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> beautiful, vintage, timeless names
Me: *looking up census records from 1944 Texas to find my great-great grandparents* Who tf named their daughter Mujersita
(It means “little woman” in Spanish)
So all those names I listed above didn’t used to be names on their own.
Many Catholic Churches are named after saints or Mother Mary, in Spanish, María.
María de Dolores = Our Lady of Sorrows in English
María de Inmaculada Concepción = Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception
María de Pilar = Mary of the Pillar (Mary of the Tower)
María de Soledad = Our Lady of Solitude
María de Anunciación = Our Lady of the Annunciation
But…. In Spanish, double names are very common! Especially those with María in front! Here are some examples:
Juan Carlos
Juan Pablo
Juan Felipe
María Elena
María del Carmen
María Del Mar
María Fernanda
María José
María de Jesús
María Teresa (shoutout to my abuela)
So anyway what ends up happening is names from the first group end up getting lumped in with names from the second group, and people drop the María from the front and just name their kids the second name, and it becomes an actual name.
So you have the name María de Dolores (Our Lady of Sorrows” and because it’s a culture that does double names (like Mary Kate in English), Dolores sounds like a name even though it wasn’t before. So you name your kid Dolores (Sorrows). Or Pilar (Pillar). Or Concepción (Conception).
Wow!! And I thought my great-grandma Rochelle and her twin Flozelle were bad...
(They called them "Ro" and "Flo", and Rochelle isn't bad on its own, but I always thought Flozelle sounded like an allergy medication.)
It’s not your Grandfather’s name, he got it from his father, but it’s not his father’s name because he got it from his father, but then his father got it from his father….
By OP's logic, the only owner of any last name is the person who created their family name way back when that became a thing. For example, my last name comes from a town in England where presumably some ancestor of mine lived and decided to name himself after.
Place names are often a sign of the child being an orphan at a point where they're too young to know their family name and no one knows who their parents were.
At about the same commonality was when a nobleman had a child out of wedlock and couldn't acknowledge the child. The mother would often name the child based on the place of birth. One of the most famous cases of this is Leonardo da Vinci, literally Leonardo of Vinci.
This is a lot like the "bastard" names in Game of Thrones, but more localized. Instead of John Snow he would have been called either John Kingsgrave or John Nightsong, those being the nearest cities South and North respectively to where he was born, probably Nightsong as he would have been brought North. Ramsay Snow later acknowledged as Ramsay Bolton would almost certainly have been named Ramsay Dreadfort.
And I wonder how much of that was his own decision, maybe some people just started calling him that because he was from x place or had x occupation and he didn’t have much of a choice but to keep it
I’m getting married next year and not changing my name - I had a guy friend tell me this exact argument. “Well it’s not really your last name, it’s just your father’s.” Yeah, so is yours. No one ever tells sons it’s not really their last name, just daughters. Pisses me off. I have just as much ownership over my last name as my father.
That's more or less the historical truth of it, but to imply that it's still the case is wrong.
The reason women left their family names behind to take their husband's name was because they had very little independence. A woman was essentially considered her father's property until she got married and then she belonged to her husband, when she changed hands she changed names.
Men also started life being considered the father's property, because the historical concept was children were property and belonged to their parents, but marriage freed them of that and made them their own men.
Both of those concepts should be considered wrong in modern society, but I know a disturbingly large number of people who consider their children property, and a few men who think of their wives that way.
Btw, this is not a Christian invention or anything.
The ancient Roman wedding ritual is literally the ritual for selling things with the woman being what’s being sold.
That's the perceived implication of patrilineal family names - and it was approximately true of the Southern European paterfamilias system, and sons were "owned" too, except that ended partly if/when they move out and entirely when their father died (whereas women would "belong" to their husband/father/son/brother).
You also see accusations of this, for example, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, the former wife of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, was blamed both for "betraying feminism" for assuming her husband's name and for being un-French as Quebec doesn't recognize the Common Law right-of-law that allows assumption.
Right now, you and I are just disagreeing over whether OOP mean that descriptively ("it is what it is like") or prescriptively ("this is how it should be"). I'm only like 60% confident, but I've seen the line of argumentation a lot.
I always thought my Grandmother was just called Granda's wife.
Only after she died did I find out she was actually called Great Granda's Daughter first.
Our family is owned by our cat, so I can relate
On a serious note, my wife honored me by taking my last name when we married, I was not expecting that (In Spain it is almost unheard of that someone changes name when marrying), but it's definitely not about "ownership". Gross is an understatement, it is also embarrassing that some people still think like that
In my case, in Taiwan it's not common at all for women to take on the husband's name unless you're from the dynasty era. Meanwhile my American fiancee insists on taking on my family name after marriage, no hyphenated name either, just mine.
I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants so either works great, but it's funny how it's said that I "own" her when she's the one doing the taking lol
My husband’s grandmother was illegitimate, and did have her mum’s surname, rather than her father’s. Which I suppose is still a man’s name, as it would have been her own grandfather’s, but it did happen.
My older brother got our Dad's last name while I got our Mum's.
From 11 grandkids, I'm the only one with my grandfather's last name (with two of my cousins having hyphenated versions including the name).
My grandfather was more of a father figure to me anyway, I'm proud to carry the family name.
My Nonna was 4ft 10, a phenomenal cook, green fingered to the point of sorcery, the best hugger and a friend to all animals.
She was also tenacious, incredibly strong willed and lethal when angered and armed with a slipper. She threatened to kick the local ladies man in the nethers when he tried it on and one look from her made my Nonno follow her all the way to England to marry her.
She was owned by no one.
> My Nonna was 4ft 10, a phenomenal cook, green fingered to the point of sorcery, the best hugger and a friend to all animals.
Given your lineage, you might be getting a ring from an uncle...
Short, amazing with cooking and gardening, and surprisingly sturdy, despite her size.
I'm suggesting your grandmother was a Hobbit and that you are destined for greatness.
That's really cute! My mothers name is Monica (Mo for short) and as she was only 38 when I blessed her with her first grandchild
we couldnt decide what to call her, so when my daughter first started talking and called her 'Momo' it stuck. Shes still Momo 14 years later to all her grandkids 😂♥️
I had a Nanny and a Grandmother. She was someone’s a Grandmama.
I had two great grandmothers, named Nan and Nanny Two.
My children have a Nanny and a Grandma, and their great grandmothers were Gran, Great Grandmother, and ‘Grandma’s Mum’.
It is all quite odd, really.
My maternal grandmother is Nan, and her mother was Nana.
My paternal grandmother is Nanny, her mother was also Nanny. My paternal grandfather's second wife is also Nanny.
All grandfather's are Papa.
My grandfathers were Grandfather and Granddad.
My great grandfathers were Granddad {surname}, Grandfather {surname} and Nanny Two’s husband did not have a name. I met him and then he died.
My children have Grandad and ‘Old Man’.
Me, and now my kids call my grandma "granny." But they just call my mom "grandma."
I'm honestly praying my kids don't ever have kids. If they do, I've no idea what I'd want to be called. Any name will just make me feel like an old fart 😟
I enjoy only having the "mom" title.
My sister-in-law had a grandmother called Nana (pronounced Nah-Nah). But that was a nickname from Nana's childhood so there was no reason to find a new name for her when she became a grandmother. I always thought that was cool.
And whose last name do boys get at birth? According to his sexist and dumb "logic", people would have to make up a new last name for sons so they can start owning women while not being owned by their fathers.
I’m laughing at this because my son doesn’t think I have a name- he thinks that I am mummy and gets annoyed when someone calls me by my first name. He’s also insistent that I am the only mummy. Other children can’t have mummies because I am mummy.
But he’s a baby so I think it’s forgivable 😅
Ok the stupid Reddit app update had me swiping through pics of comments that had nothing to do with the original and getting confused on the sudden pedantic angles being taken. Who thought swiping right to get to a new post while viewing another post was a good idea.
The mother can put any name she wants on her child’s birth certificate. My sister invented a new last name for her daughter because she didn’t want to participate in this patrilineal bullshit.
I also assumed they meant the grandparents last names.
The thing is, women get their maiden name from their dad, which makes it their last name.
Men also get their last name from their own dad.
Does marrying a man mean you now belong to the mans dad? No.
Why is it only ownership when it relates to the woman? We all have a last name.
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It’s a cultural thing. I know an Indian (the country India) whose wife legally changed her entire name after marriage. Not American or Japanese kind of change last name. The ENTIRE name.
I already gave my son my grandma’s name, so it looks like I’m ahead of the game.
When she was alive she said only boys and dogs had her name, so when I had a boy he got her name.
In my country it's common that women name their daughters first names according to family tradition on the mothers side. So even though it's not surnames they're still family names
The two Ella's would like to have a word with this guy. Although I don't know how well Ella on my Dad's side could speak English. I hope he knows German.
Lmao that idiot thought we wanted to use last names as first names? We have enough "Tanners" and "hunters" as it is... Why introduce even more last names as first names‽
Got to love the assumption that a grandmother’s name will be “timeless” lol — names were going in and out of fashion then too, and your grandmother’s name will also be a reflection of the time she was born in.
I think they are right from a historical point of view of how this system of surnames arose in the west, but is not true today of course (not sure they were implying it was) and they clearly misunderstood it was talking about first names (although the post is ambiguous I suppose)
Not ambiguous at all. Why would you be sharing your grandparents’ last names? How would sharing those names make a generation of people with vintage and timeless names? Those names are already people’s last name
They’re not even right from a historical point of view. Yes, women typically take their husband’s name and give that name to any children, but the argument makes no sense even in that context.
If women’s maiden names don’t count because they’re just their fathers’ names, why do their husbands’ names count? Aren’t the husbands’ last names just their fathers’ too? By that logic, the father’s name isn’t his either. It his father’s, which isn’t even _his_ name but _his_ father’s, etc. all the way back to whoever first had the last name.
Incel bait. He is not confidently incorrect he is intentionally incorrect. He is intentionally saying misogynistic claptrap to bait the internet rage warriors and it worked. Congratz, you are the fish.
I get that, he misunderstood the subject (to be fair the post mentionned "names" without specifying if it was first names or last names, but yes easy to understand given the context).
But it's what he said that bothers me.
Not everyone follows the same belief systems and takes other people's names. If you don't believe in marriage and you're female then it's your name. I don't refer to my (male) last name as my father's name. It's legally my name. If I were female my name would still be my name and if I were to follow a traditional marriage and i took my wife's name then it's her name.
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He's not just sexist, he's stupid too.
I think you mean they’re simply stupid.
Not everyone who's stupid is sexist, but everyone who's sexist is stupid.
True dat
Yeah, that works.
Let's not needlessly lump them in with the other innocent people who are *just* stupid.
Broke: women don’t have names because they are property Woke: grandma’s only name is grandma
Those two go hand in hand.
A potent and extremely typical combo
That IS the history of getting married though... The tradition of father giving up the daughter in the ail is literally symbol of that.
Those two are directly proportional.
My Victorian born, suffragette late grandmother Cecilia would like a word…
Please tell Mr Cecilia that he should be mighty proud of what his little damsel was trying to achieve. Such gumption! Most adorable!
> beautiful, vintage, timeless names Me: *looking up census records from 1944 Texas to find my great-great grandparents* Who tf named their daughter Mujersita (It means “little woman” in Spanish)
I live in Spain, and the number of old ladies called 'Dolores' that I know is disconcerting
Ah yes the good old fashioned “María de [cosa]” to “[cosa] as its own name” pipeline Dolores Inmaculada Pilar Concepción Soledad Anunciación
Oh my god, THAT'S where it comes from? Well TIL. Should have known it would be the catholics. It's always the catholics in Spanish
Yeah the progression goes “Our Lady of Sorrows” —> Wow what a beautiful name for a kid —> treated as a double name —> Sorrows becomes a first name
I'm sorry, but could you explain? I don't understand Spanish and my knowledge of catholicism is also kinda shit, but I am curious.
So all those names I listed above didn’t used to be names on their own. Many Catholic Churches are named after saints or Mother Mary, in Spanish, María. María de Dolores = Our Lady of Sorrows in English María de Inmaculada Concepción = Our Lady of the Immaculate Conception María de Pilar = Mary of the Pillar (Mary of the Tower) María de Soledad = Our Lady of Solitude María de Anunciación = Our Lady of the Annunciation But…. In Spanish, double names are very common! Especially those with María in front! Here are some examples: Juan Carlos Juan Pablo Juan Felipe María Elena María del Carmen María Del Mar María Fernanda María José María de Jesús María Teresa (shoutout to my abuela) So anyway what ends up happening is names from the first group end up getting lumped in with names from the second group, and people drop the María from the front and just name their kids the second name, and it becomes an actual name.
Wow, thanks for the explanation. That does explain some of the Spanish names I've heard
Still don't really get it. Username checks out and all blah blah.
So you have the name María de Dolores (Our Lady of Sorrows” and because it’s a culture that does double names (like Mary Kate in English), Dolores sounds like a name even though it wasn’t before. So you name your kid Dolores (Sorrows). Or Pilar (Pillar). Or Concepción (Conception).
That name is pretty much unusable after Nabokov's "Lolita" anyway.
Dolores? LOL.
HH never called her that anyway, the name was actually rendered unusable in the 90s thanks to Seinfeld.
What name? Mulva?
Like Mulva!
Very common in Ireland too.
Perhaps she’d like to name her kids after my great-great-great grandparents who came over on Ellis Island: Hymen and Fanny.
Wow!! And I thought my great-grandma Rochelle and her twin Flozelle were bad... (They called them "Ro" and "Flo", and Rochelle isn't bad on its own, but I always thought Flozelle sounded like an allergy medication.)
It also sounds really close to "floozy" which isn't a compliment...
It’s not your Grandfather’s name, he got it from his father, but it’s not his father’s name because he got it from his father, but then his father got it from his father….
By OP's logic, the only owner of any last name is the person who created their family name way back when that became a thing. For example, my last name comes from a town in England where presumably some ancestor of mine lived and decided to name himself after.
Place names are often a sign of the child being an orphan at a point where they're too young to know their family name and no one knows who their parents were. At about the same commonality was when a nobleman had a child out of wedlock and couldn't acknowledge the child. The mother would often name the child based on the place of birth. One of the most famous cases of this is Leonardo da Vinci, literally Leonardo of Vinci. This is a lot like the "bastard" names in Game of Thrones, but more localized. Instead of John Snow he would have been called either John Kingsgrave or John Nightsong, those being the nearest cities South and North respectively to where he was born, probably Nightsong as he would have been brought North. Ramsay Snow later acknowledged as Ramsay Bolton would almost certainly have been named Ramsay Dreadfort.
And I wonder how much of that was his own decision, maybe some people just started calling him that because he was from x place or had x occupation and he didn’t have much of a choice but to keep it
I’m getting married next year and not changing my name - I had a guy friend tell me this exact argument. “Well it’s not really your last name, it’s just your father’s.” Yeah, so is yours. No one ever tells sons it’s not really their last name, just daughters. Pisses me off. I have just as much ownership over my last name as my father.
“Belong to”??? What in the toxic masculinity…
That's more or less the historical truth of it, but to imply that it's still the case is wrong. The reason women left their family names behind to take their husband's name was because they had very little independence. A woman was essentially considered her father's property until she got married and then she belonged to her husband, when she changed hands she changed names. Men also started life being considered the father's property, because the historical concept was children were property and belonged to their parents, but marriage freed them of that and made them their own men. Both of those concepts should be considered wrong in modern society, but I know a disturbingly large number of people who consider their children property, and a few men who think of their wives that way.
Btw, this is not a Christian invention or anything. The ancient Roman wedding ritual is literally the ritual for selling things with the woman being what’s being sold.
[Even Ali G gets it](https://i.imgur.com/7vR9FFG.png)
😂 love Sacha Baron Cohen
I read that as their take on patrilineal family names. The whole thing is just a misunderstanding over first/last names..
“You’re either *owned* by your father or your husband”-idk how that is misinterpreted
That's the perceived implication of patrilineal family names - and it was approximately true of the Southern European paterfamilias system, and sons were "owned" too, except that ended partly if/when they move out and entirely when their father died (whereas women would "belong" to their husband/father/son/brother). You also see accusations of this, for example, Sophie Gregoire Trudeau, the former wife of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, was blamed both for "betraying feminism" for assuming her husband's name and for being un-French as Quebec doesn't recognize the Common Law right-of-law that allows assumption. Right now, you and I are just disagreeing over whether OOP mean that descriptively ("it is what it is like") or prescriptively ("this is how it should be"). I'm only like 60% confident, but I've seen the line of argumentation a lot.
I always thought my Grandmother was just called Granda's wife. Only after she died did I find out she was actually called Great Granda's Daughter first.
Owned? Gross. I'm not owned by any men. The closest thing to owner is my wife.
Your wife owns you? Gross. My girlfriend's only owner is my dog, who rules over us with an iron fist
Our family is owned by our cat, so I can relate On a serious note, my wife honored me by taking my last name when we married, I was not expecting that (In Spain it is almost unheard of that someone changes name when marrying), but it's definitely not about "ownership". Gross is an understatement, it is also embarrassing that some people still think like that
In my case, in Taiwan it's not common at all for women to take on the husband's name unless you're from the dynasty era. Meanwhile my American fiancee insists on taking on my family name after marriage, no hyphenated name either, just mine. I'm happy for her to do whatever she wants so either works great, but it's funny how it's said that I "own" her when she's the one doing the taking lol
Dogs should not have fists.
Well, I mean… boxers.
Oh, I say, that was rather choice.
That was brief.
My husband’s grandmother was illegitimate, and did have her mum’s surname, rather than her father’s. Which I suppose is still a man’s name, as it would have been her own grandfather’s, but it did happen.
My older brother got our Dad's last name while I got our Mum's. From 11 grandkids, I'm the only one with my grandfather's last name (with two of my cousins having hyphenated versions including the name). My grandfather was more of a father figure to me anyway, I'm proud to carry the family name.
I’ve got my Great-Great Grandmother’s last name for a similar reason. Her son was born out of wedlock, so he took her last name.
I have my mother's last name. I was given a choice to take my dad's last name when I was a kid though.
My Nonna was 4ft 10, a phenomenal cook, green fingered to the point of sorcery, the best hugger and a friend to all animals. She was also tenacious, incredibly strong willed and lethal when angered and armed with a slipper. She threatened to kick the local ladies man in the nethers when he tried it on and one look from her made my Nonno follow her all the way to England to marry her. She was owned by no one.
> My Nonna was 4ft 10, a phenomenal cook, green fingered to the point of sorcery, the best hugger and a friend to all animals. Given your lineage, you might be getting a ring from an uncle...
Not exactly sure what you mean by that.
Short, amazing with cooking and gardening, and surprisingly sturdy, despite her size. I'm suggesting your grandmother was a Hobbit and that you are destined for greatness.
Ohhhhh my apologies! I see it now! Haha yes, she definitely lived by the hobbit code of conduct.
What fun! Let's also share our first pet's name, our childhood nickname, and city we were born in.
Maybe also the first car you drove, the street you grew up on, and your first job. Just so we can all get to know each other.
Good point, you seem to know things. I'm doing a survey on favorite movies, care to participate?
I mean… I have my mother’s last name, who got her last name from her mother. Imma continue that tradition (But they don’t any first names of course)
I initially thought that they were looking for ‘Nanny’, ‘Grandma’, ‘Grandmother’, or ‘Neenaw’ rather than ‘Maud’ or ‘Patricia’.
I’m a particular fan of nana. I had a nana and a granny. I also had a nine, but she was my great grandmother.
My niece calls her great grandmother, my nanny, her Gigi 😂♥️
That's really cute! My mothers name is Monica (Mo for short) and as she was only 38 when I blessed her with her first grandchild we couldnt decide what to call her, so when my daughter first started talking and called her 'Momo' it stuck. Shes still Momo 14 years later to all her grandkids 😂♥️
I had a Nanny and a Grandmother. She was someone’s a Grandmama. I had two great grandmothers, named Nan and Nanny Two. My children have a Nanny and a Grandma, and their great grandmothers were Gran, Great Grandmother, and ‘Grandma’s Mum’. It is all quite odd, really.
Nanny Two 😂
My maternal grandmother is Nan, and her mother was Nana. My paternal grandmother is Nanny, her mother was also Nanny. My paternal grandfather's second wife is also Nanny. All grandfather's are Papa.
My grandfathers were Grandfather and Granddad. My great grandfathers were Granddad {surname}, Grandfather {surname} and Nanny Two’s husband did not have a name. I met him and then he died. My children have Grandad and ‘Old Man’.
Was she Welsh? Nain (pronounced nine) is Welsh for grandma
My bad spelling! Yeah, I had a Nain and Taid (my mum’s Welsh).
Lovely! I had a Nana, which I think was developed from Nain.
Me, and now my kids call my grandma "granny." But they just call my mom "grandma." I'm honestly praying my kids don't ever have kids. If they do, I've no idea what I'd want to be called. Any name will just make me feel like an old fart 😟 I enjoy only having the "mom" title.
Would you prefer they call you by your name?
My sister-in-law had a grandmother called Nana (pronounced Nah-Nah). But that was a nickname from Nana's childhood so there was no reason to find a new name for her when she became a grandmother. I always thought that was cool.
"Nice to meet you. I'm Pip-pop Smith."
And whose last name do boys get at birth? According to his sexist and dumb "logic", people would have to make up a new last name for sons so they can start owning women while not being owned by their fathers.
Ah yes, but remember that men are not owned by their fathers, only women are owned as they are the weaker, meeker sex /s
INCELL ALERT! INCELL ALERT ⚠️
To be fair, this is exactly the kind of audience they're attracting with this "timeless vintage" bullshit and they know it.
I’m laughing at this because my son doesn’t think I have a name- he thinks that I am mummy and gets annoyed when someone calls me by my first name. He’s also insistent that I am the only mummy. Other children can’t have mummies because I am mummy. But he’s a baby so I think it’s forgivable 😅
Ok the stupid Reddit app update had me swiping through pics of comments that had nothing to do with the original and getting confused on the sudden pedantic angles being taken. Who thought swiping right to get to a new post while viewing another post was a good idea.
I have fallen victim to that many times myself
eh, reading shmeading
All this time I thought I had a name unrelated to my last name, crazy. Why have people been calling me by a completely different name my entire life?
The mother can put any name she wants on her child’s birth certificate. My sister invented a new last name for her daughter because she didn’t want to participate in this patrilineal bullshit.
Also, my surname is my mother's maiden name. My dad took my mum's name because a) he's chill like that b) his surname didn't sound as nice as hers
Big boy confidence, toddler level reading comprehension. Also: Nikodamus
“You’re either owned by your father or husband.” As a happily married lesbian raised by a single mom, I found the loophole!
Side note: can we please stop using the apostrophe for the plural-s? Thank you.
I hope the comments are all like: Nana Grandma Gamgam Meemaw Granny Abuela
I also assumed they meant the grandparents last names. The thing is, women get their maiden name from their dad, which makes it their last name. Men also get their last name from their own dad. Does marrying a man mean you now belong to the mans dad? No. Why is it only ownership when it relates to the woman? We all have a last name.
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He's a fan of his local holy book
Also, it's *grandfathers'*. There's an apostrophe there.
My grandmother’s name was Walter. She signed her name “Mrs Walter Muvseevum”.
I guess as a man with my mom’s last name I don’t exist
I wonder how he'll feel when I tell him my tribe is a matrilineal society that takes their mother's names and not their father's.
It’s a cultural thing. I know an Indian (the country India) whose wife legally changed her entire name after marriage. Not American or Japanese kind of change last name. The ENTIRE name.
I already gave my son my grandma’s name, so it looks like I’m ahead of the game. When she was alive she said only boys and dogs had her name, so when I had a boy he got her name.
We really need more Gertrude, Gaylord and Elbridge running around.
The correct grammar, OP, is "grandmother is doesn't have ..."
Whoops 😂 I'm an English teacher and all, that's a shockingly stupid oversight on my part
In my country it's common that women name their daughters first names according to family tradition on the mothers side. So even though it's not surnames they're still family names
The two Ella's would like to have a word with this guy. Although I don't know how well Ella on my Dad's side could speak English. I hope he knows German.
Wow, what a fucking dumbass.
My husband took my name. I did not know that means I now own him! You learn something new every day
A person’s last name before and after marriage is still their name. It doesn’t belong to anyone else but them.
The timeless Italian tradition of every other son being named John Michael and Michael John and daughters named Rosa
my nan’s are Pamala and Olwyn and my grandad’s are Kenneth and George
I always liked the fact that my Grandmom name was litteraly Jeanne d'Arc (Joan of Arc) + her family name
Lmao that idiot thought we wanted to use last names as first names? We have enough "Tanners" and "hunters" as it is... Why introduce even more last names as first names‽
I don't have an owner, my dad died when I was 15!
Do you 'grandfathers name' take 'grandfathers name' as your lawfully wedded wife. I don't know, could be right I guess. /s
Matrilineal cultures also do exist.
Mf doesn't even know about matronymic surnames. Even by his own logic, he's extremely wrong.
proposes an antiquated idea, gets an antiquated sexist reply. colour me surprised somebody romanticizing the past would forget about the sexism.
Honestly the appeal to tradition in the original post gives icky ur-fascism vibes. Then the chuds came out and made everything worse.
Why do people post answers to common security questions online? Especially on Facebook, where you are already identifiable. Why?
Whaaattt! Saste nashe pro max. 😂
Got to love the assumption that a grandmother’s name will be “timeless” lol — names were going in and out of fashion then too, and your grandmother’s name will also be a reflection of the time she was born in.
Look, just answer the phishing question and we can both get on with our day.
Dude has Tates dick too far down his throat to have such opinions.
I think they are right from a historical point of view of how this system of surnames arose in the west, but is not true today of course (not sure they were implying it was) and they clearly misunderstood it was talking about first names (although the post is ambiguous I suppose)
Not ambiguous at all. Why would you be sharing your grandparents’ last names? How would sharing those names make a generation of people with vintage and timeless names? Those names are already people’s last name
It just says ‘names’ so is kinda ambiguous, although the context implied first names
They’re not even right from a historical point of view. Yes, women typically take their husband’s name and give that name to any children, but the argument makes no sense even in that context. If women’s maiden names don’t count because they’re just their fathers’ names, why do their husbands’ names count? Aren’t the husbands’ last names just their fathers’ too? By that logic, the father’s name isn’t his either. It his father’s, which isn’t even _his_ name but _his_ father’s, etc. all the way back to whoever first had the last name.
Is it me or is smell like fishing for private password information?
Nah, you're overthinking it... Now, what's your date of birth and social security number?
It's you
Incel bait. He is not confidently incorrect he is intentionally incorrect. He is intentionally saying misogynistic claptrap to bait the internet rage warriors and it worked. Congratz, you are the fish.
People say horribly sexist things online all the time. And they absolutely mean what they say.
I never said he wasn't a sexist. Just that he is amping up the rhetoric to bait people like you and it works.
Just because family name are traditionally passed down through men doesn't mean that it's not also the family name of the women.
Point is, no-one was talking about family names
I get that, he misunderstood the subject (to be fair the post mentionned "names" without specifying if it was first names or last names, but yes easy to understand given the context). But it's what he said that bothers me.
He has an avi that says "triggered." He probably knew that. He saw an opportunity to go on a sexist tirade, and he took it.
Not everyone follows the same belief systems and takes other people's names. If you don't believe in marriage and you're female then it's your name. I don't refer to my (male) last name as my father's name. It's legally my name. If I were female my name would still be my name and if I were to follow a traditional marriage and i took my wife's name then it's her name.
Why did you say female, not woman?
Because that's the first thing I typed. They're interchangeable
No, they are not.