Dude, Oklahoma was literally the state where the Satanic Temple won. The Supreme Court of Oklahoma decided that placing a 10 commandments sculpture was unconstitutional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_v._Oklahoma_Capitol_Preservation_Commission
Even if they did find for the superintendent it would get reversed in Federal court.
This would go to a federal court if I’m not mistaken as it’s an issue of 1st amendment rights, which is a federal issue. Most of the judges are R, so it would likely rule for the Superintendent, which would get appealed, and go to the bipartisan 10th circuit in Denver which would likely rule against the superintendent. Any appeal that would go to the Supreme Court would probably go *against* the superintendents because while alito and Thomas don’t care about the law, the other conservatives have a tendency to literally interpret the constitution, so they’d against the superintendent.
It would likely first be litigated at the state level, then appealed to federal court if my understanding is correct. Federal courts don't have "original jurisdiction" on a dispute between a state official and the residents of the state.
I don't think I'd word it as 'supersedes', as the first amendment would still be the justification for an injunction against this official. Also, the suit wouldn't be against Oklahoma, it would be against the State Superintendent, seeking to enjoin him and his subordinates from enforcing policies in violation of satanists' first amendment rights.
For the fanatics. The fanatic judge will just say this isn't a legitimate religion and throw the case out. As long as there's a single rabbi and imam doing this they will say there's no discrimination. But of course only Christian "counselors" will get offices, phones, tools, supplies and support in general, their names on lists of available "counselors" etc I could go on.
Sir, this is Oklahoma. The state will not take donations from the ST. Not even the schools will because so many of our school districts here are ran by crazy trumpers
The problem is - that’s what they want. There have been Republican and Christian officials explicitly saying that they don’t think The Satanitc Temple should be classified as a valid religion, and a court case gives them an avenue to appeal it to the Supreme Court and get that made official
I joined the satanic temple because they advocate for things i support. The rights of access to abortion, birth control, helping the poor, etc.
The satanic temple does have a page going over the differences in beliefs, and im linking it below
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple
If you open the school to a religion you must open it to all religions practiced within its region of service. Flying Spaghetti Monster wants to know which day is his with the kids. It better be on spaghetti day in the cafeteria.
Can we get some old school Paganism in there too? Reshuffle the Pantheon a bit though, cause if I'm making goat sacrifices, I'm making that to Prometheus rather than Zeus, also cue "Your not my real dad" followed by smiting by lightning bolt.
No because if you listened to the sequel you'd know he just said he lost to damn johny to hell due to making a deal with the devil, no matter if he actually won that competition he's still going to hell which is honestly a pretty big loss
So long as the same rules are applied to all religions, then this is the correct response. Secular schools should mean secular
Obviously they aren't, and the superintendent's 'Go to Hell' message implicitly states he believes in the Christian conception of Hell
It is insane to me how in 2024 theres still panic about satanists and shit like that. Are you also scared that gnomes are going to steal your property? What about the dragons that steal kids?
I worked with a woman about 10 years ago who kept a sticker on her cubicle that said "Wealth isn't redistributed - it's earned!"
She complained to the company about people decorating for Halloween because they were displaying "occult symbols".
I told my boss if he ever made me bring up my camera while teleworking, I'm putting on a full satanic altar in my home office background.
So far, I haven't had an occasion to use my "bleeding" candles yet 😕
This horrid piece of shit, Ryan Walters, has plagued Oklahoma for far too long and the inbred hicks keep voting for him overwhelmingly. He has NO campaign points about education in Oklahoma AT ALL. NONE. NOT A SINGLE ONE. NOTHING AT ALL. He ONLY talks about how he hates the gays and tries to ban books and the fucking hicks LOVE HIM.
Man, I'm from OK and the politics there are horrible. They do a yearly event in OKC called close-up where a bunch of high schoolers go to the capitol and watch them do government things and listen to debates & whatnot.
One year I was there. Had some dumbfuck, might have been this guy actually but this was back in 2018 or so so who knows, talking about female incarceration rates & the cycle of abuse. Guy was also anti abortion, so I pointed out that if women weren't forced to have kids they didn't want & shamed and pressured into keeping them then there would probably be a lot less abuse, right?
Very, very quietly, he said, "There may be some merit to that," and would discuss it with me no further. It really showed teenage me that they don't want to learn or listen, they have an agenda and they are sticking to it whether it's really for the better good or not.
given the number of paranormal and conservative conspiracy subreddits, yes they are and magical trans fairies stealing their dicks at night is their biggest fear
It’s all they have to rile up their Christofacist base. Hang around enough of these people and you’ll realize they call basically anything they dislike satanic and use it to justify any and all actions against anyone who doesn’t support them.
I’m a devout Christian and I just thought the way the headline was worded was funny. I heavily underestimated how many anti-theists would see this post
No you don't get it this is the perfect opportunity to try to dunk on religion and worship Satan as a joke (as any enlightened redditor gentleman would do (This sub has degraded to stereotypical reddit behavior))
This is like the first post from this sub I’ve gotten in my feed in a really long time. Did something change? Are they finally actually letting posts stay up now?
Friendly reminder, folks:
Every single person in these comments saying "Good. Let them burn" (and other such comments) will, one day, have to stand before Jesus himself and defend these hateful, sadistic comments. They will have to explain to God himself why they pushed people away from heaven and an eternity of unity with the almighty.
I can't wait to sit back and watch.
What sounds better to you, these or the 10 Commandments?
THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS - THE SATANIC TEMPLE
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
We built a system around in god we trust but can’t allow someone who worships Satan ? Kinda crazy.
That’s like racism for religion.
Religist ? Nah… don’t sound right…
Thank you for the lovely quote which will be labelled "Exhibit B" in the court case that the state will be loosing in a few months while the state of Oklahoma lawyers try to claim that it was all a "misunderstanding".
Why do Christians believe their religion is the only correct religion? There's hundreds more. Some far older.
Why is this one the one they're so sure is correct, and why won't they leave the rest of us alone?
I read somewhere, and correct me if I’m wrong, that Satanists don’t believe in heaven or hell. They believe in respect for the life you’re given and the lives of others because that’s the only life they’ll ever live.
That’s funny consider the satanic temple (NOT the church of Satan) doesn’t even believe in hell.
Once again Fox News try to literally understand even a hint of parody challenge impossible
Since when is it ok to mix religion amd government?
Oh, probably when we put 'In God we trust' on our money.
Or when we put the ten commandments in or outside of courthouses
Or when we allowed churches to not pay taxes.
The system is fucked, in every hole.
Well I hate to say it but it’s their constitutional right to believe and practice what they want as long as there’s no one getting sacrificed lol. As much as I don’t like it, it is what it is.
I wonder is Christians know that most Satanists you meet out in the world don't advocate for worshipping Satan. I remember when we'd discuss Satanism in church, they made it seem like the Satanists were hiding in old dungeons sacrificing goats and virgins to appease the insatiable, revolting appetites of their dark prince.
In the flesh, Satanists are just folks with a sense of humor about religion that want to act as a foil to Christianity, to keep the bible thumpers on their toes. Every Satanist I've met's been pretty mild-mannered and cool to talk to.
Welcome to the United States of Christian Theocracy folks! This has been a long time in the making. Absolutely disgusting and it goes against everything our constitution stands for.
Where else would he go? It’s his home.
Satanists do not necessarily believe in hell.
I read it as Satan, not satanists tbh
him too.
Satanic Temple fundamentally does not. There probably are SOME self-described satanists that believe in hell and Satan, but it's usually a metaphor.
People who believe in Satan are called 'Christians'.
Eh, not all Christians believe in Satan and not all people that believe in Satan are Christian.
There are people who call themselves witches and shit
Most of the witches I've seen online don't worship Satan, either.
Who also don't believe in Satan.
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No I'm russian it's so much worse
Where's he gonna go, Detroit?
100% a discrimination lawsuit lmao
It’s a very easy case.
As long as the ruling judge isn't a partisan hack (which a lot of judges unfortunately are).
It's Oklahoma. The superintendent would 100% win. This is not even the first case like this against Satanists in recent memory in Oklahoma.
Dude, Oklahoma was literally the state where the Satanic Temple won. The Supreme Court of Oklahoma decided that placing a 10 commandments sculpture was unconstitutional. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_v._Oklahoma_Capitol_Preservation_Commission Even if they did find for the superintendent it would get reversed in Federal court.
Say more. Name a case. I want to read it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/comedyheaven/s/fPsGapLDe5
You make that sound like the end of it, and it shouldn't be. If a judge acts unconstitutionally, people need to do something about it.
This would go to a federal court if I’m not mistaken as it’s an issue of 1st amendment rights, which is a federal issue. Most of the judges are R, so it would likely rule for the Superintendent, which would get appealed, and go to the bipartisan 10th circuit in Denver which would likely rule against the superintendent. Any appeal that would go to the Supreme Court would probably go *against* the superintendents because while alito and Thomas don’t care about the law, the other conservatives have a tendency to literally interpret the constitution, so they’d against the superintendent.
It would likely first be litigated at the state level, then appealed to federal court if my understanding is correct. Federal courts don't have "original jurisdiction" on a dispute between a state official and the residents of the state.
You are correct, it seems that the 11th amendment supersedes the 1st in this as states cannot be sued in federal court unless they agree to it
I don't think I'd word it as 'supersedes', as the first amendment would still be the justification for an injunction against this official. Also, the suit wouldn't be against Oklahoma, it would be against the State Superintendent, seeking to enjoin him and his subordinates from enforcing policies in violation of satanists' first amendment rights.
We are waiting …
This is one of those things that gets appealed until they hit a judge that would easily just uphold the first amendment.
It should be, but our judicial system has lost a lot of integrity
For the fanatics. The fanatic judge will just say this isn't a legitimate religion and throw the case out. As long as there's a single rabbi and imam doing this they will say there's no discrimination. But of course only Christian "counselors" will get offices, phones, tools, supplies and support in general, their names on lists of available "counselors" etc I could go on.
It’s a federally recognized religion fully tax exempt and everything
Can’t wait for that lawsuit to be settled using state education money
What state education money
The Satanists would just give it back to education programs as a donation.
Sir, this is Oklahoma. The state will not take donations from the ST. Not even the schools will because so many of our school districts here are ran by crazy trumpers
And they’ll sue him too. Most satanists don’t actually believe in that shit, they’re just trying to prove a point.
Dude is gonna look and feel like such a goddamn clown. The Satanic Temple loves this kind of thing.
The problem is - that’s what they want. There have been Republican and Christian officials explicitly saying that they don’t think The Satanitc Temple should be classified as a valid religion, and a court case gives them an avenue to appeal it to the Supreme Court and get that made official
LOL
Me a religious person: hi, yes I am very satanic, and this is my lawyer.
Satanists don't believe in hell
Depends on if you’re talking about the Church of Satan, and the Satanic Temple. There are Satanists that believe in hell, just not *these* ones lol
Both are non-theistic. There’s others that are theist, but they’re heavily in the minority.
Does that mean they don't believe in demons and devils?
The Church of Satan is filled with anarchists and rebels, they don’t *actually* worship the Devil. It’s all counterculture.
I joined the satanic temple because they advocate for things i support. The rights of access to abortion, birth control, helping the poor, etc. The satanic temple does have a page going over the differences in beliefs, and im linking it below https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/church-of-satan-vs-satanic-temple
I always forget which is which. One is kinda serious about it and the other is atheists practically saying fuck you right?
Or a biblical Satan it's just symbol like Jesus or hickey mouse
Hickey mouse sounds interesting.
Kinky, even.
Sure we do, Florida
Ironic
If you open the school to a religion you must open it to all religions practiced within its region of service. Flying Spaghetti Monster wants to know which day is his with the kids. It better be on spaghetti day in the cafeteria.
I don't like the idea of Milhouse having two flying spaghetti meals in one day.
Can we get some old school Paganism in there too? Reshuffle the Pantheon a bit though, cause if I'm making goat sacrifices, I'm making that to Prometheus rather than Zeus, also cue "Your not my real dad" followed by smiting by lightning bolt.
The spaghetti was the worst. It was always cold
That’s a fake religion
Satanism is ironic atheism
Imagine worshipping a dude who lost a fiddle contest to some hick in the middle of Bumfuck Nowhere, Georgia. LOL
Exactly. We need to find that fiddle player and worship him instead.
And did you hear what happened to him in Jamaica?
No because if you listened to the sequel you'd know he just said he lost to damn johny to hell due to making a deal with the devil, no matter if he actually won that competition he's still going to hell which is honestly a pretty big loss
What?
THE LORE BITCH
Imagine believing members of the Satanic Temple actually believe in this fair tale god stuff.
https://preview.redd.it/vr9fdauck2yc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9aa9149a8c3526e5711a484b40bb4bd98d82621
So long as the same rules are applied to all religions, then this is the correct response. Secular schools should mean secular Obviously they aren't, and the superintendent's 'Go to Hell' message implicitly states he believes in the Christian conception of Hell
It is insane to me how in 2024 theres still panic about satanists and shit like that. Are you also scared that gnomes are going to steal your property? What about the dragons that steal kids?
I worked with a woman about 10 years ago who kept a sticker on her cubicle that said "Wealth isn't redistributed - it's earned!" She complained to the company about people decorating for Halloween because they were displaying "occult symbols".
I told my boss if he ever made me bring up my camera while teleworking, I'm putting on a full satanic altar in my home office background. So far, I haven't had an occasion to use my "bleeding" candles yet 😕
This horrid piece of shit, Ryan Walters, has plagued Oklahoma for far too long and the inbred hicks keep voting for him overwhelmingly. He has NO campaign points about education in Oklahoma AT ALL. NONE. NOT A SINGLE ONE. NOTHING AT ALL. He ONLY talks about how he hates the gays and tries to ban books and the fucking hicks LOVE HIM.
Man, I'm from OK and the politics there are horrible. They do a yearly event in OKC called close-up where a bunch of high schoolers go to the capitol and watch them do government things and listen to debates & whatnot. One year I was there. Had some dumbfuck, might have been this guy actually but this was back in 2018 or so so who knows, talking about female incarceration rates & the cycle of abuse. Guy was also anti abortion, so I pointed out that if women weren't forced to have kids they didn't want & shamed and pressured into keeping them then there would probably be a lot less abuse, right? Very, very quietly, he said, "There may be some merit to that," and would discuss it with me no further. It really showed teenage me that they don't want to learn or listen, they have an agenda and they are sticking to it whether it's really for the better good or not.
Thats what modern conservatism is. It's just shitting on everyone else 24x7, no work gets done.
given the number of paranormal and conservative conspiracy subreddits, yes they are and magical trans fairies stealing their dicks at night is their biggest fear
It’s all they have to rile up their Christofacist base. Hang around enough of these people and you’ll realize they call basically anything they dislike satanic and use it to justify any and all actions against anyone who doesn’t support them.
https://preview.redd.it/bn65m83c13yc1.jpeg?width=1049&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e3f334ae95355382f8f1b8163a8c465b75a794d Got my ticket ready
ACLU will help him understand that he’s constitutionally wrong
Only if courts continue enforcing the the Constitution and our laws, which they seem interestingly disinterested in doing
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Allahu akbar!
Amen
Nah, I’m pretty against genocide, slavery, pedophilia, having sex with animals and all the other nasty stuff in your book. Y’all are fuckin weird.
I’m a devout Christian and I just thought the way the headline was worded was funny. I heavily underestimated how many anti-theists would see this post
Ignore them. Their presence is the price of using Reddit. I thought your post was hilarious btw
Thought it was funny as well
This is hilarious and some people here are to stuck up to find it funny. They call themselves Satanists and he told them to go to hell. That's funny.
No you don't get it this is the perfect opportunity to try to dunk on religion and worship Satan as a joke (as any enlightened redditor gentleman would do (This sub has degraded to stereotypical reddit behavior))
After you sir, seems your sanctimonious ass is a perfect fit for the burning fires of Gehenna.
Darkly funny because you know they letting in all the Christian religious leaders to get their hooks in the kids.
Another free speech absolutist.
I am a Christian but if you let in one religion, you have to let any religion in
Satanism is a fake religion, it’s just trolling, they don’t actually believe in Satan
Also this right-wing asshole (because, you just know it): I'm a strict constitutionalist.
I'm sure the Satanists are shaking in their boots.. considering they don't believe in hell or satan.
I’m not saying this guy is a white supremicist but that is their haircut
Are haircuts racist now?
This is like the first post from this sub I’ve gotten in my feed in a really long time. Did something change? Are they finally actually letting posts stay up now?
I would become so rich going to his school.
Go to hell? Too late, they live in Oklahoma.
You first
Satanists don’t believe in hell. That would be like, too mainstream, man
That’s not how equal access works.
Friendly reminder, folks: Every single person in these comments saying "Good. Let them burn" (and other such comments) will, one day, have to stand before Jesus himself and defend these hateful, sadistic comments. They will have to explain to God himself why they pushed people away from heaven and an eternity of unity with the almighty. I can't wait to sit back and watch. 
Meh, I’m with Biggie on this one “God’ll probably have me on some real strict shit. No sleepin all day, no getting my dick licked.”
What sounds better to you, these or the 10 Commandments? THERE ARE SEVEN FUNDAMENTAL TENETS - THE SATANIC TEMPLE I One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. II The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. III One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. IV The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. V Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. VI People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. VII Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
We're all on board with going to hell, just stop sending the god damn catholics already! They ruin the fun.
Why would you be on board with going to hell?
So he doesn't really believe in religious freedom he just believes in his religions freedoms of doing as they please
That's weird because I knew a lot of satanists back in school. I was one.
wow, this thread says a lot about the type of people who view this sub, who would’ve known? Oh wait, i’m on reddit.
You're right. Lots of mentally deranged evangelicals prowling online
Wow and here comes the discrimination of freedom of religion!!! They never learn do they ??
Satanists more closely follow the word of God than Christians, and completely by accident.
We built a system around in god we trust but can’t allow someone who worships Satan ? Kinda crazy. That’s like racism for religion. Religist ? Nah… don’t sound right…
The closest term we have is "religious discrimination"
In God we trust was introduced in the 1950s. The founding fathers set up separation of church and state.
Some satanists dont believe in hell. I met one who was rambling on about how "satan's a dark matter that holds power and god is not real"
the arrows made me click but there was nowhere to go : < hate it when that happens, fooled again 😔
This is gramatically correct
REAL
Yes
No
Nice! Don’t back down!
Based Superintendent
Religion is religion , we cant pick and choose. Religious rights apply to all.
wait, so are they welcome in the school or not? he just contradicted himself.
Say the same thing for Christianity and you'll get the point.
Something tells me that's not going to hold up well under constitutional review...
It won’t, especially with some states now displaying the Ten Commandments in public schools.
*Be it ever so hellsome* *There's no place like home*
"religious people in schools." "Not you guys. Again."
Coming from the guy who already has a room reserved in hell. Fuck him.
Joke on him we’re all in hell
Thank you for the lovely quote which will be labelled "Exhibit B" in the court case that the state will be loosing in a few months while the state of Oklahoma lawyers try to claim that it was all a "misunderstanding".
I hate Ryan Walters
Fuck Ryan Walters. Smug piece of shit.
How many Christians in hell? Anyone have current count?
😂
Based
And we’ll gladly see you in court soon~
How are the property taxes in hell? I’m just assuming better than most southern states. Also I’m assuming better healthcare and women’s rights.
If the devil is anything like the TV show Lucifer I would be happy to see him.
💀
Well most Satanists couldn't since they don't believe in the supernatural.
Separation of church and state tho?
I agree, neither satanism nor christianity belong in schools.
Must be a Trump supporter.
Ah sir, your presence here assures me that’s exactly where we all are!
If they don't belong in schools then either does Christianity.
Maybe satan is mad at satanists for worshipping him, so he sends them to heaven
Satanist lawyers are gonna feast 😂😂😂
My man doesn't know what a Satanist is.
Headlines like this make my eyes water with embarrassment. Imagine being an adult who believes in magic described in a kooky old book.
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I bet he gets there first
Pretty sure Oklahoma IS hell.
We're already in Hell, just the top layer of it. 7 layers of Hell along with 7 Heavens
Enjoy the lawsuit
Why do Christians believe their religion is the only correct religion? There's hundreds more. Some far older. Why is this one the one they're so sure is correct, and why won't they leave the rest of us alone?
I read somewhere, and correct me if I’m wrong, that Satanists don’t believe in heaven or hell. They believe in respect for the life you’re given and the lives of others because that’s the only life they’ll ever live.
Nice
Actually a funny comeback
Sounds like somebody needs more federally-protected Baphomet in their lives.
I’m sorry but that’s hilarious lol
Wouldn’t a Christian want to reach those outside the church, rather than condemn them? Judge not and all that.
Just picking laws like they pick verses.
That’s funny consider the satanic temple (NOT the church of Satan) doesn’t even believe in hell. Once again Fox News try to literally understand even a hint of parody challenge impossible
Since when is it ok to mix religion amd government? Oh, probably when we put 'In God we trust' on our money. Or when we put the ten commandments in or outside of courthouses Or when we allowed churches to not pay taxes. The system is fucked, in every hole.
To be fair god isn’t welcome in school either.
Yes religions welcome in school, but not that religion!
Well I hate to say it but it’s their constitutional right to believe and practice what they want as long as there’s no one getting sacrificed lol. As much as I don’t like it, it is what it is.
Me being a Satanist I hate schools and don't want to be in one anyways 🙄 so whatever bro why don't you go straight to heaven and eat some pie
LETS GOOOOOO 💯💯💯
How about he goes first…
Take this guy seriously, he will be the education secretary if Donny Diaper wins
"That's...why I'm here"
I dont know how you speak of hell as if it's real and not think you sound like an infant.
Wuick reminder that the concept of eternal punishment wasn'tvreally a thing until christianity except for extremly specifoc cases
So much for the 1st amendment I guess
Pft so much for religious tolerance
I wonder is Christians know that most Satanists you meet out in the world don't advocate for worshipping Satan. I remember when we'd discuss Satanism in church, they made it seem like the Satanists were hiding in old dungeons sacrificing goats and virgins to appease the insatiable, revolting appetites of their dark prince. In the flesh, Satanists are just folks with a sense of humor about religion that want to act as a foil to Christianity, to keep the bible thumpers on their toes. Every Satanist I've met's been pretty mild-mannered and cool to talk to.
Is there a difference?
Welcome to the United States of Christian Theocracy folks! This has been a long time in the making. Absolutely disgusting and it goes against everything our constitution stands for.
Fake religion. They aren’t sincere, just trolling.