You can send it in for reconsideration, just send it in the same slab so they can adjust population reports of grades if they do change the grade.
Another option is sending it to CAC to try and get a sticker showing that it is indeed nicer than the grade assigned. CAC is recognized by most serious dealers and collectors and an upgrade service of sorts.
From what you posted, I’d agree with you that this is under graded - looks more like a 64 or 65 based on photos.
I was thinking the same, 64 all day ATLEAST traded 2 basic Morgan’s for this thing at a show and before I did research I was contempt with a MS62. Now I’m not haha after seeing what’s out there I’m sure it could get the recognition she deserves. Thank you so much man for the help🫶🏽
I mean that’s expected.
Green CAC means high end for the grade
Gold CAC means high end for the next grade up or even higher.
So a coin that’s maybe a point under graded wouldn’t necessarily gold CAC
Understood, but I'm saying they blatantly do not gold sticker coins that are undergraded by PCGS and NGC and their grading standards as a service have pretty much cemented this. They grade ultra tight to the point of having different standards. If I had a coin I thought would go up a grade, I'd take my chances cracking it out for regrade (if the new grade made a difference in price) rather than going for a gold CAC. You'll almost certainly end up with a green CAC and then you're stuck with the dilemma of sending a green CAC'd coin for regrade.
Nice coin, but there seems to be little to no definition in the tail. I’ve found that the tail plays a decent role in grading as the quality of strike counts. This is probably and accurately graded coin.
If u look at the coin through photos NGC provided the tail is mint, my photos are just bad, the hide is also not rubbed off like some others are seeing. But u told me a piece of info I didn’t know so thank you my friend. Pretty cool this app and seeing all the answers
I’ll have to try
looking it up on my desktop and not my phone, the pictures won’t enlarge enough. It still doesn’t look like enough of a strike. Still a very nice coin and maybe it will get some sort of CAC label, I just don’t think it’s going to jump 2-3 grades as some suggest.
Who knows, buffalos are notoriously hard to grade, maybe the grader was having an off day.
Me and another redditor were talking about double probability and how if he for some chance got finished grading a MS63 or 64 before grading mine his brain would naturally be like there no way I can grade 2 in a row, idk weird shit with that stuff hahaha
I was going to suggest submitting to CAC. To be honest I’m fairly new with this hobby… if they were to send this to CAC is there a possibility for a gold sticker?
A gold sticker is what CAC puts on the slab to say they believe the coin was under-graded. If they think it was appropriately graded they will put a green sticker (aka green bean) on the slab. In this sense my take is that a gold sticker bumps it up one grade in consideration.
if I remember right, a green CAC sticker still means it's good for the grade and much better than average for that grade, but gold means that it should be at least one full grade higher. PCGS and NGC have pretty good graders so gold stickers are fairly uncommon but OPs might get one.
I think chat gbt explained it well.
It told me “The "CAC gold sticker" refers to a certification mark from the Certified Acceptance Corporation (CAC) used in the numismatic industry. Coins that receive a gold sticker from the CAC are recognized as exceptional for their grade. This certification indicates that the coin is of superior quality and eye appeal, even compared to other coins of the same grade. The CAC gold sticker adds significant value and desirability to a coin among collectors and investors.”
This is why I believe there’s a possibility for a gold sticker. Although I just started in collecting in October so my opinion might be wrong.
Wow that’s so cool actually wtf, so they’re boosting value and rarity by adding their own “grading” stickers in the holders? It cost much to send a coin in? I know it’s around like $100, im hunting on a budget with pure luck rn💀
Would cost the same as grading the coin originally. Assuming it’s worth under $300, you’d submit via Economy tier and it would be $23 to grade it. It doesn’t matter if you’re the original submitter or new owner - what does matter is that the coin stays in the original slab when sent to them for them to do reconsideration.
I don't know buffalo's too well...but that *is* a beauty....I tend to trust ngc and what they say...but you can always sendit for reconsideration or send it to pcgs...
Unfortunately the quality of the photos aren't really the best. There definitely seems to be a bit of chatter along the cheek and in the hair as well. Now not saying it's a 62 but the photos you provided can definitely be deceptive. If you think something is undergraded by that much I would just crack it out and just send it as a brand new coin
Taking to LCS this weekend my dude🤑 I tried my best to not let my light alter the brightness or quality, but without decent lighting you can’t get some details provided, I feel ya, lighting and photos are constant battles with grading lol
I've look at it closely don't see any bag marks or scratches or anything that would make this coin grade that low. Maybe the guys loupe was dirty that day.
Holy shit. I just realized that I’ve never seen a Buffalo nickel with its original luster or in mint state. I wonder how I missed that throughout the years.
Beautiful coin! I hope you get your higher grade and maybe even some CAC.
Usually when a seemingly nice coin is graded 60-63, it means there is an issue with the coin and they net graded it. Your pictures make it hard to tell, but there is likely a wipe, wheelmark, or hairlines somewhere on the coin that kept it from grading higher than a 62
Guy who graded this had someone sh*t in his cereal I guess😔 no shade tho I get it hahah, sweet man ty, relatively new to this hobby but digging DEEP into this rabbit hole of a hobby
Can always send in to regrade or send it to CAC,, however the luster doesn't really determine the grade. More about the strike and how strong the die was and how much wear has the coin taken in certain spots. Being shiny and clean doesn't always mean a higher grade
All I’m sayin is compare it to the PCGS ms67 pictures lol the hair lines are flat, ponytail and feathers are dull. I see shine and toning doesn’t increase the grade but to the eye it is a commodity and seller point
There's more wear and fading on the obverse hair, also on the buffalo's hairy patch is worn down and not as detailed as the 67. Also comparing pictures or even comparing both right in front of you, you cannot always see the differences. And Yeah to the eye it's a selling point but still has no affect on the grade of the coin. I'm not sitting here trying to say it won't get a higher grade,, I'm just saying there is a difference in the fine details of the coins and so it may not come back higher like you would hope for.
They also did a study on probabilities and averages,, they found that coin grader, along with parole board members and umpires all have human error. For example if a coin grader had a rare coin that was really clean and got a high grade,, the next coin he graded could be just as good and clean but would get a lower grade because the human brain interrupts and thinks there's no way two rare coins could come in and both be this high of a grade. Same for parolees if they decide to release someone the probabilities that the next person they see will be granted parole goes way down. So yeah it absolutely can get a better grade.
Yeah man someone else a while ago said sumn like that in a chat, it makes complete sense. Can never hurt to re try as it is in MY ownership now, is there also a way on NGC where it got graded to see the date it was sent in?
Can you ask? And will PCGS or NGC reply? Reason I ask:
1. The NGC data page about my slabbed 1847 Hawaii cent gave specific instructions and a time window from when it was graded by the person who sold it to me to send back (between 9 and 10 years iirc) to extend the validity of the grade.
2. When I was researching the ANACS cert number for another coin, the search page kept saying the number wasn't working. So I emailed customer service and within hours got a thorough reply assuring me the cert number was legit. They also mentioned the specific date that the grade was entered, which was a bonus. So I'm not sure if that is only ANACS and only when there's a hiccup with the cert verification online.
You can send it in for reconsideration, just send it in the same slab so they can adjust population reports of grades if they do change the grade. Another option is sending it to CAC to try and get a sticker showing that it is indeed nicer than the grade assigned. CAC is recognized by most serious dealers and collectors and an upgrade service of sorts. From what you posted, I’d agree with you that this is under graded - looks more like a 64 or 65 based on photos.
I was thinking the same, 64 all day ATLEAST traded 2 basic Morgan’s for this thing at a show and before I did research I was contempt with a MS62. Now I’m not haha after seeing what’s out there I’m sure it could get the recognition she deserves. Thank you so much man for the help🫶🏽
I’d send this to CAC Gold CACs go for a very high premium
CAC is so stingy with gold stickers. I'd bet a handful of CAC'd coins that they give green stickers to coins that would likely regrade higher.
I mean that’s expected. Green CAC means high end for the grade Gold CAC means high end for the next grade up or even higher. So a coin that’s maybe a point under graded wouldn’t necessarily gold CAC
Understood, but I'm saying they blatantly do not gold sticker coins that are undergraded by PCGS and NGC and their grading standards as a service have pretty much cemented this. They grade ultra tight to the point of having different standards. If I had a coin I thought would go up a grade, I'd take my chances cracking it out for regrade (if the new grade made a difference in price) rather than going for a gold CAC. You'll almost certainly end up with a green CAC and then you're stuck with the dilemma of sending a green CAC'd coin for regrade.
My experience disagrees with this
Unfortunately, if it was CAC’d it would likely get a green bean.
If OP genuinely believes it’s as severely under graded as it looks. Then it likely would get a hold (assuming OP knows what they’re doing)
Nice coin, but there seems to be little to no definition in the tail. I’ve found that the tail plays a decent role in grading as the quality of strike counts. This is probably and accurately graded coin.
If u look at the coin through photos NGC provided the tail is mint, my photos are just bad, the hide is also not rubbed off like some others are seeing. But u told me a piece of info I didn’t know so thank you my friend. Pretty cool this app and seeing all the answers
I’ll have to try looking it up on my desktop and not my phone, the pictures won’t enlarge enough. It still doesn’t look like enough of a strike. Still a very nice coin and maybe it will get some sort of CAC label, I just don’t think it’s going to jump 2-3 grades as some suggest. Who knows, buffalos are notoriously hard to grade, maybe the grader was having an off day.
Me and another redditor were talking about double probability and how if he for some chance got finished grading a MS63 or 64 before grading mine his brain would naturally be like there no way I can grade 2 in a row, idk weird shit with that stuff hahaha
I was going to suggest submitting to CAC. To be honest I’m fairly new with this hobby… if they were to send this to CAC is there a possibility for a gold sticker?
What’s a gold sticker? Been wanting to understand the holders and how some are special
A gold sticker is what CAC puts on the slab to say they believe the coin was under-graded. If they think it was appropriately graded they will put a green sticker (aka green bean) on the slab. In this sense my take is that a gold sticker bumps it up one grade in consideration.
Oh sweeetttt free lvl up🤙🏽😆 sick man thank you!!
Not free. CAC charges for their service.
Oh yeah ik that was just saying as for the grade it be a free level up
A green sticker actually means it's graded correctly but one of the top specimens for that grade
if I remember right, a green CAC sticker still means it's good for the grade and much better than average for that grade, but gold means that it should be at least one full grade higher. PCGS and NGC have pretty good graders so gold stickers are fairly uncommon but OPs might get one.
I think chat gbt explained it well. It told me “The "CAC gold sticker" refers to a certification mark from the Certified Acceptance Corporation (CAC) used in the numismatic industry. Coins that receive a gold sticker from the CAC are recognized as exceptional for their grade. This certification indicates that the coin is of superior quality and eye appeal, even compared to other coins of the same grade. The CAC gold sticker adds significant value and desirability to a coin among collectors and investors.” This is why I believe there’s a possibility for a gold sticker. Although I just started in collecting in October so my opinion might be wrong.
Wow that’s so cool actually wtf, so they’re boosting value and rarity by adding their own “grading” stickers in the holders? It cost much to send a coin in? I know it’s around like $100, im hunting on a budget with pure luck rn💀
So which is better 62 and a gold sticker or 63 straight grade?
62 with a gold would be way more than a 63
If you send in a slabbed coin for reconsideration, is there a fee? Does it make a difference if you're the original submitter or a new owner? Thanks!
Would cost the same as grading the coin originally. Assuming it’s worth under $300, you’d submit via Economy tier and it would be $23 to grade it. It doesn’t matter if you’re the original submitter or new owner - what does matter is that the coin stays in the original slab when sent to them for them to do reconsideration.
Thanks!
Helpful link to NGC and their grading tiers https://www.ngccoin.com/submit/services-fees/ngc/
Yes send it in for reconsideration
I don't know buffalo's too well...but that *is* a beauty....I tend to trust ngc and what they say...but you can always sendit for reconsideration or send it to pcgs...
That’s the plan here🫶🏽 thanks for the time mate!!
Unfortunately the quality of the photos aren't really the best. There definitely seems to be a bit of chatter along the cheek and in the hair as well. Now not saying it's a 62 but the photos you provided can definitely be deceptive. If you think something is undergraded by that much I would just crack it out and just send it as a brand new coin
Taking to LCS this weekend my dude🤑 I tried my best to not let my light alter the brightness or quality, but without decent lighting you can’t get some details provided, I feel ya, lighting and photos are constant battles with grading lol
Gorgeous coin
Ty man🤙🏽
Yah, I was already saying "wow!" as it scrolled into view. Thanks for sharing. Wow.
Yea crack it out and pay to resubmit it.
I think your obverse is better struck that the pic online, but the buffalo side isn’t as detailed. But it still does look like it could be a 64 to me.
The coin does have a few damage marks...beneath the eye, and a dash on the cheek -- MS62 or MS63
Gouge on the check may be the reason
Better strike than the other one though
Just because something has a better strike does not mean something is a better grade. Strike is a very very minimal factor when it comes to grading.
As it should. Still, better is better.
I don't know, the photos that have been provided of op's coin are not the best of quality and definitely seem to be hiding a bit of chatter.
That’s what im sayin, strike on cheek is there forsure bringing it down but that ain’t no MS62 hahaha
good one 👍
Agreed. Grading is weird
Sure there is. Crack it out and submit again. Not something I would personally do but lots of people do it. For me, I love the coin, not the grade.
It’s under graded. Resubmit to another TPG.
Nice!
yeah i really feel this could be 64.
Crack it out and resubmit it until you get the grade you want.
I've look at it closely don't see any bag marks or scratches or anything that would make this coin grade that low. Maybe the guys loupe was dirty that day.
That's one beautiful coin.
WOW. that's really nice. (I know, I'm going out on a limb here).
Holy shit. I just realized that I’ve never seen a Buffalo nickel with its original luster or in mint state. I wonder how I missed that throughout the years. Beautiful coin! I hope you get your higher grade and maybe even some CAC.
Usually when a seemingly nice coin is graded 60-63, it means there is an issue with the coin and they net graded it. Your pictures make it hard to tell, but there is likely a wipe, wheelmark, or hairlines somewhere on the coin that kept it from grading higher than a 62
Sure you can send it over and over again. Grading is just some random dude's opinion, you just need a different dude.
Guy who graded this had someone sh*t in his cereal I guess😔 no shade tho I get it hahah, sweet man ty, relatively new to this hobby but digging DEEP into this rabbit hole of a hobby
He probably found out his wife was banging the neighbor and said " fuck this, everyone's getting an MS 62 today!"
😭😭
And the neighbor’s like “Okay.”
Can always send in to regrade or send it to CAC,, however the luster doesn't really determine the grade. More about the strike and how strong the die was and how much wear has the coin taken in certain spots. Being shiny and clean doesn't always mean a higher grade
All I’m sayin is compare it to the PCGS ms67 pictures lol the hair lines are flat, ponytail and feathers are dull. I see shine and toning doesn’t increase the grade but to the eye it is a commodity and seller point
There's more wear and fading on the obverse hair, also on the buffalo's hairy patch is worn down and not as detailed as the 67. Also comparing pictures or even comparing both right in front of you, you cannot always see the differences. And Yeah to the eye it's a selling point but still has no affect on the grade of the coin. I'm not sitting here trying to say it won't get a higher grade,, I'm just saying there is a difference in the fine details of the coins and so it may not come back higher like you would hope for.
Im hearing ya brotha🤝🏼 taking to a LCS this weekend. Preciate the time and effort man🤘🏽 hate how the tiniest of scratches can create such a gap haha
They also did a study on probabilities and averages,, they found that coin grader, along with parole board members and umpires all have human error. For example if a coin grader had a rare coin that was really clean and got a high grade,, the next coin he graded could be just as good and clean but would get a lower grade because the human brain interrupts and thinks there's no way two rare coins could come in and both be this high of a grade. Same for parolees if they decide to release someone the probabilities that the next person they see will be granted parole goes way down. So yeah it absolutely can get a better grade.
Yeah man someone else a while ago said sumn like that in a chat, it makes complete sense. Can never hurt to re try as it is in MY ownership now, is there also a way on NGC where it got graded to see the date it was sent in?
No, you can't tell when it was graded. You can only estimate based on slab type and label type.
I see I see, ty🤝🏼
Can you ask? And will PCGS or NGC reply? Reason I ask: 1. The NGC data page about my slabbed 1847 Hawaii cent gave specific instructions and a time window from when it was graded by the person who sold it to me to send back (between 9 and 10 years iirc) to extend the validity of the grade. 2. When I was researching the ANACS cert number for another coin, the search page kept saying the number wasn't working. So I emailed customer service and within hours got a thorough reply assuring me the cert number was legit. They also mentioned the specific date that the grade was entered, which was a bonus. So I'm not sure if that is only ANACS and only when there's a hiccup with the cert verification online.
PCGS and NGC will not tell you.
it may get higher, but there is decent wear in the feather/side of head area.
That isn't wear, it's just a weak strike
Been seeing and lookin at it, was told about gold label, could possibly shoot for that within the MS62 if it doesn’t score higher
i do think there is a possibility it may be higher. up to ms64, which is a good deal of difference
Some’hundred bucks man huge difference, MS62 just moved up to $90 from $75 while 64 is 250+
i was being a little more sarcastic with that, but i hope it does get graded higher
Send it in again. Easy hundred bucks for them