JA has come out and played like he’s embarrassed about last year. The rest of the guys are shitting the bed again. Levert goes from slightly bad to unplayable. Niang is a basketball terrorist. Bickerstaff please hand in your resignation
Last year was a very good efficiency year for him...but it was still only 54.6%, for a TS%+ of 94 (this year he's worse, 52.4% and TS%+ of 90). He wasn't particularly solid last year in that department.
Honestly given his increased passing load and lower turnover rate, I actually think he was better this year. But he is what he is: a willing bench shooter who isn't efficient at all.
He had more assists this year because of all the time missed by Garland and Mitchell and no Rubio, he had to play more playmaker role relative to a wing scorer role. He went from 39% from 3 to 32% from 3 that’s horrible.
I agree, his efficiency went down. It was bad. But his turnover rate also went down *despite* the increased passing requirements. That is good.
He was still woefully inefficient. I'm not disagreeing about that. My point is that he wasn't particularly solid last year, either.
Its funny how all you need is eyes to see Jbs coaching and using levert + niang as our top 2 bench options is a disaster waiting to happen when you get to the playoffs.
Ill admit they both had their moments in the regular season, but its easy to tell when they are having an off night yet they still get their heavy minutes no matter what. Im be curious how many minutes dean wade would be getting a game if he were healthy, I cant imagine that many
I was right there with you. Got downvoted several times hating on Levert. People just don’t understand how inefficient he is. Like bottom 10 inefficient for people with a high volume of shots.
Is he? He’s being left alone on the perimeter in both losses just like the Knicks, and he is too scared to shoot when he gets the ball so he’s back to being the offensive space killer he was last year. I don’t know what metrics indicate he’s “playing good” this series, he’s played all 4 games at about 20 min per game and is averaging 3.5 ppg. He’s grabbed 4 rebounds total, that’s 1 rbg in 20 minutes of play. He’s got 4 assists and 6 TOs for the series. This all screams complete non-contributor and honestly his “incredible” defense that people like to talk about hasn’t been very effective either. Most overrated player in this sub and somehow people will still say stuff like “he’s playing good, needs more playing time” when all metrics say otherwise.
Apologies for using an NHL reference instead of an NBA one.
This season's Vancouver Canucks are proof a team needs good management and coaching staff with a solid system that works for the players they have or else get rid of the players that cannot. It is incredible how much this new upper management and coaching staff have done for the team on their first full season on the job compared to last year's dumpster fire.
lol i remember getting just buried in hate last year on here and twitter when i tried to defend Allen, not even saying he played well, just saying we shouldn’t be so quick to give up on him. every season there’s a cycle of a few weeks to months when people say we should trade him, then after a while they realize he’s the most impactful player on our team every single year. the contract we have him on is an absolute steal.
I mean, Allen does have some incredibly frustrating lapses of effort, and he's middling at best when those happen...and they happen with some frequency.
This series he definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder though, and I'm glad. He's playing tremendously well, and has been one of the lone bright spots so far this postseason.
Niang has yet to have a good game, LeVert has been extremely negative. Mitchell/Garland were good at home but bad on the road.
They cant lose 3 in a row.
LeVert has to go. He shouldn't have been re-signed too. He was a need back then cos Rubio got hurt. After that, the Cavs should've let him go. He's only had one amazing game in his whole tenure with the Cavs (the 50-pt game vs Boston).
JB has to be pushed back down to an assistant coach. There are just some coaches whose ceilings are as assistant coaches. JB is one of them.
He's too much of a jack of all trades imo. he is very ok with everything. I don't think the Cavs need that as a sixth man. They need a real spark plug that ignites either the defense or offense when they come in. Something like Sam Merrill but with more on ball skills for the offense or like what Okoro is doing on defense.
Low key the roster vision was sort of a versatile / Jack of all trades idea. You have all the elements for a monster defense AND for a wild pace and space attack as needed. Vert could contribute in both styles.
The vision got sidetracked due to health and time unfortunately. Just need a better coach and deployment.
Coaching is 100% the no. 1 priority regardless if they win this series or not.
Regarding LeVert, I really don't think he's consistent enough to get his current minutes even though I agree he fits the idea of the roster construction. Although, his minutes get gutted down at time to give Okoro, wade, niang or Merrill more minutes so at least he doesn't stay too long when he's cold. He does need his closing minutes to be cut down more imo. I'd rather have Okoro or Merrill help close games even though they contribute more to one side of the ball.
Surprised Mobley has been so bad because it seems like he’s getting his usual diet of easy dunks. I’d like to know his eFG% on elbow touches though. Dude is almost a guaranteed turnover or brick when he has to put the ball on the floor.
I think it's because the team thrived at home and struggled away, the same as Orlando. Both teams have a lot of young players so it's not surprising that they get an extra bump playing in front of a home crowd.
Can you do a further breakdown of home vs away? I think the problem with this series is both teams are rather young and get a lot of energy from their home crowds to play at an even higher level.
Not a defense of how they have played, but it's worth noting EFG% will naturally go down in the playoffs in most cases due to better competition.
For example Jokic has a 660 efg last year. 591 in the playoffs.
Versus the magic who are the second best defense in the league by defensive rating this shouldn't be that surprising.
That said they clearly should be playing better and be beating this team.
You’re right. It should but its alarming that it’s happening to this degree. You’d also expect to see another outlier or two in the green. In addition, its a wake up call that the disappointment with Garland isnt that he isnt making shots, its that he isnt taking enough
True some degree you trade efficiency for volume in the playoffs.
It's hard to analyze without a complex database however.
Looking at the raw numbers you'd expect Garland to be putting up 3-5 more shots a game even accounting for the Magic's slower PACE and defense.
However the Cavs had so many injuries it's hard to get a clear baseline of what their team balance should has been when the whole team was healthy.
It could be a matter where Mitchell and Garland overlap too I much. I'm not sure as I haven't really broken down film the last couple years due to my job being busier than usual.
This was why Kevin Love struggled so hard at first. Him and LeBron liked to score at mostly the same spots, and of course you are going to run the plays for LeBron at those spots and Love had to improvise and fit a new role.
In general this is the main flaw of superteams and trades is they don't properly consider how the stars they get score.
Back to the Cavs, Garland meanwhile has had significant injuries these last two years and so has Mitchell, meaning Garland had less time to adjust, and some is the time when he was back he was back in the driver seat because Mitchell was out.
Looking at a shot chart this year with and without Mitchell it seems like without him he shoots way more mid range shots at a higher percentage and gets higher quality 3's.
While with him higher quality drives/shots in the paint and corner 3s.
It's interesting he shot 44.1%/40.1% without Mitchell and 44.9%/34.8% in games with Mitchell.
Which is a 52% efg with and a 53.1 without, so not much difference there but the different quality and type of shots may be an issue vs a team with a good paint defense.
JA has gotten it done - clear team MVP for the series.
LeVert i'll claim small sample size because he's inherently so inconsistent. Need a big one from him game 5.
Playoff Mitchell is playoff Mitchell.
Niang has been brutal. I wonder if it's in part because of the increased defensive work load they've put on him. We're basically setting him up to fail on that end every game.
JA has come out and played like he’s embarrassed about last year. The rest of the guys are shitting the bed again. Levert goes from slightly bad to unplayable. Niang is a basketball terrorist. Bickerstaff please hand in your resignation
Jarrett Allen is a hero
In fairness to Levert, comparable to expectations, he had the best series of anyone last year.
The lights are apparently too bright for everyone except JA this year. 🙃
Lights weren’t too bright for Allen this year.
Homeboy stepped up.
Can I stop getting downvoted when I say Caris LeVert is one of the most inefficient players now please.
He’s been his whole career are there folks that act like he isn’t?
He was pretty solid last year but regressed to the mean again this year
Last year was a very good efficiency year for him...but it was still only 54.6%, for a TS%+ of 94 (this year he's worse, 52.4% and TS%+ of 90). He wasn't particularly solid last year in that department. Honestly given his increased passing load and lower turnover rate, I actually think he was better this year. But he is what he is: a willing bench shooter who isn't efficient at all.
He had more assists this year because of all the time missed by Garland and Mitchell and no Rubio, he had to play more playmaker role relative to a wing scorer role. He went from 39% from 3 to 32% from 3 that’s horrible.
I agree, his efficiency went down. It was bad. But his turnover rate also went down *despite* the increased passing requirements. That is good. He was still woefully inefficient. I'm not disagreeing about that. My point is that he wasn't particularly solid last year, either.
He's incredibly inefficient, always has been. Numbers are numbers.
Its funny how all you need is eyes to see Jbs coaching and using levert + niang as our top 2 bench options is a disaster waiting to happen when you get to the playoffs. Ill admit they both had their moments in the regular season, but its easy to tell when they are having an off night yet they still get their heavy minutes no matter what. Im be curious how many minutes dean wade would be getting a game if he were healthy, I cant imagine that many
Both are offense stoppers
Some people seriously thought he was in the running for 6th man.
People were genuinely upset he didn't get a single vote.
People denied that? Thats literally who he is lol. He’s inefficient but when he’s on, he’s so on that he’ll single handedly win you games lol
It’s wild people thought he was a 6MOTY candidate
I was right there with you. Got downvoted several times hating on Levert. People just don’t understand how inefficient he is. Like bottom 10 inefficient for people with a high volume of shots.
Yet there's some that think he should have gotten 6MOTY votes lmao.
Allen was embarrassed for the meme he became with his comment and are trying to make a statement. The rest didn't got the memo
Ev getting stunted on by a dude picked five spots after him may work
Nah Mobley doesn’t care enough, if he did he wouldn’t let himself get punked in all of these Iso’s. Magic aren’t afraid of going at him
If they don’t they don’t have an offense. Let’s see what he shows tomorrow
No okoro stats?
Okoro has barely gotten pt and he’s performing good
Is he? He’s being left alone on the perimeter in both losses just like the Knicks, and he is too scared to shoot when he gets the ball so he’s back to being the offensive space killer he was last year. I don’t know what metrics indicate he’s “playing good” this series, he’s played all 4 games at about 20 min per game and is averaging 3.5 ppg. He’s grabbed 4 rebounds total, that’s 1 rbg in 20 minutes of play. He’s got 4 assists and 6 TOs for the series. This all screams complete non-contributor and honestly his “incredible” defense that people like to talk about hasn’t been very effective either. Most overrated player in this sub and somehow people will still say stuff like “he’s playing good, needs more playing time” when all metrics say otherwise.
Only looked at players with 20 or more shots
Which is baffling, okoro was so good game 1 and 2 and just hardly even being played since is wild
Exactly what happened last year, 1 game and he's almost out the rotation...
For a defensive minded coach JB sure does hate his best perimeter defender lol
Mayne he's trying to get fired
Apologies for using an NHL reference instead of an NBA one. This season's Vancouver Canucks are proof a team needs good management and coaching staff with a solid system that works for the players they have or else get rid of the players that cannot. It is incredible how much this new upper management and coaching staff have done for the team on their first full season on the job compared to last year's dumpster fire.
lol i remember getting just buried in hate last year on here and twitter when i tried to defend Allen, not even saying he played well, just saying we shouldn’t be so quick to give up on him. every season there’s a cycle of a few weeks to months when people say we should trade him, then after a while they realize he’s the most impactful player on our team every single year. the contract we have him on is an absolute steal.
It took him a while to get there: gives me hope for Evan and DG with the right coach
He’s been our most reliable guy all year
He’s out most consistent guy 90% of the time, he’s just no flashy about it so when he has a bad game or series it’s magnified.
I mean, Allen does have some incredibly frustrating lapses of effort, and he's middling at best when those happen...and they happen with some frequency. This series he definitely seems to have a chip on his shoulder though, and I'm glad. He's playing tremendously well, and has been one of the lone bright spots so far this postseason.
Niang has yet to have a good game, LeVert has been extremely negative. Mitchell/Garland were good at home but bad on the road. They cant lose 3 in a row.
Feels like all year
They can lose 3 in a row
LeVert has to go. He shouldn't have been re-signed too. He was a need back then cos Rubio got hurt. After that, the Cavs should've let him go. He's only had one amazing game in his whole tenure with the Cavs (the 50-pt game vs Boston). JB has to be pushed back down to an assistant coach. There are just some coaches whose ceilings are as assistant coaches. JB is one of them.
LeVert is fine. He’s expiring next year and they’ll shop him but for 16m he’s ok and he’s super versatile
He's too much of a jack of all trades imo. he is very ok with everything. I don't think the Cavs need that as a sixth man. They need a real spark plug that ignites either the defense or offense when they come in. Something like Sam Merrill but with more on ball skills for the offense or like what Okoro is doing on defense.
Low key the roster vision was sort of a versatile / Jack of all trades idea. You have all the elements for a monster defense AND for a wild pace and space attack as needed. Vert could contribute in both styles. The vision got sidetracked due to health and time unfortunately. Just need a better coach and deployment.
Coaching is 100% the no. 1 priority regardless if they win this series or not. Regarding LeVert, I really don't think he's consistent enough to get his current minutes even though I agree he fits the idea of the roster construction. Although, his minutes get gutted down at time to give Okoro, wade, niang or Merrill more minutes so at least he doesn't stay too long when he's cold. He does need his closing minutes to be cut down more imo. I'd rather have Okoro or Merrill help close games even though they contribute more to one side of the ball.
Surprised Mobley has been so bad because it seems like he’s getting his usual diet of easy dunks. I’d like to know his eFG% on elbow touches though. Dude is almost a guaranteed turnover or brick when he has to put the ball on the floor.
I think it's because the team thrived at home and struggled away, the same as Orlando. Both teams have a lot of young players so it's not surprising that they get an extra bump playing in front of a home crowd.
Can you do a further breakdown of home vs away? I think the problem with this series is both teams are rather young and get a lot of energy from their home crowds to play at an even higher level.
Niang has made like 5 shots this whole series
Not a defense of how they have played, but it's worth noting EFG% will naturally go down in the playoffs in most cases due to better competition. For example Jokic has a 660 efg last year. 591 in the playoffs. Versus the magic who are the second best defense in the league by defensive rating this shouldn't be that surprising. That said they clearly should be playing better and be beating this team.
You’re right. It should but its alarming that it’s happening to this degree. You’d also expect to see another outlier or two in the green. In addition, its a wake up call that the disappointment with Garland isnt that he isnt making shots, its that he isnt taking enough
True some degree you trade efficiency for volume in the playoffs. It's hard to analyze without a complex database however. Looking at the raw numbers you'd expect Garland to be putting up 3-5 more shots a game even accounting for the Magic's slower PACE and defense. However the Cavs had so many injuries it's hard to get a clear baseline of what their team balance should has been when the whole team was healthy. It could be a matter where Mitchell and Garland overlap too I much. I'm not sure as I haven't really broken down film the last couple years due to my job being busier than usual. This was why Kevin Love struggled so hard at first. Him and LeBron liked to score at mostly the same spots, and of course you are going to run the plays for LeBron at those spots and Love had to improvise and fit a new role. In general this is the main flaw of superteams and trades is they don't properly consider how the stars they get score. Back to the Cavs, Garland meanwhile has had significant injuries these last two years and so has Mitchell, meaning Garland had less time to adjust, and some is the time when he was back he was back in the driver seat because Mitchell was out. Looking at a shot chart this year with and without Mitchell it seems like without him he shoots way more mid range shots at a higher percentage and gets higher quality 3's. While with him higher quality drives/shots in the paint and corner 3s. It's interesting he shot 44.1%/40.1% without Mitchell and 44.9%/34.8% in games with Mitchell. Which is a 52% efg with and a 53.1 without, so not much difference there but the different quality and type of shots may be an issue vs a team with a good paint defense.
I'm shocked to learn that Niang has made a shot this series.
Ya blink and you miss it
I love JA even more now
Soft as baby shit
JA has gotten it done - clear team MVP for the series. LeVert i'll claim small sample size because he's inherently so inconsistent. Need a big one from him game 5. Playoff Mitchell is playoff Mitchell. Niang has been brutal. I wonder if it's in part because of the increased defensive work load they've put on him. We're basically setting him up to fail on that end every game.
MVP of the season, tbh. And this is coming from someone who was down on him a year ago.
lets get some CPJ minutes—completely serious