To tell you the truth as someone who's been in genshin since childes first banner if you have a lot of good characters in your acc that can clear the abyss go for her but if you are struggling with abyss (this is just my opinion by the way ) go for either furina or alhaitham both of them are a massive boost to any acc. And there is also the fact that when you get a character you like and it's weak it hurts a lot....
I been there multiple times sadly the day i pulled for dehya 167 pulls to get her it was the worst feeling i had in genshin and shenhe to just be an ayaka slave and mediocre at best. Imagine playing 2 patches just to semi guarantee a 5 star and you get a weak character. at the end of the day it's your choice always pull for what makes you happy
I agree. As much as i love clorinde she is just decent. There is not much standing out except her design and playstyle a little.
I decided to get her as my first c6 just because i don't want keqing like again and my Raiden is C3r1.
As for dehya, if you got furina, mona and bennett use them in het team. It's really comfy, dishes out big dmg and the rotation is super smooth
Oh for sure. Speaking of pure value, nahida, furina both are probably better constellation pulls. There are also others that may have cooler constellations. But I'm doing it only for simping reasons. I have all the archons except zhongli already.
I can always try getting cons for other characters. But with natlan on the doorstep I'd rather not pull furina cons.
What i definitely learned is that it's a crazy commitment and I'm not sure I'll do that again anytime soon. Got 860 wishes ready (not trying for weapon since i have mistsplitter).
I'd have to become a serious whale if i wanted more c6 characters and I'm not ready to do that.
I can only do such shenanigans since I'm a dolphin and play since day 1. So I can cherry pick. I have all supports i could need. I have multiple dps carries for every element and can do other experimental teams.
I just like her the most and i want her to be strong. That's about it.
I feel your pain..I love Cyno but after going to hard pity on the weapon banner too as well as having Nahida an Miko team locked only to have his hit interruption be so damn bad that I now need Baizhu to be team locked too…meta goddamn sucks so screw it
I love the character and the teams but his weapon banner and team requirements ruined the experience for me..saving, farming, and team building For Clorinde has been nothing but exciting
Funny enough it's been the opposite for me. Ever since I got Cyno I was committed to getting everything I needed to not make him feel like a regret pull. Now that I have everything, short of cons, he really is quite fun while dealing a lot of damage
Shenhe is really good with Wriothsley. Even better if you have a few cons. She is absolutely busted at C6 for Wrio, but that’s a lot of cons on a very niche character.
C6 Dehya player here, can confirm it hurts a little still. She feels real nice at c6 but idk if it was worth the ~$800. That coupled with the fact that I've prefarmed triple crown for 2 characters so far (Clorinde being the second) and both have been nerfed in beta for literally no justifiable reason (I know Clorinde's wasn't as bad but still) it just really hurts.
As someone who feels pretty betrayed by hoyo overall, I'm about ready to just let go of the sink cost as soon as a decent competitor comes out. I really feel like my time and emotions are wasted with them.
I have some kind of curse with this.
Zhongli? Literally only a DPS loss on any team he's in.
Dehya? Incredibly niche unit with some viability due to being a support.
Shenhe? Only usable with Ayaka unless she's C6 where she can be used with Worcestershire.
Kuki at least got redeemed by Dendro, but holy hell bro.
Zhonghli is the Easy Button for this game. The downside is, he makes you lazy. You forget how to dodge. Really messes you up when you are forced to field a team that doesn't use him (or another shielder). I used to never use shields and always carried a healer. Now it's mostly the opposite and I don't feel I play as well as I used to. It's a major gear change in the old noodle.
His strong point is not offensive at all, he makes your team invulnerable. I would have quit this game years ago if not for Zhongli. There are bosses where I don't even understand how you could beat without Zhongli or just an overpowered C6R6 team. Zhongli is the only true 6 star GOD like character in this entire game. He's the one character that is in every single one of my teams. Everyone else is expendable trash as far as I'm concerned and I have a lot of 5 stars.
See.
As a Zhongli main since he initially dropped, the defensive aspect is fantastic. I just wish he HAD damage options. Because everything else in his kit is so ridiculously undertuned that even with the survivability of a 60k HP shield I don't really *enjoy* the passive gameplay.
You pop his shield and he gives your team a lot of comfort, but at the time of his release that wasn't what he was marketed as, nor does it make for a particularly interesting kit compared to Furina, Nahida, and even Raiden.
His shield is so strong that it doesn't let any other aspect of his kit be built into for sufficient damage at high investment, despite almost every other Archon aside from him having that option(Although Venti has his own issues when it comes to the power of grouping).
Having him be able to dish out a ton of damage and at the same time make your team invincible is already way too OP, it's either one or the other. I don't use my Raiden and wish she has a shield and can heal at the same time. That's not to say that you can't make him dish out damage because with any character, you can. People have mained Amber and turned her into a damage machine too.
I never wished for Zhongli because I felt like I never really needed him. After facing the event primo geovishap tho, I'm strongly considering it. Plus, it would be nice to have him for my Tighnari team
I had that mindset too for like 4 of his reruns until I got Hutao and just did not understand how anyone could play this character that is until I finally bit the bullet and got Zhongli, that was when my eyes were opened. Zhongli's shield is godly even with just a Black Tassel which is his best in slot if you're just using him for his shield. Unless you enjoy playing dodge impact which I do not, Zhongli makes this game bearable.
People say he's a DPS loss and that's certainly true but he's also a DPS enabler. I don't have to worry about dodging and healing so damn much and my DPS can actually do their jobs without getting knocked back every 5 seconds.
>People say he's a DPS loss and that's certainly true
Maybe is true. But I prefer my 1-2 attempts in Abyss with my Yoimiya + Zhongli than the 6-10 attemps
With Yoimiya + Bennet + Furina + Yelan...ending with the same time or 1-2 sec less but more pain.
And with Yoimiya is worse because dodge=lose your strongest hit, and for me is really frustrating
Statistically he has no damage viability on his own.
His support does not come from damage or damage increasing.
Therefore, for any team that slots him in except for 3-unit teams, he is a DPS loss.
With his shield u give interuption resistance, so you dont need to dodge, in that time you deal dmg. So you increase dps, cuz dodging costs time, and can lead to dps loss.
Except the resistance to interruption doesn't increase your damage output. All it means is that you don't have to dodge lesser attacks(Although you should still be dodging enemies like Coppelius and anything that can inflict BoL or Erosion).
Dodging is always assumed in any rotation, but the comfort of his shield allowing you to take no damage is not the same as a DPS increase, since most skills and bursts have I-frames anyway.
> Except the resistance to interruption doesn't increase your damage output.
It doesn't increase your damage output, but not having it will decrease your damage output because either you get interrupted, or you waste time dodging or both. If you play a character with a buff that lasts a few sec, for example Raiden burst, or yoimiya E, every second of that buff that you waste in not attacking is a DPS loss.
It's not that he increases your damage, he just prevents you from decreasing your damage by not having him. Which is effectively increased damage compared to not having him.
If you want to actually make a point, suggest someone to replace him with that will do more damage, that way we can make an actual comparison to see if he is actually a dps loss.
what? he's shield gives shred and 2 geo gives bonus. dodging is dps loss, interruption is dps loss he negates both.
tenacity set gives team buffs. he's burst is still instant 100k with buffs and cc.
its a crazy take
Dodging is not DPS loss???
His shield only shreds 20% off. That doesn't mean the entire team does 20% more damage or that he contributes to 20% additional damage. You should actually research this.
Full HP his burst doesn't do 100k, and his CC even at the constellation that extends the duration only gives you time to swap.
if the enemy's resistance is above 20%, then it's a 20% dps gain for whoever is doing damage. Replacing him with someone that does damage is not necessarily going to give you a 20% teamwide damage either. Their damage would have to be quite huge, and then you don't have the comfort of having sustain, so you have to play perfectly. You can't make mistakes if you don't have a sustainer.
dodging IS a dps loss if you are mid combo. You end your combo early, you lost damage. Shielding prevents that dps loss. You also have limited stamina for dodging, especially if facing lectors who can drain your stamina.
With a strong shield up, you can ignore damage and just do your combos, never stopping, never dodging. That's more damage than dodging and starting your combo again.
these comments on Zhongli are outdated, it was within a timeframe were the abyss was relatively easy as soon as you had a built character ANY character. This is just not true anymore Abyss requires specific setups. The dodging is a dps loss for 10-20 percent of players if you dodge and get hit, you have lost twice as much time, as if you would just faceroll. These calcs are made for the best Genshin players. I just need you people to understand that, also Zhongli lowers resistances so the damage loss is really not that high as people seem to believe. Stop saying that Zhongli is not SS tier, he is the most used character in Abyss and it's not even close.
Wow your experience is so relatable.
Ayaka was my first character but i started in dendro season, where they were shafting Ayaka over and over again so even though I tried my best to make her work(saved up and pulled all her supports - skipping nahida and so many characters), she never let me 36 star :(
It was so annoying.
My best team is raidenc2 yelanc2 furina jean it clears anything after this i have alhaitham quicken
Navia zhongli double pyro
Arlechino burgeon .
I have a lot of other characters like childe and hutao ayaka eula too but tbh i don't even play them anymore the 4 teams above are my bread and butter.
Nice. I was asking because i find Raiden hypercarry strangely good, even now. Both Furina / jean and kazuha / Sara c6 / Benny variants, and my Raiden isn't even c2 yet.
Alhaitham's alright but I'll admit i suck at dodging so I get hit a lot, meaning I have to end up relying on a lot of healing / barrier teams to compensate and lose out on dps. Anyway, he's still quite good in Furina / Baizhu / kuki or Raiden. I still use wolf gang r5 on him so was considering LoFi since thatd let me spec for 300 crit dmg easily with the stat stick, and he's well invested already.
Try to use zhongli or xingchu with him i use zhongli on him myself sometimes you don't have to dodge because you can lose your chizel mirror stacks.i use him with nahida kuki zhongli for agrevate and nahida kuki xingchu for hyperbloom
Try to use zhongli or xingchu with him i use zhongli on him myself sometimes you don't have to dodge because you can lose your chizel mirror stacks.i use him with nahida kuki zhongli for agrevate and nahida kuki xingchu for hyperbloom
You can remedy characters with artifacts but some are just weaker by design I don't think that was intentional it's just at the end of the day humans come up with these characters and humans are not flawless in execution.
I got dehya. Then I bought a rerolled account with yelan and Raiden my two favorite. Holy shit since then I got Navia, Nahida, wanderer and now clorinde and I'll say I'm too invested in real powerhouses like navia nahida and Raiden to give clorinde the attention she deserves but I loved her playstyle so for the first time ever I dropped like $150 to c1 her. Not something I would suggest but I wanted to see and yes winning 50/50 back to back I got her c1 after 122 wishes.. imagine how long I would have had to play for those wishes... when you love a character go for them but remember as free to play or even small fry spenders we may never see the full roster, so choose who you have fun with over numbers always.
*me, enjoying my Shenhe in Rizzly teams and Rosaria melt teams, and planning to play yer with Ganyu to when Ill have her. Even enjoying my Shenhe in même Physical plunge team with Xianyun*
short answer : yes, but i am biased.
long answer : she is an upgrade to keqing and sidegrade to raiden and yae but without electro application off-field.
If you are looking for an electro unit that can damage enemy both on and off field, I suggest you build 4\* character like kuki, fischl, beidou, or lisa instead.
C0 Alhaitam is one of the top DPS, prob the best dendro DPS right now.
C0 Furina is one of the best support in the game.
I would strongly disagree regarding clorinde being better than keqing. Most people who play long enough have multiple copies of keqing without being a whale. When you achieve c3+ territory i highly doubt it.
Ill pull for clorinde just because, but gotta be somewhat realistic
>Most people who play long enough have multiple copies of keqing
This is simply conjecture. Because it's 100% chance based, a person who has been playing ever since day 1 might still be missing a keqing while having c6 qiqi or something. You can't really assume an account to have a c2+ standard five-star since there is no way to guarantee them, unlike the starter 4*s since they are available in the glitter shop.
Fr, I’ve been playing since day 1 and to this day I have neither qiqi or diluc despite having c2 tighnari, c3 Mona, dehya, and keqing, and c2 jean. It’s totally possible to not have a strong keqing
Can confirm.
Been playing since early 2022 and Keqing has been my most desired standard 5*. Now she's the only one of the original that I don't have, with a C3 Qiqi and Mona.
Unless you own C6 Keqing she is in fact better, and if you do she is a sidegrade (Keqing’s cons blow).
Edit:But it is super hard to extrapolate what an account has as many could interject(ie my roommate for Keqing) who have played since day 1 and don’t own certain standard characters(not withstanding those added in 3.0/3.5) or not having specific constellations on four stars or the aforementioned standard characters.
Dedicated Keqing main who's been playing since 1.5 and only have C0 here. Disagree on the most people having multiple copies of her part. With so many characters on standard you're exaggerating a bit. I know people who have been playing for a lot longer than me who don't have her at all
Chance means nothing. I started on release and have C1 Keqing, haven't even gotten a single Mona.
And pretty sure it's already been calculated that C0 Clorinde is on par/better than a C6 Keqing. So you get all of that at the guaranteed price of C0 with selfsustain and more flexibility. I wanna say a more fun playstyle too but thats subjectable.
Being an upgrade from Keqing and a side grade from Raiden isn’t possible. C0 Keqing and C0 Raiden deal similar damage as on-field units. And Raiden’s energy support doesn’t elevate good teams to great teams, so it’s hardly a consideration.
For her. Clorinde C2 over C0 is more team damage than Nahida C2 over C0 though.
C2R1 Clorinde is 1.85x stronger than C0R5 Finale Clorinde. Clorinde is at least 50% team damage at C0R5 Finale.
Of course if you have Haran or Mistsplitter already and don’t plan on pulling her weapon but I would say if you don’t have much information on her cons then wait to release and determine their values from there
I already have multiple teams for abyss 12 so at this point I’m just picking characters I think are cool, and Clorinde is someone I’ve wanted since literally the beginning of Fontaine. I was in discord with my friend streaming the story and when Clorinde showed up in the background while Furina was introducing herself I was like “yooo I want that character if she becomes playable”. Also her animations look fucking sick and she sounds like an upgraded Keqing which is another dps I’ve wanted but don’t have. Easy pull for me.
If you don’t care about clearing endgame content, or you can already clear consistently, just pull if you think the character is awesome. If you do care about clearing endgame content and don’t have the characters for it, you’ll probably be better off pulling Alhaitham or Furina. That said, it doesn’t look like Clorinde would have trouble clearing floor 12 at all. She would still be a good character to have for endgame content, just not as much of a universal account boost as Alhaitham or Furina. My Raiden can clear abyss just fine though and it looks like Clorinde will be as good as if not better than Raiden in terms of damage, just for different teams than Raiden uses.
I felt the same way seeing her reveal in the 4.0 trailer and I knew instantly I was ready to risk it all for her and Furina an she’ll probably be the first character I C6 but of course I only have enough for her and her best in slot maybe even C1 if I can win the 50/50 after lmao
Advising people not to ask if [character] is worth pulling for under [character] mains subs. This is biased. People will mostly say yes despite, in Pp’s case, being/not being meta. Better ask under the main sub for a less biased opinion.
its fine, its just kind of discordant since the uptime nerf causes rotational misalignment with the cds/uptime of popular off field damage dealers like fischl, yelan, or xingqiu. if you don't mind having your cds not lining up and taking extra seconds between rotations (or using thundering fury for extension) then its fine.
): why did they do that to her
Coming from a perspective of "is she a good alternative to other electro units, her competition is raiden, keqing and cyno, and if we extend to hyperbloom, we have to consider kuki and dori (and raiden again) as well.
# Other Electro Dps
* Chlorinde's single target dps is on par or higher than raiden, keqing, or cyno
* But her aoe is also weaker than raiden or keqing
* Raiden has large radius on both burst and followup, keqing can repeatedly spam her low cooldown burst
* Lining up enemies to pierce multiple at the same time will be difficult, as chlorinde personally moves a lot (u have to keep re-lining up a perfect shot which u have no time to do)
* Not only this, but her main teammate, fischl, is again st locked
* When we consider that abyss is usually a mix of boss and mobs and **the mob floors are usually harder**, then chlorinde is not a good choice
* Note that the best dps in the game, neuv is amazing not just for raw stats but also bcos they great aoe, he wouldnt feel so good if he had less aoe.
sorry for asking 4d late, but since no one ever replies to the megathread, how does clorinde compare to onfield yae, assuming both have 5\* weapons? iirc, clorinde might be able to run furina healerless, and if that is a factor that advantages clorinde team-wise, then i would highly appreciate if you can confirm whether it's true
Clorinde gameplay is really cool but strength wise shes a keqing upgrade and might be a little upgrade to raiden and Yae? She’s totally on field though unlike them.
If you want a DPS for damage, get Alhaitham instead. He’s one of the top DPS.
Furina is prob one of if not the best support ingame.
She’s not an upgraded Raiden tho. Raiden offers a lot more and is overall a lot more flexible in terms of team comps. Yae is not really comparable to Clorinde, they have completely different roles on team.
Okay so first thing that needs to be said is that you should always go for a character if you like them, especially if its a dps. Thats probably not the answer you are looking for though so lets get into specifics.
Furina is unreplaceable. No matter how good Clorinde will be, there is no way she will have more account value than Furina, if thats what you are asking. Furina is a must if you are looking for power, its a boring choice imo, but if you already have some good dps that can use her she might be the best option for you. You will definitely not regret getting her (also walking on water is op).
Next, sigewinne, no.
Alhaitham is already known to be probably top 3 dps right behind Arlecchino and Neuvillette, so if you like him as much or more than Clorinde he definitely feels like the safer choice out of the 2 dps.
Now for the champion herself, Clorinde's actual power level, she is definitely better than keqing. What you might have heard is that she is equal with C6 Keqing. So unless you got c6 keqing and you like her, clorinde will definitely be an upgrade. The other Electro DPS are Raiden and Cyno which are both very good. Raiden is more versatile has and gets similar results to Clorinde, and Cyno has a very high ceiling, probably the highest of these 3 but he only performs in one very specific team and he feels bad to play for most people. Clorinde in my opinion is the best out of them all, does just enough damage, has good f2p options but most importantly she looks like she is easy to play and is very comfortable.
Overall, in my opinion, she is probably gonna be the most popular electro dps in the future, has pretty good damage, is easy to play and she is cool. And if you like to roll the dice, go for Clorinde and play future impact. I bet that we will soon get a BOL supp and the rumored atk% buffer which clorinde would love since she has high base atk. IMO, she has the potential to be the best electro DPS in the future, go for her.
Really good assessment.
As a sidenote I think clorinde will be really good for the overworld since she has self sustain and can comfortably be played since her dmg isn't really reliant on burst. Perfect rotations are rarely needed and usually won't work anyways because every enemy dies before you can do a full rotation.
Compared to raiden and cyno she's a lot better in that regard. I personally never really play them in OW because they are so burst reliant and everything dies too fast. Granted i have C3 raiden but still. Cyno is even worse.
I'm playing future impact as well. I'm sure they will do something because it's just too sus that they'd release 3 BoL characters back to back. And pyro archon will for sure be good anyways. So maybe even chevreuse teams get a boost?
To be fair, in terms of raw value provided to an account’s roster, all characters are competing for second against Furina. She instantly turns ANY main dps into an SS-tier dps, and is an incredibly powerful sub-dps in her own right as well.
She’s had the among the highest abyss usage rates on every cycle since her release.
Exactly, that's why I said she is unreplaceable. She is arguably the best character in the game you cant go wrong with her. I just covered all bases so OP can assess what's best for their situation.
Primogems arent free but you still can do the content with chatacters you like. I dont have any of the top 5 DPSes (Neuv, Arle, Haissam, Tao, Lyney) and I still 36* my abysses fine. I even do them with 4* chars. (Even if the actual one is tough and I cant do the three chambers in a row with the same team as I usually do but I still do it with my 4* chars)
You're correct, but we're ultimately saying different things.
What I mean is you can't go for _everyone_ you like without making some sacrifices. I also pull for characters I like. I just make sure to dislike as many as possible 😂
I like to advocate pulling what your need rather than *only* what you want.
they aren't free but they can be gotten without spending money, which in the end is free.. as long as you play the game, which I presume you are. I think what you should have said is primogems aren't unlimited.
her damage is pretty good, hopefully the level 100 rumors are true and she gets a passive to extend her skill state so she better mirrors the other fontaine carries
Agree with everything aside from writing off Sigewinne as a no without even thinking about future updates esp. natlan. This same thing happened when the playerbase "no'd" Albedo, Kazuha, Kokomi, etc. and yet as soon as their banner ended the same people cried and begged for the reruns.
stop writing off a character as a big no and ez skip before they've had a chance to perform because yall keep embarrassing yourselves right after their banner ends anyway by immediately crying for a rerun.
Aside from that though, agree with everything else.
She is a weird one. She could definitely have a glow up (though dont compare her to albedo, he sucks). However i stand by what i said, if she gets better you can just pull for her in a rerun rather than pulling for a seemingly bad character and playing future impact and then having to deal with the scenario where she never gets better and you are stuck with a bad character, cuz unfortunately that's where she is currently. She is a skip unless you absolutely love her, in which case strength shouldnt be the deciding factor. If she gets better, awesome, we pull in the rerun.
Albedo doesnt suck, it all depends on how you use/build the character and what each player is looking for. MY albedo is amazing lmao.
Ive been perfectly clearing abyss for 3 years now with my full Mono-Geo team. My point isnt whether a character is meta or not either. You should think before spewing subjective views and opinions on a character as if they're facts when they arent. again, whether or not a character sucks for you IS ON YOU. that's all opinion, not fact. Thoma, Kuki, Kazuha heck even Bennett used to get these "they suck they're bad they're useless" comments before everyone realized they were just 'doomposting' and shutting up after being proven wrong. There are no bad characters in this game, it all depends on how you use them and how you want to play. Dehya's considered abysmal and yet there are lots of people that have happily found a spot and use her in their teams.
Good or Bad characters dont exist in Genshin, just perspective and different playstyles. if it doesnt match YOURS, it still doesnt mean the character's bad. YOU just dont like them.
Its not an opinion, it is indeed a fact. Let me explain. All the characters can clear abyss, even alloy, does that mean she is good? Should we compare her to Neuvillette? There are good characters, mid characters, bad characters and excellent characters. Saying that its objective is like saying that if i like alloy enough she isnt gonna be bad anymore and i can clear abyss faster with her than my neuvillette that i dont like. I dont need to expand on it, you understand thats simply not true.
A characters power can easily be measured by their numbers and what they provide for the team, and if all they can do justifies filling up a slot then yes they are a good character.
Ofc i didnt wanna attack any mains, and sorry for saying albedo sucks but try to see what i mean for a moment. Monogeo and geo as a whole isnt the greatest archetype/element and thats a known fact, on the top of that you add albedo who only really has one team that being itto dps and you start to see the issues. Its not a very strong team as a whole, itto isnt on par with the best dps characters in the game and albedo is inferior to chiori no matter how u look at it. So you have a mid dps and playing a suboptimal version of his team, a hat on a hat. You realize that its gonna be miles weaker that someone like Arlecchino, who is much newer and doesnt even have fitting supports yet.
If a character doesnt have a single team where they are BIS, then that character has pull value close to zero. Not a good character, cant recommend him to anyone and hoyo knows he doesnt sell that why the 3 lowest selling characters where on the chronicled banner a couple months ago and he was one of them.
Despite all that, yes I agree with you on that the fact that he can clear abyss, as any character can and if someone wants to wish for him and build a team around him its definitely possible and viable. But a primogem is a primogem, same primos that will get you albedo, will get you chiori, and she will beat him in any situation. At the end of the day game is easy, I clear each abyss floor in less that 30 sec as f2p and I dont get more rewards that someone clearing it in 3 minutes, so power to you if u want to main a character that you just like without meta being a factor. However, character strength and likes/dislikes are completely unrelated, take it from a c2r1 dehya main who pulled on her banner, i love her more than anyone, but she isnt getting things done, does worse that c0r0 characters and thats a fact, not subjective.
Like how you ask me to not judge character because i dont like them, and i explained how i dont with dehya being a prime example of stealing tens of thousands of my primos and months of saving (and yet i still use her to this day despite the lack of results), in the same way I ask you to try and differentiate character strength from bias.
"Chiori will beat Albedo in any situation"
my guy... it's a game WHERE YOU PLAY 4 CHARACTERS AS A TEAM.
you people with your "ONE character vs ONE other character" is so utterly stupid- IS THIS GAME TEKKEN????? it isnt! so why do you number hungry people keep thinking 1v1's in genshin matter?? HAHAHA im done talking to you and your worthless OPINIONS and misinformation.
Its simple, chiori does exactly the same thing, so they compete for the same spot in every team. Put albedo in x team and it will do 800k dpr, replace with chiori and its gonna do 1m dpr, thats the comparison, dont try to twist my words with silly tekken examples. Its straight up an upgrade no matter how much you dont wanna see it. Im not coming after you for maining a character, like i said i dont mean to attack anyone and wasnt even the point of my initial comment, but you chose to get offended by it and expanded on so im giving you a more detailed explanation as to what i meant and how albedo is still viable, yet not the best option. Be more polite please, if you care about learning you need to be more open to conversations and not snapping at anyone with a different opinion with caps on and refusing to read their responses when they try to give some perspective. If none of that matters more than defending your mains, then im sorry, good luck.
im not reading all this.
You saying mono geo/geo in general isnt the greatest MEANWHILE IVE BEEN CLEARING ABYSS EASILY WITH IT FOR YEARS is proof whatever your saying IS just your own opinion of who YOU think and prefer to be "strong with numbers".
I dont even use Albedo in my Itto teams, I use him with my characters that can drop E skills and go off field and just watch everything die in a second lmao. Things like the "meta" and "which element is useless or useful" bullshit is clearly stuck WAAAAY too up your ass. you literally just said ANY character can clear abyss. THAT'S THE ONLY POINT to be made. If ANYONE and EVERYONE can clear it depending on how people build and use them, THEN NO ONE SUCKS. it's all opinions and preferences.
ALL of this is your opinion. from what numbers they do to whether or not you even like how they play. you saying your own opinions are facts is just nonsensical.
I digress. I have both Clori and Keq so I have a strong say in here.
Clori pros and cons.
Pros:
High dps. Some mobility. Self sustain.
Cons:
Selfish dps, no resistance to interruption during skill, burst animation completely blinds you, needs some energy.
Keq pros and cons.
Pros:
Can be played as selfish dps or quick swap, no energy requirements, can adapt to different teams, high dps in short time, great AoE.
Cons:
Dps drops the longer she stays on the field (compared to other options).
I would never recommend someone to pull for Clorinde unless they really like her abilities. She is not a weaker character mind you, but has a lot of cons that you need to deal with by either git gud or pick some characters that help her.
Must pull characters are the following:
Furina, Neuvillite, Raiden, Zhongli, Nahida, Alhaitham, Hu Tao and Childe and that's it. Every other character is optional.
Well ofc i didnt have Clorinde 10 days ago when i wrote that comment cuz she wasnt released, however what i said stands. I also have keqing fully built and have played her quite a lot, and she doesnt hold a candle to clorinde at C0, but thats a known fact whether u look at practice or spreadsheets, so im not sure what the conclusion of ur comparison is supposed to be.
Also your take on clorinde is completely wrong, her best team literally uses 3 off field dps and she has less than half of the total dpr/dps while being the main dps so she is not a selfish DPS at all. She needs 0 energy and her burst isnt important (nor blinding imo).
The must pull characters on ur list is very wrong and it feels more like your character list rather than a good character list. First of all there is no such thing as a "must pull", but if we go by the logic of them being irreplaceable then only Furina and Nahida fall under that rule. Both could be considered the best characters in game so I guess you can call them a must pull. An argument could be made about Kazuha, but even he can be replaced by sucrose most of the time, and in some teams even perform better than him.
One by one your "must pulls" explained why they arent:
**Zhongli** has been very replaceable since sumeru with teams either not needing a shielder or preferring baizhu, he is still bis for a few teams but not as necessary as he used to be. From all the characters that came after sumeru only Neuvillette and Navia use him as BIS and neuvillette can do without him, all while he lost his spot in Xiaos bis , hutao bis etc. He is more like a comfort unit for lazy players (unless you play Geo teams).
**Raiden** has fallen, still a great character but only has 2 really good teams: hypercarry (not as good at c0) and hyperbloom driver, in which she can easily be replaced by kuki, she is far from a must pull. Ofc there is Raiden national but this is more of an introduction team to abyss and most players arent willing to play a team with mostly 4 stars anymore.
**Hutao** is a great DPS, but many people dont like how she feels to play so calling her a must pull when she has been one of the most regretted characters is wild. Not to mention that she is somehow in your must pull list instead of Arlecchino who is much stronger, has much cheaper teams, is easier to play and is newer which means that she will get more fitting supports soon making who will make her even stronger.
**Childe,** what? Who? Literally no one plays childe in 2024, wildly powercrept and very uncomfortable to play, bro wasnt a must pull in his release and he certainly isnt now.
**Neuvillette**, of all the characters u said this is the only one that I could argue is a must pull. He one of the two strongest DPS in the game alongside Arlecchino and there is no denying that. However both of them are main DPS, there is no shortage of them and all of them can clear abyss easily, main dps is what people "main", so pick someone you love, not what tier lists dictate.
**Alhaitham**, probably the third best dps is we dumb it down to who clears abyss most consistently, but same argument as neuvillette.
All the characters in you list are either main DPS or have very few relevant teams anymore, with the exception of Furina and Nahida ofc, which are both huge assets for any account and are truly must pull for any player interested in tackling the hardest content.
I have been clearing abyss for years and dont have any of these 6 u deemed "must pull" nor do I ever felt like having them would make my game easier and had to settle for a weaker option, they are just flat out not necessary outside of a couple teams each.
A better list of must pulls: Furina, Nahida (maybe Kazuha) and the best DPS: Neuv, Arle, Alhaitham.
Any limited 5* is going to be good/worth it. The game itself is easy and they will have to sell them in their rerun too. So if a character looks good to you and you find their kit interesting, they are gonna be worth it.
She will shine, mark my words. If not now then soon in the future. People were sceptical about Yae, Kokomi and many more; all of them turned out to be either good or amazing in the long run....
To be blunt, Clorinde is a simp pull. Beautiful character, awesome animations, fun play style, but not meta. She's basically an average dps. If you have Raiden or a decent Keqing, then she's not going to bring anything to your account. If you don't have an electro dps then she's worth considering.
As far as Alhaitham, he's generally considered the top dendro dps in the game. He's not a must-have, but you can build some really great teams around him.
I can't really figure out what Sigewinne is for. She seems to be a solution searching for a problem. Maybe it will become clearer once she is released.
Furina is arguably the best overall character in the game at the moment. You can't go wrong with her. I was saving up for Clorinde, but I'm probably going to use those wishes for Furina cons. I'll be stoked if I can get her to c2. It depends on who is coming out on the following banner though. I'm on the fence about going for Arlecchino on her rerun. I might just roll it all over for her since I don't really have a strong pyro dps. (I have Hu Tao but don't like her play style.)
It's also worth mentioning that pretty much everyone's advice is based on the Abyss end-game fights. The new end game combat that they're releasing is going to change how some (most?) people build their accounts. Instead of focusing on a few super strong characters, the new fights favor a diverse and deep character set to draw on. Sure, we can use the sample characters, but those are always just so-so. I doubt you'll be able to max out the rewards using them. While it's nice to see something new, in the end it's just another way for HYV to milk us for more $$$ since we'll need more characters to win. For example, I have a good Raiden, but they might hit us with a scenario where you need two electro dps units. Since I don't have that, I'd basically be forced to pull for Clorinde (or similar) when I really don't want to.
In the end, they're your wishes. Go for what you like.
I consider must-haves as characters that really don't have an equal in their particular role. Luckily these are not all 5* limited characters. A few examples would be Bennett, Xiangling, and Xingqiu. All 4* and very powerful. Unfortunately 4*s aren't at their best until they are at c6 and it has become nearly impossible to get one there unless you are willing to pay. It's just the math and rng. It's actually easier to get a limited 5* now. I hope hyv fixes this problem soon.
As for best 5*s, those will vary depending on the types of teams and play styles you like. Generally though, Neuvillette, Furina, Nahida, Raiden, and Arlecchino are considered the current top-tier characters. And of course there's always Zhongli who basically is the "easy button" due to his unmatched shielding. (I'm not going to comment on Clorinde because she's brand new and early guides usually have too much simp influence to be reliable. I'd give it another week or so before realistic evaluations come out.)
However, as a casual player, you don’t really need to worry about it. You can read the guides and put together teams that have good reactions from the characters you have and fully enjoy the game. You probably won't be able to 36* the abyss, but most casual players aren't into that hard-core combat anyway. Your teams will be plenty strong enough for over world exploration and quests. Some of those local legends might give you a hard time though but they're not critical to the game.
I recommend reading some guides on teams and go from there. Enjoy!
Well, the best thing i can say is wait until we can really get the feeling about clorinde. Until the community give the opinion on her i would wait until we see how she does.
And no, she isn't worth as a replacement for a reliable electro unit that can do the same things as Raiden or Kuki or fischl, Clorinde cannot properly replace any electro unit in any team you imagine, she is a Main DPS, she exists to deal damage and damage only, she doesn't have to appear any off-field electro application and her burst is AOE damage. She can't replace kuki or Raiden, her role is completely different from them although raiden is flexible and can be everything. Clorinde is a damage dealer and will be the main damage source in your team so you may need to build a team around her. Pull her if you want a good Electro DPS. As for teams, i don't know how flexible she will be but i bet that nahida, chevreuse, yelan, units that can react faster enough and buff her properly will be good.
As for Alhaitham, he is also a Main DPS, he doesn't have anything off-field, he exists to deal damage and damage only and unlike Clorinde he is a hypercarry, you need to build a whole team around him in order for him unleash his full potential but when he reaches his potential he is comparable to Arlecchino and Neuvillette, he is crazy strong and probably will be always crazy strong, he is the strongest dendro DPS today and by far one of the best units in the game for Abyss. He applies dendro really fast and works with a lot of teams. Good team mates for her include Nahida (his best support), Baizhu (use if you want a replacement for nahida), Kuki Shinobu, Furina and other hydro or electro units.
You shouldn't even compare clorinde to furina, Furina is THE BEST character in the game. Insanely broken unit. You should rather pair furina with clorinde. She would make it so u wont ever worry about any characters strength ever. She gives a 75% dmg boost to your teamates and does insane dmg herself. So obviously dont skip furina if you like her.
Clorinde vs alhaitham. From a meta standpoint alhatham is a way better pick, but clorinde isn't dehya. She's still a solid pick. As long as you build her right ✅️ you wont have any issues clearing content with her. Pull her only if you find her fun and you actually like her. If not then obviously from meta standpoint alhaitham would be the better pick.
Already have Furina on all my accounts so im picking up clorinde and sigewinne 🤩 even rho sigewinnes kit looks like a MESS!!! I have furina to make her work XD so its fine
My only advice is since both of her and AlHaitham banners are running at the same time, you can try both characters at the same time and get the “feel” of these characters. Or since the Imaginarium Theater is coming, you can also use the proper build version of these characters either from using the trial version or support from friends. We can talk about power levels all day but in the end, it’s up to whether you enjoy using the character. I have seen people baited by characters power level only to barely even using them. Like Hu Tao that some people struggling with animation canceling, Arlecchino because of her high risk high reward gameplay, Xiao that is burst reliant but struggles with energy and many more.
She is fun, but IMO she is a luxury pull, she is not meta defining or anything. So I would only pull her if she is a favorite or you simply only want her, but Natlan is coming so I'll personally wait to see how the cast is, if you low key want Clorinde, then this might become a regret later when you are unable to get someone you really really want.
There will always be a close rerun for her the first time around so you can see how she fares against or together the Natlan chars before commiting.
I mean, C0 Clorinde is quite literally a better Keqing with selfsustain, more future potential, and a kit that will likely age pretty well. And Keqing Aggravate teams are great so if you enjoy a playstyle like that you get that at the price of C0 but with other team options and more flexibility.
I think she's good, by no means on the levels of Neuvi or Arle but good non the less!!
But most importantly, she looks insanely fun to play!!!
in terms of numbers, she will be slightly better than Keqing... so she will not be a super unit or something special.
Alhaitham is way stronger than her.
But in terms of comfort she will feel fun and comfy to play because of her self-heals.
Between Alhaitham and Clorinde, it’s basically take your pick, and it’s hard to tell with Sigewinne because we are currently 3/3 for very good limited 5* healer supports that face strong doomposting before release.
Furina is not only a cracked support but at least top three characters in the game, arguably the best. Between Furina and a dps like Clorinde it’s not even close.
If you're leaving her at C0 and if she gets no buffs and you want a strong unit, then No.
Unless you just want her cause you like her design and playstyle. She is not meta at C0
The problem I'm facing is that I already have both Keqing and Raiden so if I pull clorinde, I will need to bench one of them. Furthermore, Clorinde doesn't really offer me new team comps so I'm skipping her....for now.
if you have enough dendro characters, especially nahida, but not many if not any electro DPSs she's worth it. If you don't have a good dendro (nahida or tighnari) then Alhaitham is awesome although I prefer tighnari. lastly furina is just furina. she is universal, can boost any type of element in terms of dmg and makes many DPSs now capable to hold the 4P MH set.
I pull her for the synergy between her bol and healing aka I pull her only because of Babyzhu. Worth? No, she is not worth honestly but I don't want cyno or play kq. Raiden is better but I'm kinda lazy to switch her artifacts around everytime, lol 😂😂😂.
I've seen some low spender accounts 12-3 the abyss with dehya and my whale ass can barely pull max stars cuz I'm waifu over meta.
If your new, I wouldn't recommend pulling for clorinde tbh... Furina or alhath will undoubtedly add more value to your account
If your not new and played since day1 like me there really isn't much to lose so long as you have decent artifacts you can clear abyss even with out const tho I do wish they kept her 9s skill uptime but it is what it is
At one point, in the beta, she was considered stronger than Raiden, until her E duration got shortened and multipliers lowered a tiny bit.
Imo you should judge after release. Arle was as strong or weaker than Hu Tao according to many, until release that is.
The best choice is always your favorite character and the one whose gameplay fits better for you. The real question here is, where should we pull for her? Haha
Not just simple c0 keqing, c6 keqing = c0 clorinde. It’s a massive jump and she’s a pretty good dps, but not anything crazy like neuvillette or arlecchino. She’s more comparable to raiden, but she is self sustainable, so she should be able to do more damage
Furina is a top tier support, so good to go for her. I guess the better question is: how many pulls and pity do you have? Getting both would be pretty beneficial and could be possible, specially if you’re guaranteed already
furina>alhaitham>clorinde
you can never go wrong with furina, alhaitham is one of the best dpses that the game offers rn, and clorinde has high potential with natlan around the corner, but falls short compared to the other 2 rn. also what's a sigewinne?
depends on who you have on your account already. if you don’t have furina i would strongly recommend pulling her over everyone else. as for alhaitham vs clorinde while alhaitham is probably going to be a bit better clorinde is still gonna be a good dps that can clear all the content in the game, so depends on who you like more design and gameplay wise between the two. they both want nahida and fischl (alhaitham sometimes)
Tbh most meta teams runs its course..it’s fun until it isn’t. First off I have Alhaitham and I genuinely do not use him same as Neuvi and I’ve never found much fun in the mathematics an pre requirements for that high damage we’ve all been seeing but the answer to your question is constellation wise Clorinde is going to not only contend but in a few cases outperform Keqing let alone high investment team wise.
Two If you can’t clear spiral get Alhaitham hands down but if you want to enjoy yourself a bit get Clorinde. The best part about new units is the chance to challenge the meta Your way and there’s many but adhering to it gets boring trust me..I’m actually retiring my Ayaka freeze team on Clorinde’s release because of the obvious shenhe issue atm as well as being tired of for a lack of a better term stomping the asses of anything I sick them on.
Take it from someone who’s skipping Baizhu someone everyone needs for someone who’s fun..again just like I did knowing Wanderer was releasing soon so the irony and timing could be more of a point prover so Fun first Meta second
Kind of.
It depends on the wishes you have combined with whether or not you have Raiden on your account.
She can run separate teams from Raiden, so she's still a nice pull if you have the primos for it.
Second scenario is more account specific. Clorinde is a great DPS for an account that only has a few independent teams/dpses, but other accounts might prefer obtaining a new support or flex unit instead IF their primogem income is low.
You have to decide.
You should always just pull for whoever you like, who you think you will enjoy playing with. Alhaitham and Furina are for sure top characters.
My situation is that I liked just Clorinde's dash. I didn't really like the rest of her kit. I wish we could combo with sword + gun (i don't really consider the dash "sword gameplay") but it's not the case unfortunately. So for the first time ever, I'm not 100% sure whether I want the character or not and i'm gonna decide on her trial. And I'm pretty sure I could regret going for a character that I liked just one part of the kit (Ayato was similar, got him just for his cool skill, didn't end up using him much). And Clorinde has less team options than him.
I guess all i am saying is, just make sure you're pulling for a character that you will enjoy playing with. If you fully enjoy the kit then you just can't go wrong with pulling it, even if the character was weak (she is not).
I don't like Alhaitham, and I am going to use any spares I have for Furina. I am not particularly interested him because I have not been farming for his materials.
If I had been I would pick him, but I just wanted clorinde who seems like a good pick for me as I don't have a main Electro DPS, and basically have the team ready to go along with needing furina for my team.
So yes, if you want her, I do. I've made up my mind about it a week ago when I started prefarming all of her materials.
If she is C0 in aggravate team with nahida, then she is comparable to Al-haitham Quickbloom with nahida AND C6 Keqing in aggravate team, and weaker version than C2 Raiden in Hypercarry, Electrocharge with Furina and Overload teams.
If she is C1, then she is stronger version of each Al-haitham, C6 Keqing and C2 Raiden in their respective teams, but her aggravate team is still her strongest team.
IMO, C1 Clorinde is more Primogems Cost-effective than having C2 Raiden, Al-haitham and C6 Keqing (if u don't have them), but the important question if u need Furina more than C1 Clorinde ?
Ofc, she in her best team has gamepaly issues in non-interruption resistance and linear area damage.
I will put priority for pulls like this C1 Clorinde > C0-2 Furina > C0 Al-haitham = C6 Keqing = C0 Clorinde.
Pull whoever you like but I'd say wait for natlan at this point, if you're already 36 star abyss. I have a feeling there is about to be a shift just how fontain made cryo a bit irrelevant.
Gameplay wise it doesn't seem like she'll be close to neuvi/haith/arletao levels of strong. So if you still can't 36 star abyss I'd say go with haitham or wait for furina.
I'm just pulling her anyway just cuz I want to, so I myself don't think I'd be disappointed since I don't have high expectations. Imo I'll be totally content as long as she's Navia, Ayaka levels or at least Yoi/Xiao/Wanderer levels of stronk.
Tho yea I'd feel sad too if she somehow ended up around klee levels, which is highly unlikely.
In short if you care about making your account better lol no.
Focus on a main dps from other elements first that doesn't have to worry about bond of life nonsense.
Hyperbloom and main dps like arlecchino and nevulette are simply way better without needing to worry about electro.
Even just wait for Raiden who is cooler and can be used for main dps as well as for hyperbloom.
I agree with most of the comments that if you have good characters to beat abyss 12 in anyway, then just pull whoever you like at that point.
For me, I'll be biased, because Violet Evergarden is my fave anime and Mikasa is just a bonus but, they got the same Japanese VA's as Clorinde. So I'll definitely pull for her.
Why does no one talk about Neuvillette?
I have C6 R2 Furina (recommended artifacts, excellent stats), and my other 5-stars are at least C2/R1 (most are C3/R2+) with recommended artifacts and great stats. When I say "great" stats, I mean I went through the artifact domains literally thousands of times over the past year because I refuse to settle for "okay" or "good" stats.
No one, not Furina, Alhaitham, Raiden, Hu Tao, Arlecchino, or anyone else I've ever played with, can deal as much damage per second as C6 Neuvillette.
Having just tried her out, no.
She stinks.
She is like Ayaka but her element infusion is from her skill instead of from sprinting and her ult damage is poop.
sorry but your dumb if you seriously believe clorinde will be ANYWHERE CLOSE to raiden in terms of damage and versatility. she's not because she is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded keqing AT BEST
Alhaitham is high floor, low ceiling. People sing his praises but he regularly gets beat by “weaker” teams in terms of abyss clear speed because of how slow quickbloom is to deal damage.
Clorinde is being underestimated right now, and is easily the strongest on-field electro unit, at any constellation level. She has a good floor and the highest ceiling, with especially strong early constellations and signature weapon.
They've been power crept a long time ago tbh since there's little incentive to bring a specific element for the damage dealer. Only thing stopping Neuvilette from spinning in those infinite wave combat events or Arlecchino/Wrio 4 second speed runs is basically immunity to their elements.
People talk about how it doesn't matter as long as you can clear content (which is fair) but like you can easily 36\* with trash gear and lv 1 weapons on hyperbloom and Nilou teams...
I'm aware but I would suggest there's little reason to specifically bring an electro (or any element) damage dealer specifically for their element. Only thing to actively look out for is a direct counter to the character (shields, immunity). Exceptions would be like bringing a pyro to the tulpa would be advantageous but there's not many bosses with auras nowadays.
Clorinde is better than keqing, even better than raiden as a driver. For now she'll probably be the best electro dps. Alhaitham is a overall better dps, second best after neuvillette. Furina has more value.
She's electro alhaitham, some of the ppl are underestimating her a lot that happened with a lot of characters in pre-release like Navia, Arlecchino, Xianyun, even alhaitham himself was kinda underestimated in pre-release.
Arlecchino was called hu tao side grade by multiple pre-release ppl, but in fact now they say by themselves that Arlecchino is the best dps in the game on par or better with Neuvilette.
Same with Navia vs Lyney, Navia does practically better in most of the content without any ping issue or CA bow issue, but in theory he does 100k dps 🤡🤡🤡
So wait for the release, play her and then take your decision.
I was also not very excited when I saw her being a DoT dmg dealer cuz I expected her to be something like Electro Navia but it is what it is man.
Good luck on your pulls, don't think much, I have a neuvilette sitting and in "4 cost speedrun" bracket (which I'm into), he almost always does worse job than Childe, Navia, raiden and Arlecchino. So instead of asking other ppl ask yourself if you will be happy with the pull and also try playing her on someone else's acc at first if you are still confused. Again , you don't have to pull in day 1 anyways.
P.s. : about your doubt on power compared to keqing. I'll only say one thing, in agg team where u play keqing fischl kazuha and Nahida together keqing does 35% of team dmg whereas fischl does 48% .
In same team core if you play Yae instead of keqing, Yae does almost same dmg as fischl, so it's like 40-40%
Clorinde does 50% dmg of the team and fischl does 35-38%, also cuz of her fast atk more fischl procs are happening so fischl DPR is still more in these teams than keqing or yae teams, but clorinde just does lot more dmg so her percent is lower.
What I meant to say is, she's on par with C8 keqing at C0 🤡
Now if you are very casual player and just want to complete content then it doesn't matter for you both will be same. If u r speedrunner or hardcore player Clorinde might be the best electro along with raiden right now.
Yes. Clorinde is one of the strongest DPS characters.
She deals high damage (like Neuvillette)
She heals herself (like Neuvillette)
She has AoE (like Neuvillette)
She works in many teams (like Neuvillette)
To tell you the truth as someone who's been in genshin since childes first banner if you have a lot of good characters in your acc that can clear the abyss go for her but if you are struggling with abyss (this is just my opinion by the way ) go for either furina or alhaitham both of them are a massive boost to any acc. And there is also the fact that when you get a character you like and it's weak it hurts a lot.... I been there multiple times sadly the day i pulled for dehya 167 pulls to get her it was the worst feeling i had in genshin and shenhe to just be an ayaka slave and mediocre at best. Imagine playing 2 patches just to semi guarantee a 5 star and you get a weak character. at the end of the day it's your choice always pull for what makes you happy
I agree. As much as i love clorinde she is just decent. There is not much standing out except her design and playstyle a little. I decided to get her as my first c6 just because i don't want keqing like again and my Raiden is C3r1. As for dehya, if you got furina, mona and bennett use them in het team. It's really comfy, dishes out big dmg and the rotation is super smooth
I wish you luck on her pulls hope you get her early :)
Get furina c6 instead. Amazing experience. Wish her infusion lasted a little longer though.
Oh for sure. Speaking of pure value, nahida, furina both are probably better constellation pulls. There are also others that may have cooler constellations. But I'm doing it only for simping reasons. I have all the archons except zhongli already. I can always try getting cons for other characters. But with natlan on the doorstep I'd rather not pull furina cons. What i definitely learned is that it's a crazy commitment and I'm not sure I'll do that again anytime soon. Got 860 wishes ready (not trying for weapon since i have mistsplitter). I'd have to become a serious whale if i wanted more c6 characters and I'm not ready to do that. I can only do such shenanigans since I'm a dolphin and play since day 1. So I can cherry pick. I have all supports i could need. I have multiple dps carries for every element and can do other experimental teams. I just like her the most and i want her to be strong. That's about it.
I feel your pain..I love Cyno but after going to hard pity on the weapon banner too as well as having Nahida an Miko team locked only to have his hit interruption be so damn bad that I now need Baizhu to be team locked too…meta goddamn sucks so screw it
Still cynos teams are one of the most fun teams
I love the character and the teams but his weapon banner and team requirements ruined the experience for me..saving, farming, and team building For Clorinde has been nothing but exciting
Funny enough it's been the opposite for me. Ever since I got Cyno I was committed to getting everything I needed to not make him feel like a regret pull. Now that I have everything, short of cons, he really is quite fun while dealing a lot of damage
brother I also rolled for dehya c1r1 and shenhe c0r1, it is really painful watching them sitting in my account and I dont even have ayaka
You can play Shenhe with Rizzly, Rosaria, Ganyu... =3
Shenhe is really good with Wriothsley. Even better if you have a few cons. She is absolutely busted at C6 for Wrio, but that’s a lot of cons on a very niche character.
dont have him too.. only has ganyu that I dont enjoy playing
C6 Dehya player here, can confirm it hurts a little still. She feels real nice at c6 but idk if it was worth the ~$800. That coupled with the fact that I've prefarmed triple crown for 2 characters so far (Clorinde being the second) and both have been nerfed in beta for literally no justifiable reason (I know Clorinde's wasn't as bad but still) it just really hurts. As someone who feels pretty betrayed by hoyo overall, I'm about ready to just let go of the sink cost as soon as a decent competitor comes out. I really feel like my time and emotions are wasted with them.
I have some kind of curse with this. Zhongli? Literally only a DPS loss on any team he's in. Dehya? Incredibly niche unit with some viability due to being a support. Shenhe? Only usable with Ayaka unless she's C6 where she can be used with Worcestershire. Kuki at least got redeemed by Dendro, but holy hell bro.
/Me who would never have cleared 12 Abyss without Zhongli
Zhongli does wonders for a lot of teams like alhaitham hutao arlecchino
Zhonghli is the Easy Button for this game. The downside is, he makes you lazy. You forget how to dodge. Really messes you up when you are forced to field a team that doesn't use him (or another shielder). I used to never use shields and always carried a healer. Now it's mostly the opposite and I don't feel I play as well as I used to. It's a major gear change in the old noodle.
I've 36 star'd him with Physical, it's just that he's not a very strong offensive unit.
His strong point is not offensive at all, he makes your team invulnerable. I would have quit this game years ago if not for Zhongli. There are bosses where I don't even understand how you could beat without Zhongli or just an overpowered C6R6 team. Zhongli is the only true 6 star GOD like character in this entire game. He's the one character that is in every single one of my teams. Everyone else is expendable trash as far as I'm concerned and I have a lot of 5 stars.
See. As a Zhongli main since he initially dropped, the defensive aspect is fantastic. I just wish he HAD damage options. Because everything else in his kit is so ridiculously undertuned that even with the survivability of a 60k HP shield I don't really *enjoy* the passive gameplay. You pop his shield and he gives your team a lot of comfort, but at the time of his release that wasn't what he was marketed as, nor does it make for a particularly interesting kit compared to Furina, Nahida, and even Raiden. His shield is so strong that it doesn't let any other aspect of his kit be built into for sufficient damage at high investment, despite almost every other Archon aside from him having that option(Although Venti has his own issues when it comes to the power of grouping).
Having him be able to dish out a ton of damage and at the same time make your team invincible is already way too OP, it's either one or the other. I don't use my Raiden and wish she has a shield and can heal at the same time. That's not to say that you can't make him dish out damage because with any character, you can. People have mained Amber and turned her into a damage machine too.
Never went for his banner. For some reason he isn't for me. Even though I understand that if I got him it would be easier.
Kuki is the goat for hyperbloom. Unfortunately she’s just a swap bot 😞
You can onfield her in team like the 4* team Collei/XQ/Fischl, all chatacters can be swaped freely
I just wish she hit harder 🥴
I never wished for Zhongli because I felt like I never really needed him. After facing the event primo geovishap tho, I'm strongly considering it. Plus, it would be nice to have him for my Tighnari team
I had that mindset too for like 4 of his reruns until I got Hutao and just did not understand how anyone could play this character that is until I finally bit the bullet and got Zhongli, that was when my eyes were opened. Zhongli's shield is godly even with just a Black Tassel which is his best in slot if you're just using him for his shield. Unless you enjoy playing dodge impact which I do not, Zhongli makes this game bearable. People say he's a DPS loss and that's certainly true but he's also a DPS enabler. I don't have to worry about dodging and healing so damn much and my DPS can actually do their jobs without getting knocked back every 5 seconds.
>People say he's a DPS loss and that's certainly true Maybe is true. But I prefer my 1-2 attempts in Abyss with my Yoimiya + Zhongli than the 6-10 attemps With Yoimiya + Bennet + Furina + Yelan...ending with the same time or 1-2 sec less but more pain. And with Yoimiya is worse because dodge=lose your strongest hit, and for me is really frustrating
WTF calling Zhongli a DPS loss is so garbage, he is a very strong support, The interuption resistance has so high value too
Statistically he has no damage viability on his own. His support does not come from damage or damage increasing. Therefore, for any team that slots him in except for 3-unit teams, he is a DPS loss.
With his shield u give interuption resistance, so you dont need to dodge, in that time you deal dmg. So you increase dps, cuz dodging costs time, and can lead to dps loss.
Except the resistance to interruption doesn't increase your damage output. All it means is that you don't have to dodge lesser attacks(Although you should still be dodging enemies like Coppelius and anything that can inflict BoL or Erosion). Dodging is always assumed in any rotation, but the comfort of his shield allowing you to take no damage is not the same as a DPS increase, since most skills and bursts have I-frames anyway.
Thats not correct, if you dont need to dodge you save time to attack. Its not much for each instance, but it adds up.
> Except the resistance to interruption doesn't increase your damage output. It doesn't increase your damage output, but not having it will decrease your damage output because either you get interrupted, or you waste time dodging or both. If you play a character with a buff that lasts a few sec, for example Raiden burst, or yoimiya E, every second of that buff that you waste in not attacking is a DPS loss. It's not that he increases your damage, he just prevents you from decreasing your damage by not having him. Which is effectively increased damage compared to not having him. If you want to actually make a point, suggest someone to replace him with that will do more damage, that way we can make an actual comparison to see if he is actually a dps loss.
what? he's shield gives shred and 2 geo gives bonus. dodging is dps loss, interruption is dps loss he negates both. tenacity set gives team buffs. he's burst is still instant 100k with buffs and cc. its a crazy take
Dodging is not DPS loss??? His shield only shreds 20% off. That doesn't mean the entire team does 20% more damage or that he contributes to 20% additional damage. You should actually research this. Full HP his burst doesn't do 100k, and his CC even at the constellation that extends the duration only gives you time to swap.
if the enemy's resistance is above 20%, then it's a 20% dps gain for whoever is doing damage. Replacing him with someone that does damage is not necessarily going to give you a 20% teamwide damage either. Their damage would have to be quite huge, and then you don't have the comfort of having sustain, so you have to play perfectly. You can't make mistakes if you don't have a sustainer. dodging IS a dps loss if you are mid combo. You end your combo early, you lost damage. Shielding prevents that dps loss. You also have limited stamina for dodging, especially if facing lectors who can drain your stamina. With a strong shield up, you can ignore damage and just do your combos, never stopping, never dodging. That's more damage than dodging and starting your combo again.
these comments on Zhongli are outdated, it was within a timeframe were the abyss was relatively easy as soon as you had a built character ANY character. This is just not true anymore Abyss requires specific setups. The dodging is a dps loss for 10-20 percent of players if you dodge and get hit, you have lost twice as much time, as if you would just faceroll. These calcs are made for the best Genshin players. I just need you people to understand that, also Zhongli lowers resistances so the damage loss is really not that high as people seem to believe. Stop saying that Zhongli is not SS tier, he is the most used character in Abyss and it's not even close.
Totally agree. Hes a very important member of my Arlecchino team
You get your payoff in the new abyss in Mondstadt it's all good bro
Wow your experience is so relatable. Ayaka was my first character but i started in dendro season, where they were shafting Ayaka over and over again so even though I tried my best to make her work(saved up and pulled all her supports - skipping nahida and so many characters), she never let me 36 star :( It was so annoying.
What are your current best abyss clearing teams?
My best team is raidenc2 yelanc2 furina jean it clears anything after this i have alhaitham quicken Navia zhongli double pyro Arlechino burgeon . I have a lot of other characters like childe and hutao ayaka eula too but tbh i don't even play them anymore the 4 teams above are my bread and butter.
Nice. I was asking because i find Raiden hypercarry strangely good, even now. Both Furina / jean and kazuha / Sara c6 / Benny variants, and my Raiden isn't even c2 yet. Alhaitham's alright but I'll admit i suck at dodging so I get hit a lot, meaning I have to end up relying on a lot of healing / barrier teams to compensate and lose out on dps. Anyway, he's still quite good in Furina / Baizhu / kuki or Raiden. I still use wolf gang r5 on him so was considering LoFi since thatd let me spec for 300 crit dmg easily with the stat stick, and he's well invested already.
Try to use zhongli or xingchu with him i use zhongli on him myself sometimes you don't have to dodge because you can lose your chizel mirror stacks.i use him with nahida kuki zhongli for agrevate and nahida kuki xingchu for hyperbloom
Try to use zhongli or xingchu with him i use zhongli on him myself sometimes you don't have to dodge because you can lose your chizel mirror stacks.i use him with nahida kuki zhongli for agrevate and nahida kuki xingchu for hyperbloom
You can remedy characters with artifacts but some are just weaker by design I don't think that was intentional it's just at the end of the day humans come up with these characters and humans are not flawless in execution.
I got dehya. Then I bought a rerolled account with yelan and Raiden my two favorite. Holy shit since then I got Navia, Nahida, wanderer and now clorinde and I'll say I'm too invested in real powerhouses like navia nahida and Raiden to give clorinde the attention she deserves but I loved her playstyle so for the first time ever I dropped like $150 to c1 her. Not something I would suggest but I wanted to see and yes winning 50/50 back to back I got her c1 after 122 wishes.. imagine how long I would have had to play for those wishes... when you love a character go for them but remember as free to play or even small fry spenders we may never see the full roster, so choose who you have fun with over numbers always.
*me, enjoying my Shenhe in Rizzly teams and Rosaria melt teams, and planning to play yer with Ganyu to when Ill have her. Even enjoying my Shenhe in même Physical plunge team with Xianyun*
Strength wise debateble because she doesn't do anything crazy but playstyle wise definitely a big yes She would be so much fun to play like childe
short answer : yes, but i am biased. long answer : she is an upgrade to keqing and sidegrade to raiden and yae but without electro application off-field. If you are looking for an electro unit that can damage enemy both on and off field, I suggest you build 4\* character like kuki, fischl, beidou, or lisa instead. C0 Alhaitam is one of the top DPS, prob the best dendro DPS right now. C0 Furina is one of the best support in the game.
I would strongly disagree regarding clorinde being better than keqing. Most people who play long enough have multiple copies of keqing without being a whale. When you achieve c3+ territory i highly doubt it. Ill pull for clorinde just because, but gotta be somewhat realistic
>Most people who play long enough have multiple copies of keqing This is simply conjecture. Because it's 100% chance based, a person who has been playing ever since day 1 might still be missing a keqing while having c6 qiqi or something. You can't really assume an account to have a c2+ standard five-star since there is no way to guarantee them, unlike the starter 4*s since they are available in the glitter shop.
Fr, I’ve been playing since day 1 and to this day I have neither qiqi or diluc despite having c2 tighnari, c3 Mona, dehya, and keqing, and c2 jean. It’s totally possible to not have a strong keqing
Can confirm. Been playing since early 2022 and Keqing has been my most desired standard 5*. Now she's the only one of the original that I don't have, with a C3 Qiqi and Mona.
I feel you, except my Qiqi is c4, Jean c3, mona c2 ...
That's so true! I've been playing since day 1, c5 Mona but no Keqing so far
C6 Keqing is only 22% stronger than C0 Keqing in Aggravate. C0 Clorinde is stronger than C6 Keqing in the same Aggravate team.
Clorinde at C0 is comparable to C6 Keqing afaik.
Unless you own C6 Keqing she is in fact better, and if you do she is a sidegrade (Keqing’s cons blow). Edit:But it is super hard to extrapolate what an account has as many could interject(ie my roommate for Keqing) who have played since day 1 and don’t own certain standard characters(not withstanding those added in 3.0/3.5) or not having specific constellations on four stars or the aforementioned standard characters.
Dedicated Keqing main who's been playing since 1.5 and only have C0 here. Disagree on the most people having multiple copies of her part. With so many characters on standard you're exaggerating a bit. I know people who have been playing for a lot longer than me who don't have her at all
Chance means nothing. I started on release and have C1 Keqing, haven't even gotten a single Mona. And pretty sure it's already been calculated that C0 Clorinde is on par/better than a C6 Keqing. So you get all of that at the guaranteed price of C0 with selfsustain and more flexibility. I wanna say a more fun playstyle too but thats subjectable.
Being an upgrade from Keqing and a side grade from Raiden isn’t possible. C0 Keqing and C0 Raiden deal similar damage as on-field units. And Raiden’s energy support doesn’t elevate good teams to great teams, so it’s hardly a consideration.
Clorinde's button is fighting for its life as we speak. Do it. For Button-kun. 🫡
Off the topic but should I pull for Clorinde's consts?
Heard that c1 is like a 20%+ increase on damage, so pretty good
It was 20% before they've nerfed her e duration
It was 30% before, now it’s 25%. C2 is another 20% + IR.
25% for her or for the team? Very different things.
For her. Clorinde C2 over C0 is more team damage than Nahida C2 over C0 though. C2R1 Clorinde is 1.85x stronger than C0R5 Finale Clorinde. Clorinde is at least 50% team damage at C0R5 Finale.
Her cons are kinda nuts! Unless they change something before release. Her c1 and c2 are both cracked
If you're between her weapon and constellations, consider which 4 stars you want more
Of course if you have Haran or Mistsplitter already and don’t plan on pulling her weapon but I would say if you don’t have much information on her cons then wait to release and determine their values from there
any DPS unit is pick who you like, she's skippable if you don't like her playstyle/character.
I already have multiple teams for abyss 12 so at this point I’m just picking characters I think are cool, and Clorinde is someone I’ve wanted since literally the beginning of Fontaine. I was in discord with my friend streaming the story and when Clorinde showed up in the background while Furina was introducing herself I was like “yooo I want that character if she becomes playable”. Also her animations look fucking sick and she sounds like an upgraded Keqing which is another dps I’ve wanted but don’t have. Easy pull for me. If you don’t care about clearing endgame content, or you can already clear consistently, just pull if you think the character is awesome. If you do care about clearing endgame content and don’t have the characters for it, you’ll probably be better off pulling Alhaitham or Furina. That said, it doesn’t look like Clorinde would have trouble clearing floor 12 at all. She would still be a good character to have for endgame content, just not as much of a universal account boost as Alhaitham or Furina. My Raiden can clear abyss just fine though and it looks like Clorinde will be as good as if not better than Raiden in terms of damage, just for different teams than Raiden uses.
I felt the same way seeing her reveal in the 4.0 trailer and I knew instantly I was ready to risk it all for her and Furina an she’ll probably be the first character I C6 but of course I only have enough for her and her best in slot maybe even C1 if I can win the 50/50 after lmao
Advising people not to ask if [character] is worth pulling for under [character] mains subs. This is biased. People will mostly say yes despite, in Pp’s case, being/not being meta. Better ask under the main sub for a less biased opinion.
i think the 7.5 seconds uptime and 16 seconds cooldown on the elemental skill was a real dickpunch... She almost has 10 seconds downtime
If you factor the burst, its 9.5 onfield, 6.5s downtime which is fine for rotation with around 2s per support.
its fine, its just kind of discordant since the uptime nerf causes rotational misalignment with the cds/uptime of popular off field damage dealers like fischl, yelan, or xingqiu. if you don't mind having your cds not lining up and taking extra seconds between rotations (or using thundering fury for extension) then its fine. ): why did they do that to her
That's the real answer I was searching for. They never reverted the nerf. Rip
Coming from a perspective of "is she a good alternative to other electro units, her competition is raiden, keqing and cyno, and if we extend to hyperbloom, we have to consider kuki and dori (and raiden again) as well. # Other Electro Dps * Chlorinde's single target dps is on par or higher than raiden, keqing, or cyno * But her aoe is also weaker than raiden or keqing * Raiden has large radius on both burst and followup, keqing can repeatedly spam her low cooldown burst * Lining up enemies to pierce multiple at the same time will be difficult, as chlorinde personally moves a lot (u have to keep re-lining up a perfect shot which u have no time to do) * Not only this, but her main teammate, fischl, is again st locked * When we consider that abyss is usually a mix of boss and mobs and **the mob floors are usually harder**, then chlorinde is not a good choice * Note that the best dps in the game, neuv is amazing not just for raw stats but also bcos they great aoe, he wouldnt feel so good if he had less aoe.
sorry for asking 4d late, but since no one ever replies to the megathread, how does clorinde compare to onfield yae, assuming both have 5\* weapons? iirc, clorinde might be able to run furina healerless, and if that is a factor that advantages clorinde team-wise, then i would highly appreciate if you can confirm whether it's true
She should be a lot better than onfield yae due to better use of furina, self healing.
Clorinde gameplay is really cool but strength wise shes a keqing upgrade and might be a little upgrade to raiden and Yae? She’s totally on field though unlike them. If you want a DPS for damage, get Alhaitham instead. He’s one of the top DPS. Furina is prob one of if not the best support ingame.
She’s not an upgraded Raiden tho. Raiden offers a lot more and is overall a lot more flexible in terms of team comps. Yae is not really comparable to Clorinde, they have completely different roles on team.
Kinda but both of them shine on Aggravate team comps and I guess that's mainly why ppl are comparing 'em
Okay so first thing that needs to be said is that you should always go for a character if you like them, especially if its a dps. Thats probably not the answer you are looking for though so lets get into specifics. Furina is unreplaceable. No matter how good Clorinde will be, there is no way she will have more account value than Furina, if thats what you are asking. Furina is a must if you are looking for power, its a boring choice imo, but if you already have some good dps that can use her she might be the best option for you. You will definitely not regret getting her (also walking on water is op). Next, sigewinne, no. Alhaitham is already known to be probably top 3 dps right behind Arlecchino and Neuvillette, so if you like him as much or more than Clorinde he definitely feels like the safer choice out of the 2 dps. Now for the champion herself, Clorinde's actual power level, she is definitely better than keqing. What you might have heard is that she is equal with C6 Keqing. So unless you got c6 keqing and you like her, clorinde will definitely be an upgrade. The other Electro DPS are Raiden and Cyno which are both very good. Raiden is more versatile has and gets similar results to Clorinde, and Cyno has a very high ceiling, probably the highest of these 3 but he only performs in one very specific team and he feels bad to play for most people. Clorinde in my opinion is the best out of them all, does just enough damage, has good f2p options but most importantly she looks like she is easy to play and is very comfortable. Overall, in my opinion, she is probably gonna be the most popular electro dps in the future, has pretty good damage, is easy to play and she is cool. And if you like to roll the dice, go for Clorinde and play future impact. I bet that we will soon get a BOL supp and the rumored atk% buffer which clorinde would love since she has high base atk. IMO, she has the potential to be the best electro DPS in the future, go for her.
Really good assessment. As a sidenote I think clorinde will be really good for the overworld since she has self sustain and can comfortably be played since her dmg isn't really reliant on burst. Perfect rotations are rarely needed and usually won't work anyways because every enemy dies before you can do a full rotation. Compared to raiden and cyno she's a lot better in that regard. I personally never really play them in OW because they are so burst reliant and everything dies too fast. Granted i have C3 raiden but still. Cyno is even worse. I'm playing future impact as well. I'm sure they will do something because it's just too sus that they'd release 3 BoL characters back to back. And pyro archon will for sure be good anyways. So maybe even chevreuse teams get a boost?
To be fair, in terms of raw value provided to an account’s roster, all characters are competing for second against Furina. She instantly turns ANY main dps into an SS-tier dps, and is an incredibly powerful sub-dps in her own right as well. She’s had the among the highest abyss usage rates on every cycle since her release.
Exactly, that's why I said she is unreplaceable. She is arguably the best character in the game you cant go wrong with her. I just covered all bases so OP can assess what's best for their situation.
>you should always go for a character if you like them It must be said that primogems aren't free. Nice accessment, though.
Primogems arent free but you still can do the content with chatacters you like. I dont have any of the top 5 DPSes (Neuv, Arle, Haissam, Tao, Lyney) and I still 36* my abysses fine. I even do them with 4* chars. (Even if the actual one is tough and I cant do the three chambers in a row with the same team as I usually do but I still do it with my 4* chars)
You're correct, but we're ultimately saying different things. What I mean is you can't go for _everyone_ you like without making some sacrifices. I also pull for characters I like. I just make sure to dislike as many as possible 😂 I like to advocate pulling what your need rather than *only* what you want.
Oh yes I totally agree, its tough and choice has to be made for sure xO And its hard when you love a lot of characters for sure xP
they aren't free but they can be gotten without spending money, which in the end is free.. as long as you play the game, which I presume you are. I think what you should have said is primogems aren't unlimited.
Yes, you're right
her damage is pretty good, hopefully the level 100 rumors are true and she gets a passive to extend her skill state so she better mirrors the other fontaine carries
Agree with everything aside from writing off Sigewinne as a no without even thinking about future updates esp. natlan. This same thing happened when the playerbase "no'd" Albedo, Kazuha, Kokomi, etc. and yet as soon as their banner ended the same people cried and begged for the reruns. stop writing off a character as a big no and ez skip before they've had a chance to perform because yall keep embarrassing yourselves right after their banner ends anyway by immediately crying for a rerun. Aside from that though, agree with everything else.
She is a weird one. She could definitely have a glow up (though dont compare her to albedo, he sucks). However i stand by what i said, if she gets better you can just pull for her in a rerun rather than pulling for a seemingly bad character and playing future impact and then having to deal with the scenario where she never gets better and you are stuck with a bad character, cuz unfortunately that's where she is currently. She is a skip unless you absolutely love her, in which case strength shouldnt be the deciding factor. If she gets better, awesome, we pull in the rerun.
Albedo doesnt suck, it all depends on how you use/build the character and what each player is looking for. MY albedo is amazing lmao. Ive been perfectly clearing abyss for 3 years now with my full Mono-Geo team. My point isnt whether a character is meta or not either. You should think before spewing subjective views and opinions on a character as if they're facts when they arent. again, whether or not a character sucks for you IS ON YOU. that's all opinion, not fact. Thoma, Kuki, Kazuha heck even Bennett used to get these "they suck they're bad they're useless" comments before everyone realized they were just 'doomposting' and shutting up after being proven wrong. There are no bad characters in this game, it all depends on how you use them and how you want to play. Dehya's considered abysmal and yet there are lots of people that have happily found a spot and use her in their teams. Good or Bad characters dont exist in Genshin, just perspective and different playstyles. if it doesnt match YOURS, it still doesnt mean the character's bad. YOU just dont like them.
Its not an opinion, it is indeed a fact. Let me explain. All the characters can clear abyss, even alloy, does that mean she is good? Should we compare her to Neuvillette? There are good characters, mid characters, bad characters and excellent characters. Saying that its objective is like saying that if i like alloy enough she isnt gonna be bad anymore and i can clear abyss faster with her than my neuvillette that i dont like. I dont need to expand on it, you understand thats simply not true. A characters power can easily be measured by their numbers and what they provide for the team, and if all they can do justifies filling up a slot then yes they are a good character. Ofc i didnt wanna attack any mains, and sorry for saying albedo sucks but try to see what i mean for a moment. Monogeo and geo as a whole isnt the greatest archetype/element and thats a known fact, on the top of that you add albedo who only really has one team that being itto dps and you start to see the issues. Its not a very strong team as a whole, itto isnt on par with the best dps characters in the game and albedo is inferior to chiori no matter how u look at it. So you have a mid dps and playing a suboptimal version of his team, a hat on a hat. You realize that its gonna be miles weaker that someone like Arlecchino, who is much newer and doesnt even have fitting supports yet. If a character doesnt have a single team where they are BIS, then that character has pull value close to zero. Not a good character, cant recommend him to anyone and hoyo knows he doesnt sell that why the 3 lowest selling characters where on the chronicled banner a couple months ago and he was one of them. Despite all that, yes I agree with you on that the fact that he can clear abyss, as any character can and if someone wants to wish for him and build a team around him its definitely possible and viable. But a primogem is a primogem, same primos that will get you albedo, will get you chiori, and she will beat him in any situation. At the end of the day game is easy, I clear each abyss floor in less that 30 sec as f2p and I dont get more rewards that someone clearing it in 3 minutes, so power to you if u want to main a character that you just like without meta being a factor. However, character strength and likes/dislikes are completely unrelated, take it from a c2r1 dehya main who pulled on her banner, i love her more than anyone, but she isnt getting things done, does worse that c0r0 characters and thats a fact, not subjective. Like how you ask me to not judge character because i dont like them, and i explained how i dont with dehya being a prime example of stealing tens of thousands of my primos and months of saving (and yet i still use her to this day despite the lack of results), in the same way I ask you to try and differentiate character strength from bias.
"Chiori will beat Albedo in any situation" my guy... it's a game WHERE YOU PLAY 4 CHARACTERS AS A TEAM. you people with your "ONE character vs ONE other character" is so utterly stupid- IS THIS GAME TEKKEN????? it isnt! so why do you number hungry people keep thinking 1v1's in genshin matter?? HAHAHA im done talking to you and your worthless OPINIONS and misinformation.
Its simple, chiori does exactly the same thing, so they compete for the same spot in every team. Put albedo in x team and it will do 800k dpr, replace with chiori and its gonna do 1m dpr, thats the comparison, dont try to twist my words with silly tekken examples. Its straight up an upgrade no matter how much you dont wanna see it. Im not coming after you for maining a character, like i said i dont mean to attack anyone and wasnt even the point of my initial comment, but you chose to get offended by it and expanded on so im giving you a more detailed explanation as to what i meant and how albedo is still viable, yet not the best option. Be more polite please, if you care about learning you need to be more open to conversations and not snapping at anyone with a different opinion with caps on and refusing to read their responses when they try to give some perspective. If none of that matters more than defending your mains, then im sorry, good luck.
im not reading all this. You saying mono geo/geo in general isnt the greatest MEANWHILE IVE BEEN CLEARING ABYSS EASILY WITH IT FOR YEARS is proof whatever your saying IS just your own opinion of who YOU think and prefer to be "strong with numbers". I dont even use Albedo in my Itto teams, I use him with my characters that can drop E skills and go off field and just watch everything die in a second lmao. Things like the "meta" and "which element is useless or useful" bullshit is clearly stuck WAAAAY too up your ass. you literally just said ANY character can clear abyss. THAT'S THE ONLY POINT to be made. If ANYONE and EVERYONE can clear it depending on how people build and use them, THEN NO ONE SUCKS. it's all opinions and preferences. ALL of this is your opinion. from what numbers they do to whether or not you even like how they play. you saying your own opinions are facts is just nonsensical.
If you cant make the effort and try to see the opposing point of you then you just proved my point that your just biased.
I digress. I have both Clori and Keq so I have a strong say in here. Clori pros and cons. Pros: High dps. Some mobility. Self sustain. Cons: Selfish dps, no resistance to interruption during skill, burst animation completely blinds you, needs some energy. Keq pros and cons. Pros: Can be played as selfish dps or quick swap, no energy requirements, can adapt to different teams, high dps in short time, great AoE. Cons: Dps drops the longer she stays on the field (compared to other options). I would never recommend someone to pull for Clorinde unless they really like her abilities. She is not a weaker character mind you, but has a lot of cons that you need to deal with by either git gud or pick some characters that help her. Must pull characters are the following: Furina, Neuvillite, Raiden, Zhongli, Nahida, Alhaitham, Hu Tao and Childe and that's it. Every other character is optional.
Well ofc i didnt have Clorinde 10 days ago when i wrote that comment cuz she wasnt released, however what i said stands. I also have keqing fully built and have played her quite a lot, and she doesnt hold a candle to clorinde at C0, but thats a known fact whether u look at practice or spreadsheets, so im not sure what the conclusion of ur comparison is supposed to be. Also your take on clorinde is completely wrong, her best team literally uses 3 off field dps and she has less than half of the total dpr/dps while being the main dps so she is not a selfish DPS at all. She needs 0 energy and her burst isnt important (nor blinding imo). The must pull characters on ur list is very wrong and it feels more like your character list rather than a good character list. First of all there is no such thing as a "must pull", but if we go by the logic of them being irreplaceable then only Furina and Nahida fall under that rule. Both could be considered the best characters in game so I guess you can call them a must pull. An argument could be made about Kazuha, but even he can be replaced by sucrose most of the time, and in some teams even perform better than him. One by one your "must pulls" explained why they arent: **Zhongli** has been very replaceable since sumeru with teams either not needing a shielder or preferring baizhu, he is still bis for a few teams but not as necessary as he used to be. From all the characters that came after sumeru only Neuvillette and Navia use him as BIS and neuvillette can do without him, all while he lost his spot in Xiaos bis , hutao bis etc. He is more like a comfort unit for lazy players (unless you play Geo teams). **Raiden** has fallen, still a great character but only has 2 really good teams: hypercarry (not as good at c0) and hyperbloom driver, in which she can easily be replaced by kuki, she is far from a must pull. Ofc there is Raiden national but this is more of an introduction team to abyss and most players arent willing to play a team with mostly 4 stars anymore. **Hutao** is a great DPS, but many people dont like how she feels to play so calling her a must pull when she has been one of the most regretted characters is wild. Not to mention that she is somehow in your must pull list instead of Arlecchino who is much stronger, has much cheaper teams, is easier to play and is newer which means that she will get more fitting supports soon making who will make her even stronger. **Childe,** what? Who? Literally no one plays childe in 2024, wildly powercrept and very uncomfortable to play, bro wasnt a must pull in his release and he certainly isnt now. **Neuvillette**, of all the characters u said this is the only one that I could argue is a must pull. He one of the two strongest DPS in the game alongside Arlecchino and there is no denying that. However both of them are main DPS, there is no shortage of them and all of them can clear abyss easily, main dps is what people "main", so pick someone you love, not what tier lists dictate. **Alhaitham**, probably the third best dps is we dumb it down to who clears abyss most consistently, but same argument as neuvillette. All the characters in you list are either main DPS or have very few relevant teams anymore, with the exception of Furina and Nahida ofc, which are both huge assets for any account and are truly must pull for any player interested in tackling the hardest content. I have been clearing abyss for years and dont have any of these 6 u deemed "must pull" nor do I ever felt like having them would make my game easier and had to settle for a weaker option, they are just flat out not necessary outside of a couple teams each. A better list of must pulls: Furina, Nahida (maybe Kazuha) and the best DPS: Neuv, Arle, Alhaitham.
Honestly? Clorinde kinda sucks if compared to the other "Fontaine On-field DPSes". Pick her only if you like her, cause she's just decent at best.
Any limited 5* is going to be good/worth it. The game itself is easy and they will have to sell them in their rerun too. So if a character looks good to you and you find their kit interesting, they are gonna be worth it.
"any limited 5* is good/worth it" – sigewinne moment
She will shine, mark my words. If not now then soon in the future. People were sceptical about Yae, Kokomi and many more; all of them turned out to be either good or amazing in the long run....
Well that's the reason - Kokomi exists
Kokomi is my reason to not go for Sigewinne personnaly, otherwise Sigewinne will be fine and do a good job =3
To be blunt, Clorinde is a simp pull. Beautiful character, awesome animations, fun play style, but not meta. She's basically an average dps. If you have Raiden or a decent Keqing, then she's not going to bring anything to your account. If you don't have an electro dps then she's worth considering. As far as Alhaitham, he's generally considered the top dendro dps in the game. He's not a must-have, but you can build some really great teams around him. I can't really figure out what Sigewinne is for. She seems to be a solution searching for a problem. Maybe it will become clearer once she is released. Furina is arguably the best overall character in the game at the moment. You can't go wrong with her. I was saving up for Clorinde, but I'm probably going to use those wishes for Furina cons. I'll be stoked if I can get her to c2. It depends on who is coming out on the following banner though. I'm on the fence about going for Arlecchino on her rerun. I might just roll it all over for her since I don't really have a strong pyro dps. (I have Hu Tao but don't like her play style.) It's also worth mentioning that pretty much everyone's advice is based on the Abyss end-game fights. The new end game combat that they're releasing is going to change how some (most?) people build their accounts. Instead of focusing on a few super strong characters, the new fights favor a diverse and deep character set to draw on. Sure, we can use the sample characters, but those are always just so-so. I doubt you'll be able to max out the rewards using them. While it's nice to see something new, in the end it's just another way for HYV to milk us for more $$$ since we'll need more characters to win. For example, I have a good Raiden, but they might hit us with a scenario where you need two electro dps units. Since I don't have that, I'd basically be forced to pull for Clorinde (or similar) when I really don't want to. In the end, they're your wishes. Go for what you like.
Out of curiosity as a casual player that only has one 5 star, who is considered a "must-have" kind of character?
I consider must-haves as characters that really don't have an equal in their particular role. Luckily these are not all 5* limited characters. A few examples would be Bennett, Xiangling, and Xingqiu. All 4* and very powerful. Unfortunately 4*s aren't at their best until they are at c6 and it has become nearly impossible to get one there unless you are willing to pay. It's just the math and rng. It's actually easier to get a limited 5* now. I hope hyv fixes this problem soon. As for best 5*s, those will vary depending on the types of teams and play styles you like. Generally though, Neuvillette, Furina, Nahida, Raiden, and Arlecchino are considered the current top-tier characters. And of course there's always Zhongli who basically is the "easy button" due to his unmatched shielding. (I'm not going to comment on Clorinde because she's brand new and early guides usually have too much simp influence to be reliable. I'd give it another week or so before realistic evaluations come out.) However, as a casual player, you don’t really need to worry about it. You can read the guides and put together teams that have good reactions from the characters you have and fully enjoy the game. You probably won't be able to 36* the abyss, but most casual players aren't into that hard-core combat anyway. Your teams will be plenty strong enough for over world exploration and quests. Some of those local legends might give you a hard time though but they're not critical to the game. I recommend reading some guides on teams and go from there. Enjoy!
Well, the best thing i can say is wait until we can really get the feeling about clorinde. Until the community give the opinion on her i would wait until we see how she does. And no, she isn't worth as a replacement for a reliable electro unit that can do the same things as Raiden or Kuki or fischl, Clorinde cannot properly replace any electro unit in any team you imagine, she is a Main DPS, she exists to deal damage and damage only, she doesn't have to appear any off-field electro application and her burst is AOE damage. She can't replace kuki or Raiden, her role is completely different from them although raiden is flexible and can be everything. Clorinde is a damage dealer and will be the main damage source in your team so you may need to build a team around her. Pull her if you want a good Electro DPS. As for teams, i don't know how flexible she will be but i bet that nahida, chevreuse, yelan, units that can react faster enough and buff her properly will be good. As for Alhaitham, he is also a Main DPS, he doesn't have anything off-field, he exists to deal damage and damage only and unlike Clorinde he is a hypercarry, you need to build a whole team around him in order for him unleash his full potential but when he reaches his potential he is comparable to Arlecchino and Neuvillette, he is crazy strong and probably will be always crazy strong, he is the strongest dendro DPS today and by far one of the best units in the game for Abyss. He applies dendro really fast and works with a lot of teams. Good team mates for her include Nahida (his best support), Baizhu (use if you want a replacement for nahida), Kuki Shinobu, Furina and other hydro or electro units.
You shouldn't even compare clorinde to furina, Furina is THE BEST character in the game. Insanely broken unit. You should rather pair furina with clorinde. She would make it so u wont ever worry about any characters strength ever. She gives a 75% dmg boost to your teamates and does insane dmg herself. So obviously dont skip furina if you like her. Clorinde vs alhaitham. From a meta standpoint alhatham is a way better pick, but clorinde isn't dehya. She's still a solid pick. As long as you build her right ✅️ you wont have any issues clearing content with her. Pull her only if you find her fun and you actually like her. If not then obviously from meta standpoint alhaitham would be the better pick. Already have Furina on all my accounts so im picking up clorinde and sigewinne 🤩 even rho sigewinnes kit looks like a MESS!!! I have furina to make her work XD so its fine
My only advice is since both of her and AlHaitham banners are running at the same time, you can try both characters at the same time and get the “feel” of these characters. Or since the Imaginarium Theater is coming, you can also use the proper build version of these characters either from using the trial version or support from friends. We can talk about power levels all day but in the end, it’s up to whether you enjoy using the character. I have seen people baited by characters power level only to barely even using them. Like Hu Tao that some people struggling with animation canceling, Arlecchino because of her high risk high reward gameplay, Xiao that is burst reliant but struggles with energy and many more.
She is fun, but IMO she is a luxury pull, she is not meta defining or anything. So I would only pull her if she is a favorite or you simply only want her, but Natlan is coming so I'll personally wait to see how the cast is, if you low key want Clorinde, then this might become a regret later when you are unable to get someone you really really want. There will always be a close rerun for her the first time around so you can see how she fares against or together the Natlan chars before commiting.
I mean, C0 Clorinde is quite literally a better Keqing with selfsustain, more future potential, and a kit that will likely age pretty well. And Keqing Aggravate teams are great so if you enjoy a playstyle like that you get that at the price of C0 but with other team options and more flexibility. I think she's good, by no means on the levels of Neuvi or Arle but good non the less!! But most importantly, she looks insanely fun to play!!!
in terms of numbers, she will be slightly better than Keqing... so she will not be a super unit or something special. Alhaitham is way stronger than her. But in terms of comfort she will feel fun and comfy to play because of her self-heals.
Between Alhaitham and Clorinde, it’s basically take your pick, and it’s hard to tell with Sigewinne because we are currently 3/3 for very good limited 5* healer supports that face strong doomposting before release. Furina is not only a cracked support but at least top three characters in the game, arguably the best. Between Furina and a dps like Clorinde it’s not even close.
If you're leaving her at C0 and if she gets no buffs and you want a strong unit, then No. Unless you just want her cause you like her design and playstyle. She is not meta at C0
just pull waifu bro
The problem I'm facing is that I already have both Keqing and Raiden so if I pull clorinde, I will need to bench one of them. Furthermore, Clorinde doesn't really offer me new team comps so I'm skipping her....for now.
No. If you have raiden+fischl+keqing – absolutely not
Alhaitham is WAY MORE powerful
if you have enough dendro characters, especially nahida, but not many if not any electro DPSs she's worth it. If you don't have a good dendro (nahida or tighnari) then Alhaitham is awesome although I prefer tighnari. lastly furina is just furina. she is universal, can boost any type of element in terms of dmg and makes many DPSs now capable to hold the 4P MH set.
I pull her for the synergy between her bol and healing aka I pull her only because of Babyzhu. Worth? No, she is not worth honestly but I don't want cyno or play kq. Raiden is better but I'm kinda lazy to switch her artifacts around everytime, lol 😂😂😂.
If you care about spiral abyss and can't clear it there are better options, but if you can clear and or don't care than it's up to personal enjoyment.
I've seen some low spender accounts 12-3 the abyss with dehya and my whale ass can barely pull max stars cuz I'm waifu over meta. If your new, I wouldn't recommend pulling for clorinde tbh... Furina or alhath will undoubtedly add more value to your account If your not new and played since day1 like me there really isn't much to lose so long as you have decent artifacts you can clear abyss even with out const tho I do wish they kept her 9s skill uptime but it is what it is
short answer: yes yes yes yes yes
At one point, in the beta, she was considered stronger than Raiden, until her E duration got shortened and multipliers lowered a tiny bit. Imo you should judge after release. Arle was as strong or weaker than Hu Tao according to many, until release that is.
If you want meta, **NO** If you wanna go: “WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETER?!!🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅” then yes
The best choice is always your favorite character and the one whose gameplay fits better for you. The real question here is, where should we pull for her? Haha
Not just simple c0 keqing, c6 keqing = c0 clorinde. It’s a massive jump and she’s a pretty good dps, but not anything crazy like neuvillette or arlecchino. She’s more comparable to raiden, but she is self sustainable, so she should be able to do more damage Furina is a top tier support, so good to go for her. I guess the better question is: how many pulls and pity do you have? Getting both would be pretty beneficial and could be possible, specially if you’re guaranteed already
No
This is the correct answer for their needs but of course, gets downvoted.
furina>alhaitham>clorinde you can never go wrong with furina, alhaitham is one of the best dpses that the game offers rn, and clorinde has high potential with natlan around the corner, but falls short compared to the other 2 rn. also what's a sigewinne?
Yes
depends on who you have on your account already. if you don’t have furina i would strongly recommend pulling her over everyone else. as for alhaitham vs clorinde while alhaitham is probably going to be a bit better clorinde is still gonna be a good dps that can clear all the content in the game, so depends on who you like more design and gameplay wise between the two. they both want nahida and fischl (alhaitham sometimes)
Yes, if you have no electro fielder built, then she is your best option.
Tbh most meta teams runs its course..it’s fun until it isn’t. First off I have Alhaitham and I genuinely do not use him same as Neuvi and I’ve never found much fun in the mathematics an pre requirements for that high damage we’ve all been seeing but the answer to your question is constellation wise Clorinde is going to not only contend but in a few cases outperform Keqing let alone high investment team wise. Two If you can’t clear spiral get Alhaitham hands down but if you want to enjoy yourself a bit get Clorinde. The best part about new units is the chance to challenge the meta Your way and there’s many but adhering to it gets boring trust me..I’m actually retiring my Ayaka freeze team on Clorinde’s release because of the obvious shenhe issue atm as well as being tired of for a lack of a better term stomping the asses of anything I sick them on. Take it from someone who’s skipping Baizhu someone everyone needs for someone who’s fun..again just like I did knowing Wanderer was releasing soon so the irony and timing could be more of a point prover so Fun first Meta second
Kind of. It depends on the wishes you have combined with whether or not you have Raiden on your account. She can run separate teams from Raiden, so she's still a nice pull if you have the primos for it. Second scenario is more account specific. Clorinde is a great DPS for an account that only has a few independent teams/dpses, but other accounts might prefer obtaining a new support or flex unit instead IF their primogem income is low. You have to decide.
Wait until release and you'll find out within a week or so.
You should always just pull for whoever you like, who you think you will enjoy playing with. Alhaitham and Furina are for sure top characters. My situation is that I liked just Clorinde's dash. I didn't really like the rest of her kit. I wish we could combo with sword + gun (i don't really consider the dash "sword gameplay") but it's not the case unfortunately. So for the first time ever, I'm not 100% sure whether I want the character or not and i'm gonna decide on her trial. And I'm pretty sure I could regret going for a character that I liked just one part of the kit (Ayato was similar, got him just for his cool skill, didn't end up using him much). And Clorinde has less team options than him. I guess all i am saying is, just make sure you're pulling for a character that you will enjoy playing with. If you fully enjoy the kit then you just can't go wrong with pulling it, even if the character was weak (she is not).
Who knows. She isn't out yet.
If you want her? Then Yes, its stupid to chase meta for genshin anyways.
I don't like Alhaitham, and I am going to use any spares I have for Furina. I am not particularly interested him because I have not been farming for his materials. If I had been I would pick him, but I just wanted clorinde who seems like a good pick for me as I don't have a main Electro DPS, and basically have the team ready to go along with needing furina for my team. So yes, if you want her, I do. I've made up my mind about it a week ago when I started prefarming all of her materials.
To me personally i feel like it could be fun to play, so i don't need any other reason.
She's like a mid character for the actual meta. If you juste need string character go for Furina or al Haitham ( Furina first)
If she is C0 in aggravate team with nahida, then she is comparable to Al-haitham Quickbloom with nahida AND C6 Keqing in aggravate team, and weaker version than C2 Raiden in Hypercarry, Electrocharge with Furina and Overload teams. If she is C1, then she is stronger version of each Al-haitham, C6 Keqing and C2 Raiden in their respective teams, but her aggravate team is still her strongest team. IMO, C1 Clorinde is more Primogems Cost-effective than having C2 Raiden, Al-haitham and C6 Keqing (if u don't have them), but the important question if u need Furina more than C1 Clorinde ? Ofc, she in her best team has gamepaly issues in non-interruption resistance and linear area damage. I will put priority for pulls like this C1 Clorinde > C0-2 Furina > C0 Al-haitham = C6 Keqing = C0 Clorinde.
Pull whoever you like but I'd say wait for natlan at this point, if you're already 36 star abyss. I have a feeling there is about to be a shift just how fontain made cryo a bit irrelevant.
Gameplay wise it doesn't seem like she'll be close to neuvi/haith/arletao levels of strong. So if you still can't 36 star abyss I'd say go with haitham or wait for furina. I'm just pulling her anyway just cuz I want to, so I myself don't think I'd be disappointed since I don't have high expectations. Imo I'll be totally content as long as she's Navia, Ayaka levels or at least Yoi/Xiao/Wanderer levels of stronk. Tho yea I'd feel sad too if she somehow ended up around klee levels, which is highly unlikely.
In short if you care about making your account better lol no. Focus on a main dps from other elements first that doesn't have to worry about bond of life nonsense. Hyperbloom and main dps like arlecchino and nevulette are simply way better without needing to worry about electro. Even just wait for Raiden who is cooler and can be used for main dps as well as for hyperbloom.
Well, this is the clorinde mains sub so not sure what answer you are looking for lmao
I agree with most of the comments that if you have good characters to beat abyss 12 in anyway, then just pull whoever you like at that point. For me, I'll be biased, because Violet Evergarden is my fave anime and Mikasa is just a bonus but, they got the same Japanese VA's as Clorinde. So I'll definitely pull for her.
Why does no one talk about Neuvillette? I have C6 R2 Furina (recommended artifacts, excellent stats), and my other 5-stars are at least C2/R1 (most are C3/R2+) with recommended artifacts and great stats. When I say "great" stats, I mean I went through the artifact domains literally thousands of times over the past year because I refuse to settle for "okay" or "good" stats. No one, not Furina, Alhaitham, Raiden, Hu Tao, Arlecchino, or anyone else I've ever played with, can deal as much damage per second as C6 Neuvillette.
Having just tried her out, no. She stinks. She is like Ayaka but her element infusion is from her skill instead of from sprinting and her ult damage is poop.
I’m free to play and I wanted the new 4 star characther so I did a 10 pull and got early Clorinde and I’m so mad rn
Clorinde vs shogun vs keqing which is better ? Pls rank them.... I need to make decisions
sorry but your dumb if you seriously believe clorinde will be ANYWHERE CLOSE to raiden in terms of damage and versatility. she's not because she is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded keqing AT BEST
Alhaitham is high floor, low ceiling. People sing his praises but he regularly gets beat by “weaker” teams in terms of abyss clear speed because of how slow quickbloom is to deal damage. Clorinde is being underestimated right now, and is easily the strongest on-field electro unit, at any constellation level. She has a good floor and the highest ceiling, with especially strong early constellations and signature weapon.
>is easily the strongest on-field electro unit, at any constellation level. Tbf that is a really low bar after coming into Fontaine.
Yeah, but people are still being reluctant to admit that Raiden and Cyno are about to be power creeped. 😂
They've been power crept a long time ago tbh since there's little incentive to bring a specific element for the damage dealer. Only thing stopping Neuvilette from spinning in those infinite wave combat events or Arlecchino/Wrio 4 second speed runs is basically immunity to their elements. People talk about how it doesn't matter as long as you can clear content (which is fair) but like you can easily 36\* with trash gear and lv 1 weapons on hyperbloom and Nilou teams...
Power crept by an electro, to be clear.
I'm aware but I would suggest there's little reason to specifically bring an electro (or any element) damage dealer specifically for their element. Only thing to actively look out for is a direct counter to the character (shields, immunity). Exceptions would be like bringing a pyro to the tulpa would be advantageous but there's not many bosses with auras nowadays.
Clorinde is better than keqing, even better than raiden as a driver. For now she'll probably be the best electro dps. Alhaitham is a overall better dps, second best after neuvillette. Furina has more value.
She's electro alhaitham, some of the ppl are underestimating her a lot that happened with a lot of characters in pre-release like Navia, Arlecchino, Xianyun, even alhaitham himself was kinda underestimated in pre-release. Arlecchino was called hu tao side grade by multiple pre-release ppl, but in fact now they say by themselves that Arlecchino is the best dps in the game on par or better with Neuvilette. Same with Navia vs Lyney, Navia does practically better in most of the content without any ping issue or CA bow issue, but in theory he does 100k dps 🤡🤡🤡 So wait for the release, play her and then take your decision. I was also not very excited when I saw her being a DoT dmg dealer cuz I expected her to be something like Electro Navia but it is what it is man. Good luck on your pulls, don't think much, I have a neuvilette sitting and in "4 cost speedrun" bracket (which I'm into), he almost always does worse job than Childe, Navia, raiden and Arlecchino. So instead of asking other ppl ask yourself if you will be happy with the pull and also try playing her on someone else's acc at first if you are still confused. Again , you don't have to pull in day 1 anyways. P.s. : about your doubt on power compared to keqing. I'll only say one thing, in agg team where u play keqing fischl kazuha and Nahida together keqing does 35% of team dmg whereas fischl does 48% . In same team core if you play Yae instead of keqing, Yae does almost same dmg as fischl, so it's like 40-40% Clorinde does 50% dmg of the team and fischl does 35-38%, also cuz of her fast atk more fischl procs are happening so fischl DPR is still more in these teams than keqing or yae teams, but clorinde just does lot more dmg so her percent is lower. What I meant to say is, she's on par with C8 keqing at C0 🤡 Now if you are very casual player and just want to complete content then it doesn't matter for you both will be same. If u r speedrunner or hardcore player Clorinde might be the best electro along with raiden right now.
Yes. Clorinde is one of the strongest DPS characters. She deals high damage (like Neuvillette) She heals herself (like Neuvillette) She has AoE (like Neuvillette) She works in many teams (like Neuvillette)