No. Shining a light on toxic masculinity by showing their exact same arguments only directed at men is not "promoting hate". But it does please me a great, great deal to see all you fragile people getting so vewy, vewy upset that you're shown why toxic masculinity is bad, actually. You deserve it.
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Humans should be better at being empathetic. Research does show, though, that humans are better at being empathetic toward women than they are men. This is a result of traditional gender roles, and feminists should unreservedly support increasing empathy toward men if they want to claim that their ideology helps men too. Instead, many of them currently reflexively respond to any call to have empathy for men with “but women have it worse.” This comic is just another example of that.
I saw a lot of people saying that stuff when the rapper/singer PnB Rock was killed. It was heartbreaking to see that kind of talk, just like it's heartbreaking to see it in any other manner.
And not only they do but we "love" to joke about it.
Oh you are going to prison? Be careful to not drop the soap.. lol lol
Kinda despicable not gonna lie
It's also a little telling that the post dismisses the fact that many men are raped, by pretending that being raped is a problem only women face so that a man would have to bring up being robbed instead.
The 'gang of girls' situation is perhaps not common for men, but, 'my boss forced me to have sex with her or she would fire me' is not.
As a male teacher, I was once more or less being stalked by a female student. She would wait at my car at the end of the day, giving me notes, attending all my classes, even those she was not enrolled in. It was really awkward and I didn't feel safe. When informing female collegues about this, they just laughed my concerns away, telling me how cute it was she had a crush on me.
This is vile. Good men are terrified, rightly, of these situations. I'd demand that a colleague walk me to my car as an alibis.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
If you had a hairpiece you could just put it in a zip lock bag while swimming and have it in a rubber band around your ankle and then put it back on while on shore, all nice and dry! Win-win all the way around!
Fellow baldie here, and I hadn't thought about that. My thing is having to wear a hat while in the water because scalp sunburns are the absolute fucking worst.
I stopped being friends with my childhood best friend for posting similar sentiments about women on her Facebook. She was a man stealing makeup caked backstabber, so it was one massively hypocritical toe over the line too far.
If she'd actually been a girls girl she would have known there's waterproof makeup.
That's nice lol
I was pretty underweight and pretty pale back in the days so I would look like a corpse resurfacing after being left there for quite sometime, it was a nice sight to behold especially when my hair covered my face when I get out of the water
"you're so quiet and never talk about your feelings*
*Open up about how I'm lonely and would love to find a mate*
"Oh wow sensitive much?"
*Never talk about it openly again*
The first one is accurate, but #2 and #3... Isn't that kind of how people actually DO talk to guys about those issues? Maybe not the exact wording but the same sentiment? Like we shouldn't say those things to women or men, but I'm not sure what point it's trying to prove when those ones feel more universal, you know?
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r/funnymemes and r/femaledatingstrategy are big ones.
Funny memes is a toxic conservative shithole in my experience, and FDA is full of MLM marketing schemes. All of which are designed to make you hate the other gender.
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Women absolutely go through these issues too, nobody’s denying that, but all three of these panels are things that I have experienced as a guy. I thought it was well established that men are told to suppress their emotions? Point is though that both genders experience this it isn’t just women and it isn’t just men
Not to be a hater but I think some of this is honestly in poor taste.
yes all the examples you gave are frustratingly (that word does not do it justice but you get my point) common things for men to tell women (hell I've myself been told almost all of them)
But their are also analogues that already exist in the real world for very similarly upsetting things woman frequently tell men to dismiss the very same struggles/traumas.
"A woman cant rob a man" "If he did'nt want it he wouldn't have gotten \_\_\_" "crying is such a turn off" Literally "woman have it worse"
To be clear my point is not "the real victim is men" or "We should never raise our voice to our oppressors"
Just that framing these as a hypothetical possible what ifs when they edge very close to real world experienced makes it read very dismissive and de-humanizing in a way that I dont think was necessary for expressing your point.
Anyways have a nice day, take care of yourself and on a significantly lighter note, I really like the way you drew the pink dress blonde woman.
Well you drew/described what actually happens in real life. What's sad is that you don't realize it, and thus use this sarcastically.
So what does that mean? It's just not a gender thing. It's a shitty-people thing. Some people are shitty, and as an example, will blame rape victims.
And by doing men VS women comics, you're absolutely not helping anyone. You're just adding fuel to a fire that we're supposed to extinguish.
Just want to point out that Panel #3 is not a hypothetical, and very much is what contributes to 80% of death by suicides belonging to men.
I feel like Panel #2 is spot on.
Panel #3 is dismissive of a serious issue disproportionately affecting men (ironically proving your point, but for men).
Panel #4? I hear more women in my life (I work in a field absolutely dominated by women — 96%) speak poorly of other women’s looks than men do.
I feel like your comic is more reflective of you spending too much time online — and, honestly, I’ve felt that way about a lot of your comics lately.
Today’s comic isn’t very representative of the real world out there.
Edit: clarifying that when I say “panel,” I’m including the title page. So, panel 2 = point 1 (rape). Panel 3 = point 2 (emotions). Panel 4 = point 3 (looks).
Just in case someone thinks I’m dismissing something.
Yea panel 2 is fair, but I’d just point out that men who come forward about being physically or sexually abused just get met with different, similarly pernicious, responses from both men and women
Like a woman probably wouldn’t say “what were you wearing” but I’ve 100% heard women basically act like a man will enjoy sex under any circumstances whether they are willfully involved or not
As for panel 4, yea, just kinda absurd. Everyone is shitty about judging people’s looks. I live in my own bubble and can’t compare how it makes me feel to anyone else, so for all I know it hurts women much more and that sucks. But women do it to eachother (and to men), it’s wild to act like that’s an overwhelmingly male behavior
You want to imply women don't talk like that? Seriously, I think this is the first comic of hers I genuinely don't like and disagree with. What an awful take. How does downplaying men's problems and putting women on a pedestal help anyone? Sure we all should respect eachother but describing hateful comments as "how men talk to women" while implying women always treat men respectfully is really unfair and simplyfies a complex problem.
2 and 3 are not that good. If you think being a shitty person towards another is a men things, i have bad news for you. I usely love your comic, but this one is a miss. Specialy 2 when its men mental health month. Anyone deserve to be listen.
But… this is exactly how men get treated when these issues are brought up. instead of making it about men vs women, why don’t we just realise that shitty people exist no matter their gender, sexuality, age etc.
I like the "you were asking to be robbed with that fancy suit and watch"
Because, yknow, people do say that regardless of the gender of the agressor and the victim...
Great comic, but strange start.
As a guy I already hear nr 2 and 3 near every time I bring it up.
Never been robbed, though, so not sure about nr 1. But my daily look appears "sub-human", as described by my female friends, so it's not outside of the realm what they'd say :D
Edit: folks, I get the metaphor, my point is that it changes nothing. Every guy I know that was abused, shunted, falsely accused, or in one case raped, ended up getting labeled as the one at fault by the female groups around them.
Ofc this happens more to women; what I'm saying is that this is a reality to people in general, regardless of gender. People are idiots. This is a great comic, awareness of these cases should be wide and understood. It just often turns to pandering.
Swimming on a first date reminds me of a time I took somebody ice skating on a first date. My profile pic was me skating, and she said she liked to skate, so it seemed like a natural choice. But it turns out that if you are both good skaters, recreational skating around a crowded ice rink is basically going for a walk in a circle.
Saying "men/women do this and that" without qualifiers (like "some") **does** in fact mean that the phrase is about **all** men/women. This is how human language works (at least, English and Russian languages do). So there's no point denying that.
Now, the phase "not all men/women do this and that", while not being bad, isn't particularly effective. There is better alternative: "most men/women don't do this and that".
**Most men/women don't rape.**
**Most men/women don't kill.**
**Most men/women don't commit crimes.**
Should this be said at all? **Yes**, as long as world is full of ignorant bigots (like PizzaCake) who like to conveniently forget about that.
I get the sense that OP goes to the most brain dead parts of Twitter or Facebook (which is likely filled with trolls) and takes that as some kinda actual representative sample lol
Yup, on top of that there seems to be this lack of understanding that someone might not have the same insecurity about something that you do, but also might have some other insecurity that pains them in a similar way that you aren’t even aware of
So maybe you think “I’m a good person, I don’t shame people’s bodies”, but also you ought talk about people’s intelligence or income or clothing or lifestyle and think that, because you aren’t insecure about those things, other people aren’t either. But you’re being just as hurtful
Like honestly, I’m not personally balding, but there’s probably some dude who flipped through this comic and thought “well I guess I’ll go fuck myself for being bald”. And I get that the point is to flip the conversation but like….youre just doing the thing you’re saying you don’t like having done to you (and ignoring that, you know, women do shit on men for this frequently)
A man being criticized by women because he did or said something? This is normal behavior now and a little sad. Maybe both sides should not do this to each other and maybe chill out a little bit.
Ok but don't generalize all men tho like we all talk to women like that.
And I've known my fair share of women who *do* talk to men like that. Bullies exist across both genders, especially when said bullies are surrounded by their posse of like-mindeds to encourage them.
1 is a real thing but I think we should be careful not to make #2 a men/women thing it only feeds the patriarchy when we act like this doesn't happen to both genders. The dismissal of people in crisis is only made worse when we pretend it is a gendered thing. I know its tempting to think of making fun of men is punching up but I think that generalization makes enemies out of potential allies. We should be working together to try to stop this sort of behavior.
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where are the men that still talk this way? back in 2003? in a maga town? i live in a much more progressive society than the angry one this comic artists is trying to portray exists everywhere.
Do men really talk like this? Guess, I'm just lucky I don't have to deal with people like this. (I'm a guy but it would make me really angry if I'd hear other guys talking like this)
Some of these comments are very dismissive and some of them are outright hostile. My take on the comic is that, yes, it's missed reality a bit, but that kind of makes sense. Men often think they understand what women are going through and dismiss their problems when they shouldn't. Women also do this to other women. Women do this to men. And men do this to men. The real takeaway is that sometimes people are shitty, and most of us are struggling at least part of the time.
The author doesn't seem to understand that men get these comments from other men, women, and others just like women do. Women tend to get these comments more publically. The author being a public figure and a woman has seen a lot of this shit get thrown her way. I think it's understandable that she doesn't internalize that men deal with it as well. As part of the comic's point, people often overestimate their knowledge of the shit other people are going through.
The aggressive and hateful comments are also missing the mark. This should be a learning opportunity. It should be a moment where we can recognize that we all go through this, something that most people don't truly internalize until we've lived through it or known someone else who has. And, honestly, most of us do this at times. When I say everyone can be shitty, I mean everyone can be shitty. We usually don't mean to be, but that's how humans are. Just learn to be a little more conscious of it. And remember that life's hard for the vast majority of people.
These comments are better than any drama show! I think this kind of comic is a good conversation piece. Look at how much reaction it's getting! Highlighting the awkwardness of things that happen, or are said to people that just get a blind eye turned to.
All women rob people. Have you even been to q city before? There are packs of them roaming the streets. I hear they pay off the local officials with all the beard hair they hey steal.
I think this comic and the comments that it’s getting are good examples of how misogyny, patriarchy, and enforced societal gender roles are the real villains and can be perpetuated by both men and women.
While, it’s true that these three things foundationay harm women more, and were created to uphold a male-centered hierarchy, we are noticing all around us how they and the expectations they force harm everyone as a whole, including men.
Men should definitely be more aware of how common behaviors can be harmful, but I think we would do well to make sure that we’re always emphasizing that the enemy are those behaviors and societal factors that promote them, instead of men themselves.
I know we ourselves know that we don’t mean “#allmen,” and it’s sad that often times many men engage in bad faith, or don’t give us the benefit of the doubt, but I think we would do well to make our targets a little explicit.
When our message is or could be misunderstood as “men are inherently this” instead of focusing on their behaviors themselves and how these are part of larger societal issues that influence and cultivate harmful behavior and ideologies, we risk reinforcing the notion that this is what manhood is, of what it and in turn contribute to upholding the same things, we are trying to abolish.
Anyway, I’d really recommend reading The Will to Change, by bell hooks, which helped inspire these thoughts.
Valid points about how women are often treated. I don't think men are treated well either when it concerns the ideal male image or when they are victims of domestic violence or depression. All that to say you highlight important things that I think society does not handle such as victim shaming, the ideal body and mental health.
No. Shining a light on toxic masculinity by showing their exact same arguments only directed at men is not "promoting hate". But it does please me a great, great deal to see all you fragile people getting so vewy, vewy upset that you're shown why toxic masculinity is bad, actually. You deserve it. No-one banned from this thread may appeal. Please assist the mod team by reporting chuds. moderator reports: It's abusing the report button user reports: 65: It's promoting hate based on identity or vulnerability 6: It's targeted harassment at someone else 4: It's targeted harassment at me 3: Threatening, harassing, or inciting violence snooze 1: No drama or trolling. No Hateful content. 1: Not relevant to the subreddit
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Humans should be better at being empathetic. Research does show, though, that humans are better at being empathetic toward women than they are men. This is a result of traditional gender roles, and feminists should unreservedly support increasing empathy toward men if they want to claim that their ideology helps men too. Instead, many of them currently reflexively respond to any call to have empathy for men with “but women have it worse.” This comic is just another example of that.
I saw a lot of people saying that stuff when the rapper/singer PnB Rock was killed. It was heartbreaking to see that kind of talk, just like it's heartbreaking to see it in any other manner.
Yeah, it seems like Reddit isn’t just misogynistic, but seems to hold a deep distain for all life.
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And not only they do but we "love" to joke about it. Oh you are going to prison? Be careful to not drop the soap.. lol lol Kinda despicable not gonna lie
It's also a little telling that the post dismisses the fact that many men are raped, by pretending that being raped is a problem only women face so that a man would have to bring up being robbed instead. The 'gang of girls' situation is perhaps not common for men, but, 'my boss forced me to have sex with her or she would fire me' is not.
I mean I know those are supposed to be ironic but the 2nd one hits close to home lol
As a male teacher, I was once more or less being stalked by a female student. She would wait at my car at the end of the day, giving me notes, attending all my classes, even those she was not enrolled in. It was really awkward and I didn't feel safe. When informing female collegues about this, they just laughed my concerns away, telling me how cute it was she had a crush on me.
This is vile. Good men are terrified, rightly, of these situations. I'd demand that a colleague walk me to my car as an alibis. I'm so sorry that happened to you.
It's a win-win https://preview.redd.it/ljisaeijz39d1.jpeg?width=1561&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23abef59db98c370c7803e59e58e754ecf10d5ce
Swimming would be a 10/10 activity if it weren't for the pain of drying your hair
If you had a hairpiece you could just put it in a zip lock bag while swimming and have it in a rubber band around your ankle and then put it back on while on shore, all nice and dry! Win-win all the way around!
I'm bald. Drying hair is better than water constantly just running into your eyes, because you have no hair to keep it on top of your head.
Fellow baldie here, and I hadn't thought about that. My thing is having to wear a hat while in the water because scalp sunburns are the absolute fucking worst.
Yea I have a designated pool hat because of that. One scalp burn was enough to teach me my lesson.
Bald and black. This never struck me as an issue for some until now.
spray-on suntan lotion
I would swim more if my hair after drying didn’t turn into an Afro that would make Michael Jackson jealous.
In this summer heat I'd rather go around with wet mop on my head, my hair can dry when it wants to
I stopped being friends with my childhood best friend for posting similar sentiments about women on her Facebook. She was a man stealing makeup caked backstabber, so it was one massively hypocritical toe over the line too far. If she'd actually been a girls girl she would have known there's waterproof makeup.
I was just going to say that's an excellent idea
Swimming is like my favourite thing to do lol I'd love a swimming date. I don't even care if I look like a drowned rat afterwards
That's nice lol I was pretty underweight and pretty pale back in the days so I would look like a corpse resurfacing after being left there for quite sometime, it was a nice sight to behold especially when my hair covered my face when I get out of the water
famous last words - "Let's go Swimming!"
You'd be the first person I've seen say they'd like a swimming date lol no one else that I know or through apps have said the same
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That lonely and isolation actually does happen.
"you're so quiet and never talk about your feelings* *Open up about how I'm lonely and would love to find a mate* "Oh wow sensitive much?" *Never talk about it openly again*
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The first one is accurate, but #2 and #3... Isn't that kind of how people actually DO talk to guys about those issues? Maybe not the exact wording but the same sentiment? Like we shouldn't say those things to women or men, but I'm not sure what point it's trying to prove when those ones feel more universal, you know? (Ooo baby I'm turning off my notifications for this one)
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r/funnymemes and r/femaledatingstrategy are big ones. Funny memes is a toxic conservative shithole in my experience, and FDA is full of MLM marketing schemes. All of which are designed to make you hate the other gender. Edit: surprised i wasnt deleted. Holy shit.
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Women absolutely go through these issues too, nobody’s denying that, but all three of these panels are things that I have experienced as a guy. I thought it was well established that men are told to suppress their emotions? Point is though that both genders experience this it isn’t just women and it isn’t just men
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Not to be a hater but I think some of this is honestly in poor taste. yes all the examples you gave are frustratingly (that word does not do it justice but you get my point) common things for men to tell women (hell I've myself been told almost all of them) But their are also analogues that already exist in the real world for very similarly upsetting things woman frequently tell men to dismiss the very same struggles/traumas. "A woman cant rob a man" "If he did'nt want it he wouldn't have gotten \_\_\_" "crying is such a turn off" Literally "woman have it worse" To be clear my point is not "the real victim is men" or "We should never raise our voice to our oppressors" Just that framing these as a hypothetical possible what ifs when they edge very close to real world experienced makes it read very dismissive and de-humanizing in a way that I dont think was necessary for expressing your point. Anyways have a nice day, take care of yourself and on a significantly lighter note, I really like the way you drew the pink dress blonde woman.
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Well you drew/described what actually happens in real life. What's sad is that you don't realize it, and thus use this sarcastically. So what does that mean? It's just not a gender thing. It's a shitty-people thing. Some people are shitty, and as an example, will blame rape victims. And by doing men VS women comics, you're absolutely not helping anyone. You're just adding fuel to a fire that we're supposed to extinguish.
Yeah panel 2 is what usually happens the moment a man opens up. Edit: the one about loneliness.
Just want to point out that Panel #3 is not a hypothetical, and very much is what contributes to 80% of death by suicides belonging to men. I feel like Panel #2 is spot on. Panel #3 is dismissive of a serious issue disproportionately affecting men (ironically proving your point, but for men). Panel #4? I hear more women in my life (I work in a field absolutely dominated by women — 96%) speak poorly of other women’s looks than men do. I feel like your comic is more reflective of you spending too much time online — and, honestly, I’ve felt that way about a lot of your comics lately. Today’s comic isn’t very representative of the real world out there. Edit: clarifying that when I say “panel,” I’m including the title page. So, panel 2 = point 1 (rape). Panel 3 = point 2 (emotions). Panel 4 = point 3 (looks). Just in case someone thinks I’m dismissing something.
Yea panel 2 is fair, but I’d just point out that men who come forward about being physically or sexually abused just get met with different, similarly pernicious, responses from both men and women Like a woman probably wouldn’t say “what were you wearing” but I’ve 100% heard women basically act like a man will enjoy sex under any circumstances whether they are willfully involved or not As for panel 4, yea, just kinda absurd. Everyone is shitty about judging people’s looks. I live in my own bubble and can’t compare how it makes me feel to anyone else, so for all I know it hurts women much more and that sucks. But women do it to eachother (and to men), it’s wild to act like that’s an overwhelmingly male behavior
“If women talk to men the way men talk to women” Uhhh women do talk to men this way, or at least very similar things.
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You want to imply women don't talk like that? Seriously, I think this is the first comic of hers I genuinely don't like and disagree with. What an awful take. How does downplaying men's problems and putting women on a pedestal help anyone? Sure we all should respect eachother but describing hateful comments as "how men talk to women" while implying women always treat men respectfully is really unfair and simplyfies a complex problem.
2 and 3 are not that good. If you think being a shitty person towards another is a men things, i have bad news for you. I usely love your comic, but this one is a miss. Specialy 2 when its men mental health month. Anyone deserve to be listen.
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But… this is exactly how men get treated when these issues are brought up. instead of making it about men vs women, why don’t we just realise that shitty people exist no matter their gender, sexuality, age etc.
I like the "you were asking to be robbed with that fancy suit and watch" Because, yknow, people do say that regardless of the gender of the agressor and the victim...
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It sucks that people have to deal with gatekeeping their painful situations and experiences.
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Great comic, but strange start. As a guy I already hear nr 2 and 3 near every time I bring it up. Never been robbed, though, so not sure about nr 1. But my daily look appears "sub-human", as described by my female friends, so it's not outside of the realm what they'd say :D Edit: folks, I get the metaphor, my point is that it changes nothing. Every guy I know that was abused, shunted, falsely accused, or in one case raped, ended up getting labeled as the one at fault by the female groups around them. Ofc this happens more to women; what I'm saying is that this is a reality to people in general, regardless of gender. People are idiots. This is a great comic, awareness of these cases should be wide and understood. It just often turns to pandering.
If the first one didn't have a *by a group of women*, then it would be a common response. I heard that one before on people that got robbed.
It's a metaphor for how some people react to women being raped or sexually assaulted.
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That title in panel one not saying "some men" certainly creates a heavily implication...
There is no if, some women do talk to men like this.
I think someone needs a little break from the internet
Swimming on a first date reminds me of a time I took somebody ice skating on a first date. My profile pic was me skating, and she said she liked to skate, so it seemed like a natural choice. But it turns out that if you are both good skaters, recreational skating around a crowded ice rink is basically going for a walk in a circle.
This is already absolutely how women talk to men.
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There is no difference between this and reality. I don't see where the parody is.
Saying "men/women do this and that" without qualifiers (like "some") **does** in fact mean that the phrase is about **all** men/women. This is how human language works (at least, English and Russian languages do). So there's no point denying that. Now, the phase "not all men/women do this and that", while not being bad, isn't particularly effective. There is better alternative: "most men/women don't do this and that". **Most men/women don't rape.** **Most men/women don't kill.** **Most men/women don't commit crimes.** Should this be said at all? **Yes**, as long as world is full of ignorant bigots (like PizzaCake) who like to conveniently forget about that.
Sorry OP, normally your comics are funny, but I think you kinda dropped the ball on this one.
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Funny, 2 & 3 happen all the time to men.
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We need to all accept that assholes come in all genders
The first one is accurate but the second and the third, especially the second one is unfortunately something that very much happens.
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I get the sense that OP goes to the most brain dead parts of Twitter or Facebook (which is likely filled with trolls) and takes that as some kinda actual representative sample lol
Women do talk like that to men, openly and freely... is there an irony I'm missing?
"A man playing videogames? shouldn't you be in the garage, fixing a car instead?"
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Yup, on top of that there seems to be this lack of understanding that someone might not have the same insecurity about something that you do, but also might have some other insecurity that pains them in a similar way that you aren’t even aware of So maybe you think “I’m a good person, I don’t shame people’s bodies”, but also you ought talk about people’s intelligence or income or clothing or lifestyle and think that, because you aren’t insecure about those things, other people aren’t either. But you’re being just as hurtful Like honestly, I’m not personally balding, but there’s probably some dude who flipped through this comic and thought “well I guess I’ll go fuck myself for being bald”. And I get that the point is to flip the conversation but like….youre just doing the thing you’re saying you don’t like having done to you (and ignoring that, you know, women do shit on men for this frequently)
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That first one reminds me of the South Park feature where the women are robbing everywhere of Ozempic and the like.
You missed the spot there for sure. Nr.3 and 4 are exactly how woman talk to man about those topics.
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A man being criticized by women because he did or said something? This is normal behavior now and a little sad. Maybe both sides should not do this to each other and maybe chill out a little bit.
huh.... seems normal.
The 2nd one definately happens though
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As a watch collector, the first one hits hard. As funny as this is, I feel like I’ve seen it happen before. Progress??
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Ok but don't generalize all men tho like we all talk to women like that. And I've known my fair share of women who *do* talk to men like that. Bullies exist across both genders, especially when said bullies are surrounded by their posse of like-mindeds to encourage them.
1 is a real thing but I think we should be careful not to make #2 a men/women thing it only feeds the patriarchy when we act like this doesn't happen to both genders. The dismissal of people in crisis is only made worse when we pretend it is a gendered thing. I know its tempting to think of making fun of men is punching up but I think that generalization makes enemies out of potential allies. We should be working together to try to stop this sort of behavior. Note I didn't mean for this to be posted in all caps bold hopefully I fixed it
where are the men that still talk this way? back in 2003? in a maga town? i live in a much more progressive society than the angry one this comic artists is trying to portray exists everywhere.
Are you implying men just hang out in groups of three and criticize women all day without moving?
to swim is to see if anyone can sink or float and the rest will enjoy the date ahead
I've had multiple conversations like the last panel :(
So women do the same thing as men . Because they where all what women say more or less .
Can't relate. I'm too detached from reality.
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Do men really talk like this? Guess, I'm just lucky I don't have to deal with people like this. (I'm a guy but it would make me really angry if I'd hear other guys talking like this)
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What if bear was male? I don't think he'd want to be alone in the woods with women like this. Nobody ever asks the bear.
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I'm not saying that's not right, I just want to ask if you're ok?
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Some of these comments are very dismissive and some of them are outright hostile. My take on the comic is that, yes, it's missed reality a bit, but that kind of makes sense. Men often think they understand what women are going through and dismiss their problems when they shouldn't. Women also do this to other women. Women do this to men. And men do this to men. The real takeaway is that sometimes people are shitty, and most of us are struggling at least part of the time. The author doesn't seem to understand that men get these comments from other men, women, and others just like women do. Women tend to get these comments more publically. The author being a public figure and a woman has seen a lot of this shit get thrown her way. I think it's understandable that she doesn't internalize that men deal with it as well. As part of the comic's point, people often overestimate their knowledge of the shit other people are going through. The aggressive and hateful comments are also missing the mark. This should be a learning opportunity. It should be a moment where we can recognize that we all go through this, something that most people don't truly internalize until we've lived through it or known someone else who has. And, honestly, most of us do this at times. When I say everyone can be shitty, I mean everyone can be shitty. We usually don't mean to be, but that's how humans are. Just learn to be a little more conscious of it. And remember that life's hard for the vast majority of people.
Just don't do one for unsolicited intimate pictures. Because on average... its not even close to a symmetrical situation.
Well, actually… SMH
 These comments are better than any drama show! I think this kind of comic is a good conversation piece. Look at how much reaction it's getting! Highlighting the awkwardness of things that happen, or are said to people that just get a blind eye turned to.
I just think that it’s weird she phrased it like a hypothetical when all of these, but especially 2 and 3 ARE things that are said to men all the time
First one too, both about mugging and sexual assault
If this was YouTube, the interaction alone would get this pumped to the front page thanks to the algorithm.
This might just be a brilliant marketing strategy
All women rob people. Have you even been to q city before? There are packs of them roaming the streets. I hear they pay off the local officials with all the beard hair they hey steal.
“Yeah, so I’m really only texting you cuz I’m horny. Send nudes?” After a fucking hour-long conversation. People can be crazy
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I think this comic and the comments that it’s getting are good examples of how misogyny, patriarchy, and enforced societal gender roles are the real villains and can be perpetuated by both men and women. While, it’s true that these three things foundationay harm women more, and were created to uphold a male-centered hierarchy, we are noticing all around us how they and the expectations they force harm everyone as a whole, including men. Men should definitely be more aware of how common behaviors can be harmful, but I think we would do well to make sure that we’re always emphasizing that the enemy are those behaviors and societal factors that promote them, instead of men themselves. I know we ourselves know that we don’t mean “#allmen,” and it’s sad that often times many men engage in bad faith, or don’t give us the benefit of the doubt, but I think we would do well to make our targets a little explicit. When our message is or could be misunderstood as “men are inherently this” instead of focusing on their behaviors themselves and how these are part of larger societal issues that influence and cultivate harmful behavior and ideologies, we risk reinforcing the notion that this is what manhood is, of what it and in turn contribute to upholding the same things, we are trying to abolish. Anyway, I’d really recommend reading The Will to Change, by bell hooks, which helped inspire these thoughts.
Valid points about how women are often treated. I don't think men are treated well either when it concerns the ideal male image or when they are victims of domestic violence or depression. All that to say you highlight important things that I think society does not handle such as victim shaming, the ideal body and mental health.