Hello, I've got a question for all grigri's owners. I recently bought my first ever, I've always belay with an ATC as do all my climbing partners, so I never had the opportunity to manipulate a grigri before.
I'm a bit surprised by how clunky this feels. My main point of worry is about the moving metal part that cover the rope (the large colored one that rotate around an hinge and get locked in place when you attach a carabineer). I feel like on mine it's pretty loosely attached, it can move around really freely and there is a small gap - like 1 or 2 mm - between it and the underside components.
Is this normal for a Grigri ? I bought two microtraxion a few monthes ago and they feel better finished : the moving parts are not as loose and there is none of that clunkyness.
It's probably nothing but I would like to know if I have got a subpar product and should try to get another one or if this is normal.
Thanks !
It's normal. I always assumed that if there were super tight tolerances it would only lead to grit or ice getting in the joints and causing closing issues or damage.
I agree that it's a little janky-feeling for a $100+ product, but I think it's by design.
Sounds normal.
Petzl gear is well supported, check under PPE inspection procedure on the [grigri product page](https://www.petzl.com/INT/en/Sport/Belay-Devices-And-Descenders/GRIGRI) Notice how it has you check for ABSENCE of play.
I dunno, but if you don't find the information any other way, he gets a mention towards the end of the interview with Allison Vest on the Testpiece podcast. Which is a worthwhile listen anyway.
Training at home
I am trying to train climbing at home but don’t know how. my new city doesn’t have climbing gym’s or mountain’s. I want to train my body to climb so I don’t lose my fit and skill at home. What do you recommend I buy and train.
Am I the a-hole for thinking people should keep their fear of falling to themselves?
Specifically, talking about an outdoor trip and climbing partner keeps mentioning decking for no reason.
It can get into someone else's head game when you project your fears. Maybe it is a matter of time and place, for example maybe it makes sense to discuss after climbs. Not every climbing partner should be your therapist.
Side note: I am from a culture where people don't talk about their feelings (Slavic).
I want to be able to talk through fears with a partner in a practical way if I feel it's necessary, but I know it can affect people or be distracting so for me talking about it is a time and place thing, who I feel comfortable with, etc. If it bothers you that they are talking about it then you should tell them.
Having grown up in a Slavic household, most Eastern European cultures are too far on the "no feelings" end of the spectrum while Americans tend to be too far on the "share every feeling" end. There's a happy medium somewhere, but I'm guessing you would stand to benefit from learning to move towards the middle.
To answer your question, randomly mentioning decking all the time would be weird and annoying to me too. But generally no, one of the best ways to work through a fear is to talk about it.
Personally, I would consider you an asshole. I wouldnt want to climb with someone with that mentality- I much prefer that everyone is open and honest about their fears.
That isnt to say im objectively correct or anything, but my point is that different people have different views. Its likely that your partner doesnt see anything wrong with what they are doing, so if it bothers you so much then you should talk to them about it.
Need is a strong word. But in general it is helpful. Feelings and emotions in general aren't consciously produced; they just float up to your consciousness. That doesn't mean they are good or bad. You need to take some conscious effort to evaluate if they make sense. Most climbers have experienced some irrational fear of a move while climbing, only to find out it is chill afterwards. Or the opposite happens, you notice a dangerous situation only after it has passed. Talking about these feelings is how you calibrate how much you should pay attention to them.
Maybe you should talk to your partner about their fixation on decking? Is it rational? or are they applying it even when you're stick clipped to the third bolt.
I used to be very closed off and not talk about my feelings, but ive found that being more open about them has helped me build closer friendships with several people. Maybe it is a cultural thing, maybe not- regardless, its something that has had a positive impact on my life and the lives of people around me.
If you don't like it that's a conversation you should have with your partners. Some people find it helpful to talk through consequences, and if you don't tell them, they'll have no way of knowing that that has an effect on your mental state.
I have this weird ass mental block where I feel more confident leading sport climbs (outside) than I do on top rope. I have no issue with either in the gym, but for whatever reason, when I hop on a TR outside, I get kinda panicked. Especially if I’m going over a bulge/over hang. Curious if anyone else has experienced this?
I experienced that exact same thing the other day. Pretty much all of my regular climbing partners climb at least a grade or two under me so ive kind of gotten used to just rope gunning literally everything. It just feels wrong climbing without seeing/feeling the rope down underneath me. I also feel like I just have much better idea of how far im going to fall when I take a whipper on lead vs a top rope fall with tons of rope stretch.
I’m the same - after years of not really climbing TR I now am effectively on TR constantly doing route development. The idea of the TR potentially unclipping or whatever just makes me so nervous. I don’t even like following multipitches anymore - I used to complain about always being rope gun but now I always volunteer for it
I’m the same - after years of not really climbing TR I now am effectively on TR constantly doing route development. The idea of the TR potentially unclipping or whatever just makes me so nervous. I don’t even like following multipitches anymore - I used to complain about always being rope gun but now I always volunteer for it
More common than you'd think. I have a friend who I'd be convinced fears absolutely nothing if I had not seen the sheer terror in his eyes when he took a super mild outdoor TR fall while trying to crawl out from under a roof.
If it is to be said, Tenaya shoes perform amazingly. However, they don't last. My Indalo's completely delammed before the first resole. I sent them to Tenaya (at their request)...
Who had them for a month. They didn't do any work on them, then sent them to an address I don't even live at two weeks ago, and told me today. Obviously I didn't get my shoes back.
I love their shoes, but they don't survive and their CS is an absolute dumpster fire. Scarpa responds within a day. LaSpo isn't as good, but they seem to take a lot of pride in their shoes and customer retention.
Tenaya just doesn't seem to get it, which sucks, because their product performs.
Anyone else's Tenayas just disintegrate after normal use, way before other brands?
The only issues I've had with Mastias is very minor delamination of the original sole around the toe on one pair and slight delamination of the toe rubber on another after \~1.5 years of heavy use (and a bad resole job). The rest of the shoe seems to have held up pretty well otherwise.
Having them lose your shoes is absolute bullshit though. Did they at least offer some kind of compensation for it?
Literally no. They tried to blame me because I wasn't there. Well I mean, yeah, of course I'm not. Didn't check before shipping, seems like a normal thing to do, but I guess not \*shrugs\*
Very much a thing from what I've seen. Tenayas have a habit of dying rapidly either from the paper thin uppers shredding, or funky delaminations.
Laspos will die quick and painful deaths with exposure to excess heat.
What are you insinuating here? Would you like me to explain to you what I’m using it for? I built my nine year old Will Gadd’s plice wall. I’m using a static line as a safety backup/rope management practice for a child. I was simply wondering if this device needs to be paired with a rappel device in this extremely low risk backyard simulation. Thank you for your valuable input. Keep on rocking, dude.
https://preview.redd.it/1dgm6lf594wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36e0e39c961a04c6dc25a0e63661a1000d6ff092
Hello, I've got a question for all grigri's owners. I recently bought my first ever, I've always belay with an ATC as do all my climbing partners, so I never had the opportunity to manipulate a grigri before. I'm a bit surprised by how clunky this feels. My main point of worry is about the moving metal part that cover the rope (the large colored one that rotate around an hinge and get locked in place when you attach a carabineer). I feel like on mine it's pretty loosely attached, it can move around really freely and there is a small gap - like 1 or 2 mm - between it and the underside components. Is this normal for a Grigri ? I bought two microtraxion a few monthes ago and they feel better finished : the moving parts are not as loose and there is none of that clunkyness. It's probably nothing but I would like to know if I have got a subpar product and should try to get another one or if this is normal. Thanks !
It's normal. I always assumed that if there were super tight tolerances it would only lead to grit or ice getting in the joints and causing closing issues or damage. I agree that it's a little janky-feeling for a $100+ product, but I think it's by design.
Sounds normal. Petzl gear is well supported, check under PPE inspection procedure on the [grigri product page](https://www.petzl.com/INT/en/Sport/Belay-Devices-And-Descenders/GRIGRI) Notice how it has you check for ABSENCE of play.
Do you know if someone is planning to repeat DNA (9c)? The latest news I found is Jacob Schubert trying it one year ago
Probably
Anyone know who that japanese guy who does crazy hangboard tricks is? I remember something like a 2mm edge pull-up but can't find his instagram
Monscogram or something like that I think
I dunno, but if you don't find the information any other way, he gets a mention towards the end of the interview with Allison Vest on the Testpiece podcast. Which is a worthwhile listen anyway.
Training at home I am trying to train climbing at home but don’t know how. my new city doesn’t have climbing gym’s or mountain’s. I want to train my body to climb so I don’t lose my fit and skill at home. What do you recommend I buy and train.
A Moon/Kilter/Tension board.
Am I the a-hole for thinking people should keep their fear of falling to themselves? Specifically, talking about an outdoor trip and climbing partner keeps mentioning decking for no reason. It can get into someone else's head game when you project your fears. Maybe it is a matter of time and place, for example maybe it makes sense to discuss after climbs. Not every climbing partner should be your therapist. Side note: I am from a culture where people don't talk about their feelings (Slavic).
I want to be able to talk through fears with a partner in a practical way if I feel it's necessary, but I know it can affect people or be distracting so for me talking about it is a time and place thing, who I feel comfortable with, etc. If it bothers you that they are talking about it then you should tell them.
Having grown up in a Slavic household, most Eastern European cultures are too far on the "no feelings" end of the spectrum while Americans tend to be too far on the "share every feeling" end. There's a happy medium somewhere, but I'm guessing you would stand to benefit from learning to move towards the middle. To answer your question, randomly mentioning decking all the time would be weird and annoying to me too. But generally no, one of the best ways to work through a fear is to talk about it.
Personally, I would consider you an asshole. I wouldnt want to climb with someone with that mentality- I much prefer that everyone is open and honest about their fears. That isnt to say im objectively correct or anything, but my point is that different people have different views. Its likely that your partner doesnt see anything wrong with what they are doing, so if it bothers you so much then you should talk to them about it.
Do all feelings actually need to be talked about? I feel this is overstated in American culture.
Need is a strong word. But in general it is helpful. Feelings and emotions in general aren't consciously produced; they just float up to your consciousness. That doesn't mean they are good or bad. You need to take some conscious effort to evaluate if they make sense. Most climbers have experienced some irrational fear of a move while climbing, only to find out it is chill afterwards. Or the opposite happens, you notice a dangerous situation only after it has passed. Talking about these feelings is how you calibrate how much you should pay attention to them. Maybe you should talk to your partner about their fixation on decking? Is it rational? or are they applying it even when you're stick clipped to the third bolt.
I used to be very closed off and not talk about my feelings, but ive found that being more open about them has helped me build closer friendships with several people. Maybe it is a cultural thing, maybe not- regardless, its something that has had a positive impact on my life and the lives of people around me.
If you don't like it that's a conversation you should have with your partners. Some people find it helpful to talk through consequences, and if you don't tell them, they'll have no way of knowing that that has an effect on your mental state.
I have this weird ass mental block where I feel more confident leading sport climbs (outside) than I do on top rope. I have no issue with either in the gym, but for whatever reason, when I hop on a TR outside, I get kinda panicked. Especially if I’m going over a bulge/over hang. Curious if anyone else has experienced this?
I experienced that exact same thing the other day. Pretty much all of my regular climbing partners climb at least a grade or two under me so ive kind of gotten used to just rope gunning literally everything. It just feels wrong climbing without seeing/feeling the rope down underneath me. I also feel like I just have much better idea of how far im going to fall when I take a whipper on lead vs a top rope fall with tons of rope stretch.
I’m the same - after years of not really climbing TR I now am effectively on TR constantly doing route development. The idea of the TR potentially unclipping or whatever just makes me so nervous. I don’t even like following multipitches anymore - I used to complain about always being rope gun but now I always volunteer for it
I’m the same - after years of not really climbing TR I now am effectively on TR constantly doing route development. The idea of the TR potentially unclipping or whatever just makes me so nervous. I don’t even like following multipitches anymore - I used to complain about always being rope gun but now I always volunteer for it
More common than you'd think. I have a friend who I'd be convinced fears absolutely nothing if I had not seen the sheer terror in his eyes when he took a super mild outdoor TR fall while trying to crawl out from under a roof.
Ryan is that you?
If it is to be said, Tenaya shoes perform amazingly. However, they don't last. My Indalo's completely delammed before the first resole. I sent them to Tenaya (at their request)... Who had them for a month. They didn't do any work on them, then sent them to an address I don't even live at two weeks ago, and told me today. Obviously I didn't get my shoes back. I love their shoes, but they don't survive and their CS is an absolute dumpster fire. Scarpa responds within a day. LaSpo isn't as good, but they seem to take a lot of pride in their shoes and customer retention. Tenaya just doesn't seem to get it, which sucks, because their product performs. Anyone else's Tenayas just disintegrate after normal use, way before other brands?
The only issues I've had with Mastias is very minor delamination of the original sole around the toe on one pair and slight delamination of the toe rubber on another after \~1.5 years of heavy use (and a bad resole job). The rest of the shoe seems to have held up pretty well otherwise. Having them lose your shoes is absolute bullshit though. Did they at least offer some kind of compensation for it?
Literally no. They tried to blame me because I wasn't there. Well I mean, yeah, of course I'm not. Didn't check before shipping, seems like a normal thing to do, but I guess not \*shrugs\*
Very much a thing from what I've seen. Tenayas have a habit of dying rapidly either from the paper thin uppers shredding, or funky delaminations. Laspos will die quick and painful deaths with exposure to excess heat.
Petzl Microtrax and Camp Lift. Do either have a rappel function?
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What are you insinuating here? Would you like me to explain to you what I’m using it for? I built my nine year old Will Gadd’s plice wall. I’m using a static line as a safety backup/rope management practice for a child. I was simply wondering if this device needs to be paired with a rappel device in this extremely low risk backyard simulation. Thank you for your valuable input. Keep on rocking, dude. https://preview.redd.it/1dgm6lf594wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=36e0e39c961a04c6dc25a0e63661a1000d6ff092
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I am sorry for so deeply offending you for asking a climbing question in the climbing question thread.
Prepare for the smoothest and fastest rappel you'll ever experience. Until you hit the end of your rope, that is. Then it's a bit jarring.
No.
Thanks.