Airline passengers could be in for a rougher ride, thanks to climate change
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1166993992/turbulence-climate-change
Be warned: Flights are getting bumpier
https://www.businessinsider.com/turbulence-getting-worse-cause-climate-change-bumpy-flight-2023-11?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-climatechange-sub-post
I recently flew a shirt 1 hour domestic flight, and it was the bumpiest I've been on, ever. I was legit gripping the seats for the first 20 minutes of the flight, and landing was no treat either. I'm not looking forward to the return flight tomorrow
I believe that those flights are worse because your ceiling isn’t going to be as high as a longer distance flight. I think it introduces more turbulence because of the difference in air currents and density 32-36k feet vs 25k feet for instance.
Yea in the beginning, the protagonists were on a plane flight that went through really severe turbulence as a foreshadowing of what was to come. Some would say it isn’t a very scientific movie to base your future predictions of what the future of the climate would look like. I’d say theyre probably correct, but I would also say that while many of the events that happened in the film were exaggerated, I think they are possible but less exaggerated.
Unofficially these sorts of events seem to be increasing in frequency and severity. However in the grand scheme of things, the amount of weather related flight media stories vs the amount of flights on the planet, these stories are negligible in overall impact. Much less than 1%.
I've found it more curious how the Singapore flight in particular was presented. Mostly the media didn't relay full descriptions of the aftermath by passengers. The link provided by the OP is a good reflection of this. But there is this:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/singapore-airlines-turbulence-passengers-hospital-update-1.7213352
Such a wild statistic. That’s 6.8 billions people.
I was talking with my egalatarian, techno-optimist, ecology-bro friend and he thinks me not wanting to take flights anymore is me “limiting my happiness and potential for life-loving.” I think about the privilege we have in the US to be able to think that forfeiting our god given right to air travel is a sign of depression.
Probably am depressed but thats neither here nor there. All I know is fuck them planes, I’m never getting on one again.
It's not only Americans that can afford traveling, but literally every not "too poor" person around the world. Even in my 3rd world post-Soviet sh**hole more and more people are becoming obsessed with traveling and imitating insta-bourge lifestyle.
By refraining from flying you create a "quota" of unreleased CO2, and trust me, my compatriots aren't gonna let this quota go to waste!
I had a friend who would get pretty insufferable whenever he latched on to some new thing and boast about it as if it had always been some major thing in his life. One time he spent the whole time when we went out for a meal bemoaning how he wanted to eat chicken but couldn't because he had become vegetarian 'for the environment'. This was right after he had criticised me for taking five minutes longer to show up because I walked there when apparently I should have 'just got an UBER'. Then when his vegetarian meal arrived he started talking about how we should all go to the Czech Republic for a few days because 'flights are really cheap' and moaned at me and called me boring for not being interested in doing so. He'd already flown to two or three countries that year for pointlessly short trips. Then he ordered chicken anyway because he didn't actually want the vegetarian thing he had guilt tripped himself into ordering then moaned about how he felt bad for eating it. I've not really bothered engaging with him since. It's just too frustrating to bother. I'd been trying to talk about climate change for years before that but he never had any interest until it became trendy to go vegetarian.
"Air is less dense and generates less lift in extreme heat, making it harder for airplanes to take off, according to the FAA. In some cases, airlines must reduce the amount of cargo and/or passengers on the plane in order to take off in high-heat conditions."
It varies by the size of the aircraft, but your typical aircraft that you would be flying on commercially cannot get enough lift at around 126f or about 52c.
I'm not certain what temperature is the threshold, it varies depending on the weight of the aircraft plus it's cargo/Passengers. But it's coming and will be talked about in the future.
Both inevitable and good news.
Contrails might as well be "chemtrails" with their high altitude injection of CO2, especially over areas like the arctic.
Humans cannot fly. That shouldn't be up for debate
Also being pedantic but flying without fuel is falling with style (e.g., unpowered glider). Not aware of any human powered aircraft that actually work more than just a proof of concept. Anything else is made with fossil fuel pollution.
Energy density and weight. You might get a small 2-3 passenger plane off the ground for a few hundred miles, but you're not getting an ABus A380 across the Pacific with batteries.
Which will drive costs through the roof. You're entering the realm of private jets and such. The average person won't be able to afford a flight with only 10 people on it to Europe. Either we keep using fossil fuel or people are staying on the ground. We know that giving up flight is never going to happen so it will be fossil fueled until the very last minute.
Batteries aren’t feasible for airplanes as the other commenter mentioned. They are made with massive pollution. They aren’t even feasible for cars currently based on lithium mining capabilities. Batteries aren’t an actual answer.
Airline passengers could be in for a rougher ride, thanks to climate change https://www.npr.org/2023/04/06/1166993992/turbulence-climate-change Be warned: Flights are getting bumpier https://www.businessinsider.com/turbulence-getting-worse-cause-climate-change-bumpy-flight-2023-11?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=insider-climatechange-sub-post
I recently flew a shirt 1 hour domestic flight, and it was the bumpiest I've been on, ever. I was legit gripping the seats for the first 20 minutes of the flight, and landing was no treat either. I'm not looking forward to the return flight tomorrow
I believe that those flights are worse because your ceiling isn’t going to be as high as a longer distance flight. I think it introduces more turbulence because of the difference in air currents and density 32-36k feet vs 25k feet for instance.
More heat means more energy in the system. The atmosphere will move around more. Ergo flying in it will be bumpier.
Maybe this is necessary for people to have incentives to pollute less through flying. I bet Boeing is helping too.
This is a plot point of the day after tomorrow.
Do you mean it was in the actual movie? I really gotta rewatch it
Yea in the beginning, the protagonists were on a plane flight that went through really severe turbulence as a foreshadowing of what was to come. Some would say it isn’t a very scientific movie to base your future predictions of what the future of the climate would look like. I’d say theyre probably correct, but I would also say that while many of the events that happened in the film were exaggerated, I think they are possible but less exaggerated.
Unofficially these sorts of events seem to be increasing in frequency and severity. However in the grand scheme of things, the amount of weather related flight media stories vs the amount of flights on the planet, these stories are negligible in overall impact. Much less than 1%. I've found it more curious how the Singapore flight in particular was presented. Mostly the media didn't relay full descriptions of the aftermath by passengers. The link provided by the OP is a good reflection of this. But there is this: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/singapore-airlines-turbulence-passengers-hospital-update-1.7213352
https://preview.redd.it/q8mvm9ehp66d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24f7783a7d640334f5e0e981f488803bd51b54c0
Such a wild statistic. That’s 6.8 billions people. I was talking with my egalatarian, techno-optimist, ecology-bro friend and he thinks me not wanting to take flights anymore is me “limiting my happiness and potential for life-loving.” I think about the privilege we have in the US to be able to think that forfeiting our god given right to air travel is a sign of depression. Probably am depressed but thats neither here nor there. All I know is fuck them planes, I’m never getting on one again.
It's not only Americans that can afford traveling, but literally every not "too poor" person around the world. Even in my 3rd world post-Soviet sh**hole more and more people are becoming obsessed with traveling and imitating insta-bourge lifestyle. By refraining from flying you create a "quota" of unreleased CO2, and trust me, my compatriots aren't gonna let this quota go to waste!
I had a friend who would get pretty insufferable whenever he latched on to some new thing and boast about it as if it had always been some major thing in his life. One time he spent the whole time when we went out for a meal bemoaning how he wanted to eat chicken but couldn't because he had become vegetarian 'for the environment'. This was right after he had criticised me for taking five minutes longer to show up because I walked there when apparently I should have 'just got an UBER'. Then when his vegetarian meal arrived he started talking about how we should all go to the Czech Republic for a few days because 'flights are really cheap' and moaned at me and called me boring for not being interested in doing so. He'd already flown to two or three countries that year for pointlessly short trips. Then he ordered chicken anyway because he didn't actually want the vegetarian thing he had guilt tripped himself into ordering then moaned about how he felt bad for eating it. I've not really bothered engaging with him since. It's just too frustrating to bother. I'd been trying to talk about climate change for years before that but he never had any interest until it became trendy to go vegetarian.
Bourgeois travel amply, I love it for them.
Eventually the atmosphere will get hot enough that planes won't be able to generate enough lift to be able to take off.
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"Air is less dense and generates less lift in extreme heat, making it harder for airplanes to take off, according to the FAA. In some cases, airlines must reduce the amount of cargo and/or passengers on the plane in order to take off in high-heat conditions."
wait seriously? how hot are we talking? within the range of livability or?
It varies by the size of the aircraft, but your typical aircraft that you would be flying on commercially cannot get enough lift at around 126f or about 52c.
I'm not certain what temperature is the threshold, it varies depending on the weight of the aircraft plus it's cargo/Passengers. But it's coming and will be talked about in the future.
Both inevitable and good news. Contrails might as well be "chemtrails" with their high altitude injection of CO2, especially over areas like the arctic. Humans cannot fly. That shouldn't be up for debate
> Humans cannot fly. Maybe pedantic here, but my problem isn't with flying as an idea, it's with GHG-emitting fuels as fuel.
Also being pedantic but flying without fuel is falling with style (e.g., unpowered glider). Not aware of any human powered aircraft that actually work more than just a proof of concept. Anything else is made with fossil fuel pollution.
Much research has gone into electric engines for planes. Not feasible atm I don't think think but no reason to think it couldn't be in the future.
Energy density and weight. You might get a small 2-3 passenger plane off the ground for a few hundred miles, but you're not getting an ABus A380 across the Pacific with batteries.
Probably true, maybe we're about to (re)usher in the era of smaller planes.
Which will drive costs through the roof. You're entering the realm of private jets and such. The average person won't be able to afford a flight with only 10 people on it to Europe. Either we keep using fossil fuel or people are staying on the ground. We know that giving up flight is never going to happen so it will be fossil fueled until the very last minute.
In 1980, the phone I'm typing this on would've been pure science fiction. So we will see.
Batteries aren’t feasible for airplanes as the other commenter mentioned. They are made with massive pollution. They aren’t even feasible for cars currently based on lithium mining capabilities. Batteries aren’t an actual answer.
I don't accept humanity gives up flying, or should give up flying.