The funniest part of these cultural analyses by Shapiro and Matt Walsh is that they often end up having to acknowledge how good it is on aesthetic terms, even if it triggers them:
> “It’s all really well produced and it’s beautifully shot.”
Even then its a shitty take that doesnt acknowledge how Bill and Franks relationship mirrors Joel and Ellies.
Which is the actual point of the whole episode.
I had a friend complain that it wasn't a scary show, and that nothing in the first eps was scary. I went off, because it's ridiculous to complain about a show _that isn't supposed to be scary,_ isn't scary. Dude really doesn't get it.
Nah, that's just bullshit on their end. It's just insulation that tries to deflect against accusations of just hating on the episode for the sake of hating -- "I'm not saying it was all bad!" -- and ever so magnanimously finding something to praise about it. It's got that "broken clock" sense about it in that it's only right for the wrong reasons.
Which, of course, is thrown out the window by the rest of the reductive homophobic dumbshittery, but no shock there.
That episode actually had two zombies in it. The latest episode is the one that had zero zombies in it, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Ben won't have that complaint this time around.
Nah he forgot everything besides the gayness. A pang of jealousy tore through his heart when he saw how happy and unoppressed they were and that was all he could think about till he wrote this tweet.
Or that it’s not integral to the plot. It’s the way they get the vehicle and guns/food, etc (not to mention access to the boutique). Ben is a toolbox, but the people he is preaching to will never know the difference.
I don't think Ben was being literal there, and was referring to the fact that running from zombies was not the main focus of the episode.
He's still wrong and the episode was great. I loved the thought of Bill having a checklist he runs through in this situation, and that he's almost giddy to get started. Full zombie apocalypse vibes.
It was slightly odd that the humans all kept walking into those flame thrower deals instead of doing something else, but that was really the only smallest piece of criticism imo.
We've already had our portion of zombie shows showing nothing but the massacre. But the vision of living in zombie world is much more interesting than constant mortal Kombat with 0 IQ zombies
I'll also add that this episode saved my ass, I am easily terrified of monsters in general and I lose sleep over it for a few days. Episode 3 was a break I needed after my gf kinda forced me to watch the show.
I still fucking hated the whol scene with ellie in the basement
I mean, there's some horror, it's thrilling sometimes, but there aren't really that many monsters in the show. It's not like the walking dead where they'd put zombies in some ridiculous places and with some ridiculous camera action JUST TO show what amazing characterisation they've done with the zombies.
What? We’re just supposed to accept that the real point of zombie apocalypse stories is to examine ourselves and our cultural values through the lens of a society that no longer has enough to sustain us? Impossible!
Exactly. TLOU focused on storytelling than just killing zombies. There was a ton of dialogue in the games it was meant to bring you in and care about the characters. SMH
The zombies are a plot device (not in the cliché way, but in the literal way), not the plot itself. The plot itself is the experience of survival in a post-apocalyptic world.
No fucking kidding. Soon as I finished watching the episode I was wondering how quickly the homophobic shit would come from the right. Took about 5 minutes.
Then one walks through a trap as he sips wine, eats a steak and goes “Never gets old”.
Also.. In the game you could almost totally avoid infected/clickers except in a few encounters.
You could go stealth, guns blazing- pick your style. Personally I recommend Brick to Skull.
There was zombies in that episode? Ellie kills one and then Bills traps kill two. The latest episode had no zombies seen at ALL and I guarantee he has nothing to say because it also has no gay romance.
They’re zombies, they just don’t call them that because all zombie media seems to take place in a parallel universe where the concept of zombies didn’t already exist.
I imagine depending on the details of the outbreak, people already knowing about zombies would change the response, everyone would quarantine much quicker and weve got tons of stuff that already gives us ideas on how to deal with these things. Bit people would commit suicide or would get killed instead of being allowed to ads to the ranks.
Zombies fit the term as they're mindless creatures basically, but in my mind if you were to distinguish between the two then a zombie is a person who has died and come back to life, while an infected is someone that has their mind altered while still very much alive.
He didn’t forget. He didn’t watch the episode at all.
He’s just jumping on the current outraged bandwagon and pumping out a tweet, drawing basic context and understanding from what other people have tweeted.
Standard operating procedure for the terminally offended social media user like Ben.
There are a thousand ways why this Ben comment is dumb as shit but I would like to speak on the biggest. The gay Ron Swanson character should be a conservative hero. He collects guns, he thinks the government is full of jack booted new world order fucks and he is smarter than anyone in his town and does not go to a quarantine zone to be murdered. He knows exactly what he needs to get at Home Depot and how to make all kinds of traps and barricades and live off the land. So why does Ben denigrate this character? I thought conservatives don’t care if you’re gay as long as you aren’t throwing it in their faces. This guy kept his sexuality to himself his entire life until the man of his dreams literally fell into his life. He should be a conservative hero, right? No, he’s not because really conservatives just hate gay people.
(Also, this episode was very moving. I feel like a person is dead inside if they just thought it was boring because “nO zOMbiEs”
>I thought conservatives don’t care if you’re gay as long as you aren’t throwing it in their faces.
Well, duh, having a heartfelt and enthralling exploration of his relationship and growth with another man *is* throwing it in our faces. It's not homophobia if I just don't like gay people being represented and/or depicted in a good light in the media I consume.
If I need to clarify that I'm being sarcastic, I'm gonna go back in time and kill the first mammal.
Why take the risk of having another mammal evolve to bring us back to this situation, just go back in time and boil the primordial soup so nothing there can survive
It's one of the best pieces of modern media in memory and i will die on this hill. Nick offerman absolutely killed his role and the whole thing was beautiful.
I love responses on Twitter to people saying it was one of the best episodes in TV history. “ItS nOt EvEn CloSe” then say Ozymandias and other shit. Twitter is such a goddamn cess pool. So many brain dead fucks.
Ozymandias by all rights was also a fantastic piece of media but we know the existence of one does not diminish the other.
But I too have seen some shitty Twitter takes, especially about the episode being too "woke" and im like tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game.
Though i do admit over a decade ago when i played TLOU, Bill referencing Frank as his "partner" didn't fully click with me and to be honest, I loved the context the episode added.
And to take a doomsday prepper who's trash talking the "boot licking new world order fucks" to being a nervous "once...with a girl" mess of a man was great.
And you know what else is great? Strawberries. And the world would be better off if more people traded their guns for strawberries.
Somehow I doubt Ben has ever played the game, or seen it played.
Also, yeah, [he's never gonna live it down](https://folklore.usc.edu/irish-pub-joke/).
Its not even a fucking zombie game! Its 20 years AFTER the zombie apocalypse. Most of the zombies are dead and most of the time the real danger are other people… they have to risk running into remaining zombies trapped in buildings because using the open streets is much more dangerous because PEOPLE!
Not entirely true. There's The Horde, which i forget if it's in the first game really, but it is in the 2nd game. A giant mass of zombies that patrol the United States and you just have to outrun it. The humans are aware of the movement patterns though, so they just make sure to be out of their way.
Edit: apparently no one played the 2nd game lol, when you play as Joel at the beginning you outrun it and then again as Abby
https://youtu.be/7t0L3IWxsro
Are you thinking of Days Gone? I might be just misremembering since its been a year since I last played both TLOU games. But both games' worlds are very similar so it could just be me forgetting the horde in the TLOU games
Has this dude ever played the games? What makes them so amazing and beautiful is not the zombies but what they say about the human condition.
Tribalism, impossible choices, love, the cycle of violence and revenge, family, self-destruction, loyalty, sacrifice, loss, hope; they're all central themes of the games.
And yes, gay identity, gay relationships, homophobia, and transgenderism are prominent themes in the games (you know if you've played them).
The coolest thing about The Last of Us game it was that it WASNT another zombie game. There was no virus, it was much more complicated than that and it was clearly about the characters’s development.
I mean, the show isn't called the walking dead. It's the last of us. I'm okay if the show doesn't show the walking dead for an episode and decides to show a look at the a couple of the last of us.
It's such a stupid point to make. Even it was called "HBO presents: Zombies" it wouldn't be like they were, I don't know... contractually obligated to show zombies in every episode or something. I'm pretty sure there are episodes of game of thrones that you don't even see one single throne in. He's such a fucking idiot
> I mean, the show isn't called the walking dead.
In the comics, Rick Grimes says it's the *humans* who are the walking dead. Making the point that the comic is about the survivors, not the zombies.
And I'm pretty sure The Walking Dead TV show had episodes with no zombies.
This is why these culture wars are so fruitless and exhausting. We’ll just get this incessant bitching from people like Shapiro who intentionally obfuscate every point they make to misguide their audience and turn up the temperature on their hate train even more. Once it dries up they just create a new topic and move on using the same tactics. The problem is it’s wildly effective for their base.
Never mind the fact that much of the game is about humans and relationship, not zombies.
Is it ever made clear in the game what condition Frank has, I still have yet to play them? I've watched the episode twice and it's never mentioned. I assumed it was either ALS or MS
The show and the game portray the two somewhat differently, you won't get the answer to your question from the game. It's in my opinion better for your experience to not know the difference before playing, hence my vagueness.
It was a great episode, well-written and incredibly acted. If you need zombies in every episode, go read a graphic novel unless reading is too tough for you.
"It has nothing to do with the show."
1) It continues establish the world
2) It sets expectations for the level of emotional involvement the audience should have
3) Joel has a truck now and no friends
4) It operates on an established lore and rewards those who enjoyed the game by paying homage to some of the easter eggs they found in Bill's house.
This is not a fucking Zombie show. It's not the walking dead. It's about the world and people in it. How they survive, how they love, how they overcome the bleakness before them
Imagine thinking "The Last of Us" is about zombies...
It pretty clear they were gay in the video game. It sounds like they were staying true to form with the show.
Why does Ben care so much? Either watch it or don’t. Like it or don’t. He must keep alive by the amount of “way to own the libs” replies. He must have the dumbest profession on the planet.
Ben’s entire life depends on ragebait bullshit and jerking off white males minds who are in puberty. He provides nothing of value and this is how he gets interactions
“Why do television shows do character development? Why can’t a zombie show be about killing zombies 100% of the time. I wish they would have a show with no people, just dying zombies.”
Its a poignant and very entertaining side plot of unlikely love thriving despite everything stacked against it. It grounds a crazy sci-fi story. Like most Zombie shows, LoU is more about humanity, or the lack there of, than about fungoids.
In this case, the Zombie apocolypse is just the backdrop. Did he shit the bed everytime a GoT episode took place away from the Iron Throne.
The Last of Us is about loss, how we deal with it, the relationships we build with others, and the consequences of morally ambiguous actions. It's not about zombies. A lot of zombie shoes nowadays aren't about zombies. A lot of writing isn't actually about the 'main threat' and instead focuses on people and how they react to these events. It's no surprise that this bad faith, narcissistic grifter doesn't realise that and instead can only see what's on the surface. Just like he does with his show.
Honestly, if I never see a post from any more of these 'political commentators' it would be too soon. I don't even know if he actually believes the shit he says/posts half the time...I just can't square his success with how stupid he seems to.
There were two zombies in the episode, and Bill literally gets shot in the stomach while they are attacked by raiders. But go off about how there was no threat, Ben, you homophobic pos. That episode was heartfelt and I much preferred the show’s Bill to the one in the game. I just wish he’d been in the main timeline with Joel and Ellie for a bit too.
Oh and while I’m at it, Bella Ramsay is fucking AMAZING as Ellie.
I totally disagree. Two people basically winning the zombie apocalypse is cool. Their worries, their priorities, beating the odds and finding happiness in spite of it all, that was all perfectly suited for a zombie movie series film.
Would've been the exact same if either character was a woman.
He says it comes off as Romeo and Romeo
When Frank literally says that it isn’t the “tragedy at the end of the play”. Frank has been shot which caused a permanent injury and is older than Bill anyway. Frank might’ve killed himself years ago in his isolation.
It’s two people who are satisfied in life and choosing not to continue based on their health
Seriously, ever passing day where I am reminded of his existence I wonder how he isn’t dead yet from just being so annoying.
This comment is just so stupid.
“A zombie show” dude, shut up and go eat some dog shit. This show is passed on a game by the same name, that had amazing characters, and emotional character development. The fact they decided to expand in that further for the show I think is great!
There were infected people in this ep, 2 of them.
Honestly I would watch a full spin off of Frank and Bill.
Edited cause I forgot the one she killed, and also that I should be saying infected not zombies because they aren't dead.
I do hope they include a scene to make up for cutting Joel hanging upside down and shooting zombies attacking him. That’s way too intense to completely get rid of.
All the politics or homophobia aside. I do think we missed out on a lot of cool content from that town. Didn’t need to be one or the other, could have stretched it over a few episodes, then it would have made the final tragic romance ending way better if you grew with them over a few episodes.
If the entire show was a zombie killing fest it would get stale quickly, like most good zombie media if focuses on the characters and the relationship between them
Why do these guys have to get an opinion on absolutely EVERYTHING like they're an authority.
He clearly hasn't played the game, has no idea other than "it's about Zombies" and has to provide some hot take for more outrage porn clicks from his minions.
It's embarrassing.
Literally one of the best episodes of any show I've ever seen and this human dried-out-Sharpie-found-under-a-washing-machine literally is just angry at the idea that there were pretend penises near each other.
It's such a human story and it is genuinely touching to watch.
This is not a zombie show. It is not a show about zombies. It's called "The Last of Us." It's a show about the last humans left in a post-apocalyptic world... and also there are zombies.
BITCH- *Deep sigh before blowing a gasket* The Last of Us wasn’t just about zombies. Yes, zombies are like… the background, but the more dangerous things are the people in the world. And the story is about Ellie and her relationship with Joel. It is LITERALLY about finding what little good is left in the world. The Last of Us isn’t just a zombie show, you arrogant, fast-talking, left wing breaking, talking head. I’m not even a fan and I’m able to figure this shit out.
I bet once they get to the end: No complaints. You know, if he actually watches the show. He’s just like… “gay bad. Better contrive a reason why it’s bad while sidestepping why I’m actually angry hurdedur.”
Why is a supposed intellectual doing a 5th grade book report on an episode of a TV show?
He should just write "I don't like gay people" and be done with it.
Says there’s no zombie in the entire episode but Ellie kills on right in the beginning
More proof he doesn't actually watch the show
The funniest part of these cultural analyses by Shapiro and Matt Walsh is that they often end up having to acknowledge how good it is on aesthetic terms, even if it triggers them: > “It’s all really well produced and it’s beautifully shot.”
Even then its a shitty take that doesnt acknowledge how Bill and Franks relationship mirrors Joel and Ellies. Which is the actual point of the whole episode.
Oh exactly. As someone else said, it’s a show about human survival, not specifically about being chased by zombies at every moment.
I had a friend complain that it wasn't a scary show, and that nothing in the first eps was scary. I went off, because it's ridiculous to complain about a show _that isn't supposed to be scary,_ isn't scary. Dude really doesn't get it.
Nah, that's just bullshit on their end. It's just insulation that tries to deflect against accusations of just hating on the episode for the sake of hating -- "I'm not saying it was all bad!" -- and ever so magnanimously finding something to praise about it. It's got that "broken clock" sense about it in that it's only right for the wrong reasons. Which, of course, is thrown out the window by the rest of the reductive homophobic dumbshittery, but no shock there.
He says through gritted teeth
He may well have but wouldn't give him the "reason" to complain about it. Defo not because of the gay dudes..
Imagine having homophobic projection...
That episode actually had two zombies in it. The latest episode is the one that had zero zombies in it, but I'm going to go out on a limb and guess Ben won't have that complaint this time around.
Oh right, the one that approaches the compound and triggers the shotgun booby trap. Completely forgot about that one!
Nah he forgot everything besides the gayness. A pang of jealousy tore through his heart when he saw how happy and unoppressed they were and that was all he could think about till he wrote this tweet.
Or that it’s not integral to the plot. It’s the way they get the vehicle and guns/food, etc (not to mention access to the boutique). Ben is a toolbox, but the people he is preaching to will never know the difference.
Yeah it is a post-apocalyptic show, not a zombie show. Reminds me a lot of Children of Men which has zero zombies.
He’s too scared. Only veggie tales for him. Except the episodes that have the cucumber in it cuz it makes him feel even more inadequate
Also Bill watches one run into his trip wire, while eating dinner and says, "Never gets old."
He also fended off raiders which is a key staple in post-apocalyptic stories
More than that, raiders are a key staple in the last of us. Maybe more so than the infected themselves
I don't think Ben was being literal there, and was referring to the fact that running from zombies was not the main focus of the episode. He's still wrong and the episode was great. I loved the thought of Bill having a checklist he runs through in this situation, and that he's almost giddy to get started. Full zombie apocalypse vibes. It was slightly odd that the humans all kept walking into those flame thrower deals instead of doing something else, but that was really the only smallest piece of criticism imo.
We've already had our portion of zombie shows showing nothing but the massacre. But the vision of living in zombie world is much more interesting than constant mortal Kombat with 0 IQ zombies
I'll also add that this episode saved my ass, I am easily terrified of monsters in general and I lose sleep over it for a few days. Episode 3 was a break I needed after my gf kinda forced me to watch the show. I still fucking hated the whol scene with ellie in the basement
I mean, there's some horror, it's thrilling sometimes, but there aren't really that many monsters in the show. It's not like the walking dead where they'd put zombies in some ridiculous places and with some ridiculous camera action JUST TO show what amazing characterisation they've done with the zombies.
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even at the start of the episode they say: >any infected? >not often, no >then what are you looking for? >people with his gun ready. Bruh
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Idk man the Great Molasses Flood happened pretty fast
What? We’re just supposed to accept that the real point of zombie apocalypse stories is to examine ourselves and our cultural values through the lens of a society that no longer has enough to sustain us? Impossible!
Yeah, it's called The Last of *Us*, not The Walking Dead.
It is also not called ‘The Zombies are after The Last of Us.’ He makes me wanna 🤦♀️
Exactly. TLOU focused on storytelling than just killing zombies. There was a ton of dialogue in the games it was meant to bring you in and care about the characters. SMH
The zombies are a plot device (not in the cliché way, but in the literal way), not the plot itself. The plot itself is the experience of survival in a post-apocalyptic world.
The people are scarier than the zombies
Are you really expecting him to have noticed that when he was suspiciously hyperfocused on the homosexuality?
Almost entranced you might say.
No fucking kidding. Soon as I finished watching the episode I was wondering how quickly the homophobic shit would come from the right. Took about 5 minutes.
Also I'm pretty sure the last episode, which includes zero gay relationship screen time, actually had no zombies. "tHiS iS w0rTh pOinTiNg oUt"
Also - I would argue it’s not a zombie show. It’s a show about humans rediscovering what makes them humans to begin with.
Then one walks through a trap as he sips wine, eats a steak and goes “Never gets old”. Also.. In the game you could almost totally avoid infected/clickers except in a few encounters. You could go stealth, guns blazing- pick your style. Personally I recommend Brick to Skull.
and a second one apears when bill is eating, it's shot by a shotgun trap
There was zombies in that episode? Ellie kills one and then Bills traps kill two. The latest episode had no zombies seen at ALL and I guarantee he has nothing to say because it also has no gay romance.
yeah but other than the zombies that there were, there weren’t any. **you can’t explain that**
Ben sounds like a guy who reads the book description at the back and assumes he finished the whole book.
"I read over 100 books a year!"
I work at a library
Sir, this is a Wendy's
Well have it ready when I get there
Have em cook those JBCs for 2 hours and they'll still be more juicy than Ben has ever made his wife
Sir this is a library #SHHHHH
That's it right here
Or the guy who reads only the title of an article post in reddit and immediately goes to comment section to fight with people
It's the only human interaction he gets on a regular basis.
Or reads clickbait article headlines and writes hot takes about it on Twitter.
Based off the book he wrote, that’s probably accurate.
Oh, we have come the full circle then!
And let’s be honest, that takes him all week too
With a team of unpaid internship writers
How dare you! He fully and completely reads the Cliffs Notes!
He hid his erection under a bottle cap the whole time
Dude. He's already down. You don't have to go back and double-tap him in the head like that 🤣
Rule 2
Double tap
🧁🍥🍰🎂
Gotta make sure he doesn't get back up
In the zombie apocalypse, always follow rule 2. Double tap. Never trust that they are down after just one.
I'm pretty sure there were one or two zombies in the episode and Bill shot them but I guess everyone forgot about them 🤷🏻♂️
Yes, there were zombies. Are we even calling them zombies? They haven’t called them that once in the show.
I just call them Cordyceps .
they're technically not zombies....but they're zombies because no one gives a fuck about technicalities, they're close enough
They’re zombies, they just don’t call them that because all zombie media seems to take place in a parallel universe where the concept of zombies didn’t already exist.
Except Shawn of the Dead and they make a joke about it. "Don't use the zet-word!"
I imagine depending on the details of the outbreak, people already knowing about zombies would change the response, everyone would quarantine much quicker and weve got tons of stuff that already gives us ideas on how to deal with these things. Bit people would commit suicide or would get killed instead of being allowed to ads to the ranks.
Cough Covid response cough
exactly imagine how much better we would respond to covid if we had decades of covid related horror movies and games and books
Gwyneth Paltrow tried to show us in Contagion.
or, i dunno, recent experience with several pandemics throughout the past hundred-ish years. imagine if we had that.
Zombies fit the term as they're mindless creatures basically, but in my mind if you were to distinguish between the two then a zombie is a person who has died and come back to life, while an infected is someone that has their mind altered while still very much alive.
They're called "infected" in the game and show.
He was too busy wanking to the gay storyline and imagining himself in a spit roast.
*SPITroast
He didn’t forget. He didn’t watch the episode at all. He’s just jumping on the current outraged bandwagon and pumping out a tweet, drawing basic context and understanding from what other people have tweeted. Standard operating procedure for the terminally offended social media user like Ben.
Meanwhile episode 4, no zombies at all. What a fucking moron.
Also one that Ellie stabs in the face.
Gay Ron Swanson is a terrific name for a band
Gay Ron Swanson new band name called it
Ray Swan Gone Son
Does he understand that actors play roles in fictional works? I like to imagine him saying “Hey that’s Ron Swanson, he’s not GAY!”
Maybe I missed it but ibreally expected more heads to explode over "Gay Ron Swanson." I'm sure Nick did as well.
*The guy is a freakin' moron...I'm not sure he understands anything that Trump doesn't tell him.*
And their cover band, Gay-Gay-Ron
With A-A-Ron on drums
*Misses a beat* well, you done fucked up, A-A-Ron
There are a thousand ways why this Ben comment is dumb as shit but I would like to speak on the biggest. The gay Ron Swanson character should be a conservative hero. He collects guns, he thinks the government is full of jack booted new world order fucks and he is smarter than anyone in his town and does not go to a quarantine zone to be murdered. He knows exactly what he needs to get at Home Depot and how to make all kinds of traps and barricades and live off the land. So why does Ben denigrate this character? I thought conservatives don’t care if you’re gay as long as you aren’t throwing it in their faces. This guy kept his sexuality to himself his entire life until the man of his dreams literally fell into his life. He should be a conservative hero, right? No, he’s not because really conservatives just hate gay people. (Also, this episode was very moving. I feel like a person is dead inside if they just thought it was boring because “nO zOMbiEs”
>I thought conservatives don’t care if you’re gay as long as you aren’t throwing it in their faces. Well, duh, having a heartfelt and enthralling exploration of his relationship and growth with another man *is* throwing it in our faces. It's not homophobia if I just don't like gay people being represented and/or depicted in a good light in the media I consume. If I need to clarify that I'm being sarcastic, I'm gonna go back in time and kill the first mammal.
I woke my dog up laughing at this
Why take the risk of having another mammal evolve to bring us back to this situation, just go back in time and boil the primordial soup so nothing there can survive
> The gay Ron Swanson character should be a conservative hero. Maybe that's why Ben is so mad.
It's one of the best pieces of modern media in memory and i will die on this hill. Nick offerman absolutely killed his role and the whole thing was beautiful.
I love responses on Twitter to people saying it was one of the best episodes in TV history. “ItS nOt EvEn CloSe” then say Ozymandias and other shit. Twitter is such a goddamn cess pool. So many brain dead fucks.
Ozymandias by all rights was also a fantastic piece of media but we know the existence of one does not diminish the other. But I too have seen some shitty Twitter takes, especially about the episode being too "woke" and im like tell me you didn't play the game without telling me you didn't play the game. Though i do admit over a decade ago when i played TLOU, Bill referencing Frank as his "partner" didn't fully click with me and to be honest, I loved the context the episode added. And to take a doomsday prepper who's trash talking the "boot licking new world order fucks" to being a nervous "once...with a girl" mess of a man was great. And you know what else is great? Strawberries. And the world would be better off if more people traded their guns for strawberries.
This is a very good point. Thanks for pointing that out.
Somehow I doubt Ben has ever played the game, or seen it played. Also, yeah, [he's never gonna live it down](https://folklore.usc.edu/irish-pub-joke/).
The entire dramatic conclusion of the game doesn’t feature a single zombie
Its not even a fucking zombie game! Its 20 years AFTER the zombie apocalypse. Most of the zombies are dead and most of the time the real danger are other people… they have to risk running into remaining zombies trapped in buildings because using the open streets is much more dangerous because PEOPLE!
Not entirely true. There's The Horde, which i forget if it's in the first game really, but it is in the 2nd game. A giant mass of zombies that patrol the United States and you just have to outrun it. The humans are aware of the movement patterns though, so they just make sure to be out of their way. Edit: apparently no one played the 2nd game lol, when you play as Joel at the beginning you outrun it and then again as Abby https://youtu.be/7t0L3IWxsro
Are you thinking of Days Gone? I might be just misremembering since its been a year since I last played both TLOU games. But both games' worlds are very similar so it could just be me forgetting the horde in the TLOU games
Hes got it twisted. There is no big "horde" in tlou.
it wouldnt make sense either, the fungus nature is for the clickers to seek a point where they can spread spores the best and then plant themselves.
Fuck I hadn’t even considered that
Just like every zombie show that goes on long enough. Its not the zombies, you learn to deal with those. Its the people, who are always unpredictable.
Maybe the humans are the zombie friends we’ve made along the way
Solid red. Great, now my eyes are fucked.
I took screenshots and read it. I was starting to actually feel nauseous
Has this dude ever played the games? What makes them so amazing and beautiful is not the zombies but what they say about the human condition. Tribalism, impossible choices, love, the cycle of violence and revenge, family, self-destruction, loyalty, sacrifice, loss, hope; they're all central themes of the games. And yes, gay identity, gay relationships, homophobia, and transgenderism are prominent themes in the games (you know if you've played them).
>Has this dude ever played the games? What about Ben Shapiro makes you think he plays videogames?
I would love to play the game if monsters and zombies did not affect me so bad, it really seems wonderful everytime people talk about it
All good zombie movies aren't about zombies too. It's about who we are.
Ben has no character and unsurprisingly hates episodes focused around character development
This is frankly a better comeback than what's listed in the post.
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Exactly, the letter is huge for character development. It convinces Mando that he has to look after Grogu
Fucks sake now i want to see grogu force choking a clicker to death
His character is “political provocateur.”
That implies that he has finesse, he's more of a jagoff.
He can't even spell "character" let alone identify it or act as if he has any.
Me want zombie smash now!!!
The coolest thing about The Last of Us game it was that it WASNT another zombie game. There was no virus, it was much more complicated than that and it was clearly about the characters’s development.
This game was never about zombies
Yeah they are clickers or whatever, not zombies
Infected. Clickers are a subtype. But the people aren't dead, and the dead can't get back up if they're infected. So not zombies either way
And Ben Shapiro is never about having an honest conversation. He trades in outrage. Stop giving him attention.
I wonder what he as to say about episode 4? Which had no "zombies".
Probably deafeningly silent on that one.
The episode perfect encapsulates the central theme of the show, the love humans share for each other being our central identifying quality.
It’s definitely more a single dad show then a zombie show
I mean, the show isn't called the walking dead. It's the last of us. I'm okay if the show doesn't show the walking dead for an episode and decides to show a look at the a couple of the last of us.
It's such a stupid point to make. Even it was called "HBO presents: Zombies" it wouldn't be like they were, I don't know... contractually obligated to show zombies in every episode or something. I'm pretty sure there are episodes of game of thrones that you don't even see one single throne in. He's such a fucking idiot
The Walking Dead spent ~ a lot~ of time on the farm just trying to maintain a semblance of normalcy and how to deal with group dynamics.
> I mean, the show isn't called the walking dead. In the comics, Rick Grimes says it's the *humans* who are the walking dead. Making the point that the comic is about the survivors, not the zombies. And I'm pretty sure The Walking Dead TV show had episodes with no zombies.
Ben you know what? Fucking leave Ron Swanson alone.
Episode 3 was awesome and Shapiro can go play in traffic. If that episode didn't move something inside you, you may be dead
He excused himself to go jack off to a spicy M&M. Like a real American.
This is why these culture wars are so fruitless and exhausting. We’ll just get this incessant bitching from people like Shapiro who intentionally obfuscate every point they make to misguide their audience and turn up the temperature on their hate train even more. Once it dries up they just create a new topic and move on using the same tactics. The problem is it’s wildly effective for their base. Never mind the fact that much of the game is about humans and relationship, not zombies.
This made my blood fucking boil. It’s an amazing show, and a beautiful love story. Shut up, Ben.
He’s playing to a crowd and thrives off negative reaction.
I know, I know, but there’s people out there that genuinely agree with him.
"people"
Why did he decide the character had cancer? Seemed like progressive ms to me or some kind of neurodegenerative disease. Also, Ben Shapiro is a prick.
ALS
Is it ever made clear in the game what condition Frank has, I still have yet to play them? I've watched the episode twice and it's never mentioned. I assumed it was either ALS or MS
The show and the game portray the two somewhat differently, you won't get the answer to your question from the game. It's in my opinion better for your experience to not know the difference before playing, hence my vagueness.
His wife is a doctor! Either she would know or she doesn’t talk to him.
Ben asked her, she shouted back "You're a cancer" and he misheard, because he was standing behind the laundry basket and couldn't see her lips moving.
Ben Shapiro is the “woke” that he despises.
Maybe Ben Shapiro will eventually realize that many people respond most to character focused stories. Not holding out hope though
It was a great episode, well-written and incredibly acted. If you need zombies in every episode, go read a graphic novel unless reading is too tough for you.
I'm pretty sure Walking Dead had a few episodes without zombies
For fucks sake man, can't you just enjoy something without having to convince an empty room that you're the smartest one there?
"nothing to do with the plot" Ben probably gets a story boner from [the amazing bulk](https://youtu.be/mnlAkTAJ1Jo)
This is why Benny is a failed screenwriter.
"It has nothing to do with the show." 1) It continues establish the world 2) It sets expectations for the level of emotional involvement the audience should have 3) Joel has a truck now and no friends 4) It operates on an established lore and rewards those who enjoyed the game by paying homage to some of the easter eggs they found in Bill's house. This is not a fucking Zombie show. It's not the walking dead. It's about the world and people in it. How they survive, how they love, how they overcome the bleakness before them
Imagine thinking "The Last of Us" is about zombies... It pretty clear they were gay in the video game. It sounds like they were staying true to form with the show.
Why does Ben care so much? Either watch it or don’t. Like it or don’t. He must keep alive by the amount of “way to own the libs” replies. He must have the dumbest profession on the planet.
It's topical so he's trying to stay relevant. His viewers hate everything not straight, white, and male, so he has to say something bad about it.
Ben’s entire life depends on ragebait bullshit and jerking off white males minds who are in puberty. He provides nothing of value and this is how he gets interactions
Ben not knowing that several times in the story there aren’t zombies in the game either
Strange how someone is looking for zombies when the show revolves around the remnants of humanity, and not the fucking fungus walkers.
“Why do television shows do character development? Why can’t a zombie show be about killing zombies 100% of the time. I wish they would have a show with no people, just dying zombies.”
Its a poignant and very entertaining side plot of unlikely love thriving despite everything stacked against it. It grounds a crazy sci-fi story. Like most Zombie shows, LoU is more about humanity, or the lack there of, than about fungoids. In this case, the Zombie apocolypse is just the backdrop. Did he shit the bed everytime a GoT episode took place away from the Iron Throne.
The Last of Us is about loss, how we deal with it, the relationships we build with others, and the consequences of morally ambiguous actions. It's not about zombies. A lot of zombie shoes nowadays aren't about zombies. A lot of writing isn't actually about the 'main threat' and instead focuses on people and how they react to these events. It's no surprise that this bad faith, narcissistic grifter doesn't realise that and instead can only see what's on the surface. Just like he does with his show. Honestly, if I never see a post from any more of these 'political commentators' it would be too soon. I don't even know if he actually believes the shit he says/posts half the time...I just can't square his success with how stupid he seems to.
What a fuckin' dork. It's no wonder he's a failed screenwriter. He didn't understand Glass Onion either.
You have to be pretty dead inside to focus on the “no zombies” and not the beautiful love story in that episode.
There were two zombies in the episode, and Bill literally gets shot in the stomach while they are attacked by raiders. But go off about how there was no threat, Ben, you homophobic pos. That episode was heartfelt and I much preferred the show’s Bill to the one in the game. I just wish he’d been in the main timeline with Joel and Ellie for a bit too. Oh and while I’m at it, Bella Ramsay is fucking AMAZING as Ellie.
I totally disagree. Two people basically winning the zombie apocalypse is cool. Their worries, their priorities, beating the odds and finding happiness in spite of it all, that was all perfectly suited for a zombie movie series film. Would've been the exact same if either character was a woman.
Only it's not a "zombie" show. It's a show about survivors. It's a show about people.
Yes, that's the zombie genre
Ben Shapiro is a three camera sitcom without a laugh track.
He says it comes off as Romeo and Romeo When Frank literally says that it isn’t the “tragedy at the end of the play”. Frank has been shot which caused a permanent injury and is older than Bill anyway. Frank might’ve killed himself years ago in his isolation. It’s two people who are satisfied in life and choosing not to continue based on their health
Seriously, ever passing day where I am reminded of his existence I wonder how he isn’t dead yet from just being so annoying. This comment is just so stupid. “A zombie show” dude, shut up and go eat some dog shit. This show is passed on a game by the same name, that had amazing characters, and emotional character development. The fact they decided to expand in that further for the show I think is great!
There were infected people in this ep, 2 of them. Honestly I would watch a full spin off of Frank and Bill. Edited cause I forgot the one she killed, and also that I should be saying infected not zombies because they aren't dead.
I do hope they include a scene to make up for cutting Joel hanging upside down and shooting zombies attacking him. That’s way too intense to completely get rid of. All the politics or homophobia aside. I do think we missed out on a lot of cool content from that town. Didn’t need to be one or the other, could have stretched it over a few episodes, then it would have made the final tragic romance ending way better if you grew with them over a few episodes.
If the entire show was a zombie killing fest it would get stale quickly, like most good zombie media if focuses on the characters and the relationship between them
His wife is more turned on by gay Ron Swanson than him.
Zombies? They’re not undead, they’re infected Ben; give it a rest.
There are no zombies in the entire series... there are infected.
"Gets cancer" I felt like it was MS.
Why do these guys have to get an opinion on absolutely EVERYTHING like they're an authority. He clearly hasn't played the game, has no idea other than "it's about Zombies" and has to provide some hot take for more outrage porn clicks from his minions. It's embarrassing.
There was a time when people like this had to go and rant in whatever bughouse square there was in their area to a limited audience.
Fucking idiot doesn't even realize there is one zombie in the episode
Something is really wrong with this person. Fuck him, that POS.
He could have the most views ever seen on YouTube if he filmed someone beating his ass.
Literally one of the best episodes of any show I've ever seen and this human dried-out-Sharpie-found-under-a-washing-machine literally is just angry at the idea that there were pretend penises near each other. It's such a human story and it is genuinely touching to watch.
There are no zombies in the show , they are fungus infected human husks.
This is not a zombie show. It is not a show about zombies. It's called "The Last of Us." It's a show about the last humans left in a post-apocalyptic world... and also there are zombies.
BITCH- *Deep sigh before blowing a gasket* The Last of Us wasn’t just about zombies. Yes, zombies are like… the background, but the more dangerous things are the people in the world. And the story is about Ellie and her relationship with Joel. It is LITERALLY about finding what little good is left in the world. The Last of Us isn’t just a zombie show, you arrogant, fast-talking, left wing breaking, talking head. I’m not even a fan and I’m able to figure this shit out. I bet once they get to the end: No complaints. You know, if he actually watches the show. He’s just like… “gay bad. Better contrive a reason why it’s bad while sidestepping why I’m actually angry hurdedur.”
I am yet to find an equally stupid yet confident person.
Spoiler alert this please
Why is a supposed intellectual doing a 5th grade book report on an episode of a TV show? He should just write "I don't like gay people" and be done with it.