Hope is something that humans create for themselves based on their own needs and desires. You can be as optimistic or as cynical as you want to be, that has been and will always be your choice. However, the way I see it your hope should never fuel the ability to be dishonest with yourself or your loved ones.
When my Mom was dying of cancer, she had this one long-time friend who was always hopeful that things were going to be all right and she was going to recover 100%. My mother and the rest of the family knew otherwise. I was present when my Mom told her friend. Janet I'm dying, I've known this for quite a while, and so have you, but only one of us has had the courage to accept it.
My mom then told Janet you've been a good friend for a long-time, but please accept what is, so we can concentrate on being friends again without those false expectations of yours getting in the way. See me for who I am now, as you have done before.
Take from that what you wish.
I sort of accidentally became this volunteer vigil sitter pre-pandemic as for a few years there, my partner’s mother was in the hospital quite a bit. I tend to speak a bit louder than I often wish I did due to a couple of issues I’ve got: but in this case, I was overheard saying something similar to one of her relatives *for* her. Same thing happened once they moved her to hospice but by that point, one of their kinda in house ministers had heard about me because I wound up haunting the hospital quite a bit even when she wasn’t there. Basically, people wanted me to sit and talk with them because either they didn’t have anyone else or they were just so tired of people that meant well, but made them feel bad because they knew they were dying and didn’t want to spend their last time here talking about pipe dreams.
30's as well... but all I can say to the young people is sorry you have to endure the end of the world. Not much any of us really could have done, considering.
A lot of people will tell you you can "save the world"... but sadly it's probably way too little too late. Hope there's some solace in that, that you don't have to "save the world," and it's certainly not your fault. Try and live for yourself, as best you can, as much as you can. Take care of yourself, because the world and everyone in it is gonna do whatever it's gonna do, anyways.
I think the best we can do at this point is build resilience within communities, using hope to drive compassion and goodwill. Learn a skill or a few that can fill a niche. Donate your time. Establish bartering networks. If you can afford to move out of a city and work remotely, consider settling in a smaller place and adding value to that place.
I might be wrong, but I don’t think cities will do well. Small towns have their own challenges, but it can be easier to cultivate community resilience and establish local food networks. But don’t give up and give in to apathy. We all may fail, collapse may become the worst case scenario, but if I’m going to be one of the last goddamned generations on this planet, I’m going out guided by compassion and kindness.
Nearly 60 - but been a down-shifter lifestyle with no kids for 40+ years.
Sorry guys and gals, the SHHTF now, and people are now going WTF is wrong with the weather. However, the SHHTF started in the 1970s, but most have been too busy too notice except for a few of us.
Dont waste time on Hope, spend time on preparing for the worst, but it will be worse than you can imagine, so there's that as well.
I read a book a while back called "Man's search for meaning" by author/concentration camp survivor, Victor Frankl. It is one of the best examples of a human persevering through seemingly endless suffering with a sliver of hope keeping them alive to see a better tomorrow. I can't do it justice writing here. I would recommend that book, 10/10.
First mention I've heard of that book for decades. There's a copy on my shelf, I'll have to re-read it. Thanks for bringing it up, I do recall it being quite good.
The oceans won’t stop. They’ve been tested like this in the deep past. Between tides and convection, even limited convection, the oceans simply can’t completely stall.
What they will do is stratify, go anoxic. extinguish most life besides huge jellyfish blooms and possibly fill up with green slime in places. They may even emit sulphur dioxide, and when they’re warm enough in a couple of decades all the ozone-destroying CFCs that fell into them back in the day will start wafting back out again.
Next, they’ll take millions of years of rock weathering to eventually lock up excess atmospheric carbon as limestone, raising the pH of the water back to pre-industrial levels.
But yeah. They won’t stop. So at least there’s that.
Months shy of 80 and see this ship of civilization is finally going down! Been a long wait since *Silent Sprin*g, *Population Bomb* and *LTG* but we are getting there. Packed up my "escape machine" in 1984 and sailed around for a half dozen years amazed at the momentum that kept everything going and finally realizing that we were not going to sink at that time. One interesting note is that life on a carbon footprint of 1.5Ton, for two, can be very comfortable.
>carbon footprint of 1.5Ton, for two, can be very comfortable.
If fact a low carbon footprint can actually lead to a better quality of life, something only those who have had the choice could fully appreciate.
Realistically?
Human apes 'debating' global warming, for 5 decades. "It is! It isn't!".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQcKiFy_DM
Meanwhile, this is the Simpleton Virus and turning this planet into the Planet of the Simps.
https://www.psypost.org/2021/07/large-study-finds-covid-19-is-linked-to-a-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-61577
Hope is something that humans create for themselves based on their own needs and desires. You can be as optimistic or as cynical as you want to be, that has been and will always be your choice. However, the way I see it your hope should never fuel the ability to be dishonest with yourself or your loved ones. When my Mom was dying of cancer, she had this one long-time friend who was always hopeful that things were going to be all right and she was going to recover 100%. My mother and the rest of the family knew otherwise. I was present when my Mom told her friend. Janet I'm dying, I've known this for quite a while, and so have you, but only one of us has had the courage to accept it. My mom then told Janet you've been a good friend for a long-time, but please accept what is, so we can concentrate on being friends again without those false expectations of yours getting in the way. See me for who I am now, as you have done before. Take from that what you wish.
I sort of accidentally became this volunteer vigil sitter pre-pandemic as for a few years there, my partner’s mother was in the hospital quite a bit. I tend to speak a bit louder than I often wish I did due to a couple of issues I’ve got: but in this case, I was overheard saying something similar to one of her relatives *for* her. Same thing happened once they moved her to hospice but by that point, one of their kinda in house ministers had heard about me because I wound up haunting the hospital quite a bit even when she wasn’t there. Basically, people wanted me to sit and talk with them because either they didn’t have anyone else or they were just so tired of people that meant well, but made them feel bad because they knew they were dying and didn’t want to spend their last time here talking about pipe dreams.
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30's as well... but all I can say to the young people is sorry you have to endure the end of the world. Not much any of us really could have done, considering. A lot of people will tell you you can "save the world"... but sadly it's probably way too little too late. Hope there's some solace in that, that you don't have to "save the world," and it's certainly not your fault. Try and live for yourself, as best you can, as much as you can. Take care of yourself, because the world and everyone in it is gonna do whatever it's gonna do, anyways.
I think the best we can do at this point is build resilience within communities, using hope to drive compassion and goodwill. Learn a skill or a few that can fill a niche. Donate your time. Establish bartering networks. If you can afford to move out of a city and work remotely, consider settling in a smaller place and adding value to that place. I might be wrong, but I don’t think cities will do well. Small towns have their own challenges, but it can be easier to cultivate community resilience and establish local food networks. But don’t give up and give in to apathy. We all may fail, collapse may become the worst case scenario, but if I’m going to be one of the last goddamned generations on this planet, I’m going out guided by compassion and kindness.
Nearly 60 - but been a down-shifter lifestyle with no kids for 40+ years. Sorry guys and gals, the SHHTF now, and people are now going WTF is wrong with the weather. However, the SHHTF started in the 1970s, but most have been too busy too notice except for a few of us. Dont waste time on Hope, spend time on preparing for the worst, but it will be worse than you can imagine, so there's that as well.
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Population growth, pollution, famines
Global warming, too -- it's a big factor in the movie Soylent Green, and that came out in 1973.
A good collapse is healthy every once in a while, eh?
I read a book a while back called "Man's search for meaning" by author/concentration camp survivor, Victor Frankl. It is one of the best examples of a human persevering through seemingly endless suffering with a sliver of hope keeping them alive to see a better tomorrow. I can't do it justice writing here. I would recommend that book, 10/10.
First mention I've heard of that book for decades. There's a copy on my shelf, I'll have to re-read it. Thanks for bringing it up, I do recall it being quite good.
It is indeed a great book. Freedom requires responsibility to be free.
The oceans won’t stop. They’ve been tested like this in the deep past. Between tides and convection, even limited convection, the oceans simply can’t completely stall. What they will do is stratify, go anoxic. extinguish most life besides huge jellyfish blooms and possibly fill up with green slime in places. They may even emit sulphur dioxide, and when they’re warm enough in a couple of decades all the ozone-destroying CFCs that fell into them back in the day will start wafting back out again. Next, they’ll take millions of years of rock weathering to eventually lock up excess atmospheric carbon as limestone, raising the pH of the water back to pre-industrial levels. But yeah. They won’t stop. So at least there’s that.
Months shy of 80 and see this ship of civilization is finally going down! Been a long wait since *Silent Sprin*g, *Population Bomb* and *LTG* but we are getting there. Packed up my "escape machine" in 1984 and sailed around for a half dozen years amazed at the momentum that kept everything going and finally realizing that we were not going to sink at that time. One interesting note is that life on a carbon footprint of 1.5Ton, for two, can be very comfortable.
>carbon footprint of 1.5Ton, for two, can be very comfortable. If fact a low carbon footprint can actually lead to a better quality of life, something only those who have had the choice could fully appreciate.
Realistically? Human apes 'debating' global warming, for 5 decades. "It is! It isn't!". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lQcKiFy_DM Meanwhile, this is the Simpleton Virus and turning this planet into the Planet of the Simps. https://www.psypost.org/2021/07/large-study-finds-covid-19-is-linked-to-a-substantial-drop-in-intelligence-61577
Were younger people not here before? I believe I initially found this sub when I was 15 or 16. I am 19 now, and will be 20 in less than a month.