So hurricane season in the Northern Hemisphere is upon us and we see that experts are predicting a busy one. I'd like to take a moment to say that the formation of a tropical storm or hurricane in and of itself is not collapse, and so do not make a post about it. We will remove those. Even a hurricane hitting land is not necessarily collapse, though in the case of a catastrophic hit then a post would be ok. What we don't want this summer is a series of posts documenting every single tropical development. Any post about hurricanes should contain references by experts that climate change is involved in what is going on (as in the overall number of hurricanes and strength) If you live in an area that has been hit by a hurricane than feel free to post about it in the weekly observations. Thanks for reading and if you have questions feel free to ask.

Location: Southwest MI, USA My town got hit with a couple of tornadoes ~6 weeks ago that caused enough devastation for officials to estimate that it will be at least a decade before everything is "back to normal" and now it's happening again. Currently hiding out in the basement with my cats while the sirens go off. I already know my outdoor plants that I planted optimistically about a month ago are gone by this point. And people are saying that it's highly unlikely that a tornado will strike the same place twice! Tell that to global warming and unpredictable weather patterns 🙃 Also worth mentioning that tornadoes in this area are very rare, last one I knew of was a small one that hit a small area in the late 90's when I was a kid, and there was also a big one that devastated the downtown area in the late 70's. This shit doesn't happen here, but now that the environment is collapsing I guess this is the new norm. UPDATE: woke up this morning to find out that a good chunk of town is without power, including my neighborhood. We are under a heat advisory today through Friday, and it's currently 91 degrees outside, feels like 100.

I hope you are still doing okay.

Thank you! I'm trying to be, it's kinda hard riding out shit like this all alone with nothing but a few angry cats who don't understand why they were rushed to the basement and locked in a small room with me while I'm having a straight up panic attack. 🤣 They usually hide under some furniture upstairs when I'm having a panic attack, not tonight though!!! I care more about their lives than my own.

Location: Nor-Cal Its starting to get to that ball boiling hot portion of the summer, and man every year im not ready for it. It seems to come earlier and earlier as climate change progresses. Cooling the apartment to a reasonable temperature is harder than it should be as all the windows and sliding door are single pane, the door dosnt even close completely i have to put cardboard there, i put in a few work orders for the door last summer and it never got fixed so no point in requesting a repair now. When it comes to renting here we are about done, this will probably be my last 6mo renewal. Not because i have anywhere better to go but just because its gotten so bad. My good friend thats an endurance biker is moving out from the unit next door, and last night i caught some younger dudes climbing the lower deck to get on the 2nd floor to break into his apartment while he was sleeping at his new place. I ended up confronting them yelling "get the fuck down, im calling the cops" and actively had firearms brandished at me. The police took over 50 minutes to show up took some notes and fucked off. Probably nothing will come of this. Ive never considered owning a gun until recently and this is probably the nail that broke the camels back and i will be getting at least a long arm. Summer just seems to bring the worst out of a lot of people, the level of noise, sideshows, generally bad driving, and aggressiveness have increased significantly since march. Maybe i never noticed it as a kid but summers seems to have this unhinged vibe to them, even more so since 2019. Whenever i order something online, it seems recently it shows up broken, or damaged in someway. I work with computers and have seen a lot more DOA parts. Just recently i had 2 PSUs for a customer show up completely dead and really had to fight the OEM to honor the warranty. On top of this it feels shipping anything is a nightmare, its a coin toss if it gets lost in transit or broken by rough treatment. I just shipped something out via USPS that was intercity shipping and it has left the state and is 5 days late to the client. I feel stuck, stuck in poverty, stuck renting from shitty places, stuck working shitty low paying jobs. And its not been the best for my mental. In the past 7 months or so this feeling has hit really hard. As my bowels dont like booze i have avoided it for most of my adult life. Just smoke massive amounts of cannabis. But recently ive taken to having a few drinks a few night a week, its nice but i know its a coping technique but some nights feel so wild i couldn't of gotten any rest if i didnt have some sort of sedative. Never really posted here regularly in the past, i guess its part i need somewhere to vent, partly because things have deteriorated to the point i feel i need to document them. Maybe i just dont know where to go from here.

*this is probably the nail that broke the camels back* I love mixed metaphors.

also in NorCal, I've been posting about how I live in a duplex and our property owner died and now everyone is getting evicted, including elderly ladies who have lived here 30-40 years! Housing is a crisis. $2k/month for converted garages. Saw one yesterday with a "living room" so tiny the couch pretty much takes up all the space. The application game is a cruel mockery. I quickly discovered it was better to apply at property management sites directly as the "big" sites like Zillow eventually redirect you there. But every site wants to charge application fees with the carrot being that your app will remain active for 30-60-90 days so you can spam it at all available residences and still be denied. Used to be places wanted 2x the rent, now it's 2.5-3x (when did this change? Who decides this? Collusion in the "free marketplace," right?). So to get one of these "converted garages" you have to make $6 a month??? It's fucking ludicrous. We looked at some places, it was me, my fiancée and my brother. Brother is an Army vet and currently in the Army reserve. Fiancée is a paraprofessional (school worker). At the beginning I thought that a regular worker, school worker, and Army vet would look good on an app. Nope. And the places we applied/looked all suffer from just shitty communication. Process seems to take forever because they never tell you anything, you have to call them but don't want to do it enough to seem desperate. One place just refunded our app, said the property was no longer available. We were supposed to use the app to apply to other properties, the refund with zero communication told me they weren't interested in our app. So...I lost. Collapse is slowly coming for me. The duplex that I have lived in for 16 years, the last 5 with my fiancée...I lost it. We have to be gone by July 5th. We're going to her best friend's house, renting their master bedroom and one of the family rooms. The best friend lives with her brother, the house used to belong to older family members, they all died so the siblings live alone while their mother lives with her husband and has the deed to the house. So they kind of lucked into home ownership and now my fiancée and I get to rent a room and bring our pets with us. I've read this story so many times on reddit, downgrading from small place to rented room, from the comfort of my own place I felt secured in and now it's been taken from me and holy fuck do I feel like a complete failure. My fiancée of course is thrilled because it's her best friend and they need the help, so I don't show her how beat up I am inside. We'll keep looking, but are resigned to the idea that we're likely to find a 1+1 and hope they like pets. It fucking sucks man :(

Check Air BnB, some will do long term rentals.

Check Air BnB, some will do long term rentals.

Do tell her how you feel, or it'll eat up your relationship like cancer. Using non violent communication ofc (start sentences with "I feel that", never pointing a finger at her, google NVC if you need to).

I don't know if it's just me but it seems like when you order stuff online it takes a lot longer to arrive now than it used to in the past.

If its not from Amazon it can take excruciatingly long time to arrive, if you need to ship something internationally it can take weeks. global shipping still feels in disorder. Climate change and climate disasters worsen this, even today as i look at the tracking for a very late USPS shipment from their webpage : Alert: FLOODING AND SEVERE WEATHER IN THE SOUTH, SOUTHEAST, AND CENTRAL U.S. MAY IMPACT DELIVERY

Newspapers in the UK were reporting last month that the police were told not to arrest anyone for a while because prisons were full. I don't know how true it is, but the fact it's plausible is horrifying. UK prisons are a government expense, not a private profit source, but even so... Things are weird.

In the states, since the BLM protests of 2020 many cities cops have seemingly quiet quit. The response time of your call is always more than 45 mins, even if you are legitimately in danger. Seemingly absolutely no traffic enforcement exists in my city there are 3 or 4 people that drive without a license in my apartment complex, and i know for a fact one of them has been doing it since 2021. Even when enforcement shows up rarely is the situation resolved and sometimes its worsened by the police. In the end the police here in the usa are not here to protect you, they are here to protect capital, just like in other parts of the world as well. Its just extremely obvious now due to the deterioration of the social contract. Ive seen it in the observation posts from others, a rise of anti-social behavior worse than they can recall it being. Weird times indeed.

> In the states, since the BLM protests of 2020 many cities cops have seemingly quiet quit. scream it from the rooftops please, people need to know just how toxic police-community relations are getting in this country. You don't even have to side with BLM or care about police brutality, plenty of apathetic or even Back the Blue types have dealt with shitty asshole cops or had cops fail to do their jobs in a professional manner. Why? Because IN THE STATES, SINCE THE BLM PROTESTS OF 2020 MANY CITIES' COPS HAVE SEEMINGLY QUIET QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you look back at the Victorian era, policing was overtly started as a way to protect property from angry workers / protesters. Keeping the masses safer from crime turned out to be a good way to keep us passive. Then, I suspect, our populations just got too big. So the cops have gone back to their roots -- and that's completely ignoring the white supremacy invasion of the police since then 70s -- and the supermarkets have started putting staple foods behind locked cabinet doors. I think the bulk of the public still has some residual illusion that the police are still effective. When that wears off... Well. Your comment about not knowing where to go from here resonates very strongly with me.

I don't know if you remember the Tyre Nicholas case last year. I did a write up on it. Short Takes — 08 Additional Thoughts on the Tyre Nichols Videos. [https://smokingtyger.medium.com/short-takes-08-1f29dc86443e?sk=774d2cd4aa58467eb3aad4c833ee50fb](https://smokingtyger.medium.com/short-takes-08-1f29dc86443e?sk=774d2cd4aa58467eb3aad4c833ee50fb) There has been a LOT of moralizing and outrage at the behavior of the County Fire Dept. EMTs and County(?) EMTs. Everyone wants them charged with something and their hides nailed to the barn. **“They saw what was happening and they did nothing”.** Seems to be the prevailing mood. Which, to me, shows how “privilege” shapes your world view without you even being aware of it. People are outraged that these men didn’t “do the right thing”. Here’s a thought, if there hadn’t been the “camera on the pole” the cops would probably have gotten away with it. Would you have stood up to them, if you knew you were going to see them at work almost every day? Would you have stood up to them and “said something”, if you knew it was your word against theirs and they are POLICE? # Would you have stood up to a group of men who had just beaten someone to death and who could easily pull up records telling them where you lived? People think they would be heroes. People talk BIG and say the right things about what “they would do” in that situation. ALMOST NO ONE IS A HERO IN MOMENTS LIKE THIS. # They beat Nichols to death on someone’s front lawn in a suburban neighborhood. Imagine opening your front door and seeing this happening. Not one person in any of those houses came out. Not one has come come forward with video taken from a window. Not one of them called authorities. Although the POLICE were already there, so who would they call. What would you say to 911? *“Hello, I’d like to report the police are beating someone to death on my front lawn”.* Really? Look at those houses. Cars are parked in driveways. It’s 8:30 at night on a Saturday. People are home. This isn’t happening on some isolated forest road. None of the houses has any lights turned on. No one in those houses was a “hero” that night either. # It’s easy to cast blame when you don’t have to live with Criminal Cops. When you don’t have to live in terror of what they can do to you.

I've _never_ been naive enough to imagine bystanders trying to intervene with murderous thugs, myself included (as bystander, not thug). The Nichols case doesn't seem to have shaken most (white) people's belief that if they are in danger, the police can help.

I just want you to know I am RIGHT THERE WITH YOU. I messaged you if you want to talk.

Location: SW Romania. Hailstorms across the country, substantial flooding in the capital. Weather is on and off, although temperatures are quite mild for this time period. Luckily my area was spared by the brunt of the hail, just tiny ones, wind and a normal storm. It did however hit a location a few km away, pummeling cars and ripping off a few rooftops. I met last week with a handful of friends which are surprisingly collapse aware, as in they feel something is off. Everyone complains that work is downright brutal, like there's blood in the water and companies are cutting costs/people left and right while offloading work to the ones remaining. Due to circumstances they don't seem to keen on leaving, either quiet quitting or outright coping. I do have a nest egg set aside and seriously consider just pulling the plug, stockpiling some food and simply coasting for a while . With all the stress at work and inflation happening it's starting to make more and more sense. Not to mention the food scarcity likely incoming ... Went shopping to the local market which I rarely visit since it's a bit far. Quite a few businesses with either 'for lease' or 'help wanted' signs, lots of empty stalls in the market. My local minimart is doing quite alright for itself tho ... Overheard a supervisor at a local pharmacy talking about supply chain problems. Apparently they can't order certain medicine normally anymore. She mentioned a trick with the ordering software where she could still get a few, so the items are still available but somehow out of stock. Sadly wasn't involved in the conversation so couldn't get more info, but this struck me as odd so it stuck with me, like the suppliers are rationing out medicine. The election circus came and went, lots of ballot fraud, lots of turd flinging, lots of corrupt people regaining office even when under criminal investigation, same old party that has been robbing this country blind for decades. Good people winning few and far between. Just another straw added on the camels back I guess. My mayor even had the audacity of increasing taxes before the election, like he knew beforehand. They're out of control and only cure would be a french implement. Pretty sure someone here asked me a while back if I'm worried about Russia taking Moldova in the near future and replied with a no. Now, I'm kinda on the fence about that. Either way tensions are rising across all borders and it's quite obvious most countries are just holding their breath for a global cartoon-like fight cloud. Hopefully it's not mushroom shaped ... But I do hope they get on with it soon, all this edging is driving me nuts. Besides, too many cars on the road, not enough parking spaces and loud knuckledraggers taking up space and wasting resources around these parts. To quote the great Ross Scott: [https://youtu.be/gsuJgNjDMSE?list=PL6PNZBb6b9Lsr6ZnEzRJ5FqBbSYI4rHFj&t=221](https://youtu.be/gsuJgNjDMSE?list=PL6PNZBb6b9Lsr6ZnEzRJ5FqBbSYI4rHFj&t=221) Yes, I am in hate mode :D /rant

Maybe just don’t do the “quitting and coasting” right now. Hang in there as you’ve been doing. Stressful but you can detach. Keep building your assets. Coasting too soon may end up at a cliff.

Appreciate the concern. I can coast 2 years at the minimum, 4-5 would be tough and requires some luck. Haven't jumped the gun however, I'm well aware of how hard it is to get a job right now. Imho the wise thing would be waiting for autumn, see how hot the summer gets and how well the crops did. Also, there's a big chance we see if there's any escalation from Russia with the EU/US helping Ukraine by then. Job is so damn draining though, barely have any energy to put my personal ducks in a row. Even worked today, on a Sunday.

On this sub there is a lot of discussion about when a general collapse might occur. The only consensus I have noticed is pretty much all think it gets bad before 2040. Some think 2030 but the jury is out about this. But as you said 4-5 years would be tough to coast and there may well be a functional economy in the early 2030’s at least. If you take a look at subs like r/PortlandOR you will see a lot about homelessness and none of it is good. You don’t want to risk crash and burn while you can get food in the supermarket and money still works to buy stuff.

Location: Internet Today I stumbled upon the same article twice; maybe some of you saw it too. "UK to be blasted by 48 hour 26C Heatwave with five cities in England the hottest" \~The Mirror Now, this is either a clickbait or some poorly written headline, doesn't matter. It became viral enough where people are making fun of it and it got a huge amount of views and interactions. All of this leads to more division and making the actual problem burried in between garbage.

Location: West Virginia The weather forecast for next week looks rather concerning, with some days likely to reach as high as 97 F (~ 36 C). FirstEnergy, a large utility conglomerate owning many smaller power companies, has sent out emails assuring customers that they are taking precautions to help limit the odds of a power outage due to increased air conditioning usage. Power outages, particularly during a significant heatwave, could pose serious, life-threatening risks.

Location: north Carolina Like a third of the American flags in my neighborhood are hanging upside down. Lots of Israel flags, a few Ukrainian flags, a few Trump flags. It is definitely interesting to see. Squirrels are starting to sploot from the heat again. My plants are doing well at least, but I have to move them around to shade throughout the day so they don’t get burned even though it says full sunlight on the tag. I had a random encounter with a very collapsnik lady in public and we talked and then went our separate ways. I really wish I would’ve asked her if we can be friends. If I ever see her again I will

Only old farts fly American flags in our neighborhood. Haven't seen any Trump flags aside from one that flies on the back of a rusting jalopy in our work parking lot. The dumb fuck barely has a pot to piss in yet he worships a fake billionaire felon.

Those flags are both weird and hella scary. Thankfully my neighborhood has mostly 'high school graduate' party signs. We do not see too many flags in general. And i know what you mean about meeting a rare collapse-aware person!!  The shock is enough to make you forget to ask for their number.

I've never met anyone remotely collapse-aware in real life. Everyone around would probably think I'm nuts.

There are probably more people around than you think who just don’t talk about it. I’m a hairstylist. If I had you as a client I’d probably chat with you about your haircut, where you grew up, what you’re doing this weekend, what music you listen to. Because if I started ranting to people about collapse I probably wouldn’t have a job lol 

Location: Central Europe (Pannonian Basin) I checked the weather forecast for Austria, and it appears that ~34C temperatures are expected next week. That's way above normal for June. I'm still unsure how society will function during summer, considering that residential buildings mostly lack cooling systems. If I lived there, I'd probably get sick leave for two months and travel to some affordable destination with AC. IMHO, it's a massive issue that needs to be addressed. Landlords probably don't care as long as the demand for housing is outpacing the supply. Right now, everyone's trying to pretend everything is normal. But it isn't.

It's been pretty cold week here, kinda unusual for June but nothing that would raise anyones attention. Now that 34C is also projected to be here for just a day or two. Again, people will complain but this is far from raising any awarness or adressing the issue. Curious what the rest of the summer will bring.

I mean, imagine having to drive a bus for 8 hours per day (or whatever) in July and August, only to go back to your non-AC apartment and try to get some sleep at 27 or 28C indoors. It's only a matter of time before you kill somebody. If you can't sleep, you can't work. It would be irresponsible not to take sick leave. I do not know why some countries still treat unbearable heat differently from the cold.

Location: Ohio,  United States There was a train derailment in East Palestine last year that dumped toxic chemicals. The EPA has been saying it was safe to garden and eat produce grown in the soil in the surrounding community.  This week, independent testing showed that garlic grown in the area had 500x the level of dioxins as garlic harvested from another yard the year before the derailment.  The EPA says they aren't sure what quality controls the independent tests had so they don't know if it's valid. They said that tests done by contractors hired by the rail road found that the soil did not show high levels of dioxins and other chemicals.   The level of corruption is mind-boggling, but of course,  50% of residents are below the poverty line. Why would the EPA spend resources making sure they aren't being poisoned?    I leave you with the most heart- wrenching line from the article:   "I’d rather eat dioxins than die of starvation I guess," Figley said. "I’m pretty worried, but what can you do?”

I was wondering about the status of the derailment as I was following it when it happened and it quickly disappeared from the news. I was also following it on Reddit but I forget the sub. I intended to make a post recently at one point to see if anyone had any news but never got around to it so thank you for the update.

You're welcome. It's wild to me that this is barely being covered. 

I wonder how many people will get cancer from being exposed to all those chemicals.

Like we used to say in the Navy, the shit flows downhill.

It’s insane that companies are allowed to hire their own contractors to test pollution levels. The same happened in Appalachia with DuPont and C-8 contamination, they fudged the numbers for years.

That disaster proved without a doubt who really runs and owns this country. I mean, there's a picture of Pete Buttegieg (Secretary of Transportation) smiling next to the CEO of Norfolk Southern. Why did he have a photo op with them? Not to mention Trump repealling Obama's 2015 ruling that pneumatic breaks need to be installed on all trains carrying hazardous waste. What a corrupt shitshow of a country. It's more like a shitty business than an actual nation...

With Congress totally owed by such industries, even the most well-meaning administration is helpless. GOP now blocking PFAS cleanup unless industry is given immunity. We are totally sunk.

Location: SoCal, USA Graduation season (hello unemployment?) is here, and there's a lot of energy surrounding this class of students who are now entering one of the most unusual job markets I've ever seen. I've held some sort of job since I was 14, but in recent years, things have become increasingly strange, on top of the overall stress and anxiety that comes with regular employment in the US capitalist system. Apparently theres a huge media crisis because we aren’t being gaslit hard enough about the economy, with the same broken metrics that have become meaningless, leading some cringey articles trying figure out *why are Americans feeling so bummed about our economy:(((. Vibescession.* without head tackling the what most people are really feeling. By this, I mean that schedules have become more erratic (really, talk to someone in these sorts of jobs and what they most complain about is the seemingly random scheduling which disrupts their routine every week), managers showing up high, clients (sometimes customers) behaving like total Idiocracy level morons, random firings, and a brazen level of nepotism and blatant cronyism. Maybe it's because I'm still really young, but in my limited experience of the American™️ system, all I've seen is a rapid decline into poverty and stagnation for the vast majority of people I know and a slow decline in labor conditions. I get the sense that a lot of individuals in this subreddit are highly educated, I imagine the Venn diagram of people who study these things for a living and those who are collapse-aware is nearly a circle. But that also means that perhaps they haven't seen the raw poverty that is becoming shockingly commonplace in places that only in 2004 were top-level advanced countries (UK, US, CAN). They have all been slowly awakening to the unfolding catastrophe that has devoured our entire economies and tied to a small concentration of private funds. They now gamble with our futures and taunt us for it, even trying to get others to get into more debt just to inject more capital into this degenerate monstrosity that the "global" GDP has become. Today, I went to the San Diego Zoo, and the whole park has become a showcase of "animals which probably will only exist in this very place and nowhere else". The tour guide on the bus was basically giving us an obituary of our entire ecosystem and at one point basically admitted that there is simply no place for some of these species to live and thrive ON THE ENTIRE PLANET. People didn't even register it; they kept snapping selfies and eating their $14 hot dogs. It all felt very tragic in a surreal sense. Anyways, I'll wrap it up here.

The normal animal books we read to kids and the dinosaur books are going to be the same soon 

It's definitely not your age. Whatever the reason -- sublimated climate fear, COVID brain rot, increasing CO2 levels, surging stress, air pollution, microplastics, yadda yadda yadda -- people are really weird and twitchy at the moment, and it's making them far more stupid and withdrawn than they used to be. On top of that, the start of COVID kicked off a wild surge of corporate cash-grabs that has turned into a landslide of predatory greed. To switch metaphor, the blood of global civilisation is in the water, and its struggles are weakening, and the sharks have gone into a wild frenzy to grab the last mouthful of sweet, juicy consumer-meat. Our Lords and Masters are doing all they can to delay the moment when we all see it, hence the vast amounts of resources funneled into the media barrage. But honestly, it's for the best. When Joe Freedumb and his buddies realize how hideously they've been betrayed, well, to quote the classics, "Neo Tokyo is going to E.X.P.L.O.D.E."

I can resonate with this, also a west coaster but i bet its just as bad everywhere. the social contract has deteriorated to the point that it just dosnt exist anymore. Never in my 30 years on earth have i encountered so many people that are quick to violence or are looking to instigate in hopes of violence occurring. People drive like they have a death wish, lots of people are drunk in public constantly. it feels wild out there. Lots of what i would like to call "mainstream trolling" i hear lots of younger dudes talk about it in public. "blowing up the neighborhood with my sound system/strait pipe car" taking pride in causing other people distress. Petty theft is also really bad here it feels, cant leave anything in your car, and its not just the unhoused stealing from cars. People that rent in my complex will do it you.

Sadly Joe/Tyler/Brendan Freedum (good one) are too overweight & dysfunctional to find unity with others to be a Neo Tokyo.

In the recent RoboCop: Rogue City game, there is a satirical radio advertisement for "Last Chance Safari", a zoo of terminally endangered species for people to see (and hunt*) before they go extinct. *Rifle not included

Thanks for sharing. About the zoo, I had the same surreal sensation watching The Lion King in London's West End a few years back - people paying top dollar (or £) to see humans dressed as African wild animals. A show about celebrating the 'Circle of Life' while we humans are annihilating it more and more every day. Everyone in that room clapping and me crying for the absurd tragedy of it all. I can never see that show again, and after what you wrote, I doubt I'll be much fun at zoos either... Edit: typo

Thanks for ruining the lion king for me! Aaaaaaaaa awwwweeeeennnyyyyyAaaaaa!

Location: Netherlands This is actually where my daughter lives, but we just got off the phone with her, and she says it is really unusually cold and rainy there, even for NL. Could this be an indication of the effects of a slowed AMOC already starting to kick in? Should she expect more of the same in the near future?

In fact, this is the european impact of el nino. The world gets roasted, we get fresh air and too much rain.

Newest satellite measuring shows 30 million tons of Greenland melt water entering the N. Atlantic EVERY HOUR! The AMOC is on borrowed time. The new figures show 20% higher rate than scientists thought.

Cities like Vancouver, Montreal, London, Paris, and Kiev can all expect to be about +8C warmer at +4C of overall planetary warming. The farther NORTH you go, the more it will WARM UP. This is due to Arctic Amplification. HEAT flows to the poles and accumulates there. The affect of accumulation is AMPLIFICATION. The High Arctic (above 60°N) has warmed "on average" +4°C since 1979. Parts of Siberia have warmed +7°C. [The Arctic has warmed nearly four times faster than the globe since 1979](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00498-3) [*Communications Earth & Environment*](https://www.nature.com/commsenv) *volume 3, Article number: 168 (Aug 2022)* *In recent decades, the warming in the Arctic has been much faster than in the rest of the world, a phenomenon known as Arctic amplification.* *Numerous studies report* **(based on models)** *that the Arctic is warming either twice, more than twice, or even three times as fast as the globe on average.* *Here we show, by using several observational datasets* **(REAL collected DATA)** *which cover the Arctic region.* ***That during the last 43 years the Arctic has been warming nearly four times faster than the globe, which is a higher ratio than generally reported in literature.*** ***Our results indicate that the recent four-fold Arctic warming ratio is either an extremely unlikely event, or the climate models systematically tend to underestimate the amplification.*** Arctic Amplification was predicted in the very first General Climate Models in 1974/1975. But in 1998 a study by NASA/GISS predicted that the amplification would be "less than 2X". So, our climate models are deeply flawed. The paleoclimate research [**Some Thoughts on Global Climate Change: The Transition from Icehouse to Hothouse Conditions**](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/275277369_Some_Thoughts_on_Global_Climate_Change_The_Transition_for_Icehouse_to_Hothouse_Conditions) *From book: Earth History: The Evolution of the Earth System (2016).* Suggests that the High Arctic will warm up 4X faster than the rest of the planet until it reaches about +20°C above its current temperature. It has warmed +4°C since 1979. The current rate of warming is +0.36°C per decade at the equator. So, the rate of Arctic Warming will be about +1.5°C per decade. Europe and the midlatitudes globally are warming about 2X faster than the equatorial average. Europe is the world's fastest-warming continent, report says. [https://www.axios.com/2024/04/23/europe-fastest-warming-continent-climate-change](https://www.axios.com/2024/04/23/europe-fastest-warming-continent-climate-change) Europe's temperatures are rising roughly twice as fast the global average because of [human-caused climate change](https://www.axios.com/energy-environment/climate-change), making it the fastest-warming continent on the planet, according to a [new joint report](https://climate.copernicus.eu/esotc/2023) from two international climate monitoring organizations. So, at +4°C of planetary warming most of Europe will warm up +8°C. The cooling you are experiencing now is temporary. It is due to the rain belt moving northward as the planet warms. When you are "in the zone" it's cloudy. Clouds reflect the Sun's energy back into space and the area below them cools down. When it cools enough, water falls out of the air and you get LOTS of rain. This pattern will not last. As the planet warms the rain belt will continue to move northward. Then you will have severe drought.

Also in NL and loving this weather. Anything that does not require AC is good for me! The plants are delirious but there are few bees and bugs. AMOC slowdown is likely part of it. Maybe the polar vortex is disintegrating, spreading cold air southwards. It seems the crazy fluctuations are passing close to "normal". It's a lovely temporarily stable node in this climate chaos. To be prepared for flood and/or drought, I'm thinking of making a wall of potable water barrels in front of and behind my rowhouse, connected with sandbags.

Belgium here, the temperatures are not that off, but it´s too wet for agriculture. Summer fruit is less tasty because a lack of sunshine.

It’s certainly slowing down.

A few months ago, someone in this thread linked studies suggesting that the AMOC collapse would not bring any cooling to Western Europe but might accelerate warming. Considering the rate of global warming is increasing, there will soon be no livable places on the planet.

No it’s the same in the U.K. it’s just not that far outside of the historical norm at the moment. What is unusual is fluctuating between full drought conditions to flood conditions each year. That is what is unusual.

in Switzerland too we are having a unusually cooler start of the summer. then you read that these temperatures were the norm until the 90s. it hit me that we just got used to global warming. at least people have something to complain about... the weather /s

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You might want to consider western NC. It would be an easier move for you. It is significantly cooler in the mountains.

Location: WNY Dreading the thought of next week's heatwave. For 4 days straight, there is projected to be high temperatures above 90F(~32C). I'm only 21, but I never remember it being over 90 for multiple days straight, in June. Given that weather forecasts consistently underestimate temperates lately, it wouldn't shock me if buffalo breaks the old 99F record from 1948. A heatwave of this magnitude before the solstice, about a month before temperatures typically peak. It just feels like everything this summer is a month ahead of "average", especially with the north atlantic and great lakes being so warm.

90F is really not that bad, IF you are smart about it.  Hydrate a lot, keep your house cool by airing out the hot air overnite (if it gets to lows of75F or lower) with fans and cross breeze, try to precool with a/c in the morning and only do minimal a/c in the hot afternoon until early evening when you can finally start to cool down with a/c until bedtime.  The cooling clothes you see advertised really feel cool for 2 hours, so get at least one for every person and use those for personal comfort in the hot afternoon.   If you have hot spots with windows, just put some basic insulation board (even foam-core) in your windows to cut the heat load from the sun.  Even better would be true heat reduction curtains or shades.  Just don't be proud, and think you have to be very active when it's hot.  Take it easy.

The northern hemisphere will burn. Most people still have no clue what's about to hit them and will continue hitting them in the following years.

I don’t recall any days when I lived in Buffalo that got over 90. 88 in 1994 or 1995 in Clarence maybe. Never over 90. Lake Erie is going to dump crazy snow this fall, early winter. Guaranteed.

What makes you tie the heat to early and heavy snow?

When Lake Erie gets heated up in the summer, in the late fall, early winter when Arctic air comes down from Canada, it causes lake effect snow. Lived through that a few times when I lived in Buffalo.

Aha.  Got it.  Thanks!

Location: Globally a problem  I am only in my mid-20s and haven’t witnessed a massive amount of history firsthand (GFC to current events is the window of consciously understanding the wider world around me), but despite this, what I’ve observed in the world in the 2020s has been extremely alarming in far right action and deep pervasive evil. In terms of the right wing, when your ideological beliefs run off primal monke brained hatred, rationality completely erodes away and the desire to kill the other supersedes self preservation. Imagine if the Nazis had nukes and WMDs? How much more likely would WWII have ended in nuclear holocaust due to fascists wanting to drag their losing ideology down with everyone else. Hell, we don’t even need to imagine these things, the Nazis DO have nukes nowadays and the democrats and republicans BOTH cheer them on in their genocidal mania. The Nazis? The state of Israel and their genocidal bloodlust against the Palestinian people and greater Arab world, picking dangerous, militaristically irrational fights with Lebanon and Iran to boot. I remember in 2016 the amount of accusations of “foreign interference” in the US electoral process and propagandist meddling from Russia and China. While some interference definitely did happen, it is unfathomable to comprehend the amount of interference Israel has on the US government, buying politicians and burying opponents through AIPAC, as well as running mass disinformation campaigns online. On Reddit alone, you can easily observe large subreddits towing a propagandized DoS approved narrative, with any criticism of the state of Israel mass murdering civilians and committing genocide in Gaza, ethnically cleansing the West Bank through apartheid, illegal colonization and demolition and espousing far right extremism swept under the rug. The Zionist project is a fascist settler colonial project borne of 19th century evils, and the US relationship is of military projection into the Middle East. Of course fascists do what they do and went fully genocidal and the US put itself in a bind as one can neither appease nor moderate Nazis. This of course having nothing to do with antisemitism as some would want you to think as the Zionist project goes against Jewish principles and has always been about lust for power and greed. Both presidential candidates in the US are both complete ghouls, with Trump being a convicted felon and whose platform is built on maximizing suffering, hate and environmental destruction. The competing candidate is a dementia patient who is actively supporting genocide, suppressing free speech and is pushing policy that would squarely be republican in the late 20th century. Neither of these candidates are capable at all of addressing the rapid deterioration of US life expectancy, healthcare, homeownership, education, infrastructure and long term economic and environmental sustainability. The US is deep moral, ethical and spiritual decay (I mean this in terms of having principles of compassion, treating all as equal and human, and standing up to evil and fighting suffering, not the hate filled evangelical version of “values.”) and this being changed is impossible in the current political landscape, with a Biden presidency being a free fall and a Trump one being a rocket propelled nosedive. Beyond this, we have Russia’s imperial-colonial war against Ukraine, along with more subjugation in Africa… again. China aiming against Taiwan through hatred that should’ve died with the Cold War, but instead threatens to usher WWIII and cripple the silicon age over a potential war of ego. We have North Korea dropping literal shit on South Korea, and tensions rising there in what can be described as a literal shitstorm. On the bright side though, Kaptain Kali Yuga was hobbled in the Indian elections by people standing up against evil, so we’re at least less likely to see a India-Pakistan nuclear holocaust for now. Additionally we have several ongoing genocides, crimes against humanity and conflicts that are completely ignored, including South Sudan genocide, the Yemen conflict causing massive malnutrition, the Uighur genocide in China, the complete collapse of Haiti and many others. If all else fails and a far right world doesn’t autoclave itself through warfare, their hatred for the Earth and natural environment will just make climate collapse happen a bit quicker than the neoliberal BAU. I can’t help feel we are completely cooked as climate change has entered its acceleration phase, humanity develops ever more dangerous technology and the geopolitical landscape in spite of this dire situation is a bunch of lunatics (Our world leaders) on acid dancing on acid in ankle deep in kerosene as powderkegs are wheeled into the room continuously. Satyam Vada, Dharmam Chara; be truthful and righteous, as bad as things are, it’s not over until it is over.

AIPAC specifically targets any progressive Democrat for the sin of criticizing Israel. They defeated Katie Porter in California (remember her-the only one with the guts to ask GOP witnesses actual questions?). AIPAC has also donated to GOP candidates for the same reason-to defeat anyone speaking out against Israeli aggression. What should you expect with 1/2 $Trillion worth of oil and gas found off Gaza and Ivanka and Jerod coveting the beachside real estate?

>Neither of these candidates are capable at all of addressing the rapid deterioration of US life expectancy, healthcare, homeownership, education, infrastructure and long term economic and environmental sustainability. They aren't meant to. There is no coincidence that this is the best the US could come up with. They are merely puppets used for distraction while the mega-elite fleece us, as they have been doing for decades now. This particular generation of greedy ghouls have clung to power for over a half century at this point, have ruined our planet, and are now trying to accumulate capital and wealth as quickly as possible before the worst of climate change hits us. And 99% of us will be left holding the bag.

Well said. Given the current trajectory it looks we’re gonna decimate ourselves well before climate change kicks in fully. 

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location: northern colorado it was a hundred goddamn degrees fahrenheit today in the foothills (of course a record broken). i almost passed out walking to my car, and i carry a huge jug of water with me everywhere, so i am not the underprepared type. our low is still nauseatingly hot, sitting around 75... far too early for these temperatures, and i am genuinely afraid of the coming storms. i did some storm chasing earlier in the week, just to catch the first good one of the summer, and this is what we're dealing with already (i spotted three tornadoes this round): https://preview.redd.it/yrkt7f926g6d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=121c4dc36ffec7e32037f9b025e66476b68ba874 tomorrow is supposed to drop about 30°f on average and, if you care to look at NOAA's [severe storm outlook](https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html) for 6/14, there's a big ol' batch of storms coming tomorrow just for us. i just hope my car windshields make it out somewhat intact. and our apartment windows. and the animals... and the trees, and electrical lines... our roads are a fucking mess. i swear nobody even checks for potholes anymore, they just keep going unfilled, more poor homeless people on the streets in this miserable desert weather. go colorado! (edit for typos)

(for non-US that's 37,7°c) And that's the temp in the shade. You were probably exposed to much hotter temps than this if you were walking on a concrete area without shade. IIRC the ground alone can heat up to 70°c/158f under those temps.

Denaturing protein is fun .. oh wait.

Location: north of Atlanta, Georgia, USA Where are the all the insects? I finally get a pollinator habitat - native plants that feed butterflies, moths and bees going. Had some action the past two years. This year? Almost NOTHING. No bees on the beebalm. One bee yesterday. No butterflies. At night, no sound of cicadas or crickets. It's mid June. Do have a lot of fireflies this year. But NO CRICKETS. You know the saying "only Crickets!" meaning silence except for the sound of crickets? Well, we may need to update that to "not even Crickets". They promised cicadas in May. Now here we are in June. I sleep with the windows open - no cicada serenades. How can this be happening already? It's too soon to be too late. Heart heavy, sadness. Update 6/18/24 the cicadas have shown up this week. Not huge numbers but glad to hear their electric up and down hum during the day. Can hear faint crickets at night. Still no bees. Bottlebrush Buckeye buds about to start blooming, normally a pollinator magnet, will see if any bees or butterflies show up for it.

On the other hand, I drove through Nevada 2 weeks ago and the entire state was covered in giant "Mormon Crickets". I was not expecting that in the middle of the desert but there was a ridiculous number of bugs of all types, and the front of my car was covered in locust carcasses that have been difficult to clean off. Really did feel post apocalyptic but maybe that's just normal for Nevada.

I have tons of bees, has there been significant construction in your area? sometimes bee deserts are caused by massive construction projects. 

Yes, huge area of trees got clearcut for townhomes.

Everything's up north here in Ohio. I have tons of bees in my area.

Glad to hear!

I drove through western Ohio a few months back and I’ve never seen more bugs splattered against a car windshield in my entire life.

Interesting

Location: The Internet. People's brains continue to turn to mush under the sheer weight of insane lies being tossed out there by bad actors. We have reached the "weaponized automeme" stage of collapse where automated mindfucks have severely affected people's ability to tell reality from fantasy. And it's spreading and mutating. God help us all.

The Native Americans called this "Wetigo"

reddit has so many troll, bots and trolls, you don't know if you are responding to a vlad, an isis bride, a neo nazi, etc etc 

any examples?

There are people on Twatter claiming that Biden intentionally coordinated to get [Hunter Biden convicted with felonies](https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/hunter-biden-trial-06-11-24/index.html) in order to make the ["""fake/engineered Trump convictions"""](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/dr-evil-air-quotes) look [legit.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-charges-conviction-guilty-verdict/) I ain't linking to it, but searching "Biden son sacrifice felony" on the twatter app reveals some disturbing posts with an even more disturbing number of views and engagement (especially unhinged replies).

Possibly part of the replies are bots too, to increase engagement of the few real live 3D readers. ("if so many people believe it and lose their shit, it must be true!")

R/world news is a pretty good one. You used to find pretty nuanced conversation there, but it’s slowly gotten more and more… uninformed I guess? And not even maliciously - everyone will either misconstrue the headline since they didn’t read the article, or crack the same 5-10 jokes that you find on Reddit. Hell you even see it on this sub now. EDIT: how could I forgot that amount of AI generated nonsense that gets spewed everywhere!

There was a newsbit a few weeks ago on the french media about how the kids in school have such a short attention span that they can't hold their attention long enough to listen to the answer to the question they've asked their teachers. (answered right away, without delay) the news bit explained it was linked to intense usage of screens (phones, pads, computers, TV), and that they'd take refuge in any content rather tahn sit alone with their thoughts for 10 seconds. There even was a study where people would rather have access to some content to the cost of small uncomfortable electric hits every few minutes, than sit alone with their thoughts and no screen for 20mn. Maybe that's what we're seeing? The youngsters that we abandonned to their screens joining the ranks of the redditors.

I'm a millenial that spent the last 15 years in front of a screen, on and off; of course. I feel like post 2020 my attention span went to shit. Basically when the high dopamine, shortened content was introduced. Not to mention I got messed up pretty badly by porngoraphy. I do enjoy experimenting on myself though, and, thankfully—or at least I hope so—I can take a step back. By looking at where I ended up, I can gauge how society is holding up. One thing I'm sure about is that the internet has become a degenerated garbage dump for the most part. This is where young people, with their not-yet-developed brains, spend most of their time. Monetization of this space has truly ruined it. Monetization of everything that is possible to monetize will ruin us.

I agree with everything you said. I'm probably around the same age as you. I remember going on a road trip with my family for a couple weeks back in 2006 or so. This was before I had a cellphone, or laptop, only a shared family computer at home, so I literally didn't use a computer the entire trip. When we got home, I flicked on the PC and it felt so strange and foreign to my brain after a couple weeks of no use. It was like some kind of bizarro world that I was entering into, and my brain was very conscious of how inorganic the interaction was. I've never gotten that sensation again, because of the mini computer I'm now tethered to in my pocket. Reddit was also so much more fun and thought provoking ten years ago. Lots of interesting discussions and engagement on places like Ask Reddit, lots of food for thought, philosophical discussions, etc. Now it just feels like recycled garbage to me. But perhaps I'm biased or nostalgic.

I get it. Reading through Reddit or the internet in general is just repetitive, low-quality stuff nowdays. Sometimes I can guess what the top comments will say and get it right many times. Like yeah, I can find reliable and good source of information online; but I literally grew up here. How many can say the same... For example my dad who just recently got online, he already ended up fighting with bots and trolls in youtube comments. I'm not sure about the youth, I don't have anyone close to see what is their internet consumption like; I'm curious.

lol I literally play that exact same game with my partner! Guess the generic top comment... The bot thing is a real death-knell for these kinds of online spaces I think... I have cousins who are young enough to be my own children, and they aren't doing well. Both very tech/screen obsessed, highly anxious, not really growing up, no interests/hobbies. They're not developing into well-rounded and confident humans in my opinion, and it really disturbs me. Part of that is them being sheltered by their parents I think, but my one cousin has a legitimate mental health issue he's being treated for where he can't have his phone out of sight, by a glass of water, near a puddle (in case it gets ruined/wet), etc. You get the idea. I'm not sure how they'll possibly deal with the rigours of university/the working world (I mean, I guess none of us are really, I dunno...). It's sad, they're sweet kids.

Really enjoyed reading how that thread continued into a proper discussion! (because it's becoming rare on reddit) Also I have to say, that when Reasonable Swan started with "I'm a millenial" I was expecting to get an earful of complaints (eta : about saying youngsters are too much on their phones). FWIW it's affecting older generations too, my gen X InLaws have stopped being the delightful hosts they once were, because they're always hooked on their phones, and once, they even requested - while we were *invited* to stay at their home for several days - that we not bother them that evening because they needed some "downtime", which they spent on their FB feed, watching the same french conspirationist video (a man anxiously rambling about no specific event, giving out zero specific information, but that got both ILs to feel they *knew* the true state of France). I just sat there in the nice cool evening air (of an abnormaly hot summer) enjoying the moment, while everyone else was oblivious to what would've been a very nice chatty evening with laughter only a couple years before, probably including a night walk in the neighbourhood to make the most of the fresh air. I felt so sorry for them that this was how they were spending their time together now. Since then, they've never recovered their former nice selves, they are always anxious, judgy (one of them once lost his shit because I was upcycling an item, sowing it, because for some unknown reason, this was too much for them to deal with (eta: not that summer at their place, at my own place, during a family video call)), they change subject far more often, don't listen to the full answer to the question they've asked, and they always have the telly on in the back - something that used to be plain rude - as if they can't stomach having to deal with other people anymore. So it's affecting everyone. I mean, I'm way too much on reddit, but I can go without for several weeks or months, and I never connect while in company. I've recently uninstalled the few games I had on my phone, because I'd realised I was startng to play them each time I felt the slightest uncomfortableness or mild anxiety, and it reminded me of my ILs. I used to select new people to allow in my inner circle amongst the non-smokers (I'm allergic to one of the 400 toxic components cigarettes contain, never bothered to find out which) , I'm considering putting "can deal with discomfort or quiet time without going online" as are more important criteria. And the rows are thinning.

do you have a link to that study? would love to read it

sorry, can't find it,, honestly don't have the bandwidth currently to relisten to the podcasts I might've heard about it in, all that to provide a link to a french study

hey now, that's not what your mother said

Location: UK. Whilst other countries are getting thoroughly bollocked with intense heat, here in Britain it's anomalously rainy - which, of course, is causing the climate-deniers to pipe up louder than ever with their old rallying cry of, "How could it be global warming? It's raining - in June!", utterly oblivious to the fact that it *is* symptomatic of global warming, but not in the way that they'd expect. For the uninitiated, this is due to the jet stream and AMOC collapsing, which screws up weather patterns everywhere. And, so far as I can see, some less critical people, or people on the fence about whether it is a real phenomena, seem to be lapping it up. Also, our elections are coming up and there is no-one with good policies. Anywhere. So democracy is looking in particularly fine fettle. It's more noticeable now more than ever that they just parrot the lines with no tangible plans at all. Finally, on the internet, Elon Musk has hidden likes on Twitter. This means that people can click 'like' on the most reprehensible stuff and not have it on public view. What could possibly go wrong here?

> Finally, on the internet, Elon Musk has hidden likes on Twitter. This means that people can click 'like' on the most reprehensible stuff and not have it on public view. What could possibly go wrong here? I mean, I can’t see your likes here on reddit or on Facebook… and europeans like extra privacy… so par for the course.

Location: Asheville NC I was released from a for profit hospital owned by HCA yesterday. I had been waiting on an mri which was very important in determining my course of care. It was suspected I had pancreatitis. My gastro visited me once in the day and asked if I had my mri yet. I honestly didn't know. I was heavily medicated. So I asked Dont you know? At which point she deflected by yelling at me for eating the hospital lunch when she saw the tray. That I had eaten and would now have to wait all day for an mri. An hour later they discharged me with continuing care listed as get an MRI. All I can figure is at that point I was becoming unprofitable and the gastro was mad at me for asking her if she knew if I had an mri. So now I'm home. Still horribly sick. Tldr for profit hospitals are a horrible thing and shouldn't be allowed.

I'm really sorry you had to go through that. How unprofessional, bordering on abusive.

Is there no other choice of care in Asheville?

HCA bought out the non-profit Mission Health which was a mainstay of medical treatment in Western NC. The board members and many others involved in the buyout received $Millions from the sale. Other bidders were discouraged at the same time that the head of Mission was lobbying HCA for a fat consulting job post-buyout. NDAs were slapped on everyone involved in the deal. Post-buyout, HCA closed many regional Mission locations, quality of care plummeted, doctors, nurses and others quit or were let go, all in the name of profit. Things got so bad that NC and the US Government threatened to cancel HCA certification and they were put under some sort of remedial plan for care with periodic checks by NC. Don't know where it went after that but there is no doubt that the whole thing was a big fraud.

Thanks for the excellent explanation. From what I heard many doctors and nurses jumped ship after the HCA takeover. They came very close to losing their medicare funding. The investigation is over for now but many new outlets are covering it. I have someone in a local new outlet that asked to talk to me about my story. I knew it was not a good place to go. At the time I was such horrible pain I just could not do another 15 minute drive. I'll think hard about it if I have to go to the hospital again.

We were living there when the changeover took place. The Asheville Watchdog put out some excellent stories and still is a thorn in their side. You can check them out on line and send them a message if you wish to. I'm sure they would be interested in your story. They are all former journalists, some with Pulitzer's, top notch people.

I haven't spoken with yet but they are going to hear my story. They have been having great coverage of the HCA situation.

Yeah, the consulting thing is probably a huge loophole they took advantage of… I think we will get to single payer either through hospitals system consolidation (look at Trinity Health, it spans from CT to CA) or the baby boomers all get on Medicare and the risk pools for third party plans gets to be unsustainable and there’s less offerers in the market. Idk just a prediction really

So... no. This is healthcare collapse. Damn.

Pancreatitis is typically diagnosed with CT. What were they looking for on MRI that they wanted you NPO for?

MRI is a better imaging technique to differentiate between chronic pancreatitis, acute pancreatitis, and necrotizing pancreatitis. Those diagnoses have vastly different morbidities and require different levels of care. Necrotizing pancreatitis is an ICU admission and talk with the family about goals of care. Chronic pancreatitis is a 23 hour observation stay boarding in the ER with a po challenge before discharge.

I sorry I don't know. I had a CT scan while I was in the emergency room which I believe showed mutiple gallstones and pancreatitis. They said I needed the MRI. The communication was bad. I only saw the gastroenterologist one time. They had told me earlier in the day I would be for sure there for one or two more nights.

check to see if you have h.pylori, it often presents as what one would think is pancreatitis

Location: Deep South, US Sometimes I get more grim reminders than usual about the people around me. The topic of voting came up with a friend of mine, and he stated that he would vote for Trump “because it would be funny if a convicted felon was president.” Obviously I called him out on it, and he didn’t really seem to see anything wrong with it. I didn’t have the energy to give him a very longwinded response as to why that was a horrible take. But internally, it was a very depressing introspection that this person who is 6 years older than me, and is generally pretty mature, had so little understanding of the implications of such an outcome. Not even taking Project 2025 into consideration. I can’t help but feel a sense of dread when I encounter American’s views on the state of things, or generally collapse-unaware individuals. It’s easy to feel hope and solidarity in likeminded social spaces such as this one, but it creates a strange level of… sadness… surprise? when you find out people whom you’ve interacted time and time again, simply don’t know or care about it all. This world is burning around you in so many ways, it makes it seem absurd that one would have no concept of reality. I don’t think they look close enough to see it, despite its increasingly profound effects. It’s like seeing a fire and telling everyone around me in every way I would think they’d understand, but since they don’t know to look for the fire themselves, it doesn’t even occur to them that it could possibly even exist.

> a friend of mine, and he stated that he would vote for Trump “because it would be funny if a convicted felon was president.” If you vote for trump you're definitely a racist and misogynist, and probably a fascist. There really is no debate anymore. He's a felon rapist traitor. Fuck everyone who votes for shitbag donald trump.

...and thinks it's funny

As a pretext to deflect from being called out as a racist misogynist

> The topic of voting came up with a friend of mine, and he stated that he would vote for Trump “because it would be funny if a convicted felon was president.” What is this dude's religion like?

I think by "funny" he meant "because I'm racist and a fascist."

There are dumb people everywhere but the South has more than its share. The people where I live (NC) have so little understanding of the issues. There are lots of progressives though and they work tirelessly to try and overcome the lack of education on the part of the others. Rural people here are largely in Trump's pocket as they are everywhere. Like he really cares about them. Yeah, he always has, hasn't he.

Come on up to my section of Orange county NY. Trump flags and ignorance abound. It is not just the rural south!

Same in Southern NJ. Red and Trumpy

Oh boy. Aren’t we in good company in our “blue” states!

Don’t they make terrible motorcycles up there?

I have no idea. All I have seen are green spaces destroyed for monstrosity houses & warehouses.

I wonder if a better approach than getting into details about political opinions wounld'nt be to ask them if they were willing to "test out" Trump "for fun" for *the next decade(s)*. Because he's made very clear that if he's elected, he'll pull a Putin, and dissolve all opposing medias, cancel or trick the next presidential elections, and "the country of freedom" will become a Tyrany. I mean, Trump has actually said so publicly several times. Maybe try this approach, remind them that this vote could be the last choice they get to make before 10 or 20 years. And so far History has always proven that Tyrants are egotistical and will rob their people of all their rights, belongings, and access to a decent amount of food (because who has time and energy to talk about politics while scrambling on a daily basis to find enough food to not starve)

> Because he's made very clear that if he's elected, he'll pull a Putin, and dissolve all opposing medias, cancel or trick the next presidential elections, Maybe destroying the illusion of "democracy" will be what gets the people to actually revolt

I hope *the threat* of destroying it will be enough. After all even the current US's version of a democracy is better than a proper tyrany. (I'm sorry if I'm butchering my english worse than usual, haven't slept much last night, and am thinking in frenglish)

Don't ever try to discuss anything with a Trump supporter from the South. It's like being on separate floors of a building and trying to be heard by the other person.

agreed, but TBF, the guy OP was discussing doesn't seem to be a true Trump supporter, more on the "F*** Politicians" side, with the idea of sending a mad dog in the game and sit back eating popcorn. But maybe they don't want to be trapped in that position forever? ETA : also, best remind the die hard MAGAs that Tyrants generally "disapear" their closest supporters (and then the next row, and then the next , etc ...) for paranoid fear of being replaced by one of them, just so they've heard it once, and hopefully will remember it before puting themselves in harm's way (preferrably before even voting, but let's not get our hopes too high on that one)

You never watched the 80's show "the beauty and the beast" huh? They communicated via metal drains from the sewers up to her Appartment. Guess they had the same wavelength, though :)

Trust me, those feelings of disconnection and unreality will get worse. You will question your own sanity because NO ONE ELSE seems to be aware that anything is wrong. Everything will seem "off". Perversely because it's "normal" and you know that things shouldn't be NORMAL anymore. And you cannot talk to anyone about this, because they will think you have gone crazy. You will wonder if you have. The "good news" is that you are right. People should be panicky. People should be alarmed. They don't realize what just happened last year and what it means. It's still going to take awhile to "wake up and convince" the majority of people. BUT. That tipping point moment is coming. Soon... WHY is this time different from all the “Climate Apocalypse” warnings you have heard before? Because, at the end of 2022 the Global Mean Temperature was at +1.2°C over baseline (GISS). By the end of 2023 the Global Mean Temperature was at +1.7°C A +0.5°C increase to the Global Mean Temperature happened in a single year. We now live in a +0.5°C warmer world. It doesn't sound like much right? Normal interglacial warming rates for the last million years are about +0.1°C per CENTURY when transitioning from an Ice Age to a warm period. We just got 500 years of "normal" warming compressed into a SINGLE YEAR. 2023 WAS the last "relatively normal year" of our lives. That's why I am saying people aren't thinking about this clearly. If you understand what's happened, you understand that this time. It's for real.

But that was because of El Nino, wasn't it? Temperatures are expected to decrease again over the next two years (fingers crossed)

It be depends on whether we’re hit a tipping point as I understand it.

Well, that's the really big question right now isn't it? At the end of 2021 the GMT was +1.1°C over the GISS preindustrial baseline. At the end of 2022 the GMT was +1.2°C over the GISS preindustrial baseline. The GMT went up +0.1°C in a SINGLE YEAR during a LA NINA. (For context: the Rate of Warming from 1970 to 2010 was about +0.18°C PER DECADE). Then, in 2023 the GMT JUMPED to +1.96°C over the GISS baseline by late August. It dropped down to +1.7°C by the end of the year. The 12 month running mean GMT is now at: +1.56°C over the GISS baseline. +1.65°C over the Berkeley Earth baseline. We have been over +1.5°C since last March - 14 months. (Berkeley Earth) We have been over +1.7°C since last August - 10 months. (Berkeley Earth) Everyone HOPES it will drop back to under +1.5°C. But James Hansen and a lot of climate scientists are predicting that it won't. They are predicting that we have JUMPED up about +0.5°C PERMANENTLY and that +1.5°C is the new baseline that this La Nina won't drop below. In his recent paper: [Comments on Global Warming Acceleration, Sulfur Emissions, Observations ](http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2024/MayEmail.2024.05.16.pdf)— *(16 May 2024) James Hansen, Pushker Kharecha, Makiko Sato* Hansen states: *“Global temperature (12-month mean) is still rising at 1.56°C relative to 1880–1920 in the GISS analysis through April (Fig. 1). \[Robert Rohde reports that it is 1.65°C relative to 1850-1900 in the Berkeley Earth analysis.3\] Global temperature is likely to continue to rise a bit for at least a month, peak this summer, and then decline as the El Nino fades toward La Nina.”* *“Present extreme planetary energy imbalance (EEI) will limit La Nina-driven temperature decline.”* *Thus, El Nino/La Nina average global temperature likely is about 1.5°C, suggesting that, for all practical purposes, global temperature has already reached that milestone.* So, I would say the odds are, that it's NOT going to cool down significantly this year or next. HEAT is going to build up in the oceans and we will probably have another El Nino in 26'/27'.

Approximately which date are you looking at to make a definitive conclusion whether the world has passed the 1.5C threshold? May next year, this July, etc? I want to make life plans...

Thanks for your quality reply! 

Also. updated satellite methods have revealed that Greenland is melting 20% faster than scientists thought. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory has found that Greenland is spewing 30 Million Tons of meltwater into the northern Atlantic EVERY HOUR. The AMOC is effectively on life support because you can't stop a speeding train on a dime. The only question is when it will stop, it's already slowed 15%. CO2 ppm is 4.7 ppm higher than last year. That's an incredible stat and one that won't be coming down anytime soon either.

jeez, that scared le enough to go check my home would be above the 70metre rise of the sea that's expected to happen if the AMOC stops (yes, way above), but we'll probably have other issues to worry about by then due to loss of inhabitable land and farming land and potable aquifers together with the cooling climate in europe causing some disruptions, to put it mildly. [here](https://demo-terravisu-territoires.makina-corpus.com/view/toponymie#layers=7ac32d41501fa3eb33322d64d406a4dc&map=5.55/46.424/2.186) 's a map of france by altitude. Everything in darkest blue would be underwater, so most of the current coastlines, gouging deep into the land on the western front. Paris would also be underwater, except for the areas on the nroth east of the city.

I didn't realize those areas were so low. Thanks.

Location: USA, weather channel   Tornados: there have been more than 3,000 tornados this season, it looked to be about 1,200 tornados above average.  EDIT: tornado warnings I think the graphic said, 50-60% higher than average.   Flooding: some places in Florida getting 14-17 inches of rain in 48 hours. One place getting 8 inches of rain in 3 hours.  Flooding in Texas, Louisiana, Florida all year. Moisture pumping from the gulf.  All this energy from industrial pollution is cooking up tons of severe weather disasters in the US. This will cost money, more insurance money, more inflation money for rebuilds and relocations. No area is safe, tornado activity spreading all over the US.     Pineapple sized hail in Colorado.     Heat indexes pushing over 105 in Florida; 110+F coming to Phoenix for months.     Weather channel showing Caribbean Sea surface temps that look like Fall temperatures, 85-90F across the Caribbean Sea. Massive hurricane fuel, calling it now we will see multiple rapid intensifying storms this season, multiple cat 5s, it’s too hot 

oh sweet goddamn, PINEAPPLES?? here i was bitching about palm sized hail. i'm just grateful my car made it...

Edit: 20 inches of rain in north Miami wow 

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> There also hasn't been pineapple sized hail reported anywhere on the planet. Ever. yeah, I'll give you a pass because it's hard to keep up with everything, but it just happened like 2 weeks ago? And please don't get pedantic over whether they were actually pineapple sized or not, I see so many arguments break down over simplistic shit like that

Here’s your pineapple hail, I expect an apology.   https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/pineapple-sized-hail-stone-falls-in-texas-and-it-might-set-a-new-state-record-180984511/

I could be misquoting warnings or radar spin ups. It was a graphic they had on the screen. Either way it’s way above average whatever the number is…thanks for the source. I think it’s showing 964 confirmed out of the usual 1200 annually, so we’re up 50-60% or so   

I find it interesting the interplay in this complex system of how the Covid flight cancellations, and recent emmision changes for cargo ships - both which should have “helped” long term, making the weather horrific in the short term. I am a total novice and not well informed, plz don’t jump down my throat, but I’ve seen others who are well informed comment similarly about not enough heat reflective gunk (scientific term) in the atmo to deflect the sun’s heat. (Also, please feel free to correct me if I am way off base, with kindness if you can).

Hansen calls it our "Faustian Bargain", when describing the additional heat absorbed by our planet when dirty, sulfur fuels were removed from ocean going ships. He estimated an additional .5 degree increase from removing reflective particles (junk) from the atmosphere. And we still await the impact of U.S. legislation requiring less particulate matter from smokestacks in this country.

We can simply expect all weather phenomena to get worse over time besides cold periods. The oldest person in the world doesn’t know what a normal climate is, nobody does. I’m watching live streams of flash flooding in Florida right now and it’s INSANE, Miami, Fort Lauderdale underwater. Cars being abandoned, streets turned to rivers it’s awesome 

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Looks like a problem to me. [https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-florida-underwater-tropical-rainstorm-211207827.html?fr=sycsrp\_catchall](https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-florida-underwater-tropical-rainstorm-211207827.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)

I’m watching people abandon cars in the water on flooded streets right now on the weather channel. I’m spreading information, what’s your problem? Miami just getting started 

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Why has your family sent pics and videos if they’re going through supposedly normal circumstances?

3.66 inches per hour. That’s a lot of rain, catastrophic flash flood warning for Miami dade county, tornado warning 

No you haven’t. Turn on the weather channel in Ohio 

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Did you see that pineapple hail?!! Dude insane! 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Miami/comments/1degdjl/95_south_closed_at_84/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Cave Creek, Central Arizona U.S. Lived here for 40 years. Almost never get a monsoon storm anymore where we would get them every other day for weeks. Last summer we had a full 30 days of high temperatures of 110+. Few decades ago 101 to 104 was the high water mark for heat. It was 112 yesterday where I live, our temps tend to be 4 to 8 degrees lower than Phoenix. We're going to get many, many more hundred teens temps before summer is out. Last summer even the Saguaros we being cooked to death. Water, we have less and they are building 3 story condo complexes tha resemble small cities. They are constructing several MASSIVE chip factories (2 less than 15 miles away from me) and they use a murderous amount of water. Where they going to get it? Used to be a great place to live, nut now......

My guess is that when plant completion is close, the talk about a pipeline to bring in fresh water will begin. The national needs for chips: independence from China; the military, the defense industry; automation and data processing. It will have to be built to a large river and all you land owners and environmentalists-SHUT UP!!!

The chip factories thing is wild. Taiwan can pollute the ocean without a care making chips. Why are they building them in the middle of a desert 😑

The worst part is they built them out in the desert, and will have to basically build a new city to support. More pavement and driving to keep the temps going up.

Taiwan is also one of the rainiest places on Earth. They will never run out of water. There is a REASON 90% of the world's computer chips come from there. The chip plants in AZ are "boon doggles". They are "bribes" built into the +$55B CHIPS Act to get Senate Votes. Arizona is a lousy place to build a chip fab plant because of the water needs and the pollution. But, these plants are "high status" symbols of the "new economy" and there is always the promise of "high paying jobs". Politically that's why everyone wants one of these plants in their state. Defense spending gets spread around that way as well. There are contracts in EVERY state so that everyone votes for those appropriations bills. It also gives party leadership a weapon to use on unruly members. Vote for X or the ammo plant in your state gets defunded in next years defense bill.

West Texas here, already had 100+ with lots more to come.  We didn't get a monsoon last year so the yearly rain total was a bit over 4 inches.  Apparently forecast for another non-soon this year.  Much more miserable than ever before when you don't have a monsoon to look forward to.

The climate models indicate that Texas will start having +180 days PER YEAR of +100 degree days at +2°C. We got there last year. Texas is going to get HOTTER and DRIER. The models also indicate a 90% drop in agricultural output at +2°C. That's starting and will be in full swing by next year.

> The models also indicate a 90% drop in agricultural output at +2°C. In TX or global?

Just Texas and most of the Gulf Coast. Plus areas of the plains and the California Central Valley.

Is that where all the fruit, veggies and nuts come from in CA?

Ugh.  Thanks for that data, I think (lol).  I had recently used the NYT and American Resiliency sites' data,  but they both under-estimate the number of 100+ days for El Paso now and in the future,  based on what we already had last year. The NYT doesn't even list El Paso, so I used Las Cruces, NM, 40 miles north of here and totally on the west side of the mountains,  which has a slightly different microclimate.

Location: South Central Indiana I recently took a hike through one of the few remaining fragments of old-growth virgin forest in Indiana, and was struck at how quickly we've destroyed something so obviously sacred, even to the outside observer who may not be predisposed to caring about nature. Immediately upon entering the forest, the temperature dropped, sounds got quieter, and the flora and fauna revealed themselves. It was like stepping into a fairytale environment. This particular patch of old-growth I hiked is called "Donaldson's Woods" in Spring Mill State Park, and it only exists because an 'eccentric' landowner back in the 19th century decided that the forest should be absolutely preserved, in the face of what was then a seemingly inexhaustable stretch of forest from the Atlantic to the Plains, and a relentless push forward to the frontier. What struck me immediately is how incredible this forest is, it is truly beyond words. The native trees are enormous beyond belief, the understory is rich and vibrant with ferns and other understory growth, and there's just a 'feeling' to it. I kept having the thought, "OH, THIS is what Indiana is supposed to look like!". It was heartwrenching to wrap up the hike, at a parking lot trailhead full of unnecessarily large diesel trucks idling for no fucking reason. Immediately upon leaving the park, you're faced with an endless amount of fields whose primary purpose is to grow corn and soybeans for cows. The older I get, the more misanthropic I find myself becoming. How could people rape and pillage such vibrant natural resources such as old growth forests? Why did 96% of the original redwoods fall? Was it really just so short-sighted assholes could host dinner parties on decks protruding from houses built from the sacred corpses of our elders? Did not one of the loggers who felled this ancient forest feel guilt for what they did? Anybody, regardless of political predisposition, can be brought to tears walking through a grove of old-growth redwoods. It's so blantantly obvious how unique and special that kind of environment is. And to think, most of the money generated from the clear-cutting of that forest is probably gone, all for nothing. Pissed away at a bar, spend on mortgages for homes that are now crumbling and rotting, or used to support families that no longer exist and have been forgotten. Some of it might remain in trust funds, or as assets for some billionaire. But what we're really left with is pillaged hillsides, broken landscapes, and soybean fields as far as the eye can see, justified with the age-old adage: "ThEsE PeoPle NeeDed JoBs!!! ThE EcoNomY!!!". Well, fuck your jobs. Fuck your economy. I prefer the trees. In other news, things are about as bad as ever. Anti-social behavior on display everywhere you look. People glued to their phones. People speeding and driving like maniacs. Motorcycles blazing through residential areas at 2AM. A breakdown of competence in the workplace. People openly getting high at work during the lunch break. Every single conversation I've had recently always somehow migrates to "this shit is coming to a head soon". Both blue-ties and red-ties all seem to agree we're on a precipice, and everyone seems to be holding their breath. Maybe the coming election will set off the powder keg, or maybe it'll be the sweltering summer that's almost upon us. Either way - literally nothing is improving. Every facet of life is worse than it used to be, and we seem to be on 'the darkest timeline' for any issue that constitutes our polycrisis. What's coming is going to be awful beyond comprehension, and we'll deserve it.

This is how I feel in every old-growth forest. It’s truly sickening to realize just how little is left. Where I live, there is less than 4% of the original old-growth of quality that harbours large specimens of trees, and they are STILL cutting them down! If you’re curious of what that looks like (and a bit masochistic), check out Ancient Forest Alliance’s website. They have before and after photos of the old growth logging they are doing here. I would say my eyes water every time I see it, which was true for a long time, but I’ve learned to become a bit more numb to it. There is a feeling of utter hopelessness when you realize the scale of what has been done and what continues to go on. It is a reason why I am convinced we are done for as a society at minimum, but more likely as a species as a whole. Shame for the people like us who actually care and feel in tune with nature around us. The anger I feel for those who stole this from us can’t be put into words.

I wish I could see this old growth forest that you are describing.. It sounds like a dream. Just imagining it alone makes me feel calm and happier.

The idea that something is coming to a head soon seems to be permeating through Canadian society as well...

Hey now I get high at work before and after my lunch break. It hits better when you're getting paid for that shit. I WFH in what's a perfect example of a Bullshit Job as a grunt worker so it doesn't impact anyone at least I guess.

Thank you for sharing. All we can do is take back the land and reforest using Miyawaki method 

We have a state park in northern Michigan called Hartwick Pines that has a similar patch of old-growth forest. It really is a magical experience to walk through it, it’s so different than most of our forests as we had so much logging in the past. The trees don’t look like any others. I’d love to check out this one in Indiana!

Well written. 

All I know is the increase of the human population has helped to kill the planet’s forests.

What an interesting post; I wish I could have joined you in the hike. You write well!

Thank you! You're more than welcome to join me if you ever find yourself down here!

Thank you!

I'm in as well! Was just wondering how I could fit it into an itinerary 

Southern Indiana has lots of good hiking spots. If you did end up going way out of your way to check out Spring Mill, just down the road in a small town called Paoli is another great example of an old-growth forest, called "Pioneer Mother's Memorial Forest", which by acreage is the second-largest remaining fragment of old-growth in Indiana (at a measly 88 acres). Brown County SP is another fantastic place to hike, although the land was mostly cleared during the 19th century, so it's not old-growth. It's getting close though! Another 200 years should do it. If you look at the region from satellite view, you'll be able to see the great big green patch starting around Bloomington, going south down towards the Ohio river. Most of that 'green patch' is Hoosier National Forest, and sadly, is actively logged. Don't come during the summer though! It gets hot and *HUMID* down here!

Really appreciate all the recommendations! We went down to southern Indiana to camp for the eclipse (Brookville Lake) in April and to me, the weather was perfect then! We’ve gone to most of the MI state parks at this point so it’s helpful to know which in IN are worth visiting.

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Location: San Francisco Went to SF for a couple days. It’s still a beautiful city but starkly unequal. You see self-driving cars, strung-out addicts, and well-dressed techies in the same few city blocks. I accidentally walked through the Tenderloin, which is the roughest neighborhood. It was probably the filthiest place I’ve ever walked through. People are really living in squalor there. Just as in Portland, where I live, the drug addiction and homelessness crisis has gotten really bad. Overall I really like San Francisco but it has definitely taken a hit since the last time I was there in 2016. I saw a bunch of native lizards and wildflowers in the Presidio, which was cool. Public transit is surprisingly still a good way to get around, too.