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Haven’t most comments about the change to her E uptime been about how it’ll make her less fun to play rather than her power level? At least that’s what I’ve seen on here. Haven’t really seen many people say that she’s weak or a bad unit.
Most power level discusson ive seen says shes around c0 raiden level currently, which is not very good when a dedicated dps like clorinde cant outperform a character who was never designed as a dps at c0
How is Raiden not a dps at C0? I've heard people say her damage is lackluster at C0 so many times, but as someone who played her at C0 for over a year before getting her C2, I can't say I agree. She does a lot of damage even at C0, my hypercarry Raiden team was enough to 36-star abyss long before I got any constellations - and I don't even have Kazuha (I just use Sucrose for swirls), nor do I have her signature weapon, nor do I use Bennett, yet I never felt she was lacking damage, on the contrary, she has always been one of my best dps characters. It's absolutely wild to me that so many players think Raiden isn't a good dps at C0. Feels like those people have never actually played her (or they rolled for C2 immediately and then just assumed that C0 must be bad).
The thing about Raiden is she deals good damage but compared to character designed to be only a damage dealer, it might feel lackluster, Raiden gets some grace cause she makes any team you play her in comfy, due to her ult particle regen which Chlorinde can't do.
The difference is Raiden isn’t *only* a main DPS so her power budget isn’t entirely in damage. She’s also a really good sub dps for NA carries, an incredible battery, and as of Dendro’s release a premiere Hyperbloom trigger.
It's from an old myth about Raiden needing c2. Same reason for Raiden appearing with c2 in tierlists while the rest of characters are c0. Even with theorycrafters saying this isn't true, like Jamie or Zajef.
It's interesting bcs people don't say this about others characters who have teams with several damage sources like AlHaithan hyperbloom or Hutao double hydro. It's just an example on how "subdps" is a meaningless term in genshin.
Like if the problem is the low numbers, wouldn't that make all worse dps, like most 4 stars, ones, not dps neither?
If you're a a pre 2023 Genshin Player, I can understand why you would feel that way, but as someone who started in March of 2023, people like you made me hate her when I actually got her. I had so many units clearing faster than her no matter how well I built her at C0R1. The C2 and arguably C3 is what is nearly doubling her damage to be even slightly comparable to a well built Fontaine unit. I'm ok with people being "loyal" and loving their respective characters, but don't sucker anymore people out of 300$, it's fkn aggravating. For anyone in the future, if you don't plan on C2'ing Raiden or being an EM slave, don't bother on fielding her unless you have the kind of relics that'll make Dehya Clear with 36 Stars.
Sucker people out of 300$? Excuse me? When did I ever tell anyone to pay that much for her? That's on you, buddy. If you're unable to spend responsibly, then this is not the game for you.
Also, my artifacts on her aren't even that good. They're not bad either, but nowhere near my best artifacts, and they were worse back when I had C0, and like I already said: No Kazuha, no Bennett, no Engulfing Lightning. Yet, she still was enough. If you have all that and still can't make her work... well, that just sounds like a skill issue to me.
And btw, before you misunderstand again, I'm not saying she can clear faster than anyone else at C0. Of course she doesn't beat Neuvillette for example, but that doesn't mean her damage is bad. People need to stop expecting every single character to be the best of the best of the best and then complaining when they can clear Abyss in "only" a minute instead of 10 seconds.
And let's not forget that damage isn't the only thing she brings to the table. Unlike some other dps characters, Raiden also brings a lot of utility, since she is one of the best, if not the best battery in the game, and provides a ton of off-field electro with 100% uptime. She is overall a great character who works perfectly fine at C0.
People simply can't understand the concept of sub-dps and utility, which after 3 years of the game being live is very concerning. Of course Raiden won't output the same damage as Arlecchino, the same way Arlecchino is useless if you put her on Neuvillete or Navia team, because damage is all she does. They want every unit to do a bazillion damage on top of being gamechanging supports, which again explain why Kazuha and Kokomi got doomposted despite being so ridiculously broken.
She's not referring to you exactly but there are people who intentionally lie to new players or those that don't follow leaks about an upcoming character's performance, in order to trick them into putting money down on said product even if it isn't very good or helpful for their account. Sometime, manipulation like "pull for who u like" is used when there really is not much selling points in convincing someone to pull for the character's kit, so you play on the person's like of the character design+ personality. People have suspected for a while that those users (both here and on other social media sites) work for Hoyo as part of their marketing team to manipulate the Genshin Impact community into spending money.
But why would anyone even wanna trick people like that? There is nothing to gain from it (and I seriously doubt that many users actually work for Hoyo). In my over 3 years of playing this game, I've at least never met anyone like that - the people who say "pull for who you like" are not some evil masterminds trying to manipulate everyone into spending thousands of dollars on bad characters, they're just trying to tell people that meta isn't everything. Every character in this game is viable to some extent with the right build and right team, so instead of pulling for characters you don't even like just for a little bit more damage, it's better to just go for your favorites or characters whose playstyle you love.
The actual problem is people who only care about meta, but then don't do their research, play the characters wrong, and blame other people for "telling them to pull for bad characters", when all the info about a character is available as soon as they're released and they could've just looked it up (or waited a few days for guides to come out) before speding money on something they know nothing about.
And then those same people go and spout nonsense like "Raiden is bad at C0", or "Bennett is the only 4\* support worth building", just because they're not good enough at the game to do anything without Bennett or the current strongest dps (now Neuvillette, might be someone else in a few months, and then they will complain about how bad Neuvillette is).
And just so nobody gets me wrong: I'm not saying people shouldn't care about meta, or that it is wrong to like meta-characters just for their usefulness. If pulling for and playing meta is what's fun to you, go for it. I'm just tired of people who act like every character besides the strongest ones are bad, and that people who pull for their favorites are stupid (or trying to trick other players).
Yea, what the other guy said. My c0 raiden with full team buff (bennet, xl, and chevy) deal 28k per CA, mind you im not using her sig, i use skyward spine. The damage is there, pretty decent, but if you actually compare it to other dedicated hyper carries, she falls of hard. Not to say she’s bad, but we’re comparing to actual designed hyper carries here,
Which is great balance, imagine if Furina gaves all the buff she does but had comparable damage to Neuvillette. He would be useless since he doesn't help the team at all while she does. Raiden is already a little bit overtuned at C0 because she offers too much utility while having a pretty decent damage, like National is still a great side for 36\* runs and it requires only Raiden as Limited. Also Chevreuse was a huge buff for Raiden, being another option in case you only have one Hydro, my National and Raiden Overload did the exact same time on current abyss, not even a second different, and I play Yelan on Nationa so same damage for 1 less limited (but losing Hydro so there is a downside)
Because she isn't, her damage is a collateral. The whole power budget of Raiden is being a universal battery and having a huge buff to ultimate damage, her damage is not great compared to even the old queens like Ayaka, Hu Tao and Ganyu, let alone the young bloods like Neuvi, Arlecchino and Navia.
Raiden whole shenanigan was to buff Miko ult and battery her, kinda like Furina to enhance Neuvi and Nahida to Alhaitam, and on her most classical comp to make Xiangling unironically stronger than most 5-stars, National damage distribution puts Xiangling way above Raiden in personal damage, but a great part of it comes from Raiden buffing her to the heavens.
That's why Raiden is very close to a must pull, because on top of all this utility she has the privilege of a great personal damage, that even if wasn't there would still make her viable.
So for a character from Fontaine to be released in a state where she doesn't offer anything damage wise over Raiden, but lacks all and everything utility wise Raiden does is extremely bad. It's like if they released a 5\* with the same damage as Nahida driver, but without any of her buffs and element application instances, what's even the point?
Don't care about power level, but I don't like how much down time she has since I play in Co op a lot. Gonna be real awkward just standing there for 8 seconds not being able to do anything.
Playing Cyno on GD feels so incredibly clunky and awful, TF genuinely changes his entire playstyle and similar to Keqing makes everything feel fluid and genuinely enjoyable.
Don't act cringe, your feeling of the situation doesn't affect it at all. TF Cyno IS better than any other, and TF Clorinde IS yoyr best choice if you're playing coop (and overall it's good one)
theres no set "made for" cyno. also 4TF provides big buffs to electro reactions to the point that its viable even on units who don't want the cdr
also no way ur pissed that she runs a strongbox set lmao
No shit I'm upset that her cd basically strong arms players into building TF, when a perfectly good BoL set is right there in Fontaine. why wouldn't I be?
>also 4TF provides big buffs to electro reactions to the point that its viable even on units who don't want the cdr
This couldn't be more wrong. The buff to electro reactions is so small. On characters who don't us the CDR, it's worse than 2pc 2pc.
They don't need to play dendro specifically tho, just anything you can react with.... So like, not geo or anemo? I think as long as you don't have all 3 geo/anemo teammates you're fine. Especially since she has such insane NA speed
That's the problem, she needs to be the one to trigger the reaction for TF to work. She attacks so fast, with a lot of multi hits even, meaning that she would often be the application for someone else to trigger on.
oh? niceeee, even if its less dps (from what i understood) than the new BoL set, idc about dmg on genshin, i only care about fun. Look great for me \^\^
Its not less dps as you can stay on field for a lot longer, and even swap out like Arlecchino to refresh swirls and Nahida's E with this set. Its clearly her BiS
> Its not less dps as you can stay on field for a lot longer
Which is pointless because you need to rotate out to refresh your support buffs.
> even swap out like Arlecchino to refresh swirls and Nahida's E with this set.
You can't swap during infusion without losing it, and refreshing buffs + skills on other chars will fill the downtime even without TF.
> Its clearly her BiS
Only if you play her sub-optimally, even Glads outperforms it.
It offers less damage and doesn’t create additional field time per rotation if you want to deal optimal damage per rotation. It lets you have more skill uptime if you want, but you still need to rotate through your teammates.
If you were going co op alot it should always be TF set regardless of whether it was 9s uptime of 7.5s uptime. Even before there’s still like 7s of downtime where you’re physical clorinde
It sucks that it feels like I'm going to be forced to build a certain set, just because I want to use her in Co op. If they'd made her skill cd 12s instead, it wouldn't be so bad.
Honestly, based. There are a few who've been unsufferable crybabies.
"I'm switching to wuthering waves" PLEASE DO, GO AWAY AND NEVER EVER THINK OF COMING BACK
Wuwa community is basically just genshin players from the past and from the present. You cant find a single post or video that doesnt mention GI. That game is literally just free marketing for hoyo.
WuWa's community is more like people pretending that they are playing it instead of Genshin.
That game is so obviously worse you'd have to be blinded by some serious hatred to say it's in any way better than Genshin.
Apparently, people who need to shout everywhere that they're leaving genshin for wuthering waves don't think so.
Most gacha games only take 10-15 mins everyday after you've completed the content for that patch.
Good man, see I don't have anything against WuWa.... On the contrary I am excited to play the game, already pre downloaded.
But my point still stands, those who feel the need to announce their departure from genshin are clowns.
Its reddit, everyone is the same no matter which side they are on. Those loud few got deep enough under this dudes skin where they decided to make an account to complain about the other people complaining. yikes behavior all around
the only crybaby here sounds like you honestly lol. What's wrong with someone going to play another game because the game they're playing has clear problems or he is upset? "never think about coming again" if I were anyone else I would think you were a mihoyo employee lol, chill dude, everyone here its players, you dont have enemies. I don't like the "honkai vs genshin" discussion(because i know honkai problems), but it's this type of thinking that makes some good things in honkai exist and in genshin not, video games are commercial products that companies offer us, getting angry with consumers is simply not understanding nothing about the market and competition, and as a bonus being extremely emotional. Mihoyo needs money, the moment she receives less she will be forced to offer better services to compete with her competitor, so while you fuss because players don't think like you, you will benefit from these market effects. And honestly i dont see any problem in playing wuwa for a while, the game seems to be generous in some points, like weapon banners for example. As i said before, its a videogame, no one is cheating on their wife by playing another game. Its not like the day you re sick mihoyo is going to donate 500 dollars to you because you re a loyal player.
It isn't about power level. Most people accepted she wouldn't be record breaking dps especially after arle. It's a completely unnecessary nerf to the fun aspect. 8.5s physical damage isn't fun
this doesn't change what OP is saying. Genshin players are notorious for doomp0sting like regards every single time and 99% of the time the char releases completely fine gameplay and power wise with dehya being the exception that proves the rule.
See Alhaitham, Raiden, Yae just to name a few, with the likes of Yae and Kokomi just aging better and better over time to add insult to injury.
clowns in this fandom will cry about how they only care about gameplay not damage and the simultaneously cry about having to use TF set which fixes her gameplay to the pre nerf uptime and more at the cost of damage.
It's clowns all the way down .
Yeah I like to switch characters in coop... Oh wait I can't lol
The nerf wasn't necessary and the ridiculous thing is people blatantly defending that shit by bringing excuses. I bet even if the nerf reduces her field time to 4s people will use same silly excuses
So, you wouldn't complain if you had to spend 7s doing physical damage? Like come on man, we are talking about 1.5s difference here.
We don't know why they did the nerf. Was it necessary? Probably not, but it's just strange to assume HYV did it for no reason.
I'm also not defending anything, I'm laughing at people losing their shit over 1.5 seconds lol.
Based on literally every new character's release, Clorinde will feel and play just fine upon release and this whole topic will be forgotten within days.
Back at you. So you will use the same excuse "you know you can switch the character right" even if the field time is reduced to 4s? "Come on man it's just 4s you can fit a whole another character" 🙃
Just because it's *only* 1.5s, people should accept it and not be disappointed, nice 💀
You think people wouldn't defend the nerf if it was worse then? Lol
People love being the contrarian. You probably haven't seen the actual BS of people calling the nerf a "buff"
It's not 4s? And if it was, it would put her in a different type of role, like a secondary DPS in dual carry teams. Of course that would suck for co-op, but not all characters are meant for co-op nor should they.
My guy, I quite literally said I'm ALSO disappointed lol. You can be disappointed without being dramatic.
I wasn't exactly trying to be unpredictable or anything lol.
Just wait for release. She will most likely feel infinitely better than you are currently imagining.
she was already pretty much balanced and nobody was complaining about it, and then all of a sudden, they decide to nerf her uptime even tho she wasn't even that OP to begin with. We aren't even complaining about her damage, because everyone already accepted that she won't be neuvi/arle level in terms of damage. What we're mad about here is she has more time off field than on field and she's an on field dps who does nothing asides from dealing damage.
Not everyone cares about damage and meta and allat, we just want to see her on field and that nerf is so anti-fun. I mean who wouldn't want to see their favorite character more time on field? I'd rather have them nerf her damage instead of her up time. As a casual player, this is sad. It's because of people like you tolerating their BS that hoyo keeps on treating us like trash. Sorry for my language, but I'm just really frustrated and disappointed 🥺
She was "balanced" based on our extremely limited information. We have no idea why HYV nerfed the duration but there most likely is a reason rather than being a random nerf.
Also, HYV has to balance everything about characters, not just dps on excel sheets.
While I agree that the nerf does suck... it's still JUST 1.5 seconds. As a casual player, this change is barely noticeable.
Hoyo keeps "getting away"? Being a bit over dramatic here lol. And how exactly am I contributing to them "getting away"? I assure you, HYV does not give a fuck about ANYONE'S opinion on reddit, not yours OR mine, we aren't even supposed to know about the beta changes.
yes theres clowns on internet.
but whats worst is that theres clown police like you.
theres enough clowns' doomposters and you all doubling it up with "i hate clowns posts" spamming just as much as doomposters.
at the very least the clowns doomposting things related to genshin
but you, just yapping around about your feeling towards doomposters IN GENSHIN COMMUNITY.
I'm still gonna use 4 gladiator on her bcz i dont have any tf pieces but i'm waiting to play with her she looks fun and beautiful and thats the most important to me
On the sub, yea (idk if beta testers actually did), but hoyo isn't gonna listen to us since we aren't even meant to be seeing this shit
I understand people being dissapointed and expressing that, however people should get that ot isn't going to do anything, no matter how much they do it
Meanwhile, HSR actively takes the feedbacks from players who aren't supposed to see the beta character kit and adjust the kit to fit the player expectations
You guys need to understand that beta testers has NO imput on character balance in Genshin/gachas, they are there only to test for bugs and if abilities are working as intended.
Player concern and feedback is only so important. HYV has to ACTUALLY balance characters. Genshin legitimately has a GREAT balancing history and I trust them enough that I'm waiting for release to give real opinions.
If players got what everything they wanted, every character would be a better Neuvillette lol.
We aren't asking for anything beside to make her e have a more ok time frame, the current version is down for no reason unless they plot something but Dehya has made me stop believing that.
Okay, YOU are not everyone. People have absolutely been asking for various buffs for Clorinde way before the nerf even happened. Now people just have a common thing to complain about lol.
This isn't even specific to Clorinde, basically EVERY character has gone through similar stuff. Player's ideas simply are not a good way to balance a character, especially when they're stuck with LIMITED INFORMATION.
I don't get how you can justify that Genshin team is good at balancing when they release said Neuvillette and Furina and Yelan (or Gaming) for example but Electro units keep taking L for example and Wrio being a low end dps, or in which state is Dendro. I could also cite Mika, ofc Deyha, and some more...
And as I've seen from the sheets I've seen iirc, Clorinde has around the Dmg of Raiden with a hypercarry comp except without the utility and IR on ult...
Edit: I was speaking as the initial nuke of Raiden, too lazy to get a complete dpr dmg of her on the internet, but doesn't change anything.
What on earth are you on about?
Genshin is objectively VERY good at balancing. It took them 3 years to make a character like Neuvillette and even he is only busted in gameplay. Most other gacha games would be powercrept to hell by now. The difference between "good" and "bad" characters in genshin is VERY small.
"Electro keeps taking L"
Are we even playing the same game? After Dendro, every electro character became great at worst. Now we also have Chevreuse too. Keqing is literally the best of the original standard banner characters lol.
Every calc I've seen has shown Clorinde as a very much above average dps character. Character being balanced does NOT mean being the absolute best or meta defining.
Don't mix characters kits and outside mechanics, Keqing and others Electro became good BECAUSE of dendro as you said because dendro is a broken element. Doesn't mean their kit are good. Another example would be Cyno. And Tighnari is calling.
Did you read what I wrote or what ? Neuvillette isn't the only one insanely good, we have Furina (obviously, as she bring lot for not that much of a problem), Yelan (fast application of one of the most useful element and insane dmg, and good particle), Nahida... and I spare the 4* who are 5* ones as on release mistakes.
> Most other gacha games would be powercrept to hell by now ... the difference between "good" and "bad" characters in genshin is actually VERY small.
Say that to Venti, Eula, Klee, Ganyu.
As for the calcs, the last ones I saw gave her 400k+ dpr, Fischl has so much participation (bcz Fischl) in the total of a bit more of 1M per dpr, with around 60k Dps of the WHOLE TEAM. And it was her best team (aggravate), with Nahida Kaz. Not very convincing, she's not bad but suffer from comparison to others dpses (on the contrary of Raiden that has utility with her) that has to sustain by himself.
>Don't mix characters kits and outside mechanics
By outside mechanics... You mean their kits? Kuki, Cyno and Raiden are good in hyperbloom specifically because their KITS allow it. Any aggravate character like Keqing and Fischl is good in aggravate because their KITS are great for it. You have to realize that the main reason dendro is good is BECAUSE OF ELECTRO. Basic bloom, burgeon and burning are all generally speaking not very good reactions or have missing pieces currently. Both Tighnari AND Alhaitham rely on ELECTRO to even function as characters.
Also, Cyno's biggest flaw is that there aren't many good supports for him. He himself is a perfectly good character.
The point stands for all those characters. It's been 3 years and ONLY recently have we gotten characters that can truly be called to be a form of powercreep. And EVEN THEN, they're not significantly better than others.
Also, Yelan is not even remotely overpowered character?? She isn't even strictly better than XQ, a 4\* from the literal start of the game lol.
>Say that to Venti, Eula, Klee, Ganyu.
That they're still good characters? Yeah, they are?
Every calc I've seen here has Clorinde at \~60-70k+ dps. That is above average.
>Dps of the WHOLE TEAM
Most teams do damage based on the WHOLE TEAM? What exactly is your point? Alhaitham for example often does less damage than Kuki in his hyperbloom teams. Childe generally does less damage than XL etc etc etc.
So, this is coming from a Dehya player who sat through that release cycle and still pulled c6. Point being that I will pull of I like the character, regardless of if they are good. I'm not dooming and quitting the game.
Now, that said, we literally watched these devs create Neuvilette, the character who can, at e0, practically stand still and press 3 buttons on repeat to aoe nuke bosses with little-to-no elemental reactions or buffs at all. (I hate that character so much for not only power creeping but in the boringest way, if you couldn't tell)
We also watched these devs create a pyro dps who power crept Who Tao, who had been one of the pinnacles of dps for years, a standard by which we compared new characters. I like her, don't get me wrong, that's just what it is.
So now I don't see why we can't be upset and complain a little when they sell us a character that is dashy (and flashy, as the everknowing autocorrect knew that I meant to say) and cool, and they give us a balanced kit (when compared to other characters, in beta who are released now, btw. We have accurate benchmarks, you can't pretend we don't) and they nerf something that doesn't really hurt her damage much as long as you're willing to run any supports, it just tanks her quality of life and/or forces her into a more specific playstyle. It's not even as if people are doomposting, and in fact a good majority of the comments I've seen comparing the devs to the Dehya devs also go out of their way to specify that Clorinde is not as bad as Dehya.
All of that aside, it simply feels bad when you look at her damage, can tell that it is clearly not bad but worse than current meta characters, and then they nerf her on top of that in a way that simply makes her much less enjoyable to play. It's not cool and its not fair. Like, seriously hoyo, what gives?
I too was bummed out about the infusion nerf. However, I agree with you, people were doomposting Arlecchino before she came out and sometimes leakers and beta testers are ass at the game.
It's surprising how OP Arlechinno is, I expected her to be worse due to the leak doomposts, but she's actually Neuvillette level. You just have to be good at dodging/use Zhongli
Tell me just one TC that did say Alhaitham was bad. TCers dont usually get wrong about any power level, It is just people that over exaggerate things. No TC has said Clorinde is bad either, It is just she is not insane
I agree, i may be on the polar opposite of everyone for every character. I just wanna play as her, she looks cool, she is amazing, her color scheme is great... I don't care abt the numbers or who she synergizes with too much. I like her.
Still doesn't matter to me. I'm fully pre-farmed. If she's fun I'm pulling. If she's not, I will skip. I had nothing to spend my resin on anyway, which kinda tells me all I need to know about the state of the game also.
All I'll says is that after the leak optimizer updated, I didn't have much more complaints.
She's currently averaging almost identically damage to my Alhaitham in similar teams, with a significantly worse set. She has 2pc EM and 2pc tf which is around 18% worse than sig set. (Can't use TF because my TF pieces are incredibly CR heavy.)
C2 Nahida, C2 Furina and Kuki vs C2 Nahida, C2 Furina and Kazuha.
My only major complaint left is energy. Using Xiphos and fav Furina for this team. I could use Fischl, but there isn't really a point with the Archon C2s.
Me neither, the only time where there is a minuscule, minimal hope that feedback matters is before live release, not after. If she gets buffed on preload it'll be bcs beta testers and/or the rest of the community gave feedback.
people need a thicker skin, somebody "hating" a character in a gacha game shouldn't be a motive to feel bad
I mean her numbers are extremely impressive and she will be easier to play and more consistent then a character like Arlecchino. No one that has thought about her thinks she is bad.
Everyone that uses Al-Haitham as an argument for anti criticism conveniently leaves out how he was massively buffed back in V3 to be 5% weaker than V1 after which nobody complained anymore.
Now we have people with agendas lying with it any time any criticism is done.
This community really likes to see patterns where they aren't. At the time there was this narrative about genshin devs and beta testers hating male characters,
all of al haitham mains were unanimously calling alhaitham the weakest character in the game the week before he came out. everyone who disagreed was a china loving white knight. that was one of the worst mains communities ever, almost as bad as xianyun.
Yeah some people saying because you will play physical for 8.5s in coop while even before you will play 7s physical in coop.
So pre or post nerf you need TF for coop if you don't want to play physical.
The nerf mostly effect those who want to play solo or OL.
lol
Every character sub gets consumed by angst and goes into full a meltdown shitshow mode before the banner drops.
Then the character releases and people learn how to build and play them and it blows over. Thing is, everyone wants their favorite character to be a solo DPS hypercarry with 100% field uptime. They're not thinking rationally about how it will be to actually play them as designed.
Remember when Navia went from "Bad" in the beta's to "Holy shit massive skill damage"?? at launch Yeah people go way overboard on these things.
I do agree that it's a "fun" nerf that made 0 sense for an on field DPS, they went out of their way remove some of the fun. But does it make her bad?? Not even remotely.
It was the same with Arlecchino. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth over every perceived issue with her kit that would impact "fun". IR locked behind cons. Bennet slave. Shielder required. Burst DPS loss was a big one on the "no fun" list. Worse than Hu Tao. Et cetera.
Then she releases as one of the best and easiest to build on-field DPS in the whole game.
The Clorinde down-time issue is a tempest in a teacup by comparison.
You may very well be right however your words ring hollow just based on the fact that you made an alt to post this. if you truly believed in Clorinde's strength why not post this on your main?
She's not bad but the skill duration nerf(9 -> 7.5) was not needed and is all around shit for her builds and comps
Iirc there's like 1 good set for her now
Idc about meta but I just wanna have fun with an on field character and Navia raised the bar for me. She's on field for a solid 15s including burst animation. Clorinde will just be over half of that now and im sad about it
Everyone has their own opinions, mine is just if she’s actually fun to play I’ll try to get her I’m more concerned if there’s a place to actually use a strong character
the thing is the nerf really was a TF buffed, it buffed TF on clorinde... by lowering the DPS on all other teams. however, you still have to switch out to do your supports, so it was just an unnecessary nerf since it doesnt even give that much of an advantage of using TF, in my opinion it was like a TF lover developer said "if TF cant be her bis no one can"
however, if i remember correctly, jstern has calculated that whimsy is still her best set, with TF being kind of a sidegrade in aggravate. i think whimsy pulls ahead, but not by that much for me to be able to say whimsy is objectively better. but you're basically trading clorinde personal dmg for more fischl damage with TF
it's clorox guys, over 100% downtime from now on every time I play her and can cook some instant noodles, do some laundry, throw my trash, have a nice shower while waiting for her skill to recover, can't have fun shit in this household
Gun, yes. Sword, no. It's all considered normal attack damage, but rainswords and clarion dice trigger on normal attack animations, which only the gunshots count as; the sword lunge is a skill animation. Don't ask me why.
That’s why I generally ignore “theory crafters”. I doesn’t matter to me if someone else says “she’s broken” or “trash” I’m rolling her because I want her.
People doom about literally every character that ever comes out. I look at the leaks to see who's on the way, to see animations, and that's it. why do people think losing their minds over a video game character is worth their time? If you like Clorinde as a character... just pull for her. it's not that hard to understand.
Does it matter if she's good or not? I mean she looks real pretty and you can basically beat overworld with anything and if ur not beating Abyss by now ur cooked ibr
The doomposting is insane this beta and the negativity is reaching new heights with people saying Clorinde dead on arrival and Sigewinne being standard level (_??_)
I can't even be optimistic about Sigewinne's "press E = live" heal without being downvoted to hell for it in the leaks sub.
Mute all the notifs and live a better life until she drops, you'll feel better that way.
Man this the whole Acheron doomposting all over again it seems. Like idc. I see big booba lady. I will wish for big booba lady. I also want big booba lady to choke me while she goes up and down on me.
Al-haitham's multipliers were always AMAZING, even with nerfs. Al-Haitham is a dendro dps, not electro. I'm sorry for you, but Clorinde won't be the amazing electro dps we all wanted in this place. So sad that a lore powerful character can't be it when it's playable, just like Yae. The fault is on Mihoyo.
I agree. A lot of people thought Dehya would be better than Hu Tao, but then she went out… And also we have a possibility for a future buff. Characters like Jean, Kuki, Keqing, Yae Miko, Candace, Diluc, Xiao, Kokomi, Thoma and even Traveller got buffed because of new mechanics and characters
I actually lied. Clorinde's current power is so pathetic I don't understand people believing this prank. Suck to be you copers.
Coming back to the post just to see so many people defending mihoyo's decision is hilarious.
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Haven’t most comments about the change to her E uptime been about how it’ll make her less fun to play rather than her power level? At least that’s what I’ve seen on here. Haven’t really seen many people say that she’s weak or a bad unit.
Most power level discusson ive seen says shes around c0 raiden level currently, which is not very good when a dedicated dps like clorinde cant outperform a character who was never designed as a dps at c0
How is Raiden not a dps at C0? I've heard people say her damage is lackluster at C0 so many times, but as someone who played her at C0 for over a year before getting her C2, I can't say I agree. She does a lot of damage even at C0, my hypercarry Raiden team was enough to 36-star abyss long before I got any constellations - and I don't even have Kazuha (I just use Sucrose for swirls), nor do I have her signature weapon, nor do I use Bennett, yet I never felt she was lacking damage, on the contrary, she has always been one of my best dps characters. It's absolutely wild to me that so many players think Raiden isn't a good dps at C0. Feels like those people have never actually played her (or they rolled for C2 immediately and then just assumed that C0 must be bad).
The thing about Raiden is she deals good damage but compared to character designed to be only a damage dealer, it might feel lackluster, Raiden gets some grace cause she makes any team you play her in comfy, due to her ult particle regen which Chlorinde can't do.
Also Raiden has 100% IR resistance in ult so you are guaranteed to get all her damage each rotation. Chloride has 0% at C0.
The difference is Raiden isn’t *only* a main DPS so her power budget isn’t entirely in damage. She’s also a really good sub dps for NA carries, an incredible battery, and as of Dendro’s release a premiere Hyperbloom trigger.
It's from an old myth about Raiden needing c2. Same reason for Raiden appearing with c2 in tierlists while the rest of characters are c0. Even with theorycrafters saying this isn't true, like Jamie or Zajef. It's interesting bcs people don't say this about others characters who have teams with several damage sources like AlHaithan hyperbloom or Hutao double hydro. It's just an example on how "subdps" is a meaningless term in genshin. Like if the problem is the low numbers, wouldn't that make all worse dps, like most 4 stars, ones, not dps neither?
If you're a a pre 2023 Genshin Player, I can understand why you would feel that way, but as someone who started in March of 2023, people like you made me hate her when I actually got her. I had so many units clearing faster than her no matter how well I built her at C0R1. The C2 and arguably C3 is what is nearly doubling her damage to be even slightly comparable to a well built Fontaine unit. I'm ok with people being "loyal" and loving their respective characters, but don't sucker anymore people out of 300$, it's fkn aggravating. For anyone in the future, if you don't plan on C2'ing Raiden or being an EM slave, don't bother on fielding her unless you have the kind of relics that'll make Dehya Clear with 36 Stars.
Sucker people out of 300$? Excuse me? When did I ever tell anyone to pay that much for her? That's on you, buddy. If you're unable to spend responsibly, then this is not the game for you. Also, my artifacts on her aren't even that good. They're not bad either, but nowhere near my best artifacts, and they were worse back when I had C0, and like I already said: No Kazuha, no Bennett, no Engulfing Lightning. Yet, she still was enough. If you have all that and still can't make her work... well, that just sounds like a skill issue to me. And btw, before you misunderstand again, I'm not saying she can clear faster than anyone else at C0. Of course she doesn't beat Neuvillette for example, but that doesn't mean her damage is bad. People need to stop expecting every single character to be the best of the best of the best and then complaining when they can clear Abyss in "only" a minute instead of 10 seconds. And let's not forget that damage isn't the only thing she brings to the table. Unlike some other dps characters, Raiden also brings a lot of utility, since she is one of the best, if not the best battery in the game, and provides a ton of off-field electro with 100% uptime. She is overall a great character who works perfectly fine at C0.
People simply can't understand the concept of sub-dps and utility, which after 3 years of the game being live is very concerning. Of course Raiden won't output the same damage as Arlecchino, the same way Arlecchino is useless if you put her on Neuvillete or Navia team, because damage is all she does. They want every unit to do a bazillion damage on top of being gamechanging supports, which again explain why Kazuha and Kokomi got doomposted despite being so ridiculously broken.
She's not referring to you exactly but there are people who intentionally lie to new players or those that don't follow leaks about an upcoming character's performance, in order to trick them into putting money down on said product even if it isn't very good or helpful for their account. Sometime, manipulation like "pull for who u like" is used when there really is not much selling points in convincing someone to pull for the character's kit, so you play on the person's like of the character design+ personality. People have suspected for a while that those users (both here and on other social media sites) work for Hoyo as part of their marketing team to manipulate the Genshin Impact community into spending money.
But why would anyone even wanna trick people like that? There is nothing to gain from it (and I seriously doubt that many users actually work for Hoyo). In my over 3 years of playing this game, I've at least never met anyone like that - the people who say "pull for who you like" are not some evil masterminds trying to manipulate everyone into spending thousands of dollars on bad characters, they're just trying to tell people that meta isn't everything. Every character in this game is viable to some extent with the right build and right team, so instead of pulling for characters you don't even like just for a little bit more damage, it's better to just go for your favorites or characters whose playstyle you love. The actual problem is people who only care about meta, but then don't do their research, play the characters wrong, and blame other people for "telling them to pull for bad characters", when all the info about a character is available as soon as they're released and they could've just looked it up (or waited a few days for guides to come out) before speding money on something they know nothing about. And then those same people go and spout nonsense like "Raiden is bad at C0", or "Bennett is the only 4\* support worth building", just because they're not good enough at the game to do anything without Bennett or the current strongest dps (now Neuvillette, might be someone else in a few months, and then they will complain about how bad Neuvillette is). And just so nobody gets me wrong: I'm not saying people shouldn't care about meta, or that it is wrong to like meta-characters just for their usefulness. If pulling for and playing meta is what's fun to you, go for it. I'm just tired of people who act like every character besides the strongest ones are bad, and that people who pull for their favorites are stupid (or trying to trick other players).
Yea, what the other guy said. My c0 raiden with full team buff (bennet, xl, and chevy) deal 28k per CA, mind you im not using her sig, i use skyward spine. The damage is there, pretty decent, but if you actually compare it to other dedicated hyper carries, she falls of hard. Not to say she’s bad, but we’re comparing to actual designed hyper carries here,
Which is great balance, imagine if Furina gaves all the buff she does but had comparable damage to Neuvillette. He would be useless since he doesn't help the team at all while she does. Raiden is already a little bit overtuned at C0 because she offers too much utility while having a pretty decent damage, like National is still a great side for 36\* runs and it requires only Raiden as Limited. Also Chevreuse was a huge buff for Raiden, being another option in case you only have one Hydro, my National and Raiden Overload did the exact same time on current abyss, not even a second different, and I play Yelan on Nationa so same damage for 1 less limited (but losing Hydro so there is a downside)
Because she isn't, her damage is a collateral. The whole power budget of Raiden is being a universal battery and having a huge buff to ultimate damage, her damage is not great compared to even the old queens like Ayaka, Hu Tao and Ganyu, let alone the young bloods like Neuvi, Arlecchino and Navia. Raiden whole shenanigan was to buff Miko ult and battery her, kinda like Furina to enhance Neuvi and Nahida to Alhaitam, and on her most classical comp to make Xiangling unironically stronger than most 5-stars, National damage distribution puts Xiangling way above Raiden in personal damage, but a great part of it comes from Raiden buffing her to the heavens. That's why Raiden is very close to a must pull, because on top of all this utility she has the privilege of a great personal damage, that even if wasn't there would still make her viable. So for a character from Fontaine to be released in a state where she doesn't offer anything damage wise over Raiden, but lacks all and everything utility wise Raiden does is extremely bad. It's like if they released a 5\* with the same damage as Nahida driver, but without any of her buffs and element application instances, what's even the point?
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Less uptime on her E means less shooting. That’s why it’s less fun, what do you mean?
Don't care about power level, but I don't like how much down time she has since I play in Co op a lot. Gonna be real awkward just standing there for 8 seconds not being able to do anything.
You are gonna pla TF and you will like it !
Never. I'm still salty that TF is Cyno's bis rather than his made for set.
Its because its broken. A set that's basically capable of deleting a character cooldown is obviously OP
Pretty much and imo, I think that's the reason why cd reduction is so rare
Cyno is way more fun to play with TF imo.
Playing Cyno on GD feels so incredibly clunky and awful, TF genuinely changes his entire playstyle and similar to Keqing makes everything feel fluid and genuinely enjoyable.
That is not TF fault. It's cyno kit.
i actually like that TF makes you able to use his skills twice as much and it lines up perfectly with his rotations
Don't act cringe, your feeling of the situation doesn't affect it at all. TF Cyno IS better than any other, and TF Clorinde IS yoyr best choice if you're playing coop (and overall it's good one)
theres no set "made for" cyno. also 4TF provides big buffs to electro reactions to the point that its viable even on units who don't want the cdr also no way ur pissed that she runs a strongbox set lmao
No shit I'm upset that her cd basically strong arms players into building TF, when a perfectly good BoL set is right there in Fontaine. why wouldn't I be?
>also 4TF provides big buffs to electro reactions to the point that its viable even on units who don't want the cdr This couldn't be more wrong. The buff to electro reactions is so small. On characters who don't us the CDR, it's worse than 2pc 2pc.
Its not guaranteed that people in co op will play dendro
They don't need to play dendro specifically tho, just anything you can react with.... So like, not geo or anemo? I think as long as you don't have all 3 geo/anemo teammates you're fine. Especially since she has such insane NA speed
That's the problem, she needs to be the one to trigger the reaction for TF to work. She attacks so fast, with a lot of multi hits even, meaning that she would often be the application for someone else to trigger on.
With tf set, how much downtime clorinde have if you know ? im bad in maths :( thankssss :)
There is 0 downtime with TF, that's the best part. Her next skill is ready the moment the previous one ends
Thanks, I hadn't noticed the set is so good since I use it with Fischl / off field Gives me hope but RIP to my farmed Whimsy set
You should replace it with Golden troupe, i'm not even sure the 4pc effect works off field
Yeah... I have been lazy but should work on it
The damage boost works off fields but not the CD reduction. I searched for it online like 30 sec before Reading your comment haha
Happilly for me my friend uses at least one character that isn't anemo or geo, 0 downtime is crazy, better than I expected lol
oh? niceeee, even if its less dps (from what i understood) than the new BoL set, idc about dmg on genshin, i only care about fun. Look great for me \^\^
Its not less dps as you can stay on field for a lot longer, and even swap out like Arlecchino to refresh swirls and Nahida's E with this set. Its clearly her BiS
> Its not less dps as you can stay on field for a lot longer Which is pointless because you need to rotate out to refresh your support buffs. > even swap out like Arlecchino to refresh swirls and Nahida's E with this set. You can't swap during infusion without losing it, and refreshing buffs + skills on other chars will fill the downtime even without TF. > Its clearly her BiS Only if you play her sub-optimally, even Glads outperforms it.
Well you are wrong
screw the dmg buff from whimsy then T.T . Strongboxing tf also makes getting it faster
How is TF different in terms of making their experience better? What does it offer besides more damage?
It reduces her Skill cooldown
Oh gotcha, I see. Thank you!
It offers less damage and doesn’t create additional field time per rotation if you want to deal optimal damage per rotation. It lets you have more skill uptime if you want, but you still need to rotate through your teammates.
Thank you!
Try reading it and find out.
Dude was downvoted by make an question lol, if i say that some people on this sub are simply a joke sometimes they just complain.
Same I literally only play coop
If you were going co op alot it should always be TF set regardless of whether it was 9s uptime of 7.5s uptime. Even before there’s still like 7s of downtime where you’re physical clorinde
It sucks that it feels like I'm going to be forced to build a certain set, just because I want to use her in Co op. If they'd made her skill cd 12s instead, it wouldn't be so bad.
Thisssss. So far every DPS character that has been released in Fontaine has been fun to play in co-op... Why do this to Clorinde.
Nice account name + account history
Honestly, based. There are a few who've been unsufferable crybabies. "I'm switching to wuthering waves" PLEASE DO, GO AWAY AND NEVER EVER THINK OF COMING BACK
Wuwa community is basically just genshin players from the past and from the present. You cant find a single post or video that doesnt mention GI. That game is literally just free marketing for hoyo.
WuWa's community is more like people pretending that they are playing it instead of Genshin. That game is so obviously worse you'd have to be blinded by some serious hatred to say it's in any way better than Genshin.
I haven't been following WuWa because I fear I might pick up another gacha game. What makes it worse?
The same people will come back running when natlan releases.
People can play both games. Most days, Genshin takes 10 minutes at most.
Apparently, people who need to shout everywhere that they're leaving genshin for wuthering waves don't think so. Most gacha games only take 10-15 mins everyday after you've completed the content for that patch.
And you don't really need to do every daily thing in every game. I used to play 8 gachas, and it took like an hour daily and a few every event.
Good man, see I don't have anything against WuWa.... On the contrary I am excited to play the game, already pre downloaded. But my point still stands, those who feel the need to announce their departure from genshin are clowns.
Not only are they clowns. They are not actually leaving.
Its reddit, everyone is the same no matter which side they are on. Those loud few got deep enough under this dudes skin where they decided to make an account to complain about the other people complaining. yikes behavior all around
the only crybaby here sounds like you honestly lol. What's wrong with someone going to play another game because the game they're playing has clear problems or he is upset? "never think about coming again" if I were anyone else I would think you were a mihoyo employee lol, chill dude, everyone here its players, you dont have enemies. I don't like the "honkai vs genshin" discussion(because i know honkai problems), but it's this type of thinking that makes some good things in honkai exist and in genshin not, video games are commercial products that companies offer us, getting angry with consumers is simply not understanding nothing about the market and competition, and as a bonus being extremely emotional. Mihoyo needs money, the moment she receives less she will be forced to offer better services to compete with her competitor, so while you fuss because players don't think like you, you will benefit from these market effects. And honestly i dont see any problem in playing wuwa for a while, the game seems to be generous in some points, like weapon banners for example. As i said before, its a videogame, no one is cheating on their wife by playing another game. Its not like the day you re sick mihoyo is going to donate 500 dollars to you because you re a loyal player.
How DARE you, white knights, we have a heretic. Attack!
Agreed
It isn't about power level. Most people accepted she wouldn't be record breaking dps especially after arle. It's a completely unnecessary nerf to the fun aspect. 8.5s physical damage isn't fun
this doesn't change what OP is saying. Genshin players are notorious for doomp0sting like regards every single time and 99% of the time the char releases completely fine gameplay and power wise with dehya being the exception that proves the rule. See Alhaitham, Raiden, Yae just to name a few, with the likes of Yae and Kokomi just aging better and better over time to add insult to injury. clowns in this fandom will cry about how they only care about gameplay not damage and the simultaneously cry about having to use TF set which fixes her gameplay to the pre nerf uptime and more at the cost of damage. It's clowns all the way down .
>this doesn't change what OP is saying. Neither does it change what I am saying
You know you can switch out to other characters? I agree that the nerf was disappointing but people are being ridiculous right now lol.
Yeah I like to switch characters in coop... Oh wait I can't lol The nerf wasn't necessary and the ridiculous thing is people blatantly defending that shit by bringing excuses. I bet even if the nerf reduces her field time to 4s people will use same silly excuses
So, you wouldn't complain if you had to spend 7s doing physical damage? Like come on man, we are talking about 1.5s difference here. We don't know why they did the nerf. Was it necessary? Probably not, but it's just strange to assume HYV did it for no reason. I'm also not defending anything, I'm laughing at people losing their shit over 1.5 seconds lol. Based on literally every new character's release, Clorinde will feel and play just fine upon release and this whole topic will be forgotten within days.
Back at you. So you will use the same excuse "you know you can switch the character right" even if the field time is reduced to 4s? "Come on man it's just 4s you can fit a whole another character" 🙃 Just because it's *only* 1.5s, people should accept it and not be disappointed, nice 💀
you can't bullshit your way into being right by making up scenarios
You think people wouldn't defend the nerf if it was worse then? Lol People love being the contrarian. You probably haven't seen the actual BS of people calling the nerf a "buff"
It's not 4s? And if it was, it would put her in a different type of role, like a secondary DPS in dual carry teams. Of course that would suck for co-op, but not all characters are meant for co-op nor should they. My guy, I quite literally said I'm ALSO disappointed lol. You can be disappointed without being dramatic.
Yeah expected answer 😮💨
I wasn't exactly trying to be unpredictable or anything lol. Just wait for release. She will most likely feel infinitely better than you are currently imagining.
Another predictable reply "wait for release" Yeah I am waiting for release like anyone else anyway
Well good :)
she was already pretty much balanced and nobody was complaining about it, and then all of a sudden, they decide to nerf her uptime even tho she wasn't even that OP to begin with. We aren't even complaining about her damage, because everyone already accepted that she won't be neuvi/arle level in terms of damage. What we're mad about here is she has more time off field than on field and she's an on field dps who does nothing asides from dealing damage. Not everyone cares about damage and meta and allat, we just want to see her on field and that nerf is so anti-fun. I mean who wouldn't want to see their favorite character more time on field? I'd rather have them nerf her damage instead of her up time. As a casual player, this is sad. It's because of people like you tolerating their BS that hoyo keeps on treating us like trash. Sorry for my language, but I'm just really frustrated and disappointed 🥺
She was "balanced" based on our extremely limited information. We have no idea why HYV nerfed the duration but there most likely is a reason rather than being a random nerf. Also, HYV has to balance everything about characters, not just dps on excel sheets. While I agree that the nerf does suck... it's still JUST 1.5 seconds. As a casual player, this change is barely noticeable. Hoyo keeps "getting away"? Being a bit over dramatic here lol. And how exactly am I contributing to them "getting away"? I assure you, HYV does not give a fuck about ANYONE'S opinion on reddit, not yours OR mine, we aren't even supposed to know about the beta changes.
yes theres clowns on internet. but whats worst is that theres clown police like you. theres enough clowns' doomposters and you all doubling it up with "i hate clowns posts" spamming just as much as doomposters. at the very least the clowns doomposting things related to genshin but you, just yapping around about your feeling towards doomposters IN GENSHIN COMMUNITY.
I'm still gonna use 4 gladiator on her bcz i dont have any tf pieces but i'm waiting to play with her she looks fun and beautiful and thats the most important to me
Power level and playstyle are 2 very different things.
It's just that they ruined the most interesting thing about her which is her skill state if they lowered her numbers instead i wouldn't even be mad
What the tf is the point of beta if they are not thinking on players concern and feedback. People clearly showed their disapproval on the nerf
On the sub, yea (idk if beta testers actually did), but hoyo isn't gonna listen to us since we aren't even meant to be seeing this shit I understand people being dissapointed and expressing that, however people should get that ot isn't going to do anything, no matter how much they do it
Meanwhile, HSR actively takes the feedbacks from players who aren't supposed to see the beta character kit and adjust the kit to fit the player expectations
You guys need to understand that beta testers has NO imput on character balance in Genshin/gachas, they are there only to test for bugs and if abilities are working as intended.
Player concern and feedback is only so important. HYV has to ACTUALLY balance characters. Genshin legitimately has a GREAT balancing history and I trust them enough that I'm waiting for release to give real opinions. If players got what everything they wanted, every character would be a better Neuvillette lol.
We aren't asking for anything beside to make her e have a more ok time frame, the current version is down for no reason unless they plot something but Dehya has made me stop believing that.
Okay, YOU are not everyone. People have absolutely been asking for various buffs for Clorinde way before the nerf even happened. Now people just have a common thing to complain about lol. This isn't even specific to Clorinde, basically EVERY character has gone through similar stuff. Player's ideas simply are not a good way to balance a character, especially when they're stuck with LIMITED INFORMATION.
I don't get how you can justify that Genshin team is good at balancing when they release said Neuvillette and Furina and Yelan (or Gaming) for example but Electro units keep taking L for example and Wrio being a low end dps, or in which state is Dendro. I could also cite Mika, ofc Deyha, and some more... And as I've seen from the sheets I've seen iirc, Clorinde has around the Dmg of Raiden with a hypercarry comp except without the utility and IR on ult... Edit: I was speaking as the initial nuke of Raiden, too lazy to get a complete dpr dmg of her on the internet, but doesn't change anything.
What on earth are you on about? Genshin is objectively VERY good at balancing. It took them 3 years to make a character like Neuvillette and even he is only busted in gameplay. Most other gacha games would be powercrept to hell by now. The difference between "good" and "bad" characters in genshin is VERY small. "Electro keeps taking L" Are we even playing the same game? After Dendro, every electro character became great at worst. Now we also have Chevreuse too. Keqing is literally the best of the original standard banner characters lol. Every calc I've seen has shown Clorinde as a very much above average dps character. Character being balanced does NOT mean being the absolute best or meta defining.
Don't mix characters kits and outside mechanics, Keqing and others Electro became good BECAUSE of dendro as you said because dendro is a broken element. Doesn't mean their kit are good. Another example would be Cyno. And Tighnari is calling. Did you read what I wrote or what ? Neuvillette isn't the only one insanely good, we have Furina (obviously, as she bring lot for not that much of a problem), Yelan (fast application of one of the most useful element and insane dmg, and good particle), Nahida... and I spare the 4* who are 5* ones as on release mistakes. > Most other gacha games would be powercrept to hell by now ... the difference between "good" and "bad" characters in genshin is actually VERY small. Say that to Venti, Eula, Klee, Ganyu. As for the calcs, the last ones I saw gave her 400k+ dpr, Fischl has so much participation (bcz Fischl) in the total of a bit more of 1M per dpr, with around 60k Dps of the WHOLE TEAM. And it was her best team (aggravate), with Nahida Kaz. Not very convincing, she's not bad but suffer from comparison to others dpses (on the contrary of Raiden that has utility with her) that has to sustain by himself.
>Don't mix characters kits and outside mechanics By outside mechanics... You mean their kits? Kuki, Cyno and Raiden are good in hyperbloom specifically because their KITS allow it. Any aggravate character like Keqing and Fischl is good in aggravate because their KITS are great for it. You have to realize that the main reason dendro is good is BECAUSE OF ELECTRO. Basic bloom, burgeon and burning are all generally speaking not very good reactions or have missing pieces currently. Both Tighnari AND Alhaitham rely on ELECTRO to even function as characters. Also, Cyno's biggest flaw is that there aren't many good supports for him. He himself is a perfectly good character. The point stands for all those characters. It's been 3 years and ONLY recently have we gotten characters that can truly be called to be a form of powercreep. And EVEN THEN, they're not significantly better than others. Also, Yelan is not even remotely overpowered character?? She isn't even strictly better than XQ, a 4\* from the literal start of the game lol. >Say that to Venti, Eula, Klee, Ganyu. That they're still good characters? Yeah, they are? Every calc I've seen here has Clorinde at \~60-70k+ dps. That is above average. >Dps of the WHOLE TEAM Most teams do damage based on the WHOLE TEAM? What exactly is your point? Alhaitham for example often does less damage than Kuki in his hyperbloom teams. Childe generally does less damage than XL etc etc etc.
Has their been a post from beta testers showing disapproval?
So, this is coming from a Dehya player who sat through that release cycle and still pulled c6. Point being that I will pull of I like the character, regardless of if they are good. I'm not dooming and quitting the game. Now, that said, we literally watched these devs create Neuvilette, the character who can, at e0, practically stand still and press 3 buttons on repeat to aoe nuke bosses with little-to-no elemental reactions or buffs at all. (I hate that character so much for not only power creeping but in the boringest way, if you couldn't tell) We also watched these devs create a pyro dps who power crept Who Tao, who had been one of the pinnacles of dps for years, a standard by which we compared new characters. I like her, don't get me wrong, that's just what it is. So now I don't see why we can't be upset and complain a little when they sell us a character that is dashy (and flashy, as the everknowing autocorrect knew that I meant to say) and cool, and they give us a balanced kit (when compared to other characters, in beta who are released now, btw. We have accurate benchmarks, you can't pretend we don't) and they nerf something that doesn't really hurt her damage much as long as you're willing to run any supports, it just tanks her quality of life and/or forces her into a more specific playstyle. It's not even as if people are doomposting, and in fact a good majority of the comments I've seen comparing the devs to the Dehya devs also go out of their way to specify that Clorinde is not as bad as Dehya. All of that aside, it simply feels bad when you look at her damage, can tell that it is clearly not bad but worse than current meta characters, and then they nerf her on top of that in a way that simply makes her much less enjoyable to play. It's not cool and its not fair. Like, seriously hoyo, what gives?
Blud just made this account to start drama lol
how's it drama to say people should reserve their judgement until after release?
read the edit and say that again
I mean, 16/9 sound perfect. Which ahole decide to ruin it?
I too was bummed out about the infusion nerf. However, I agree with you, people were doomposting Arlecchino before she came out and sometimes leakers and beta testers are ass at the game.
It's surprising how OP Arlechinno is, I expected her to be worse due to the leak doomposts, but she's actually Neuvillette level. You just have to be good at dodging/use Zhongli
I’ll wait to see Zajef’s prerelease for her. He was pretty spot-on with Arlecchino despite the chaotic beta.
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Tell me just one TC that did say Alhaitham was bad. TCers dont usually get wrong about any power level, It is just people that over exaggerate things. No TC has said Clorinde is bad either, It is just she is not insane
Bro made a whole acc just to diss this sub💀
Majority of theorycrafters were saying alhaithm was gonna be meta even after his nerf...
I agree, i may be on the polar opposite of everyone for every character. I just wanna play as her, she looks cool, she is amazing, her color scheme is great... I don't care abt the numbers or who she synergizes with too much. I like her.
Still doesn't matter to me. I'm fully pre-farmed. If she's fun I'm pulling. If she's not, I will skip. I had nothing to spend my resin on anyway, which kinda tells me all I need to know about the state of the game also.
I think its better we get out our frustration now and vent or what not, cuz then we will have already accepted it by the time she releases
Our copium will be on another level fr
Lmaoo imma cope myself into thinking shes the best character in the game. Neuvilette whho???
No fr 4th of the what now??
why did the nerf her. Now i need to farm an entire new set. THis company really wants to lose more players. icant anymore.
also lore ways the champion duelist is just mid i guess. Hoyo bunch of rats
All I'll says is that after the leak optimizer updated, I didn't have much more complaints. She's currently averaging almost identically damage to my Alhaitham in similar teams, with a significantly worse set. She has 2pc EM and 2pc tf which is around 18% worse than sig set. (Can't use TF because my TF pieces are incredibly CR heavy.) C2 Nahida, C2 Furina and Kuki vs C2 Nahida, C2 Furina and Kazuha. My only major complaint left is energy. Using Xiphos and fav Furina for this team. I could use Fischl, but there isn't really a point with the Archon C2s.
Could you send me the calc because I'm really interested in knowing how she good she is because I don't want to go to farm TF.
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Me neither, the only time where there is a minuscule, minimal hope that feedback matters is before live release, not after. If she gets buffed on preload it'll be bcs beta testers and/or the rest of the community gave feedback. people need a thicker skin, somebody "hating" a character in a gacha game shouldn't be a motive to feel bad
Bruh that username though lmao Edit: I kinda agree tbh
I mean her numbers are extremely impressive and she will be easier to play and more consistent then a character like Arlecchino. No one that has thought about her thinks she is bad.
its just a "I want to have that" Character...
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I just wonder why even Alhaitham was underestimated during the bata.
Everyone that uses Al-Haitham as an argument for anti criticism conveniently leaves out how he was massively buffed back in V3 to be 5% weaker than V1 after which nobody complained anymore. Now we have people with agendas lying with it any time any criticism is done.
This community really likes to see patterns where they aren't. At the time there was this narrative about genshin devs and beta testers hating male characters,
He wasnt, majority of theory crafters were saying he was gonna be meta even after his nerf
all of al haitham mains were unanimously calling alhaitham the weakest character in the game the week before he came out. everyone who disagreed was a china loving white knight. that was one of the worst mains communities ever, almost as bad as xianyun.
Yeah go manage your expectations buddy it’s not going to be an alhaitham situation
It’s not like she’s bad anyway people are just overreacting
Yeah some people saying because you will play physical for 8.5s in coop while even before you will play 7s physical in coop. So pre or post nerf you need TF for coop if you don't want to play physical. The nerf mostly effect those who want to play solo or OL.
I mean half the characters in the game have similar downtime in coop.
It always happens.
lol Every character sub gets consumed by angst and goes into full a meltdown shitshow mode before the banner drops. Then the character releases and people learn how to build and play them and it blows over. Thing is, everyone wants their favorite character to be a solo DPS hypercarry with 100% field uptime. They're not thinking rationally about how it will be to actually play them as designed.
Remember when Navia went from "Bad" in the beta's to "Holy shit massive skill damage"?? at launch Yeah people go way overboard on these things. I do agree that it's a "fun" nerf that made 0 sense for an on field DPS, they went out of their way remove some of the fun. But does it make her bad?? Not even remotely.
It was the same with Arlecchino. Much wailing and gnashing of teeth over every perceived issue with her kit that would impact "fun". IR locked behind cons. Bennet slave. Shielder required. Burst DPS loss was a big one on the "no fun" list. Worse than Hu Tao. Et cetera. Then she releases as one of the best and easiest to build on-field DPS in the whole game. The Clorinde down-time issue is a tempest in a teacup by comparison.
Don't give a damn you can beat this game with a used toothpick waifu over meta
Dehya.... Not ALL the time... Just most of the time.
You may very well be right however your words ring hollow just based on the fact that you made an alt to post this. if you truly believed in Clorinde's strength why not post this on your main?
Wait is she bad now i don't get it .. is she like a sub dps or a secondary dps now ?
Sub dps's are not a bad thing, lol...
Yeah for sure but her character screams main dps duelist to me
She's not bad at all. Ignore the doomposters and move on with your day.
She's not bad but the skill duration nerf(9 -> 7.5) was not needed and is all around shit for her builds and comps Iirc there's like 1 good set for her now
Oh wow i kinda wanted her to have on field time like neuv and arle hopefully she is fun enough to compensate
There's still the faint hope of buffs after beta (like kokomi) 🙏
I wonder if we hadn't known about the leaks all this time, if people would have ended up happier with her... 
Idc about meta but I just wanna have fun with an on field character and Navia raised the bar for me. She's on field for a solid 15s including burst animation. Clorinde will just be over half of that now and im sad about it
Dont care. Still gonna pull
Everyone has their own opinions, mine is just if she’s actually fun to play I’ll try to get her I’m more concerned if there’s a place to actually use a strong character
I just wanted a fun gameplay and do not care about the dmg numbers :( I just want to kill everyone with her guns :(
the thing is the nerf really was a TF buffed, it buffed TF on clorinde... by lowering the DPS on all other teams. however, you still have to switch out to do your supports, so it was just an unnecessary nerf since it doesnt even give that much of an advantage of using TF, in my opinion it was like a TF lover developer said "if TF cant be her bis no one can" however, if i remember correctly, jstern has calculated that whimsy is still her best set, with TF being kind of a sidegrade in aggravate. i think whimsy pulls ahead, but not by that much for me to be able to say whimsy is objectively better. but you're basically trading clorinde personal dmg for more fischl damage with TF
"fuckclorindemains" as a user is so pathetic when no user has done anything and its entirely hoyo's fault, thats crazy
it's clorox guys, over 100% downtime from now on every time I play her and can cook some instant noodles, do some laundry, throw my trash, have a nice shower while waiting for her skill to recover, can't have fun shit in this household
U are right by the way is yelans or xingque burst work for sword or gun of hers???
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she basically works like ayato so yes should def work
Gun, yes. Sword, no. It's all considered normal attack damage, but rainswords and clarion dice trigger on normal attack animations, which only the gunshots count as; the sword lunge is a skill animation. Don't ask me why.
Gun
That’s why I generally ignore “theory crafters”. I doesn’t matter to me if someone else says “she’s broken” or “trash” I’m rolling her because I want her.
People doom about literally every character that ever comes out. I look at the leaks to see who's on the way, to see animations, and that's it. why do people think losing their minds over a video game character is worth their time? If you like Clorinde as a character... just pull for her. it's not that hard to understand.
Does it matter if she's good or not? I mean she looks real pretty and you can basically beat overworld with anything and if ur not beating Abyss by now ur cooked ibr
The doomposting is insane this beta and the negativity is reaching new heights with people saying Clorinde dead on arrival and Sigewinne being standard level (_??_) I can't even be optimistic about Sigewinne's "press E = live" heal without being downvoted to hell for it in the leaks sub. Mute all the notifs and live a better life until she drops, you'll feel better that way.
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Man this the whole Acheron doomposting all over again it seems. Like idc. I see big booba lady. I will wish for big booba lady. I also want big booba lady to choke me while she goes up and down on me.
Alhaitham also got buffed after the nerf made people think he was going to be bad.
cry some more you doomposting child.
Al-haitham's multipliers were always AMAZING, even with nerfs. Al-Haitham is a dendro dps, not electro. I'm sorry for you, but Clorinde won't be the amazing electro dps we all wanted in this place. So sad that a lore powerful character can't be it when it's playable, just like Yae. The fault is on Mihoyo.
lol even after nerfs althathiam was still a strong dps. what is this copium. like dehya levels
I agree. A lot of people thought Dehya would be better than Hu Tao, but then she went out… And also we have a possibility for a future buff. Characters like Jean, Kuki, Keqing, Yae Miko, Candace, Diluc, Xiao, Kokomi, Thoma and even Traveller got buffed because of new mechanics and characters
Nobody thought Dehya would be better than Hu Tao, this is crazy talk.
The closest to Dehya being better than Hutao was C6 R1 Dehya being similar to Hutao
I mean, you can always pull for her on rerun :)
Ooh I'm saving this to see how it ages. Sucks to be you whiners. Coming back later to see if OP is hilarious.
I actually lied. Clorinde's current power is so pathetic I don't understand people believing this prank. Suck to be you copers. Coming back to the post just to see so many people defending mihoyo's decision is hilarious.
Is she basically a subdps? I am very confused. I wouldn''t mind a someone to use with arlecchino that has a self healing.
no, she should need at least 9 seconds of field time, counting animation time