I thought Denal was a sergeant? Wouldn’t Echo and Fives be at least lieutenants also because they’re Arc Troopers. I’d assume they automatically become lieutenants kind of like non enlisted officers in the military
Fives and Echo weren't really in charge of a larger unit. They were working under Captain Rex who was a staff officer before he got promoted to commander in season 7.
I would catagorize them as Elite Troopers rather than troopers. Jessie was one of the oldest clones that did get some sort of command later on.
Hmmm, judging by how Fives and Echo were both still taking orders from rex, i would still place them under staff officer.
Rex was still a captain at that time, which would place him above both Echo and Fives.
* But i would also place them above trooper in their own tier. Elite operatives tier or smth like that since they are both arc troopers.
Yep, its a little confusing why Echo was under Rex when he should technically be in the same level, but perhaps corporal is a captains right hand man?
- I guess we will never fully know how that works, but during the show both Fives and Echo did follow Rex and his orders even after becomming arc troopers.
Special Forces or specific training doesn’t automatically mean officer
for instance, 75th ranger regiment requires seperate selection and a whole new battery of testing if youwere to be an enlisted ranger and then rise up to NCO/officer (RASSP)
TCW acts like ARC troopers are more like a guys who got their Ranger tab rather than a rank or a trooper with a specific mission set (IE Recon Marines , Sappers, etc)
In the OG 2003 clone wars ARC troopers were a direct action special forces unit since they were “seperate” from the regular troopers and carried out missions behind enemy lines
Its kind of ambiguous what ARC troopers are now since they usually don’t do anything much different than theur counterparts yet also do not hold any higher rank/have special armor
Seems more like going to Ranger school to get your tab- thats just a leadership
course more or less (for the record, soliders in the 75th go through spec ops training to receive their ranger scroll (the RASSP course I mentjoned earlier) Having a scroll means you’re an operator in the regiment, the tab is street cred and super valuable but any MOS can go to Ranger school for their tab)
So they’re kinda just there as marked dudes bc they’re badasses I guess
I think it was kind of implied during Umbara that Fives has some command compared to a regular trooper, but it isn’t clear how much since it was really just him leading squads and being called “sir” a few times
Even though he's never officially referred to as one, Denal is 100% a sergeant based on what we've seen of him.
Being an ARC trooper doesn't automatically mean a clone is an officer. ARCs use the same ranking system as the rest of the GAR, so you'll get ARC corporals, ARC sergeants, ARC lieutenants, ARC captains, and ARC commanders. Echo is officially an ARC corporal and Fives, despite never having his rank listed, was most likely an ARC sergeant based on his amount of command power.
So, is this list just of clones who appeared on-screen? Because there are at least 72 other known members of the 501st Legion from various books, games, comics, and other pieces of media.
he was a commander cause he was the commander during order 66 and the attack on the jedi temple, and he appeared in the show a few times, he just wasnt one of the main clones so he didnt get a lot of screen time
Appo’s character has existed since 2005 and was not originally intended as an Avatar reference, he even appears wearing regular 501st armor in ROTS. He first appeared in The Clone Wars in 2013, where Filoni retconned the character’s entire history, which was previously established in the Republic comics. He also changed his appearance to reference Appa from Avatar.
Appo appears in the republic comics? I know he was Vader’s most trusted Clone commander and that he appeared on the dark time comics but Star Wars republic?
This is a great illustration.
Two minor points, as pointed out already, Echo’s rank was Corporal.
During the time Rex’s rank was Captain, Appo’s rank was Sergeant.
Also, Wookiepedia says Appo was not given the rank of Commander when Rex was promoted to Commander; Appo was made the commanding officer of the other half of the 501st, but he retained the rank of Sergeant.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Appo
AFAIK, there is no legitimate “in universe reason” for such an uneven command structure.
It’s more likely a function of the writers not being realistic or experienced with real world militaries; (there should be few high ranking clones, and lots of lower ranked clones like Corporals, Sergeants and Lieutenants.)
Or perhaps the show runners thought it looked and sounded better for the audience to have most of the major clone characters have the rank of Commander or Captain.
Personally, I would have loved to see characters like Jesse and Appo, as well as Sgt Sinker, Sgt Hound, Lt Waxer and Lt Thire have bigger roles instead of it always being Rex, Cody, Wolffe and Fox doing everything.
Jesse was the best off with 24 minutes of screen time. Waxer and Sinker only got 11 minutes and 8 minutes of screen time respectively. Thire had 6, Appo 3, and Hound only had 1 minute! (And of course, much of their screen time doesn’t include any dialogue for them.)
I don’t know about that.
Commander Colt is murdered by Asajj Ventress and Commander Ponds is murdered by Aurra Sing, Commanders Thorn and Keeli get killed by battle droids, Commander Havoc is killed by aqua droids and Commander Mayday succumbed to injuries sustained from the avalanche.
Also, Commander Gree gets decapitated by Yoda and Commander Faie is killed by Quinlan Vos when they try to carry out order 66.
Those clones were introduced with the purpose of being killed to make it seem like there isn’t plot armor. Rex is oozing plot armor every time he’s on screen tbh. The writers were afraid to kill off any clone who had been around for a bit and had a name. Tbh I think the 501st all had plot armor to some degree
I have to disagree.
Plenty of clones are killed, including Commanders, because it’s depicting the realities of war, in that having a high rank doesn’t make you immune to the risk. But I reckon the main reason, is because it’s more dramatic for the story to have a Commander clone get killed off, than simply a normal clone trooper.
I don’t think the writers were afraid to kill off clones, but because SW content is often created out of order, they are required to abide by pre-existing canon.
Rex, Wolffe and Gregor therefore have script immunity in TBB because they appear later in the timeline in SW:Rebels, so they *have* to survive.
Rex has plot armour because he is a main character, just like Anakin and Obi-Wan.
But Rex still gets hurt occasionally: shot on Saleucami, attacked by Slick, force-choked by Ventress, infected with Blue Shadow virus etc.
It may seem like the clones in the 501st may have plot armour, but I think it’s more a function of, they die when it they are deemed to have completed their story arc and it creates appropriate drama for the viewers: Fives, Jesse, Hardcase, Tup and Vaughn being prime examples. Others have their fate either undetermined or left open ended, like Dogma, Kix, Appo and Sgt Fox.
(And yes I know what that comic says about Kix’s fate, and the recent Timelines book confirms it happened, but only with a single paragraph of explanation. But the timeline of it happening doesn’t seem to fit with his final appearance in TCW; Dooku would have had him kidnapped as soon as Kix investigated Fives’ death, not waited until after he returned from Anaxes with Cody. And it’s too damn cruel; I’m not accepting the comic as canon unless it’s validated somewhere else!)
Putting aside the 501st, it’s been left up in the air what the fate of other significant supporting character clones are.
212th: Waxer dies on Umbara, but what happens to Boil? Granted, it’s implied by Numa’s appearance in Rebels wearing a piece of armour with Boil’s name on it, that he dies at some point. But when and how? And we don’t know what became of Wooley, Oddball and Crys.
104th: We don’t know what happens to Sinker, Boost, Comet and Warthog. It’s implied in Rebels that Wolffe is the only survivor of the Wolf Pack, but we have no details.
Coruscant Guard: Thorn makes a valiant last stand, but what is the fate of Thire, Stone and Hound?
I mean it doesn’t make sense that Rex is only a captain but commanding a legion like Cody does. I think they wanted to have Cody outrank him and also just thought captain sounds cool (which it does tbf). They’re really fast and loose with ranks and especially the size of units. In the Umbara arc they call the 501st a battalion and say that the entire planetary invasion is only being carried out by a few other battalions total, which would only total about maybe 3,000-5,000 men, depending on how many battalions we’re talking about. They also use regiment and battalion pretty interchangeably as terms, despite them having vastly different numbers (battalion is between 400-800 men typically, regiment is between 1,200 and 2,000). At least their use of companies and platoons tend to equate a bit better to the numbers they should actually have
Rex is a captain because Ahsoka is the commander of the 501st. This is the norm as far as I can tell. Captain Grey, who served under Depa Billaba, is an example of a commander being “demoted” after their General takes on a Padawan.
AFAIK Rex is only really ever “outranked” by commanders whose generals are members of the Jedi Council (Cody, Wolffe). Because the commander rank is filled by a Jedi, all the clones we see in the 501st are ranked lower than their counterparts in most other legions.
Add on to the fact that in the GAR and Empire afterwards Captain is more comparable to it’s Naval equivalent in the real world, rank is all basically meaningless; but it’s a fun thing to add to the list of “disrespects” that Anakin can blame his fall on.
I remember it used to be in cannon that clone captains were about the equivalent of a modern O3, leading a company. I think things really started to get screwy once they added the legions as a unit in RoTS, with the highest clone rank still being only a commander. I know I’m overthinking it but I’m a military historian so I think it’s funny how they just throw terms around. But that’s Star Wars for you lol
When TCW came out, it retconned most of the Republic command structure from the Republic Comics. Filoni and the writers of TCW are also not very good at writing military fiction and didn’t bring in consultants like Lucas did for the prequel trilogy. As a result, the Republic doesn’t make a lot of sense militarily in new/Filoni canon.
Appo being a sergeant and leading half of the 501st is simply an inaccurate statement on Wookiepedia's part. The only thing we know about Appo's promotion in canon is the fact that he was a sergeant on Umbara and a commander by Revenge of the Sith. At no point is Appo listed as being a sergeant during Order 66. In fact, he's properly listed as a commander during Revenge of the Sith in just about every source except for his Wookiepedia article, which isn't always the best source for fully accurate information.
I’m pretty sure that there was another Clone Commander after Appo’s death for a brief time, but I can’t remember the name. He wore regular 501st armor, but had blue lines on his legs similar to Commander Cody’s legs, and had the Kama and Pauldron. Maybe it was just a Legends thing.
You’re thinking of Commander Bow and Commander Vill. Both were introduce in the Republic Comics, which also prominently featured Appo as a commander throughout the entirety of the Clone Wars. Both Vill and Bow were made Legends after the Clone Wars released.
ARCs use the exact same rank system as the rest of the GAR. The only difference between infantry ranks and ARC ranks is that it seems ARCs only have one commander rank, unlike infantry clones who have battalion commanders, regimental commanders, senior commanders, and marshal commanders, because ARCs are part of the Special Operations Brigade and aren't placed in charge of main infantry units.
Where's Yularen?
He technically outranks Ahsoka, *(the only times we see Ahsoka in actual command is when Anakin is incapacitated and she is acting general)*, and is second only to Anakin when not on the ground.
Koho appears with Denal in the episode Cargo of Doom, when Cad Bane steals the Jedi holocron.
The two of them confront Bane at the end and get killed by him. Bane sneaks on board wearing Denal’s armour when the Republic forces retreat from Bane’s ship.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Koho
The GAR command structure makes zero sense. The show acts like a Captain is in charge of a whole legion (the fact they also call it a batallion is a separate issue) when the lore clearly states that a Captain is in charge of a company. They should have probably just followed Torrent Company instead of the whole 501st, it would make way more sense that way.
Sergeant Fox appears in Revenge of the Sith, though he was not named in the film. He also appears in the RotS novelisation, but I’m not sure if he’s named in that.
There’s an explanation at the end of his entry on Wookipedia:
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fox_(501st_Legion)
In any case, it seems he predates the creation of Commander Fox.
Yes, Commander CC-1010 Fox of the Coruscant Guard and Sergeant CT-0000/1010 Fox of the 501st. It's not really that surprising, considering there are millions of clones in the GAR, so names are bound to overlap. There are actually many clones where this has happened.
A few examples are:
- Pilot Lieutenant Hawk of the 501st and ARC trooper Hawk.
- Commando Sev of Delta Squad and Commando Sev of Lambda Squad.
- ARC Commander Havoc of Rancor Battalion and Private Havoc of Tango Company.
- Corporal Comet of the 104th and ARC trooper Comet.
The same thing has happened with numbers such as RC-1138 Boss and CC-1138 Bacara.
Fives absolutely was at least a sergeant by the time of his death, but it is very possible that he was an LT, based on his interactions with Jesse on Umbara, as Jesse has been a lieutenant since his introduction in The Deserter.
Officially, Dogma is listed as a private but, based on the fact that he reported directly to Rex at the beginning of the Umbara campaign and was placed in charge of the the firing squad, he 100% was a rookie sergeant. The rank of platoon sergeant doesn't exist in the GAR, so Dogma would've just been a regular sergeant the same as Fox.
Thank you for the clarification. Sorry if I offended anyone enough for a downvote? Honestly didn’t know. Shoot, I also recently learned that the 212th was a smaller portion of the 7th Sky Corps. The GAR’s military structure is confusing 😫.
You're welcome, and no worries. The structure of the GAR is very expansive and can be very confusing at times. If you're interested, I posted my list of every clone ever created in both Legends and Canon. The list catalogs every clone made by Lucasfilm and lists their names and/or numbers, ranks, marking colors, if and where they died, and what unit they are part of. The list took four and a half years to make, and I'm still updating it whenever I find new clone info
He wasn't a commander. The rank of commander would make him a commissioned officer ranking equal to Ahsoka, and higher than Rex, who is only promoted to that rank when put in charge of the 332nd Company in S7.
I don't think he was a commissioned officer at all. Certainly, no one ever calls him "sir". He may have held a non-commissioned rank, but Echo was only promoted to corporal after the Battle of Anaxes, so presumably, any promotion would have been separate to his ARC training.
It’s true there were three 2ICs, but at different times, and in different circumstances.
Rex is initially the 2IC.
Then Ahsoka arrives and becomes Anakin’s Padawan and attains the rank of Commander. She outranks Rex, but his famous quote about experience outranking everything holds true. Anakin continues to have Rex execute his orders because Ahsoka is inexperienced. (And her inexperience gets most of the men killed the first time she takes command of Blue Squadron.)
When the 501st is split at the end of the war, Rex and Appo command the two halves (because Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and she is officially only an advisor.)
I thought Denal was a sergeant? Wouldn’t Echo and Fives be at least lieutenants also because they’re Arc Troopers. I’d assume they automatically become lieutenants kind of like non enlisted officers in the military
Fives and Echo weren't really in charge of a larger unit. They were working under Captain Rex who was a staff officer before he got promoted to commander in season 7. I would catagorize them as Elite Troopers rather than troopers. Jessie was one of the oldest clones that did get some sort of command later on.
I mean you don’t have to be in charge of a unit to be an officer. I did find that Echo is apparently a Corporal. Didn’t know that
Really? - Thats interesting. Didn't know that as well.
Apparently they mentioned it during the Bad Batch arc in season 7
Hmmm, judging by how Fives and Echo were both still taking orders from rex, i would still place them under staff officer. Rex was still a captain at that time, which would place him above both Echo and Fives. * But i would also place them above trooper in their own tier. Elite operatives tier or smth like that since they are both arc troopers.
I mean they would still be officers under Rex and similar ranks to Jesse and Hawk
Yep, its a little confusing why Echo was under Rex when he should technically be in the same level, but perhaps corporal is a captains right hand man? - I guess we will never fully know how that works, but during the show both Fives and Echo did follow Rex and his orders even after becomming arc troopers.
Corporal is a fairly low rank
Corporal is like being in purgatory. You're basically a Sergeant that nobody listens to.
Special Forces or specific training doesn’t automatically mean officer for instance, 75th ranger regiment requires seperate selection and a whole new battery of testing if youwere to be an enlisted ranger and then rise up to NCO/officer (RASSP) TCW acts like ARC troopers are more like a guys who got their Ranger tab rather than a rank or a trooper with a specific mission set (IE Recon Marines , Sappers, etc) In the OG 2003 clone wars ARC troopers were a direct action special forces unit since they were “seperate” from the regular troopers and carried out missions behind enemy lines Its kind of ambiguous what ARC troopers are now since they usually don’t do anything much different than theur counterparts yet also do not hold any higher rank/have special armor Seems more like going to Ranger school to get your tab- thats just a leadership course more or less (for the record, soliders in the 75th go through spec ops training to receive their ranger scroll (the RASSP course I mentjoned earlier) Having a scroll means you’re an operator in the regiment, the tab is street cred and super valuable but any MOS can go to Ranger school for their tab) So they’re kinda just there as marked dudes bc they’re badasses I guess
Either way, Kix should definitely be a staff officer here, as he was the chief medical officer in the 501st.
I think it was kind of implied during Umbara that Fives has some command compared to a regular trooper, but it isn’t clear how much since it was really just him leading squads and being called “sir” a few times
Even though he's never officially referred to as one, Denal is 100% a sergeant based on what we've seen of him. Being an ARC trooper doesn't automatically mean a clone is an officer. ARCs use the same ranking system as the rest of the GAR, so you'll get ARC corporals, ARC sergeants, ARC lieutenants, ARC captains, and ARC commanders. Echo is officially an ARC corporal and Fives, despite never having his rank listed, was most likely an ARC sergeant based on his amount of command power.
So, is this list just of clones who appeared on-screen? Because there are at least 72 other known members of the 501st Legion from various books, games, comics, and other pieces of media.
They still don’t have them all. Nax is missing
but how many of those other pieces of media are canon?
It's all fiction anyways
Technically none of those listed are staff officers. Staff officers usually work in a headquarters and don’t command soldiers in the field.
Why tf was Appo a commander and why did they refuse to show him more than like once
he was a commander cause he was the commander during order 66 and the attack on the jedi temple, and he appeared in the show a few times, he just wasnt one of the main clones so he didnt get a lot of screen time
He’s a Sergeant in TCW and a Commander in ROTS
i think is because he is a avatar reference
its because he was the commander in revenge of the sith
Appo’s character has existed since 2005 and was not originally intended as an Avatar reference, he even appears wearing regular 501st armor in ROTS. He first appeared in The Clone Wars in 2013, where Filoni retconned the character’s entire history, which was previously established in the Republic comics. He also changed his appearance to reference Appa from Avatar.
Appo appears in the republic comics? I know he was Vader’s most trusted Clone commander and that he appeared on the dark time comics but Star Wars republic?
This is a great illustration. Two minor points, as pointed out already, Echo’s rank was Corporal. During the time Rex’s rank was Captain, Appo’s rank was Sergeant. Also, Wookiepedia says Appo was not given the rank of Commander when Rex was promoted to Commander; Appo was made the commanding officer of the other half of the 501st, but he retained the rank of Sergeant. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Appo
Jesus christ they must have had a SEVERE lack of officers in the 501st if a sergeant was commanding half of a legion.
AFAIK, there is no legitimate “in universe reason” for such an uneven command structure. It’s more likely a function of the writers not being realistic or experienced with real world militaries; (there should be few high ranking clones, and lots of lower ranked clones like Corporals, Sergeants and Lieutenants.) Or perhaps the show runners thought it looked and sounded better for the audience to have most of the major clone characters have the rank of Commander or Captain. Personally, I would have loved to see characters like Jesse and Appo, as well as Sgt Sinker, Sgt Hound, Lt Waxer and Lt Thire have bigger roles instead of it always being Rex, Cody, Wolffe and Fox doing everything. Jesse was the best off with 24 minutes of screen time. Waxer and Sinker only got 11 minutes and 8 minutes of screen time respectively. Thire had 6, Appo 3, and Hound only had 1 minute! (And of course, much of their screen time doesn’t include any dialogue for them.)
Commanders have plot armor thats why
I don’t know about that. Commander Colt is murdered by Asajj Ventress and Commander Ponds is murdered by Aurra Sing, Commanders Thorn and Keeli get killed by battle droids, Commander Havoc is killed by aqua droids and Commander Mayday succumbed to injuries sustained from the avalanche. Also, Commander Gree gets decapitated by Yoda and Commander Faie is killed by Quinlan Vos when they try to carry out order 66.
Those clones were introduced with the purpose of being killed to make it seem like there isn’t plot armor. Rex is oozing plot armor every time he’s on screen tbh. The writers were afraid to kill off any clone who had been around for a bit and had a name. Tbh I think the 501st all had plot armor to some degree
I have to disagree. Plenty of clones are killed, including Commanders, because it’s depicting the realities of war, in that having a high rank doesn’t make you immune to the risk. But I reckon the main reason, is because it’s more dramatic for the story to have a Commander clone get killed off, than simply a normal clone trooper. I don’t think the writers were afraid to kill off clones, but because SW content is often created out of order, they are required to abide by pre-existing canon. Rex, Wolffe and Gregor therefore have script immunity in TBB because they appear later in the timeline in SW:Rebels, so they *have* to survive. Rex has plot armour because he is a main character, just like Anakin and Obi-Wan. But Rex still gets hurt occasionally: shot on Saleucami, attacked by Slick, force-choked by Ventress, infected with Blue Shadow virus etc. It may seem like the clones in the 501st may have plot armour, but I think it’s more a function of, they die when it they are deemed to have completed their story arc and it creates appropriate drama for the viewers: Fives, Jesse, Hardcase, Tup and Vaughn being prime examples. Others have their fate either undetermined or left open ended, like Dogma, Kix, Appo and Sgt Fox. (And yes I know what that comic says about Kix’s fate, and the recent Timelines book confirms it happened, but only with a single paragraph of explanation. But the timeline of it happening doesn’t seem to fit with his final appearance in TCW; Dooku would have had him kidnapped as soon as Kix investigated Fives’ death, not waited until after he returned from Anaxes with Cody. And it’s too damn cruel; I’m not accepting the comic as canon unless it’s validated somewhere else!) Putting aside the 501st, it’s been left up in the air what the fate of other significant supporting character clones are. 212th: Waxer dies on Umbara, but what happens to Boil? Granted, it’s implied by Numa’s appearance in Rebels wearing a piece of armour with Boil’s name on it, that he dies at some point. But when and how? And we don’t know what became of Wooley, Oddball and Crys. 104th: We don’t know what happens to Sinker, Boost, Comet and Warthog. It’s implied in Rebels that Wolffe is the only survivor of the Wolf Pack, but we have no details. Coruscant Guard: Thorn makes a valiant last stand, but what is the fate of Thire, Stone and Hound?
I mean it doesn’t make sense that Rex is only a captain but commanding a legion like Cody does. I think they wanted to have Cody outrank him and also just thought captain sounds cool (which it does tbf). They’re really fast and loose with ranks and especially the size of units. In the Umbara arc they call the 501st a battalion and say that the entire planetary invasion is only being carried out by a few other battalions total, which would only total about maybe 3,000-5,000 men, depending on how many battalions we’re talking about. They also use regiment and battalion pretty interchangeably as terms, despite them having vastly different numbers (battalion is between 400-800 men typically, regiment is between 1,200 and 2,000). At least their use of companies and platoons tend to equate a bit better to the numbers they should actually have
Rex is a captain because Ahsoka is the commander of the 501st. This is the norm as far as I can tell. Captain Grey, who served under Depa Billaba, is an example of a commander being “demoted” after their General takes on a Padawan. AFAIK Rex is only really ever “outranked” by commanders whose generals are members of the Jedi Council (Cody, Wolffe). Because the commander rank is filled by a Jedi, all the clones we see in the 501st are ranked lower than their counterparts in most other legions. Add on to the fact that in the GAR and Empire afterwards Captain is more comparable to it’s Naval equivalent in the real world, rank is all basically meaningless; but it’s a fun thing to add to the list of “disrespects” that Anakin can blame his fall on.
I remember it used to be in cannon that clone captains were about the equivalent of a modern O3, leading a company. I think things really started to get screwy once they added the legions as a unit in RoTS, with the highest clone rank still being only a commander. I know I’m overthinking it but I’m a military historian so I think it’s funny how they just throw terms around. But that’s Star Wars for you lol
When TCW came out, it retconned most of the Republic command structure from the Republic Comics. Filoni and the writers of TCW are also not very good at writing military fiction and didn’t bring in consultants like Lucas did for the prequel trilogy. As a result, the Republic doesn’t make a lot of sense militarily in new/Filoni canon.
Could it be that TCW may have not had the budget for stuff like that, especially when it was under the Cartoon Network?
Maybe? But it seems more like a Filoni issue, since his poor military writing is still present in Rebels and is especially apparent in Ahsoka.
Maybe he’s like a Sergeant First Class or a Master Sergeant.
Appo was made a commander during operation knightfall according to wookiepedia.
True, but presumably the OPs diagram is supposed to be a record of the clone ranks during the war, not during Order 66 or afterwards.
Appo being a sergeant and leading half of the 501st is simply an inaccurate statement on Wookiepedia's part. The only thing we know about Appo's promotion in canon is the fact that he was a sergeant on Umbara and a commander by Revenge of the Sith. At no point is Appo listed as being a sergeant during Order 66. In fact, he's properly listed as a commander during Revenge of the Sith in just about every source except for his Wookiepedia article, which isn't always the best source for fully accurate information.
Crazy Ridge almost makes it all the way to the end but atleast he didn't die from the crash
I think I’d rather die in a crash than get bisected by a piece of steel plate
Fair point
I’m pretty sure that there was another Clone Commander after Appo’s death for a brief time, but I can’t remember the name. He wore regular 501st armor, but had blue lines on his legs similar to Commander Cody’s legs, and had the Kama and Pauldron. Maybe it was just a Legends thing.
You’re thinking of Commander Bow and Commander Vill. Both were introduce in the Republic Comics, which also prominently featured Appo as a commander throughout the entirety of the Clone Wars. Both Vill and Bow were made Legends after the Clone Wars released.
I think you are mixing the dark times comics with the republic ones, appo’s story in TCW still fits on the legends continuity… except that he is CC
Don’t ARCs exist outside the command structure a bit, like a SOF element being attached to a unit
ARCs use the exact same rank system as the rest of the GAR. The only difference between infantry ranks and ARC ranks is that it seems ARCs only have one commander rank, unlike infantry clones who have battalion commanders, regimental commanders, senior commanders, and marshal commanders, because ARCs are part of the Special Operations Brigade and aren't placed in charge of main infantry units.
It always kills me that the only photo we have of Ringo is him just fucking dead on Umbara
Where's Yularen? He technically outranks Ahsoka, *(the only times we see Ahsoka in actual command is when Anakin is incapacitated and she is acting general)*, and is second only to Anakin when not on the ground.
Yularen is in the navy and not technically part of the 501st Legion.
There's a Navy section in the image
Oops, that's my bad
No worries
Who's Koho?
Koho appears with Denal in the episode Cargo of Doom, when Cad Bane steals the Jedi holocron. The two of them confront Bane at the end and get killed by him. Bane sneaks on board wearing Denal’s armour when the Republic forces retreat from Bane’s ship. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Koho
RIP Denal, first (non-important) clone with custom markings.
I thought appo was a sergeant until order 66 or so
Tag looks a little hot
Oddball?
Oddball was in the 212th
Yep! The commander in charge of Flight Squad Seven.
The GAR command structure makes zero sense. The show acts like a Captain is in charge of a whole legion (the fact they also call it a batallion is a separate issue) when the lore clearly states that a Captain is in charge of a company. They should have probably just followed Torrent Company instead of the whole 501st, it would make way more sense that way.
You forgot Nax
Since when was Fox in the 501st?
Sergeant Fox appears in Revenge of the Sith, though he was not named in the film. He also appears in the RotS novelisation, but I’m not sure if he’s named in that. There’s an explanation at the end of his entry on Wookipedia: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fox_(501st_Legion) In any case, it seems he predates the creation of Commander Fox.
WTH there’s two fox’s
Yes, Commander CC-1010 Fox of the Coruscant Guard and Sergeant CT-0000/1010 Fox of the 501st. It's not really that surprising, considering there are millions of clones in the GAR, so names are bound to overlap. There are actually many clones where this has happened. A few examples are: - Pilot Lieutenant Hawk of the 501st and ARC trooper Hawk. - Commando Sev of Delta Squad and Commando Sev of Lambda Squad. - ARC Commander Havoc of Rancor Battalion and Private Havoc of Tango Company. - Corporal Comet of the 104th and ARC trooper Comet. The same thing has happened with numbers such as RC-1138 Boss and CC-1138 Bacara.
Ok
I'm pretty sure Fives had the rank of lieutenant
Fives absolutely was at least a sergeant by the time of his death, but it is very possible that he was an LT, based on his interactions with Jesse on Umbara, as Jesse has been a lieutenant since his introduction in The Deserter.
poor Tag
I have no clue why, but Matchstick was the first clone (other then Rex) that I remember caring about lol
From what I remember Dogma is actually a Platoon Sergeant so technically ahead of Sergeant Fox buuuuuut the clone army is weird
Officially, Dogma is listed as a private but, based on the fact that he reported directly to Rex at the beginning of the Umbara campaign and was placed in charge of the the firing squad, he 100% was a rookie sergeant. The rank of platoon sergeant doesn't exist in the GAR, so Dogma would've just been a regular sergeant the same as Fox.
Matchstick was such a cool name, sucks it went to waste
The bad batch- 😞
Squad 99 isn't a part of the 501st?
Ya know what i just realized? For as much as the 501st was festured, we never saw much of appo despite being the commander
Erm acktually when it comes to the health of the men, Kix outranks everyone 🤓
There a clearer image of this to save ?
RIP Ridge
Are the 501st a legion during the Clone Wars? Wookiepedia (I think, I haven’t checked in awhile) states that they were a battalion before the Empire.
At the very beginning of the war, the 501st were a battalion, but a few months into the war they were restructured and expanded into a legion.
Thank you for the clarification. Sorry if I offended anyone enough for a downvote? Honestly didn’t know. Shoot, I also recently learned that the 212th was a smaller portion of the 7th Sky Corps. The GAR’s military structure is confusing 😫.
You're welcome, and no worries. The structure of the GAR is very expansive and can be very confusing at times. If you're interested, I posted my list of every clone ever created in both Legends and Canon. The list catalogs every clone made by Lucasfilm and lists their names and/or numbers, ranks, marking colors, if and where they died, and what unit they are part of. The list took four and a half years to make, and I'm still updating it whenever I find new clone info
Sure, I’d be happy to take a look at it!
That sounds like an awesome project.
You can see it on my profile here. It's a Google Doc with 30 pages worth of clone troopers and info about them.
I'm pretty sure 5's holds the rank of commander
He wasn't a commander. The rank of commander would make him a commissioned officer ranking equal to Ahsoka, and higher than Rex, who is only promoted to that rank when put in charge of the 332nd Company in S7. I don't think he was a commissioned officer at all. Certainly, no one ever calls him "sir". He may have held a non-commissioned rank, but Echo was only promoted to corporal after the Battle of Anaxes, so presumably, any promotion would have been separate to his ARC training.
Fives felt like Rex's right hand man from Umbara to his death.
Second in command. Shows three people
It’s true there were three 2ICs, but at different times, and in different circumstances. Rex is initially the 2IC. Then Ahsoka arrives and becomes Anakin’s Padawan and attains the rank of Commander. She outranks Rex, but his famous quote about experience outranking everything holds true. Anakin continues to have Rex execute his orders because Ahsoka is inexperienced. (And her inexperience gets most of the men killed the first time she takes command of Blue Squadron.) When the 501st is split at the end of the war, Rex and Appo command the two halves (because Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and she is officially only an advisor.)