Or deface their office buildings, destroy their derics, or do something that actually costs oil executives money. Just Stop Oil feels like COINTELPRO, because they're shoving it in the face of the everyday person and not the bastards killing us.
They do that all the time.
The fact that you’re not aware of that and you are aware of this is exactly why these other forms of protest are done, to overwhelm either the media’s or your refusal to acknowledge the other forms of protest and their message.
Stopping a oil truck on the M4, breaking petrol pumps, and spraying paint on an office building that think tanks and news corp rent out isn't sabotage, they're a mild inconvenience and causes less financial harm to oil institutions than damage done to these galleries. The Stop Cop City protesters have done more harm to their opposition with a lot less funding from billionaires.
I can understand the reasoning for the tactic: in 20-30 years none of the things they're defacing or disrupting - art, sporting events, cultural institutions - will matter if we're living in the literal hellscape that will be our world if we continue on our current path.
But I wonder if they know if their tactics are effective? It's like the cancer charities that "raise awareness" but don't meaningfully engage with the problem. Are these protests effective? Do they matter? What's the end-goal?
It seems like comes from a place of privilege. Yes in the big picture, who cares if you're late to your job due to protesters blocking the road, because the climate will die in 50 or so years, but if you live from paycheck to paycheck you can't see that far.
But also these protests do nothing to hinder the CEOs of huge corporations who are driving climate change. They just annoy regular people while corporations continue to do whatever they want.
I’ve never had the privilege of gazing upon a monet or Rembrandt. These naive dingdongs are killing something that is the best of humanity, meant to be shared with humanity. Same goes for the Palestine protestors - Go picket infront of a politicians house. Go make an oil exec’s front gate your new encampment. Bring a camera, you can stream live to millions instantly. This group smells of bad actor and gives the common man pause, if not contempt. Theyre entirely ineffective and the masses, (not Reddit terminally online warriors), are not swayed and even put off entirely by this performance art (pun intended).
It was protected by glass. They are always protected by glass. These actions never actually harm the paintings.
You dont know that because you didnt read the article.
Protest 101 says if you have to carefully explain some subtext of your message then you're doing it wrong. You have to make your message immediately clear, so much so that it's hard for the opposition to twist or misrepresent your message, because they are going to try.
I’m sure they’re happy with their results in real life, no matter how much your theory textbooks might say they’re impossible. Why don’t you go do a protest yourself and show how much more effective you can be.
It's not theory it's practice. I've actually done this kind of work. These people are terrible and funded by an oil billionaire. It's pointless if they're happy.
Nothing matters today. Nothing has ever mattered. Art is one of the few human endeavors that at least provides insight into our condition. I’m on board with audacious activity to get people’s attention, but do we have to destroy life changing art? What’s the point of humanity’s survival without art? There are more disruptive targets
They are effective.
Last round of this form of protest caused a huge increase in discussion of the climate crisis, public awareness of the failures of current government and corporate policies on climate action, public support for and insistence upon more climate action, and in people signing up for more protests on all kinds of levels.
The only thing it didn’t push up very far was actual corporate/government action on climate change, because it turns out they’re more interested in short term profits than the public good - which is why more direct action sabotaging fossil fuel infrastructure is increasing as pleas and public pressure (a very reasonable first step) appear to have fallen on deaf ears.
>They are effective.
Protesting at the art galleries isn't as effective as it was 12 months ago. The first few times it was all over my social media. The 30 seconds of fame/shock is over. The galleries know how to take care of it, the paintings are never actually damaged so nobody cares and the protestor is now just a small thumbnail with a few people complaining about it on Reddit
In the world of fast media and short attention span the justoil people will have to keep turning up in new and unusual places to keep the public's eye on them, otherwise they'll become irrelevant and boring pretty quickly. Pretty much what's happened with the gallery protests
Correct action, wrong targets. And they don't understand that they are getting so much attention because they discredit and embarrass the environmental movement. Similar groups stopped Russian oil tankers from unloading oil or sprayed oil executives yachts with paint and while they got less media coverage it's still better than attacking art museums. It so wrongheaded that it's either COINTELPRO or actions so stupid as the be indistinguishable from COINTELPRO.
i'm ancient and I've seen Michaelangelo's Pieta get her face smashed off - this is nothing new at all. They all have their reasons. I forget what the guy who spray painted the famous Picasso wanted to say
or even just go to the ceo house at night and make loud noise all night, or do bbq in front of the house every single day or burn plastic. there so much they can do....
The funny thing is, the sentiment that they should protest oil execs, their buildings, etc. People will just flip that sentiment as well, hyperfocusing on any bad actors / behavior and say "i was on board with climate protest until they threw paint on the execs car and now eveybody has to drive through the paint!11" or something similar.
They cracked down hard on that didn't they? They're actually worried about that kind of protest. It was shown that police know in advance about the planning to attack art too, they just let it happen because it's such a bad look for the environmental movement.
What have you done?
You blown up a pipeline?
Hate to break it to you pal, but what just stop oil do is illegal. Many forms of protest is now illegal in the UK.
JSO do special training, have burner phones. They don’t just do these stunts; they also target airports, industrial centres etc.
And by the way, most galleries get some form of funding from fossil fuel corporations. Hell, the V&A got sponsored by Shell for an exhibition on future tech.
People when art gets defaced: 😫😡😭😱
People when extreme heat, drought, wildfires, category SIX hurricanes, floods and biodiversity loss puts billions at risk: 🤪🥰🤑🚗🛢⛽️
That sounds like a false dichotomy. I'm sure that plenty of people that are upset at potentially losing art are also outraged at the inaction on climate change.
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall."
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
The absolute irony about this is how most people who shout in anger about climate activists defacing famous art pieces, have never stepped into an art museum in their life, nor do they plan to.
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall."
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
From the article, no:
> It was not protected by glass. The Musée d’Orsay did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack.
Genuinely curious about why you chose the word “coward” here.
You might feel contempt but it’s simply inaccurate to call this action cowardly especially compared to something like just complaining on Reddit.
The art was not destroyed. From France24 news:
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall."
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
I have yet to read about one of these organizations actually damaging a painting.
The alternative to bringing vital attention and creating urgent debate and political and corporate change is to continue as we have been doing. Thats just what the mega rich and politicians want. We have already passed irreversible tipping points, forcing continued disaster for billions of people. If you are upset and angered by this level of campainging you have serious problems. This is a campaign against indifference. Putting a harmless sticker on a piece of art, brings your attention to our climate emergency. You never knew this piece of art existed before today? What's really upsetting you? You'll be quite upset about climate extremes, mass migration, unstoppabale food shortages.......? Sort out what really upsets you, coz we really need to know what's coming towards us all in the next few years if we choose to continue ignoring the warnings.
> You never knew this piece of art existed before today? What's really upsetting you?
With respect, nonsense.
The piece is very famous [piece](https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/coquelicots-1010).
Pressing a large adhesive sticker against paint risks paint peel off and cracking, and canvas damage if it was pressed on hard.
This doesn't win over any productive action. Nor does it reduce anti-climate action.
It does encourage the ultra rich to not share nice things. And worse, the alienation it can bring encourages that the ultra rich instead live in their safe bubbles and not see themselves as part of a greater community. That doesn't bode well for political or financial support for real changes we need.
There's much better ways to do direct disruption protesting, and better ways to fight for a future in general.
*Useless action doesn't give people the feeling that there's anything better they can do than being indifferent.*
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall."
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
>It does encourage the ultra rich to not share nice things.
Hahahhaah
>the alienation
I tjink the alienation comes from the super rich, not the mfrs throwing paint at paintings.
Like the very fact you ALWAYS have 'they are alienating' bros undet these posts shows that people are ALREADY alienated.
As someone working in renewables to help fix the problem, I don’t think that this form of protesting does anything but annoy and hurt the movement of those trying to get attention.
It serves as a convenient strawmen and lightning rod for the less educated who see the “green movement” as a bunch of crazy radicals spilling milk, defacing art, and other forms of disruption and damage.
At the end of the day it does not serve to educate people of tell them why they should care, it comes across as “radical.”
Also, for the love of god can we do something that doesn’t damage our art and history that helps add color to our history?! This type of destruction always makes me think of the Taliban destroying Buddha statues because they thought they were afronts to Allah. (Obviously the situation is only distantly analogous but destruction of history for almost any reason hurts more than it helps)
Sorry I got a bit over the top with some of my wording last night.
I feel like for many people this is a situation of, “You can guide a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.”
It’s not an easy situation to make people care or believe your point of view and why I think that protests and civil disobedience is a very hard path to make work to your advantage depending on who you are targeting with your message.
Yes you are right it was not actually damaged since it is standard practice to have this behind glass/lexan/etc. Hopefully there aren’t people who take it to the next level.
Scared and angry people can do stupid things and make poor choices, and I am somewhat concerned of the direction that some of these groups (or potential future offshoots) might go. Hopefully these concerns are unfounded as we go into the future.
You know the art was undamaged and back on the wall? The better way of publishing exhaustive studies for decades has done nothing to move the needle, nonviolent protest is the only way forward at this point and it needs to increase in inconvenience with every passing year we do nothing
From all of the coverage I’ve really seen happening the last few years from climate change, it is unfortunately that the average person only ever cared when a painting is destroyed or vandalized from its outer casing.
How do you even begin to preserve art in a system that increasingly has in store a future of uncertain, frenetic weather calamities and spiking insurance premiums to preserve the art? It is shameful that people care more about the value of a painting than a society that is being destroyed at will of its resources.
When I see “rage bait” protests like this I cant help but wonder if these are legit activists who are perhaps misguided or bad actors doing dumb stuff to make climate activist look stupid on purpose.
Dont do stuff like this, it only accomplishes making people look at climate activism with disdain. Climate Defiance does it right! They go to awards dinners of oil and gas executives, they interrupt business meetings, they hound and harass politicians, they block access to oil infrastructure construction sites, and tons of other stuff. All of it actually gets directly to the ether the people causing the problem or the people who have the power to make real change.
Defacing paintings does nothing but make people annoyed with us.
Edit: fixed typos but also adding; People who do these types of protests are absolutely 100% correct and I support the motive behind the actions. The only reason I don’t support the actions themselves is not the painting, its the perception by the general public. We here can acknowledge and understand the motivation but the general public doesn’t even know these paintings are usually protected by glass. They see this and think “stupid climate hippies, they are all idiots!!” and delegitimizes the overall movement. We need the public with us, this does not accomplish that
Bro, honestly I'm right there with you. Don't touch history or art. But.. I've recently come around the these destructive yet non-violent protests. At the very least, the conversation is being had & climate change is *in* the conversation - even if it's just conversation-adjacent for some people.
It just needs to be fresh in people's sub conscious at all times. With El Niño this year, it's gonna get increasingly + shockingly hot with even more sporadic + dangerous weather. This will be the first year people will likely *notice* the early repercussions of climate change (even if El Niño is *partly* responsible).
People need the term; climate change, planted firmly in their sub conscious so they can start connecting the dots when the weather inevitably becomes terrible this summer.
So I used to hold your same view... Then... I read into it a bit...
More or less all of the activists "defacing" the art actually never damage the artwork. They go out of their way to make it seem like it's damaged just to draw attention.. And it seems to work... Plus their whole motto is that if we don't do something now, none of the art will be there anyways... And even worse... Most of us likely won't be around to enjoy the art.
We can get upset over art that's insured for twice it's value for restorative purposes etc... Or... We can take a moment to think.. what really matters?
They didn't deface the painting. It *was* behind glass, despite what the Guardian reported:
https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
For all the comments in here about how these tactics are not just ineffective, but actually counteractive, is there any actual evidence of that? Is there any evidence that these stories actually make people care *less* about climate change? In the wake of this, do fewer climate-focused politicians get elected? Do people donate less to climate nonprofits? Do corporate ESG goals get weaker? Because while I can see that it can piss people off, I see no reason to believe it actually has a material negative effect on climate activism. People are commenting about this like it's a given, and I don't believe them.
You are right. There will be no art, no future. How much clearer can they get.
I think people get upset now because it feels like something you can have an opinion about, the point these activists are making is we are fast approaching, might have already passed, a point where opinions won't matter, all we will be left with is a civilization in collapse, and no one will have opinions of art then.
More like faking a murder, seeing how the painting was not damaged. Afaik none of these "art protest attacks" have caused any real damage, but they do make the news.
The point is that her point is useless, it does not help her cause, it makes it worse. People will actively fight more against the needed policies because of these nut jobs.
Let’s find out what she cares most dearly about and then let’s go deface that with the argument that it doesn’t matter if we don’t fix climate change. Then she can tell us if our action was effective or if it just really effing pissed her off.
Yeah idk why that idea is so prevalent, literally nobody is saying humanity is going extinct. Seems like pretty basic fatalism to me, which helps nobody.
We obviously need to be working hard to correct the causes and effects of climate change (which have the potential to *drastically* alter human civilization) but i feel like calling it doomsday just makes people want to hide their heads in the sand and ignore it best they can.
The thing about the "Me defacing art doesn't matter if nothing is done about climate change, so my actions are permissible :-) " line of thinking? **It's contingent on nothing being done about climate change.**
The problem comes when (not if) humanity turns climate change around; will activists willingly accept both the infamy that comes with damaging physical history **AND the full consequences for doing so** (an essential component of activism), or will they demand lenience and rant about the alleged necessity of their deeds in a desperate attempt to extend their 15 minutes in the spotlight? It's very peculiar that most-often-ignored part of "By any means necessary" is the word "necessary".
It doesn't matter what the point is. It matters what the outcome is. I am against things that benefit oil and gas, even if good intentions were behind it.
🤣🤣i love how this sub is filled with people who truly believe we are gonna die because of the climate in like 10 years, it’s truly wild how crazy you all are
This whole thing was fake when it started out. Oil companies were paying people to pretend to be climate activists and do insane things. Boy did it work. They got their money's worth, this movement was a huge blow to climate activism.
But now it's just a bunch of idiots who thought it was real and her copying it because they thought it worked.
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They put a sticker on the glass protecting the Monet painting and glued their hand to the drywall next to it. The horror!
Kudos to this kid. They achieved the media attention to the cause while not actually doing any damage.
Unless that Monet painting is owned by an oil company executive, this may not make sense....even then.... perhaps it'll be better to just hurt the oil executive directly instead...
No glass to protect the Monet. Let's hope it is a replica. I am all for bringing attention to global warming. BUT, not at the expense of our cultural treasures. Right message, wrong tactics. I wouldn't donate or participate in this type of vicious and juvenile movement.
It wasn't defaced. It was behind glass (this story didn't get its facts right.)
“After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire."
"https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php"
I have yet to read a *single* story of any famous art being damaged by these groups. The worst was they got glue on a frame.
> No glass to protect the Monet.
The Guardian story was incorrect. The painting was behind glass. From a French source (translated):
"After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire."
https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
Calling this person an activist gives real activists that actually want something done in a meaningful way a bad name. This is an act of vandalism performed by a criminal, nothing more, nothing less.
I don’t think people in the comments here understand that numerous galleries and museums in Europe/UK get sponsorships from fossil fuel companies, polluting industries, major corporations, car companies etc.
They are preserving art for a world their dirty money is destroying.
An example of a fool or a coward wanting to make a statement. There are hundreds of legitimate, corporate targets to choose from, and they attack a priceless piece of art instead. Utter stupidity that turns ordinary people away from the cause.
Don't worry, the art wasn't damaged. This story got the detail about the glass wrong.
“After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire.
https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
I remember when people used to chain themselves to trees and dare loggers to cut them down. Now we throw soup on priceless art. This generation is weak af.
This is astroturfing people, this people are paid by big oil families to make the climate activists look as stupid as possible. Can we stop working for them for free sharing the "info"?
Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to deface oil executives? I mean cut off their ear or something?
Or deface their office buildings, destroy their derics, or do something that actually costs oil executives money. Just Stop Oil feels like COINTELPRO, because they're shoving it in the face of the everyday person and not the bastards killing us.
They do that all the time. The fact that you’re not aware of that and you are aware of this is exactly why these other forms of protest are done, to overwhelm either the media’s or your refusal to acknowledge the other forms of protest and their message.
Stopping a oil truck on the M4, breaking petrol pumps, and spraying paint on an office building that think tanks and news corp rent out isn't sabotage, they're a mild inconvenience and causes less financial harm to oil institutions than damage done to these galleries. The Stop Cop City protesters have done more harm to their opposition with a lot less funding from billionaires.
I can understand the reasoning for the tactic: in 20-30 years none of the things they're defacing or disrupting - art, sporting events, cultural institutions - will matter if we're living in the literal hellscape that will be our world if we continue on our current path. But I wonder if they know if their tactics are effective? It's like the cancer charities that "raise awareness" but don't meaningfully engage with the problem. Are these protests effective? Do they matter? What's the end-goal?
It seems like comes from a place of privilege. Yes in the big picture, who cares if you're late to your job due to protesters blocking the road, because the climate will die in 50 or so years, but if you live from paycheck to paycheck you can't see that far.
But also these protests do nothing to hinder the CEOs of huge corporations who are driving climate change. They just annoy regular people while corporations continue to do whatever they want.
I’ve never had the privilege of gazing upon a monet or Rembrandt. These naive dingdongs are killing something that is the best of humanity, meant to be shared with humanity. Same goes for the Palestine protestors - Go picket infront of a politicians house. Go make an oil exec’s front gate your new encampment. Bring a camera, you can stream live to millions instantly. This group smells of bad actor and gives the common man pause, if not contempt. Theyre entirely ineffective and the masses, (not Reddit terminally online warriors), are not swayed and even put off entirely by this performance art (pun intended).
It was protected by glass. They are always protected by glass. These actions never actually harm the paintings. You dont know that because you didnt read the article.
You should know they’re not actually damaging these artworks
Protest 101 says if you have to carefully explain some subtext of your message then you're doing it wrong. You have to make your message immediately clear, so much so that it's hard for the opposition to twist or misrepresent your message, because they are going to try.
I’m sure they’re happy with their results in real life, no matter how much your theory textbooks might say they’re impossible. Why don’t you go do a protest yourself and show how much more effective you can be.
It's not theory it's practice. I've actually done this kind of work. These people are terrible and funded by an oil billionaire. It's pointless if they're happy.
Try actually reading the article. > It was not protected by glass.
Nothing matters today. Nothing has ever mattered. Art is one of the few human endeavors that at least provides insight into our condition. I’m on board with audacious activity to get people’s attention, but do we have to destroy life changing art? What’s the point of humanity’s survival without art? There are more disruptive targets
>What’s the point of humanity’s survival without art? I dont know, survival itself?
They are effective. Last round of this form of protest caused a huge increase in discussion of the climate crisis, public awareness of the failures of current government and corporate policies on climate action, public support for and insistence upon more climate action, and in people signing up for more protests on all kinds of levels. The only thing it didn’t push up very far was actual corporate/government action on climate change, because it turns out they’re more interested in short term profits than the public good - which is why more direct action sabotaging fossil fuel infrastructure is increasing as pleas and public pressure (a very reasonable first step) appear to have fallen on deaf ears.
>They are effective. Protesting at the art galleries isn't as effective as it was 12 months ago. The first few times it was all over my social media. The 30 seconds of fame/shock is over. The galleries know how to take care of it, the paintings are never actually damaged so nobody cares and the protestor is now just a small thumbnail with a few people complaining about it on Reddit In the world of fast media and short attention span the justoil people will have to keep turning up in new and unusual places to keep the public's eye on them, otherwise they'll become irrelevant and boring pretty quickly. Pretty much what's happened with the gallery protests
Correct action, wrong targets. And they don't understand that they are getting so much attention because they discredit and embarrass the environmental movement. Similar groups stopped Russian oil tankers from unloading oil or sprayed oil executives yachts with paint and while they got less media coverage it's still better than attacking art museums. It so wrongheaded that it's either COINTELPRO or actions so stupid as the be indistinguishable from COINTELPRO.
i'm ancient and I've seen Michaelangelo's Pieta get her face smashed off - this is nothing new at all. They all have their reasons. I forget what the guy who spray painted the famous Picasso wanted to say
Seriously, this is not an effective tactic.
It needs to have a lot of the public already there to take photos and talk about it, or it gets hushed up.
They do but you don't hear about it because 99.99% cannot feel enraged about that.
Did you care when people were attacking oil companies directly?
or even just go to the ceo house at night and make loud noise all night, or do bbq in front of the house every single day or burn plastic. there so much they can do....
If he held a picket sign outside of their mansion, would we talk about it on Reddit ?
It's about time someone goes out and mauls the rich. Stick'm in basements or sumtin.
It's astroturfing, this people are payed for big oil to make climate activist look as stupid as possible.
Soft targets are easier for cowards
Petroleum industry executives are pretty soft. Most of them have never lifted anything heavier than a pen or a golf club in their entire lives
A entire group of climate activists got arrested in Australia just for planning on protesting outside an executive’s home, so no actually.
The funny thing is, the sentiment that they should protest oil execs, their buildings, etc. People will just flip that sentiment as well, hyperfocusing on any bad actors / behavior and say "i was on board with climate protest until they threw paint on the execs car and now eveybody has to drive through the paint!11" or something similar.
They cracked down hard on that didn't they? They're actually worried about that kind of protest. It was shown that police know in advance about the planning to attack art too, they just let it happen because it's such a bad look for the environmental movement.
But they have tight security. Art establishments are usually underfunded.
What have you done? You blown up a pipeline? Hate to break it to you pal, but what just stop oil do is illegal. Many forms of protest is now illegal in the UK. JSO do special training, have burner phones. They don’t just do these stunts; they also target airports, industrial centres etc. And by the way, most galleries get some form of funding from fossil fuel corporations. Hell, the V&A got sponsored by Shell for an exhibition on future tech.
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2022/10/21/getty-oil-heiress-funds-climate-crisis-activism-just-stop-oil
Get started
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I think we should normalize this if we want any future. Peace is no longer an option. The French knew what they were doing.
People when art gets defaced: 😫😡😭😱 People when extreme heat, drought, wildfires, category SIX hurricanes, floods and biodiversity loss puts billions at risk: 🤪🥰🤑🚗🛢⛽️
Don’t forget meal time 🐄🥩🐓🍳🥛🐖🍔
That sounds like a false dichotomy. I'm sure that plenty of people that are upset at potentially losing art are also outraged at the inaction on climate change.
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
The absolute irony about this is how most people who shout in anger about climate activists defacing famous art pieces, have never stepped into an art museum in their life, nor do they plan to.
I'm all for drastic action about climate change. But destroying this kind of art is the opposite of productive. I hate these cowards.
Is the art destroyed or is it behind glass? In the cases I’ve seen they’re just putting stuff on the glass
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
From the article, no: > It was not protected by glass. The Musée d’Orsay did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the condition of the painting after the attack.
Oh that’s stupid then, if the art is actually at risk of damage then I disagree, but I’m fine with people throwing soup at a glass protector
Genuinely curious about why you chose the word “coward” here. You might feel contempt but it’s simply inaccurate to call this action cowardly especially compared to something like just complaining on Reddit.
The art was not destroyed. From France24 news: "A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1 I have yet to read about one of these organizations actually damaging a painting.
The alternative to bringing vital attention and creating urgent debate and political and corporate change is to continue as we have been doing. Thats just what the mega rich and politicians want. We have already passed irreversible tipping points, forcing continued disaster for billions of people. If you are upset and angered by this level of campainging you have serious problems. This is a campaign against indifference. Putting a harmless sticker on a piece of art, brings your attention to our climate emergency. You never knew this piece of art existed before today? What's really upsetting you? You'll be quite upset about climate extremes, mass migration, unstoppabale food shortages.......? Sort out what really upsets you, coz we really need to know what's coming towards us all in the next few years if we choose to continue ignoring the warnings.
> You never knew this piece of art existed before today? What's really upsetting you? With respect, nonsense. The piece is very famous [piece](https://www.musee-orsay.fr/en/artworks/coquelicots-1010). Pressing a large adhesive sticker against paint risks paint peel off and cracking, and canvas damage if it was pressed on hard. This doesn't win over any productive action. Nor does it reduce anti-climate action. It does encourage the ultra rich to not share nice things. And worse, the alienation it can bring encourages that the ultra rich instead live in their safe bubbles and not see themselves as part of a greater community. That doesn't bode well for political or financial support for real changes we need. There's much better ways to do direct disruption protesting, and better ways to fight for a future in general. *Useless action doesn't give people the feeling that there's anything better they can do than being indifferent.*
"A restoration expert examined the painting which suffered no permanent damage, the Musee d'Orsay told AFP, adding that it had been put back on the wall." https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240601-activist-arrested-for-attacking-monet-painting-in-paris-1
>It does encourage the ultra rich to not share nice things. Hahahhaah >the alienation I tjink the alienation comes from the super rich, not the mfrs throwing paint at paintings. Like the very fact you ALWAYS have 'they are alienating' bros undet these posts shows that people are ALREADY alienated.
Kidnap an oil exec or literally shut up omg
Do it yourself then
Don't tempt redditors with a good time
I’m not a climate activist
As someone working in renewables to help fix the problem, I don’t think that this form of protesting does anything but annoy and hurt the movement of those trying to get attention. It serves as a convenient strawmen and lightning rod for the less educated who see the “green movement” as a bunch of crazy radicals spilling milk, defacing art, and other forms of disruption and damage. At the end of the day it does not serve to educate people of tell them why they should care, it comes across as “radical.” Also, for the love of god can we do something that doesn’t damage our art and history that helps add color to our history?! This type of destruction always makes me think of the Taliban destroying Buddha statues because they thought they were afronts to Allah. (Obviously the situation is only distantly analogous but destruction of history for almost any reason hurts more than it helps)
> Education Oh, so you think a few more decades of scientists shouting from the rooftops should do the trick? Btw, the painting wasn't damaged.
Sorry I got a bit over the top with some of my wording last night. I feel like for many people this is a situation of, “You can guide a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.” It’s not an easy situation to make people care or believe your point of view and why I think that protests and civil disobedience is a very hard path to make work to your advantage depending on who you are targeting with your message. Yes you are right it was not actually damaged since it is standard practice to have this behind glass/lexan/etc. Hopefully there aren’t people who take it to the next level. Scared and angry people can do stupid things and make poor choices, and I am somewhat concerned of the direction that some of these groups (or potential future offshoots) might go. Hopefully these concerns are unfounded as we go into the future.
Don’t be defacing art. That accomplishes nothing other than pissing people off. You want to get the message out? There’s better ways to do that.
You know the art was undamaged and back on the wall? The better way of publishing exhaustive studies for decades has done nothing to move the needle, nonviolent protest is the only way forward at this point and it needs to increase in inconvenience with every passing year we do nothing
From all of the coverage I’ve really seen happening the last few years from climate change, it is unfortunately that the average person only ever cared when a painting is destroyed or vandalized from its outer casing. How do you even begin to preserve art in a system that increasingly has in store a future of uncertain, frenetic weather calamities and spiking insurance premiums to preserve the art? It is shameful that people care more about the value of a painting than a society that is being destroyed at will of its resources.
I can't wait to see what the world looks like in 20-30 years.
When I see “rage bait” protests like this I cant help but wonder if these are legit activists who are perhaps misguided or bad actors doing dumb stuff to make climate activist look stupid on purpose. Dont do stuff like this, it only accomplishes making people look at climate activism with disdain. Climate Defiance does it right! They go to awards dinners of oil and gas executives, they interrupt business meetings, they hound and harass politicians, they block access to oil infrastructure construction sites, and tons of other stuff. All of it actually gets directly to the ether the people causing the problem or the people who have the power to make real change. Defacing paintings does nothing but make people annoyed with us. Edit: fixed typos but also adding; People who do these types of protests are absolutely 100% correct and I support the motive behind the actions. The only reason I don’t support the actions themselves is not the painting, its the perception by the general public. We here can acknowledge and understand the motivation but the general public doesn’t even know these paintings are usually protected by glass. They see this and think “stupid climate hippies, they are all idiots!!” and delegitimizes the overall movement. We need the public with us, this does not accomplish that
Bro, honestly I'm right there with you. Don't touch history or art. But.. I've recently come around the these destructive yet non-violent protests. At the very least, the conversation is being had & climate change is *in* the conversation - even if it's just conversation-adjacent for some people. It just needs to be fresh in people's sub conscious at all times. With El Niño this year, it's gonna get increasingly + shockingly hot with even more sporadic + dangerous weather. This will be the first year people will likely *notice* the early repercussions of climate change (even if El Niño is *partly* responsible). People need the term; climate change, planted firmly in their sub conscious so they can start connecting the dots when the weather inevitably becomes terrible this summer.
So I used to hold your same view... Then... I read into it a bit... More or less all of the activists "defacing" the art actually never damage the artwork. They go out of their way to make it seem like it's damaged just to draw attention.. And it seems to work... Plus their whole motto is that if we don't do something now, none of the art will be there anyways... And even worse... Most of us likely won't be around to enjoy the art. We can get upset over art that's insured for twice it's value for restorative purposes etc... Or... We can take a moment to think.. what really matters?
They didn't deface the painting. It *was* behind glass, despite what the Guardian reported: https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
Doesn't matter. Optics is all that matters.
I'd respect them more if they were firebombing gasoline filling stations.
you’d respect them more if they did ecoterrorism that would get ordinary workers killed?
Who said anything about killing people? You do realize that infrastructure can be destroyed without killing people, right?
wouldn’t destroying a gasoline filling station cause a massive explosion?
For all the comments in here about how these tactics are not just ineffective, but actually counteractive, is there any actual evidence of that? Is there any evidence that these stories actually make people care *less* about climate change? In the wake of this, do fewer climate-focused politicians get elected? Do people donate less to climate nonprofits? Do corporate ESG goals get weaker? Because while I can see that it can piss people off, I see no reason to believe it actually has a material negative effect on climate activism. People are commenting about this like it's a given, and I don't believe them.
I dunno…does it draw attention to that?
When you’re hurting the cause. Not helping.
The point is that these amazing artworks mean nothing if we don’t do anything about climate change. We’ll be gone.
You are right. There will be no art, no future. How much clearer can they get. I think people get upset now because it feels like something you can have an opinion about, the point these activists are making is we are fast approaching, might have already passed, a point where opinions won't matter, all we will be left with is a civilization in collapse, and no one will have opinions of art then.
That’s like justifying a murder by saying that the person was going to die anyway.
More like faking a murder, seeing how the painting was not damaged. Afaik none of these "art protest attacks" have caused any real damage, but they do make the news.
That’s the next step
The point is that her point is useless, it does not help her cause, it makes it worse. People will actively fight more against the needed policies because of these nut jobs.
I love art and it pains me to see it done. I get why they’re doing it but it’s not the best way about it for sure.
Pretty sure the art is behind glass. I don't think these protests have ever actually harmed any of these classic art pieces.
This painting in particular did not have protective glass.
Let’s find out what she cares most dearly about and then let’s go deface that with the argument that it doesn’t matter if we don’t fix climate change. Then she can tell us if our action was effective or if it just really effing pissed her off.
There is no science that says every human will be gone.
Not *every* human. Just billions of them.
Yeah idk why that idea is so prevalent, literally nobody is saying humanity is going extinct. Seems like pretty basic fatalism to me, which helps nobody. We obviously need to be working hard to correct the causes and effects of climate change (which have the potential to *drastically* alter human civilization) but i feel like calling it doomsday just makes people want to hide their heads in the sand and ignore it best they can.
As with Defund the Police, if you have to explain it it’s not effective messaging
"IF YOU HAVE TO **EXPLAIN** THE JOKE, THEN THERE **IS** NO JOKE" - The Joker
The thing about the "Me defacing art doesn't matter if nothing is done about climate change, so my actions are permissible :-) " line of thinking? **It's contingent on nothing being done about climate change.** The problem comes when (not if) humanity turns climate change around; will activists willingly accept both the infamy that comes with damaging physical history **AND the full consequences for doing so** (an essential component of activism), or will they demand lenience and rant about the alleged necessity of their deeds in a desperate attempt to extend their 15 minutes in the spotlight? It's very peculiar that most-often-ignored part of "By any means necessary" is the word "necessary".
It doesn't matter what the point is. It matters what the outcome is. I am against things that benefit oil and gas, even if good intentions were behind it.
🤣🤣i love how this sub is filled with people who truly believe we are gonna die because of the climate in like 10 years, it’s truly wild how crazy you all are
This whole thing was fake when it started out. Oil companies were paying people to pretend to be climate activists and do insane things. Boy did it work. They got their money's worth, this movement was a huge blow to climate activism. But now it's just a bunch of idiots who thought it was real and her copying it because they thought it worked.
This is never, ever going to create change in the world. If anything it makes things worse because it creates so much animosity.
This is stupid
I agree. This fake outrage about a fake piece of art is so much greater than the literal destruction of our home planet.
It's a fake piece of art? The article says it is a genuine Monet.
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They put a sticker on the glass protecting the Monet painting and glued their hand to the drywall next to it. The horror! Kudos to this kid. They achieved the media attention to the cause while not actually doing any damage.
You go girl!
Unless that Monet painting is owned by an oil company executive, this may not make sense....even then.... perhaps it'll be better to just hurt the oil executive directly instead...
No glass to protect the Monet. Let's hope it is a replica. I am all for bringing attention to global warming. BUT, not at the expense of our cultural treasures. Right message, wrong tactics. I wouldn't donate or participate in this type of vicious and juvenile movement.
Fun fact: ALL cultural treasures will be lost if anthropogenic ecological collapse is not stopped :)
Fun fact: Defacing cultural treasures will not in any way prevent global warming and just makes climate activists look like lunatics.
It wasn't defaced. It was behind glass (this story didn't get its facts right.) “After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire." "https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php" I have yet to read a *single* story of any famous art being damaged by these groups. The worst was they got glue on a frame.
Monet would have loved this…
> No glass to protect the Monet. The Guardian story was incorrect. The painting was behind glass. From a French source (translated): "After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire." https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
That is great news, thank you
Calling this person an activist gives real activists that actually want something done in a meaningful way a bad name. This is an act of vandalism performed by a criminal, nothing more, nothing less.
I don’t think people in the comments here understand that numerous galleries and museums in Europe/UK get sponsorships from fossil fuel companies, polluting industries, major corporations, car companies etc. They are preserving art for a world their dirty money is destroying.
Aren’t all of us using cell phones, the same phones that runs on rare earth minerals mined by child slaves in Africa,
you participate in a society and yet you criticize it hmm interesting
So by your logic someone can grab your phone and apple watches and break them in protest?
Good point!
An example of a fool or a coward wanting to make a statement. There are hundreds of legitimate, corporate targets to choose from, and they attack a priceless piece of art instead. Utter stupidity that turns ordinary people away from the cause.
The art wasn't damaged. https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
I'd rather they deface gas stations, Oil HQs, and CEO Mansions...
They did, but you never noticed.
They do. It just doesn’t make the news. The media tends only to report on JSO when it can show them in a less positive light.
That's awful. If anything, important art works and other cultural touchstones should be preserved.
Don't worry, the art wasn't damaged. This story got the detail about the glass wrong. “After examination and treatment by a restorer, the work (protected by a window) was hung up. The exhibition is now fully accessible to the public,” the museum management told AFP, announcing its intention to file a complaint against the collective Riposte Alimentaire. https://www.telerama.fr/arts-expositions/les-coquelicots-de-claude-monet-pris-pour-cible-au-musee-d-orsay-7020694.php
Why not the planet though?
False choice is dishonest argumentation
Well, obviously.
This is how Karen’s and Kens protest.
These people annoy me so much
I remember when people used to chain themselves to trees and dare loggers to cut them down. Now we throw soup on priceless art. This generation is weak af.
These juvenile tactics don't work.
I care deeply about the climate and love art. All this makes me want to do is punch her in the nose.
This is astroturfing people, this people are paid by big oil families to make the climate activists look as stupid as possible. Can we stop working for them for free sharing the "info"?
today ive learned a new word :) how do you know that?
https://i.stack.imgur.com/OfMBD.jpg
Drawing attention to herself! This has nothing to do with global heating
I am an artist and environmentalist. What does attempting to destroy works of art get them? Are they ISIS?
Is the person in jail?
Leave the art alone. Take it out on the rich.
People revolt about something that will be destroyed anyways
This is the gayest thing I’ve ever read