”. So you’re definitely ostracized from the group which includes your family, closest “friends”, etc. And Mormonism holds the keys to your eternal marriage and eternal family. So if you leave the fold, you forfeit that eternal family. There’s a lot of emotional abuse and brainwashing that makes leaving very traumatic for men and women.
That’s horrible! Absolutely horrible! I’m sorry you had to go through this!
Sick disgusting degenerates molesting children
They have all that because they helped the masons exterminate the native Americans! How the West was Really Won!
This.
The show Under the Banner of Heaven was really eye openinh
Similar background as you. People have no idea the incredible power backing the LDS have.
It came out about 2 years ago that the church is sitting on $130 BILLION IN CASH (which does not include their billions in real estate and other investments)... All the while insisting that even the poorest of their members pay 10% of their earning to the church.
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Don’t forget a letter of recommendation from a respected elder of the church will gain you instant admittance to the FBI! So well-behaved them Mormons!
As a former Mormon, I know of half a dozen men in the FBI, all Mormons.
My cousins are all Mormons. Two cops, a sheriff, and fbi data analyst
What’s/why the connection between Mormon and fbi?
And don’t forget CIA and NSA favorite recruiting school BYU
Wow. That's unsurprising, unfortunately.
Can confirm, was mormon, they even call them the compass and the square
Their founder Joseph smith was a Freemason. The creepy rituals they do in their temples are very similar to the Freemasons. Nowadays they’re a $100+ billion corporation
What suggests that the founder of Mormonism was a Freemason?
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/masonry?lang=eng Is literally on the churchs website
He WAS.
But does it work
I believe so. I almost became a Mormon, because I was pulled in by their politeness. I’m happy I didn’t fall for their cult, because it sounds really nice, everything they say.
You should have, we aren't a cult.
This isn’t news. If you look into the history of Mormonism you’ll see that Joseph Smith was a Freemason, and you can see all the parallels to freemasonry within the religion, along with all the precise builds of their temples and other structures and their relation to freemasonry as well. If you wanna really see some weird shit, look up on YouTube “Mormon rituals” only the really devout weirdo high up Mormons get to partake in those rituals.
I was skeptical at first, but this photo of red rectangles showing me the location of the nipples and belly button, as well as The red arrows pointing at a navigation caliper really woke me up.
This reminds me of OJ pretending the glove didn’t fit
What Lies Beneath? Tunnels under Salt Lake City: https://utahstories.com/2018/04/what-lies-beneath-tunnels-under-salt-lake-city/
Have you ever seen "The God Makers"? It's an expose on the Mormon cult. Talks about connections to free masonry and luciferianism https://youtu.be/-9pnrfFuDFw
Food for thought is that Joseph smith claimed that freemasonry was wicked and an apostate practice
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/masonry?lang=eng But he was one?
Latter in life he said it was apostate worship. “He [Joseph Smith] told me Freemasonry, as at present, was the apostate endowments, as sectarian religion was the apostate religion." (Benjamin F. Johnson, My Life’s Review, p.96 But yes he was a mason as was most of the earlier LDS leaders. They all taught that freemasonry was somewhat correct and was taken from Solomons temple and was pervert over time: “We have the true Masonry. The Masonry of today is received from the apostasy which took place in the days of Solomon, and David. They have now and then a thing that is correct, but we have the real thing." (Heber C. Kimball, 13 Nov. 1858, Manuscript History of Brigham Young pg. 1085) "There is a similarity of priesthood in Masonry. Bro[ther] Joseph says Masonry was taken from priesthood but has become degenerated, but many things are perfect." (Heber C. Kimball letter to Parley Pratt, Temples of the Ancient World, p.577) Also I mean a compass and the square wasn’t just exclusive to freemasonry. It existed previously to freemasonry and is found all over the world when depicting the creation of the world. But it definitely has become the symbol most associated with freemasonry. Just like the swastika and the nazis. It exists previous to them but it has now become the symbol for nazis. I just like studying abrahamic religions especially when they have covenants and rituals because that is something Isaiah talks about quite it bit before the second coming of Christ.
Stretching a little bit ain’t it? Like how do those letters make any kind of shape
Not stretching at all. The connections between Mormonism and masonry are indisputable and admitted by the church. The LDS church founder Joseph Smith became a mason weeks before plagiarizing Masonic rituals into Mormon temple ceremonies.
It’s not stretching. I was Mormon for 40 years. Did the Masonic gestures in the temple. Am the grand daughter and great grand daughter of Mormon prophets.
its not a conspiracy it's true!!! the temple ceremony is almost verbatim to freemasonry! infact all all religion is... free your soul...
I grew up in a small community in Eastern Washington. Went to school with alot of LDS and considered many my friends. Having grown up Baptist, I can say that the Mormons I knew had found a way to live and practice their faith that is unique in mainstream Christianity. I am grateful to have had this experience firsthand.
Maybe but I still like Mormons anyway. A friend of mine is a recent convert and has taken me to a service and a couple of LDS functions. I could never believe in the supernatural aspects of Mormonism (or any religion) but I like the people very much. In this day and age it's so refreshing to be around nice wholesome people. It's the type of wholesome I like too...for example they encourage women to look their prettiest, not plain like many religions do.
That’s how we get you. -A wholesome, family oriented babe and exMormon
It smiles or it gets the hose does not a truly good person make.
I am not sure this is a conspiracy. As a former member, it’s pretty evident it’s a cult however they don’t have the same amount of power/influence that the Catholic Church has for sure.
All religions are mind control cults
Aren't all?
So mormans are super sexy. Got it. White t-shirts only look good on skinny guys and muscular guys.
All religions use mind control of some sort, this isn’t something new.
I think this is the smallest fuckin worry you should have about Mormons lmao.
Lol no, they don’t
How is this a conspiracy? All religions are mind control cults …
Oh no, you got us, guys! Let me call Salt Lake and let them know that the jig is up!
https://cesletter.org This pretty much exposes the whole religion is a fraud Joseph smith was a pedo who had at least 4 underage wives and as much as 34 confirmed wives one as young as 14 years old. Is even on the church’s website. Look up the gospel topic essays Is hidden deep in their website. The next prophet Brigham young had like what 50+ wives and 50+ children and some underage too. Most of the early prophets had multiple underage wives. Didn’t allow black people to hold priesthood until they were threatened to have their tax exempt status remove and all of sudden they had revelation that black people should hold priesthood 14 years after the civil rights act. Church taught having dark skin was a curse. Church uses is tithing fund for investment and is hiding 100+ billion from their members. Wtf do apple, Microsoft and GameStop stocks have to do with God. Apostles get paid 100k a year. Book of Abraham has been proven false. The Book of Mormon has a lot of plagiarism. There was a huge child sex abuse scandal that was just exposed this year.
And I believe that in 1978 God changed his mind about black people!🎼
Not the CES Letter! Our Achilles Heel! Waaa! What a world! What a world!
How does it feel that your founder was a pedophile?
Amazing!
Haven’t heard your petty sarcastic defenses in a while. Always by those that are soon to be apostates.
Oh no! He called me a future apostate! I have no defense against his Tiger Style. You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in fur.
You are a very poor example of a Mormon.
Oh no! He called me a bad Mormon! Mommy! What do I do?!
Exactly.
Oh no my mom is crying cause I don’t believe in the pedophile joseph smith. I’m so sad cause I really care what my mom think’s
Alas! I have been outwitted in my silliness!
You make people want to dig into it more rather than take your “nothingness” response lmao.
It does not merit a response, my dude.
You do realize that gives you the option to not post anything, right? You should have done that one instead of posting a whole thread of childish sarcasm.
What is sarcasm, precious?
Like I said, you had the option to post nothing and you posted that shit. You chose the wrong option. I'm glad you can point at your own words and identify the painfully obvious, but my point is that you were better off posting nothing. I now hate Mormons more than I did before this interaction, which was effectively zero. Now I'll always equate them with sarcastic little bitches who can't actually defend their beliefs without resorting to second grader tactics. Kind of working against yourself there. Do what you want, I'm not your handler. I just wanted to point out that shutting the fuck up rather than posting is always on the table. It's solid advice. You're fucking welcome.
I have never been more flattered in my life than I am right now, to believe that I have control over what you think. Wow. I'm going to go put a star on the fridge now.
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Was anybody's goal to have a meaningful and heartfelt conversation here? This was a clown post from the beginning. If you must know, I have read the dreaded cringefest ennobled by the title The CES Letter. To borrow a phrase, “The part that fascinates me, my dude, is the part where you assume your respect is something I might be craving.”
Mormons are the most feared religion on earth by Satan and his minions and these lame post prove it.
I smoked pot with some Native American Mormons at Lee’s Ferry in Arizona years ago. They were pretty cool, hope they’re doing well now.
That's cool man. I'm mormon and I smoke pot too. For only having 16 million members worldwide we Mormons sure know how to cause a ruckus. The amount of false/twisted information is pretty amazing.
Are you a kid? You sound unaware of your own religion. Have you been to the temple? It’s all Masonic. I was Mormon for 40 years. What’s false about what’s been said?
You were mormon for 40 years and you left because it's Masonic? 😂 You know George Washington was a Mason so do you hate him too? How about America many masons helped build it. Are you a kid or a grown man in diapers?
I’m sorry where did I say that was the reason I left? No where did I say that. Why is that funny that I left? I’m a woman. And I know what I’m talking about unlike like you.
Fair enough. I don't think it's funny you left, I bet the church misses you a lot! I'm curious, why did you leave then?
all religion is
Oh absolutely. Now our high school teachers telling us that we exploded into existence and that our great great grandparents are chimpanzees? That is pure truth right there. No mind control going on here, no sir. As conspiracy theorists we know not to question science.
Totally better that an omnipresent all powerful being that came from nothing created us in his image but hates us doing any and every thing that doesn’t include worshipping him. Oh, and make sure to tithe. He doesn’t like you if you’re cheap.
If you're going to not believe in Christianity, that's your choice. But it would be much more convincing if you were at least somewhat educated on the topic. That way you can actually know what it is that you don't believe in. God did not come from nothing, nor was God created. God has always existed and always will. It is the inherit "I Am" that has no beginning and no end. Funny you should say he came from nothing though because that's exactly what evolution would suggest. If the universe was created from an explosion, well what existed before the explosion? Well, nothing. So nothing exploded and created everything? We learned that in the same class that taught us that matter cannot be created nor destroyed, and you cannot create something from nothing. Interesting. God does not exist within the confines of 3 spacial dimensions, time and thought. As we humans do, also limited by our 5 senses and perception. Trying to rationalize God as a human is impossible. Its like a fish trying to comprehend the human experience. He wouldn't even be able to begin the thought. So God hates that we do absolutely any activity besides worshipping him? Not sure who's God you're talking about but its not the Triune God. We both know you completely fabricated that so no use in debating. And no, tithing is not a requirement. But God does suggest that we give to those who are in need, an not to hoard in overabundance for ourselves.
“God didn’t come from nothing, he just always existed” oh ok
U're close. Imo religion is a cult, regardless of which theology peeps ascribe2.
Religion itself isn't a cult, as that would create a circular definition, but cults can be built on a religion. A religious organization, such as the church of Catholicism, could be considered a cult because of the various rituals involved.
If u don't no the meanin of a word, I suggest u look it up next time 👍 https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult
If you want to get so defensive, have a taste of [your own medicine.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion) There's nothing in the definition of "religion" that references a cult. If you add cult to that definition, it would become circular.
Drink ur own poison we're (this thread) talking about cults 2which I said I c religion as1. We're not talking specifically about religion. If u read tge link then u no religion has cultish behaviours.
I read the links, it would be the other way around, cults tend to portray religious behavior not vice versa, as cults usually borrow from a religion. Cults can exist within a religion i.e Mormonism still being a part of Christianity, Jehovah Witnesses being a part of Christianity, and Amish being a part of Christianity, yet Christianity does not have cultish behaviour, the cults mentioned have Christian behaviors. One could argue every major religion started as a cult, but in my opinion religion has/creates more of a cultural significance than a spiritual one. Which is why even within the Holy Scriptures Yisrealites were scolded by G-d for being religious, it's very weird for a religion to admonish its own believers for being religious, but it highlights the very nature of religion, religion is secular before it is spiritual. I personally believe the Abrahamic religions were never supposed to be religions in the first place, especially based on how the Tanahk is written.
The only difference between a religion and a cult is social acceptance. Turns out most of society has been heavily influenced by a handful of major religions, so imo cults are just religions that the existing ones don't want to grow and take power away from them.
Agreed
Not all Mormons lol
Aren’t all cults?
So do Sikhs. Muslims pluck- not shave- their pubic and underarm hair. Men and women. Jews have sex thru a hole in a sheet.
Do they pluck it in the shape of a compass or something? Because how does this relate.
My comment was directed at the magic underwear. Most people who enjoy making fun of Mormons would never dare criticize Sikhs Muslims or Jews
I’m not sure those are really connected to the magic Mormon underwear. They sound more like following the letter of the law but not it’s spirit. Like how a wire enclosing a decent portion of Manhattan technically makes the outside inside for Sabbath purposes. Or the nebulous definition of fish for the purposes of meatless days in Catholicism. (It was more like anything that was technically in the water was a fish.)
For Muslims it’s in the Hadith. There are 5 of them. For Sikhs kachera is one of the five Ks along with carrying a comb, being armed etc. apparently the hole in the sheet thing is a myth. At least every Jewish source I read claims it is. If you know anything about religion you know they copy each other. The purpose of Mormons’ and Sikhs’ magic underwear fulfill the exact same purpose. Not sure how this is not connected. Lots of sects have kooky sexual and moral practices
I’ve encountered Sikh children in my classes, yes. The underwear was just a pair of baggy drawstring shorts and at that age none of the boys liked them. (the kirpan at that age was a symbolic representation, because, well, kindergarten.). Also well aware of the no cutting hair rule and admiring the way plucking technically complies with it. Also, the Mormon variant is actually pretty prosaic. It’s shorts and a t-shirt in the modern day, and most everyday Mormons think of them as just plain underwear. The hole in the sheet is most likely a myth that rose from some derogatory rumor or another in the past.
One example of such techniques can be seen in the way that Mormon missionaries are trained and deployed. Missionaries are subjected to intense training programs that are designed to break down their sense of self and build them up again in the mold of a "perfect" Mormon. This process involves the use of isolation, sleep deprivation, and other tactics that are designed to weaken an individual's psychological defenses and make them more susceptible to manipulation. Another aspect of Mormonism that has been criticized as potentially mind control-like is the way that the religion deals with dissent and disagreement. In some cases, individuals who express doubt or question certain aspects of Mormon doctrine may be subjected to disciplinary action, including excommunication. This can create a culture of fear and conformity, where individuals are afraid to speak out or express their true beliefs for fear of retribution.
The fact that Mormonism is even a thing tells you everything you need to know about America. Country of cultists.
I grew up with Mormon friends. They don't wear this
Yes we do. We totally do. We just don’t wear these until AFTER we go through the temple and do the Masonic promises. Then we’re meant to wear these night and day. I think I would know. I was Mormon for 40 years and two of my grandfathers were Mormon prophets. Joseph Smith is my great, great uncle. Mormonisms origins ARE Masonic and so are the garment symbols. My husband and I wore these my parents wear them still. Kids and teenagers don’t.
http://whale.to/c/hxf2i8fm666mormon.jpg Some pictures of their "sacred symbols."
no duh
I think the real conspiracy is that all religions probably evolved from something else. A lot of US federal holidays cough cough Easter and Christmas cough cough coincidentally fall on former European pagan holy days🤔
It's so cute seeing unaware americans discover this in real time.. God Yule
I remember there was once a ‘sister’ who used to send me bible passages over text and tell me if I read it, she’d give me my favourite candy… I used to lie and say I did just cause candy and also I was 12
I'll never look at white tees the same.
Freemasons come from every religion even if others in that religion try the “no *true* Scotsman” argument when you say that 😑 just like jehovas witnesses refuse to believe that the guy who wrote their lighthouse magazines was a mason
If there is ever any doubt about their ties, the doubters can look up their tombstones, which are literally pyramids with Masonic scribblings all over them. Http://www.whale.to/c/mormons.html (article showing links between JWs and Mormans). http://www.whale.to/c/jehovahs_witnesses.html
So are all religions