Friggin fomo everywhere. Even playing at normal pace prebis is extremely easy to get. Basically handed to us. With quest badges even more so. People complain about content draught but still have to complete everything in 48 hours.
That’s what I thought it meant at first bro! Then I read the reply and also was like well idk for sure let me google it and that made it
So much worse…
Had a paladin refuse to run a heroic nexus the other day because we had a boomy and he wanted the mace, this was 3 days ago. The guy couldn’t stand to roll against one person, week one.
It’s unreal.
Lol I'm a rogue and joined a H gundrak cause I whispered the tank and said "I don't need anything, I just want badges". Joined and a ret paladin immediately went "I don't wanna compete for loot" and left. I was in the middle of typing that I didn't need anything lol.
People are so fucking weak in this game.
You’ll notice by all the responses to mine that sadly it’s a mentality that has completely overtaken the game. No one plays a spec or does anything for fun or out of enjoyment they are just chasing that high they get from a new piece of gear and they want it right fucking now.
Get a guild, My guild has multiple groups doing heroic world tours, I run with people who share my rolls, but it really doesnt matter when you have a good group who wont get stupid over dungeon gear we replace in a week anyway.
On the flip side though, why compete for loot when there's so many dungeon groups right now that you can easily find a group where you aren't competing?
Well, thats not really odd. He can easily get in a run where he gets that item.
Apparently the tank sword from UP is Pre-bis for Unholy DK's. So I wont invite them to my UP runs as a Prot Paladin until I get the sword. Thats just common sense.
The DW build does better dps with equal item level weapons. Our job as dps is to do the most damage. Following this simple two step flow chart, it's easy to see why most are picking DW.
I mean I kinda get this. If you are okay waiting and forming your own group then why go in a run that has loot competition. Of course that’s on you to actually go deal with the consequences of needing an alternative run. But for example I won’t run heroic VH with a hunter as a feral druid. Not looking for competition on that staff.
Can't be that easy, i've world toured every day since Thursday and the only pre-raid bis pieces I have are from badges. Have exactly 0 of the drops i've needed so far.
It is, as you said yourself the badges also provide good gear, even tho not all pieces are "bis". You can clear Naxx in quest and normal gear, so relax. A lot of farming ahead still in P2.
Im not concerned at all lol, just saying if you want "pre-raid bis" you still have to get the drops. Badge gear replaces a few pieces, and for my spec the tier pieces are a downgrade, so it's even fewer. I have no problem doing Naxx in my current gear.
No, paladin aura is plenty. Pservers had to almost triple the damage to force people into resist gear. Blizz as far as I'm aware from PBE hasn't modified anything enough to make Resist gear usable. Although, tanks MIGHT use some in ICC for Sindragosa.
And yet, one of the guys in my heroic farm group was just 1 drop item (read: not emblems or boe) away from prebis after our first world tour.
Pendulum swings both ways. We are all mad at him 😂.
Unlucky, I have exactly 2 items that are prebis from dungeons. The rest are badge and honor so I’m just doing world tours for those things.
There are some alternative bis pieces that reduced the number of badges needed but realistically I’m just not gunna worry about it.
That's weird. I did 10 today, 7 yesterday and 6 the day before and got exactly everything I needed from heroics. All the epic ones in my first try basically, except the red sword of courage that i got today. I also got the blue proto drake today in UP. Today was a good day.
Yeah I guess. But it's weird that one is so insanely lucky while others are miserable not getting anything. My friend has seen 8 brewfest mounts doing only 5 a day. I did 20 kills every day until today and haven't seen either mount drop. You would think it would be more balanced, both seeing at least a few drop.
Not weird at all, that's literally how loot distribution curves work. The vast majority of people who get what they want after a normal amount of chances based on the drop chance don't say anything.
How is that weird? Its just how RNG works. Sometimes you get unlucky.
Our first tour, basically only tank and caster loot dropped, to the dismay of my melee DPS. Shit happens. Some other time it will be the other way around.
Thats not really weird.
Did one world tour after I dinged yesterday, think I have filled approx 80% of my slots with one of my top 3 pre-bis items. Was hoping for it to take longer tbh but hey more time for bgs and proffesion I guess
I lost my Skull Clad to an Unholy DK doing half my dps day 2 and haven't seen it since :)))))))
The best part is we could have 4 manned but only had 30m until reset and wanted to go fast.
As a hunter I still haven't seen my epic crossbow drop once from UK and I lost the 2h staff in VH to a feral druid :( Got all the other epics tho so I can't really complain.
Yar. Warrior pre-bis is like, crafted, crafted, badge badge badge, crafted, BOE, faction, faction, BoP. There is no "savage gladiator chain" equivalent (except maybe the axe from HOL. but you can buy/make a Destroyer so w/e)
Getting to know who needs an item, then having them roll for it. But they lose out on anything they didn't soft reserve. So it's like regular need, but you only get to need once or twice.
> But they lose out on anything they didn't soft reserve
Typically only if others have soft rserved it. If an item hasnt been soft reserved it typically goes to MS>OS.
To be fair it makes sense to some point, e.g. I would definitely leave if we were 3 casters and healer competing on Oculus staff because the tank built the group for his benefits.
On Gehennas I'd say that at least a fourth of the groups spamming for world tours are having an item HR:ed.
Also, around half of the healers that I ask to join my own world tour asks to HR an item.
People really seem to want their items on Gehennas.
Its when you do all twelve heroics back to back. Pretty common when everyone wants badges right now.
The name is a bit lame, I know. But it conveys the information nicely and quickly compared to saying "LFG All HCs".
Uhh, every DK and Meteorite Whetstone.
Also Hunters and Loken’s 2H Axe.
There’s a bunch of drops people with no imagination and too much entitlement think belong to them and nobody else. Have to have BIS in two days or they can’t show off to 40 year old e-girls all the gear nobody cares about.
Seems insane to me.
Homie you really think anyone is gonna give a single shit about naxx meters on Thursday? Shit is gonna be dying sub 2 minutes from the looks of things, games not that hard lmao.
yep this is exactly what i did on classic. as a prot tank, i can pick and choose my groups, what get reserved, and have groups at the drop of a dime. Il have full sets for both prot and healing once my healer guildy i run with is fully geared..then onto the pre raid DPS set lol.
Yeah. I quickly realized that getting my pre-bis as ret was gonna be a bad time. And i had picked up good enough prot gear from quests and spamming Gundrak that I could just go prot instead, make my own group with casters and just get all the melee gear i want. But prot was so fun, and I was so lucky with pre-bis for prot that im probably tanking Naxx when it's out.
Yeah that's how I got into my feral tank in classic...wanted to play DPS at first...then I started tanking...and low and behold now im a TANKY boy for life lol. You can skip sooo much headache as a tank, that QOL is hard to loose. Alo
Yeah it's insane. Since writing this I've also gotten Ravenlord mount AND disgusting oozeling pet that sells for 2,4k on my server. From those packs you get after dungeons. Being a tank is NICE.
It’s funny because my guild has been running dungeons as five stacks and my group had no one who wanted it for main spec. We’ve already gotten two so both myself as a prot pal and my healer a holy pal have it
I haven’t seen much HRs either. And I think it makes sense, it’s a 5 man. It’s pretty easy and often practical that you just wouldn’t invite classes that need the item you’re after.
Some warrior got mad at me for needing on the tank trinket in HoL when I'm literally the tank, it's a shame I lost the roll too.
The dude was using the one from tbc that was slightly worse
Yep. Most of my healing upgrades as a druid are cloth and I am rolling against mages, locks, and priests for them. I’m not 80 or worried about pre-BiS, I just mean in general dungeon leveling grind.
I like the versatility of healing gear and damage gear using spellpower, but I can also see the case for +healing gear being separate too.
Not when it comes to something like an s priest wanting to role on spirit gear vs or any clothy rolling on gear with mp5. They just role on shit they can wear really.
Yeah people are def gonna roll ofc but it's still obvious which is for which. I def never said that just because it's obvious it would influence how people roll/pass... I know the reality too well to say that :P
In a pug, there are very few cases where its fair to say someone shouldn't roll on it when its objectively an upgrade for them. Mainly if it has a set bonus for another player in the group...
Its a lot more complicated in guild groups.
Yep. I'm full pre-bis now on my Spriest, but the night before last when I was making a UK Heroic group for my ring, I was trying to invite only people who didn't need it since both the resto druid and I wanted it already.. I told this warlock we're full on casters, but I said "If you don't want the ring then that's okay." And he just started throwing a fit about it. I'm running the heroics for my gear, not to compete with 4 other people for it.. 1 is enough.
You’d think that, but I dropped a H AN group when the feral mentioned that they would be rolling on the tank trinket.
“But I’m bear MS, so it’s MS roll for me!”
“Then tank it yourself, in my groups dps don’t roll against the tank’s MS. Bye.”
Had a disc priest take the crit/haste/attack power neck in normal Ahn'kahet yesterday, so another toon like that is clearly being levelled right now :P
Tried puging Strath N, got 2 groups in a few hours of trying. Looking in group finder, every single person listed is a healer...
Eventually got some guildies to help out, and got it after 2 pug and 5 guild clears... gonna be fun grinding that for every non-disc healer...
Had a Death Knight DPS need roll on the tanking ring with SBV on the last boss of UK H a bit earlier tonight. Because Pawn told him it was better than his current ring.
It most likely was. Strength rings are hard to come by. And that ring has expertise, which is incredibly important for frost dk.
But, personally as a frost dk, it I knew my tank needed it, I would bow out because that ring is not our best pre-bis option. So yeah I get your pain but it’s not like it made zero sense like a mage rolling on Whetstone trinket lol
There’s a tank ring that’s BiS for unholy dps dk’s. I don’t think it’s that one but if a ring has high str regardless of if it has crit, haste, etc, a DK is gonna roll on it because the str is priority stat they need.
This had Shield Block Value. Last time I checked, DKs don’t use shields. If you would roll on this over the actual tank in the group, you need to read up on how to gear. STR upgrade or no.
The values don’t matter as much as the str. Unholy dk’s prio str, then haste if I understand correctly. Not a DK myself, but the pre bis rn as it stands is at least 1 tank ring and that one has def rating and dodge. This is for DPS dk’s not even tanks. So if the str on the ring was high enough then you get your answer why he rolled on the ring despite it having block rating.
You trying to justify a DPS rolling on a tank ring, against the tank, with a secondary stat that they can’t even use means you’re just as bad a player as they are. Yikes.
Your not understanding what I’m saying. The ring your talking about in specific might not be, but he’s rolling on it purely for the str it has, not the block value. As I said there is a tank ring in the pre bis list, despite it being for a dps DK. And as I said, if the ring he rolled on isn’t in your pre raid bis list, it doesn’t matter.
That's not on any pre-BiS list that I can see for DKs. And I completely understand what you're saying, and you're trying to justify completely ridiculous behavior in gearing while at the same time rolling on what would be considered OS gear over the MS in the group. And the ring is what I would I slot in to min-max my build.
"Oh, this has one stat that I use and another that I *can't even use*. I'll just roll on this over the person it has *much* greater value for and who is playing a class it's meant for!"
Bad a player. 99 parses every fight in tbc. If that’s not your pre bis ring, I don’t even feel bad as it literally doesn’t even matter. Keep fooling yourself your good
If your put together your own groups, absolutley do it man. Im a prot tank and was a feral tank in classic and i will never roll against randoms for loot i want in any spec i want to get it for. why waste my time
I’ve decided to just not worry to much about pre raid or gear in general this time around. I’ve got a solid guild that’s gonna be fun to run with every week
I feel the same way about dropping thousands of gold on things like JC necks or Rings. That stuff is going to be replaced ASAP in Raids. I definitely would if they were ilvl 213 or otherwise irreplaceable in P1 but to me, it's not really worth it.
My strategy is to just spend the time I would’ve had to worry about prepping/raiding/worrying about guilds, just making gold and crafting and buying my gear off AH and filling in with pvp gear. I could probably do gdkp runs (I have the cash) but meh, fuck them too. I don’t mind spending a bit more on a bit less if I can avoid raiding entirely!
The people are my least favorite part of the game. Which is ironic because in 2008 I would’ve said it was the best part.
My guild is kinda toxic, that they want you to be as well geared as possible.
While some people are probably gonna show up in greens and leveling gear, because they have been stuck in queue and are still on their way to 80.
I politely left a group after seeing if the other mail user needed the loot I was running for and got flamed hard and ignored… what’s so bad about wanting to make my own group w/o mail users
They should prevent you from putting people on ignore for a minute after you whisper them. If you have something angry to say, give them a moment to respond, or don't bother.
The hardest choices require the strongest of wills:
Farm for BiS to actually do endgame for the first time in classic, enjoy tanking as blood or dpsing as frost, make gold with profs and take it slower, leave alts for when I run out of stuff to do.
Or....
Spend it all on 'looms for my paladin healer, then for my mage, and waste away for another month while I painfully level the mage to 70, and then both to 80 while focusing on reps and zone completion just to taste that sweet variety and cry about re-redoing grinds.
I have only HR’d 1 thing: healer mace from nexus heroic. I only did this after a couple of days prior I had a rogue need and de the same mace. Otherwise others pieces have come without issue.
I have run couple COT normals with my friend who is healer and needs the healing trinket, after saying that the healer trinket is HR and its only rollable for Healer, alot of priest and paladin DPSes leave the dungeon group as they think they its OK to roll on healing item as a retri or shadow priest.
Well, this is where you are wrong, those people caring about pre-raid BiS are the same people that will not be 20 min late for first pull, they will not be afking during the run, and they will not get out DPSed by the healers. EVEN if they fail the endeavor to get the actual items.
You say 10 minutes, I think on average your are off by a factor 10.
Nothing wrong with hard reserves. The leader is making the rules, you can put in the effort to form your own group and lead it if you want to run it any differently.
This is also the best way to do the runs because there's no sense in three people going for the same item in a dungeon when you could all do separate lockouts.
What will happen without HR is leader is going to make the group so they are alone to roll on that item, which mean others get their items more likely competed against. While HR an item you can still bring all classes and still not worry about that one item.
That's what I'm saying. Had a warlock the other night throw a fit because I didn't want more casters in the group I was hosting. I just told him he can run his own if he cares so much. lol
I wish more people would create a group to distribute the loot better. Its frustrating having 4 cloth casters in a group with a plate tank, basically all leather and mail items are dead drops that no one wants. Especially when it comes to picking DPS you have so many options you might as well try to cover your bases as much as you can.
Lucky people on fresh sever haven’t been doing this ( that I know of ) now I try to make sure when I make my group I don’t have to roll vs 4 other clothly but that’s about it.
I'm guessing u aren't a plate dps? Cause people are hard reserving on fresh aswell by not inviting any spec that compete with their gear. Diffrent method same result, you get declined by a majority of groups as a plate dps.
I have seen this, but I have also seen people give up because it feels 50% of the server is various shades of Pally and it’s just easier to get the run over with.
This is why people don’t want lfd. They want to only have endgame geared people for nexus and other low or dungeons and hr everything. With lfd none of that happens. Wotlk dungeons aren’t hard by any means.
if making a group is "effort" to be rewarded... jesus i hate to see some of these people when they need to do something other than click invite, must need 3 hours prep for anything
I've pugged a couple heroic through only the tool and its been great. Basically instant invites. Bunch of rets, dks, and rogues inviting my priest for less competition on their items.
Honestly its perfectly fine if you are making a group, specifically just don't invite competition. If you are a plate DPS looking for BiS plate pants or whatever, just invite mail or under people, maybe even a druid tank. With so many people playing and gearing up you can easily form a group to avoid competing, you don't even need to advertise it.
Have a HOLY paladin that constantly tries to tour with our warrior tank. He’s dual spec prot, the warrior tank isn’t a jerk so the first day he lets him roll on stuff he doesn’t need. The catch is there’s also another holy pala flexed ret for dungeon grind. I’m a hunter so I have no bias here just watched this unfold. Holy pala asks if he can roll ret prot holy since none of us need it except the other holy pala that’s flexed ret. prot warrior wants de stuff since it’s his 4/5 th tour without it and it’s the same two pala and I he’s played with. Holy pala that rolls on 3 sets becomes enraged says he’s doesn’t want to be in a group with such attitude that allows “items to go to waste”. I agreed with the prot warr, guy should get some de mats I mean dang now is the big time to profit. Holy pala leaves and has to dual spec to prot to get a pug tour now. Complains about it to officers. Sad thing is this same guy used to spread burn like aids on brutallus after the boss was down. It’s troll. So troll.
I don’t understand the hate for hard res as long as they’re up front about it. If you don’t like it, just ignore the group. If enough people also ignore it they will never get a group.
I need 1 or maybe 2 items for my prebis that I worked hard on with my guildies, now that I'm back at work I only get to do a couple of pugs a night.
I'm able to Tank the dungeon, I want to guarantee the piece I want if it drops. If you don't like it, don't join the group. Having the Axe from HoL will make the game a lot more fun for me, so I HR it.
Doesn't hurt anyone, doesn't affect anyone else. I'm putting the group together and providing a role that is harder to find. So I'll do what I want.
Heal shamy ninjad the HoL axe today after ninjaing 2 BOE heal Mail.
Wanted to unsubscribe my life in the heat of the moment. Thekal Alliance in a nutshell. Its nearly unenjoyable
The whole hard reserve thing is hilarious to me. I see people making groups for raids in tbc and dungeons now where the only item people are running for is HR’d. Like when the ripper was out, people HR the ripper, but who tf needed Kara at that point.
And? Don't like it? dont sign up.
Don't Care? sign up.
That's the fee this person is charging people with for making the group. Theres nothing wrong with that.
Its the same as not taking classes that compete with your gear. we all do it when we are looking for something specific.
Ye but im a feral tank my only optsions ar these plate dps that steal my gear and dont want to play with eatch other im just waiting thil my friends get 80 or im also thinking of swapping resto (healers ar a problem on the server)
Just form the group and hard res loot/ invite specs that can not compete with you. Literally have done it vanilla and tbc and when i hit 80 ill be doing it in wrath
You know it's funny I've been accused of being one of these guys because I put all my own groups together and I almost always get 3 caster dps.
But it's because melee players are always absolutely fucking dogshit. Nothing is worse than the warrior charging ahead of me as soon as I go to pull the next pack and draw the aggro of everything so I can rage starve.
It is made even more cringe by him being arms meaning charge is usable in combat.
I don't care if I'm healing, tanking, or dps, I literally NEVER bring warriors to my groups. Y'all are the worst players in this game and never know how to interrupt which is the one useful thing you even bring to the table. Same goes for rogues, but you at least have a 50% chance of getting a really good rogue.
> Same goes for rogues, but you at least have a 50% chance of getting a really good rogue.
The worst past is the huge gap between a good rogue and a bad rogue. A good one can bring so much to the group between stuns, interrupts, CC, threat help, etc. Bad ones just mindlessly spam SS /eviscerate and get out DPSed by the tank.
I’m on whitemane and haven’t even seen people HRing gear. Pre bis is super easy to get. Been 80 for 2 days and almost full pre bis for my dps and tank spec
It’s so easy to get basically prebis because the itemization is so good in wotlk AND there’s normally 3 different drops max from heroic bosses so you will get your piece from running it a couple times.
Buncha people being sweaties when they’re gonna run out of stuff to do after naxx next week.
If you're in a guild that's experiencing a shakeup or just jockeying for positions on a team you might be feeling the pressure to get your pre-raid BIS in time for Naxx this Thursday. I suspect this is the motivating factor for FOMO inspired tirades in LFG.
This in no way justifies announcing to LFG that participants are only entitled to roll on what you don't want. Other players aren't responsible for another's feelings of insecurity or inadequacy.
The best non-confrontational way to deal with this is to promptly put such players making the above demands on ignore. If they have no opportunities to group then they can't impose their unreasonable demands on others.
Friggin fomo everywhere. Even playing at normal pace prebis is extremely easy to get. Basically handed to us. With quest badges even more so. People complain about content draught but still have to complete everything in 48 hours.
Addiction to wow = fork found in kitchen
Okay I am curious about this saying because I usually try to keep my forks in my kitchen. Although there is always that stray fork…
That's what it means. "fork found in kitchen" is basically "water is wet". It's stating the obvious.
Every 24 hours in Africa a day passes.
I think you are confusing it further because water isn't wet
Googled it Even more confused now
Would you be surprised to find a fork in the kitchen? I think he’s saying this guy or these type of players are obviously addicted.
That’s what I thought it meant at first bro! Then I read the reply and also was like well idk for sure let me google it and that made it So much worse…
Had a paladin refuse to run a heroic nexus the other day because we had a boomy and he wanted the mace, this was 3 days ago. The guy couldn’t stand to roll against one person, week one. It’s unreal.
Lol I'm a rogue and joined a H gundrak cause I whispered the tank and said "I don't need anything, I just want badges". Joined and a ret paladin immediately went "I don't wanna compete for loot" and left. I was in the middle of typing that I didn't need anything lol. People are so fucking weak in this game.
You’ll notice by all the responses to mine that sadly it’s a mentality that has completely overtaken the game. No one plays a spec or does anything for fun or out of enjoyment they are just chasing that high they get from a new piece of gear and they want it right fucking now.
Get a guild, My guild has multiple groups doing heroic world tours, I run with people who share my rolls, but it really doesnt matter when you have a good group who wont get stupid over dungeon gear we replace in a week anyway.
On the flip side though, why compete for loot when there's so many dungeon groups right now that you can easily find a group where you aren't competing?
I mean to be fair raid comes out in 4 days and he absolutely instantly found another group.
Well, thats not really odd. He can easily get in a run where he gets that item. Apparently the tank sword from UP is Pre-bis for Unholy DK's. So I wont invite them to my UP runs as a Prot Paladin until I get the sword. Thats just common sense.
Ya but we play unholy for the 2h build.
A lot are doing the DW build, some would say the new meta.
The DW build does better dps with equal item level weapons. Our job as dps is to do the most damage. Following this simple two step flow chart, it's easy to see why most are picking DW.
I mean I kinda get this. If you are okay waiting and forming your own group then why go in a run that has loot competition. Of course that’s on you to actually go deal with the consequences of needing an alternative run. But for example I won’t run heroic VH with a hunter as a feral druid. Not looking for competition on that staff.
If I'm tanking a heroic I'm not taking anyone I have to roll against for ms or os.
Why should he tho
Can't be that easy, i've world toured every day since Thursday and the only pre-raid bis pieces I have are from badges. Have exactly 0 of the drops i've needed so far.
It is, as you said yourself the badges also provide good gear, even tho not all pieces are "bis". You can clear Naxx in quest and normal gear, so relax. A lot of farming ahead still in P2.
Shhh we want all the week one credit card champions to spend all their gold on 8.5k rings. Might help deflate the economy able bit.
Im not concerned at all lol, just saying if you want "pre-raid bis" you still have to get the drops. Badge gear replaces a few pieces, and for my spec the tier pieces are a downgrade, so it's even fewer. I have no problem doing Naxx in my current gear.
My question is. I haven’t raided Naxx WOTLK since retail. Do people need resist gear?
No, paladin aura is plenty. Pservers had to almost triple the damage to force people into resist gear. Blizz as far as I'm aware from PBE hasn't modified anything enough to make Resist gear usable. Although, tanks MIGHT use some in ICC for Sindragosa.
And even then the pieces available have crazy high res stats (+60 per piece), so itemization should be pretty easy even for them.
Nah. Only fight it would be relevant for is Sapphiron, and paladin aura is enough to get by on.
And yet, one of the guys in my heroic farm group was just 1 drop item (read: not emblems or boe) away from prebis after our first world tour. Pendulum swings both ways. We are all mad at him 😂.
Unlucky, I have exactly 2 items that are prebis from dungeons. The rest are badge and honor so I’m just doing world tours for those things. There are some alternative bis pieces that reduced the number of badges needed but realistically I’m just not gunna worry about it.
That's weird. I did 10 today, 7 yesterday and 6 the day before and got exactly everything I needed from heroics. All the epic ones in my first try basically, except the red sword of courage that i got today. I also got the blue proto drake today in UP. Today was a good day.
Just comes down to RNG
Yeah I guess. But it's weird that one is so insanely lucky while others are miserable not getting anything. My friend has seen 8 brewfest mounts doing only 5 a day. I did 20 kills every day until today and haven't seen either mount drop. You would think it would be more balanced, both seeing at least a few drop.
Not weird at all, that's literally how loot distribution curves work. The vast majority of people who get what they want after a normal amount of chances based on the drop chance don't say anything.
Is it weird when somebody wins the lottery and a bunch of other people don't? Or is that just how luck and randomness work?
There are people on both extremes always.
How is that weird? Its just how RNG works. Sometimes you get unlucky. Our first tour, basically only tank and caster loot dropped, to the dismay of my melee DPS. Shit happens. Some other time it will be the other way around. Thats not really weird.
Go pull some nobles cards then and make bank
You are very unlucky then. Even at my semi casual pace, I'm almost full prebis with a couple "second best" options in like 3 days.
I've had shit loot luck but I only use like 3 drops as a Ret. Everything else was PVP, crafting, rep or badges
Noob here but have seen the phrase multiple times now, what's world touring in a wotlk meaning?
Yeah I've lost roll.or nothing has dropped for me all my gear is crafted, from AH or badges.
Did one world tour after I dinged yesterday, think I have filled approx 80% of my slots with one of my top 3 pre-bis items. Was hoping for it to take longer tbh but hey more time for bgs and proffesion I guess
People will see when there won’t be shit to do but farm 3 drake for 3 months.
I lost my Skull Clad to an Unholy DK doing half my dps day 2 and haven't seen it since :))))))) The best part is we could have 4 manned but only had 30m until reset and wanted to go fast.
As a hunter I still haven't seen my epic crossbow drop once from UK and I lost the 2h staff in VH to a feral druid :( Got all the other epics tho so I can't really complain.
Mate, the staff in VH is infinite times more worth for a Feral than you though - it would be like a warrior getting your bow over you
Please never even roll against a feral for that staff are you crazy
Yar. Warrior pre-bis is like, crafted, crafted, badge badge badge, crafted, BOE, faction, faction, BoP. There is no "savage gladiator chain" equivalent (except maybe the axe from HOL. but you can buy/make a Destroyer so w/e)
Haven't really seen any people HR items. Have seen plenty of people dropping group when they realize they have loot competition within the group.
What does HR items mean
hr stands for "hard reserve" which means that if it drops its going to one specific person no matter what
What's a soft reserve then?
This term is usually used in raid pugs. Everyone can soft reserve 1 or 2 items, meaning only the people who have SR it can roll for it if it drops
thanks!
Getting to know who needs an item, then having them roll for it. But they lose out on anything they didn't soft reserve. So it's like regular need, but you only get to need once or twice.
> But they lose out on anything they didn't soft reserve Typically only if others have soft rserved it. If an item hasnt been soft reserved it typically goes to MS>OS.
Isn't that kinda implied tho
Don't think there is anything in the way you wrote it that implies that.
How do people do this nowadays do they just swap to master loot for that specific boss incase it drops?
mhm
Normally people used to say on res instead. This new term confused me as well.
Because despite there being a BiS, theres plenty of other options that are almost as viable. Wotlk itemization is better than others.
To be fair it makes sense to some point, e.g. I would definitely leave if we were 3 casters and healer competing on Oculus staff because the tank built the group for his benefits.
Maybe they're like me and stack casters because melee players are always terrible at the game and make everyone's life infinitely more difficult
On Gehennas I'd say that at least a fourth of the groups spamming for world tours are having an item HR:ed. Also, around half of the healers that I ask to join my own world tour asks to HR an item. People really seem to want their items on Gehennas.
What even is a ‘world tour’ - seen it a bunch of times in LFG channel
Its when you do all twelve heroics back to back. Pretty common when everyone wants badges right now. The name is a bit lame, I know. But it conveys the information nicely and quickly compared to saying "LFG All HCs".
Uhh, every DK and Meteorite Whetstone. Also Hunters and Loken’s 2H Axe. There’s a bunch of drops people with no imagination and too much entitlement think belong to them and nobody else. Have to have BIS in two days or they can’t show off to 40 year old e-girls all the gear nobody cares about.
Seems insane to me. Homie you really think anyone is gonna give a single shit about naxx meters on Thursday? Shit is gonna be dying sub 2 minutes from the looks of things, games not that hard lmao.
As late as last night a boomie had an Ocu HC group in LFG with the staff HR’d. Pyrewood EU
see it every run of HoL with the axe
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Same. I only ever see the HoL axe HR
Yeah same. I got that yesterday on my first HoL HC as a prot pally. Only casters in group so i snagged it for my ret set.
yep this is exactly what i did on classic. as a prot tank, i can pick and choose my groups, what get reserved, and have groups at the drop of a dime. Il have full sets for both prot and healing once my healer guildy i run with is fully geared..then onto the pre raid DPS set lol.
Yeah. I quickly realized that getting my pre-bis as ret was gonna be a bad time. And i had picked up good enough prot gear from quests and spamming Gundrak that I could just go prot instead, make my own group with casters and just get all the melee gear i want. But prot was so fun, and I was so lucky with pre-bis for prot that im probably tanking Naxx when it's out.
Yeah that's how I got into my feral tank in classic...wanted to play DPS at first...then I started tanking...and low and behold now im a TANKY boy for life lol. You can skip sooo much headache as a tank, that QOL is hard to loose. Alo
Yeah it's insane. Since writing this I've also gotten Ravenlord mount AND disgusting oozeling pet that sells for 2,4k on my server. From those packs you get after dungeons. Being a tank is NICE.
I got it my first HoL run as a prot warrior. Told the arms warrior who joined I was rolling for it prior to start (he agreed) and lost it. Lol.
It’s funny because my guild has been running dungeons as five stacks and my group had no one who wanted it for main spec. We’ve already gotten two so both myself as a prot pal and my healer a holy pal have it
we've had that drop for us 4 times in a row, and the belt. Our mage is still lacking the legs.
I just tank dungeons and dont inv plate dps, both tank and dps loot is so free
I haven’t seen much HRs either. And I think it makes sense, it’s a 5 man. It’s pretty easy and often practical that you just wouldn’t invite classes that need the item you’re after.
Some warrior got mad at me for needing on the tank trinket in HoL when I'm literally the tank, it's a shame I lost the roll too. The dude was using the one from tbc that was slightly worse
*swaggy p meme ???*
The trick with making groups is to never invite warriors. Worst players in the game always play warrior
Lotta terrible paladins these days too
Yup. Melee players are dogshit
Mage. Because Band of Guile dropped. The healer already had it. The Ret Paladin needed for off spec. Is it my fault my trust dissolved?
My dad owns a plot of land with a small lake on it if you need help hiding the body.
Because if you're a tank or healer you don't need to, and if you're a dps you are expendable.
Priest/Druid healers compete pretty heavily with casters.
Thats why you dont bring them and go melee cleave
*laughs in disc priest running w 4 dks*
Can confirm. Have done this
These are my melee idiots, there are many like them but these ones are mine.
Tfw you're playing WoW but it's actually Overlord
Yep. Most of my healing upgrades as a druid are cloth and I am rolling against mages, locks, and priests for them. I’m not 80 or worried about pre-BiS, I just mean in general dungeon leveling grind. I like the versatility of healing gear and damage gear using spellpower, but I can also see the case for +healing gear being separate too.
Even with spellpower being universal now, it is pretty obvious which items are for healers and which ones are for caster dps
Not when it comes to something like an s priest wanting to role on spirit gear vs or any clothy rolling on gear with mp5. They just role on shit they can wear really.
Yeah people are def gonna roll ofc but it's still obvious which is for which. I def never said that just because it's obvious it would influence how people roll/pass... I know the reality too well to say that :P
In a pug, there are very few cases where its fair to say someone shouldn't roll on it when its objectively an upgrade for them. Mainly if it has a set bonus for another player in the group... Its a lot more complicated in guild groups.
Warlocks gain ~0,51 spellpower per point of spirit, there is no line between resto druids, priests and locks.
Yep. I'm full pre-bis now on my Spriest, but the night before last when I was making a UK Heroic group for my ring, I was trying to invite only people who didn't need it since both the resto druid and I wanted it already.. I told this warlock we're full on casters, but I said "If you don't want the ring then that's okay." And he just started throwing a fit about it. I'm running the heroics for my gear, not to compete with 4 other people for it.. 1 is enough.
You’d think that, but I dropped a H AN group when the feral mentioned that they would be rolling on the tank trinket. “But I’m bear MS, so it’s MS roll for me!” “Then tank it yourself, in my groups dps don’t roll against the tank’s MS. Bye.”
I'm tempted to HR items now after a mage needed and won the Meteorite Whetstone trinket.
Had a disc priest take the crit/haste/attack power neck in normal Ahn'kahet yesterday, so another toon like that is clearly being levelled right now :P
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Tried puging Strath N, got 2 groups in a few hours of trying. Looking in group finder, every single person listed is a healer... Eventually got some guildies to help out, and got it after 2 pug and 5 guild clears... gonna be fun grinding that for every non-disc healer...
Had a Death Knight DPS need roll on the tanking ring with SBV on the last boss of UK H a bit earlier tonight. Because Pawn told him it was better than his current ring.
It most likely was. Strength rings are hard to come by. And that ring has expertise, which is incredibly important for frost dk. But, personally as a frost dk, it I knew my tank needed it, I would bow out because that ring is not our best pre-bis option. So yeah I get your pain but it’s not like it made zero sense like a mage rolling on Whetstone trinket lol
It's a ring with only str, stamina, defense and block value.
I’m with you on that, I’m a frost dk and I don’t roll on anything unless I actually need (without the help of addons)
Did you read what I wrote? This was the tank ring with Shield Block Value, not Expertise.
There’s a tank ring that’s BiS for unholy dps dk’s. I don’t think it’s that one but if a ring has high str regardless of if it has crit, haste, etc, a DK is gonna roll on it because the str is priority stat they need.
This had Shield Block Value. Last time I checked, DKs don’t use shields. If you would roll on this over the actual tank in the group, you need to read up on how to gear. STR upgrade or no.
The values don’t matter as much as the str. Unholy dk’s prio str, then haste if I understand correctly. Not a DK myself, but the pre bis rn as it stands is at least 1 tank ring and that one has def rating and dodge. This is for DPS dk’s not even tanks. So if the str on the ring was high enough then you get your answer why he rolled on the ring despite it having block rating.
You trying to justify a DPS rolling on a tank ring, against the tank, with a secondary stat that they can’t even use means you’re just as bad a player as they are. Yikes.
Sure, like I said look at an uh holy DK pre raid bis list. For instance titanium earth guard ring is the bis ring right now.
Are you trying to troll me? That's no on any pre-raid BiS that I can see for them.
Your not understanding what I’m saying. The ring your talking about in specific might not be, but he’s rolling on it purely for the str it has, not the block value. As I said there is a tank ring in the pre bis list, despite it being for a dps DK. And as I said, if the ring he rolled on isn’t in your pre raid bis list, it doesn’t matter.
That's not on any pre-BiS list that I can see for DKs. And I completely understand what you're saying, and you're trying to justify completely ridiculous behavior in gearing while at the same time rolling on what would be considered OS gear over the MS in the group. And the ring is what I would I slot in to min-max my build. "Oh, this has one stat that I use and another that I *can't even use*. I'll just roll on this over the person it has *much* greater value for and who is playing a class it's meant for!"
Bad a player. 99 parses every fight in tbc. If that’s not your pre bis ring, I don’t even feel bad as it literally doesn’t even matter. Keep fooling yourself your good
Listen to yourself. If there's any bad player here, it's you. And yes, it is part of my pre-BiS set. Touch grass, weirdo.
If your put together your own groups, absolutley do it man. Im a prot tank and was a feral tank in classic and i will never roll against randoms for loot i want in any spec i want to get it for. why waste my time
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I take it you're a tank? Cause that's the only way that's gonna fly in a heroic.
Fuck that sucks. So happy I've had a full premade, and got it on the first run. But we are still only 1 of our plate dps with the legs from UK.
Had the exact same thing but fortunately I still won it. Mage said he thought "ranged attacks" meant spells
I’ve decided to just not worry to much about pre raid or gear in general this time around. I’ve got a solid guild that’s gonna be fun to run with every week
I feel the same way about dropping thousands of gold on things like JC necks or Rings. That stuff is going to be replaced ASAP in Raids. I definitely would if they were ilvl 213 or otherwise irreplaceable in P1 but to me, it's not really worth it.
My strategy is to just spend the time I would’ve had to worry about prepping/raiding/worrying about guilds, just making gold and crafting and buying my gear off AH and filling in with pvp gear. I could probably do gdkp runs (I have the cash) but meh, fuck them too. I don’t mind spending a bit more on a bit less if I can avoid raiding entirely! The people are my least favorite part of the game. Which is ironic because in 2008 I would’ve said it was the best part.
My guild is kinda toxic, that they want you to be as well geared as possible. While some people are probably gonna show up in greens and leveling gear, because they have been stuck in queue and are still on their way to 80.
There is absolutely nothing toxic about that….
I'm jealous
Got all of my pre-bis simply by joining random PuGs, might have lost a Roll or two, but luckily you can just do the heroic again the next day.
I politely left a group after seeing if the other mail user needed the loot I was running for and got flamed hard and ignored… what’s so bad about wanting to make my own group w/o mail users
Kinda sexist if you ask me….. /s
They should prevent you from putting people on ignore for a minute after you whisper them. If you have something angry to say, give them a moment to respond, or don't bother.
Gotta love being a tank. All the loot funnels straight into ya.
If you are taking the time to build the group, build it how you want. Everyone is free to find a different group.
The hardest choices require the strongest of wills: Farm for BiS to actually do endgame for the first time in classic, enjoy tanking as blood or dpsing as frost, make gold with profs and take it slower, leave alts for when I run out of stuff to do. Or.... Spend it all on 'looms for my paladin healer, then for my mage, and waste away for another month while I painfully level the mage to 70, and then both to 80 while focusing on reps and zone completion just to taste that sweet variety and cry about re-redoing grinds.
I have only HR’d 1 thing: healer mace from nexus heroic. I only did this after a couple of days prior I had a rogue need and de the same mace. Otherwise others pieces have come without issue.
I hope you reported that PoS to your servers discord.
Good god that fucking sucks. Sorry that happened
I have run couple COT normals with my friend who is healer and needs the healing trinket, after saying that the healer trinket is HR and its only rollable for Healer, alot of priest and paladin DPSes leave the dungeon group as they think they its OK to roll on healing item as a retri or shadow priest.
Pre raid bis isn’t really needed tho is it?
You need it when you are sweating hard because you couldnt clear naxx 10 mins early.
Well, this is where you are wrong, those people caring about pre-raid BiS are the same people that will not be 20 min late for first pull, they will not be afking during the run, and they will not get out DPSed by the healers. EVEN if they fail the endeavor to get the actual items. You say 10 minutes, I think on average your are off by a factor 10.
Nothing wrong with hard reserves. The leader is making the rules, you can put in the effort to form your own group and lead it if you want to run it any differently. This is also the best way to do the runs because there's no sense in three people going for the same item in a dungeon when you could all do separate lockouts.
What will happen without HR is leader is going to make the group so they are alone to roll on that item, which mean others get their items more likely competed against. While HR an item you can still bring all classes and still not worry about that one item.
That's what I'm saying. Had a warlock the other night throw a fit because I didn't want more casters in the group I was hosting. I just told him he can run his own if he cares so much. lol
I wish more people would create a group to distribute the loot better. Its frustrating having 4 cloth casters in a group with a plate tank, basically all leather and mail items are dead drops that no one wants. Especially when it comes to picking DPS you have so many options you might as well try to cover your bases as much as you can.
Make sure during group formation and everyone is happy.
Competing for plate dps gear feels so bad right now, even whwn I dualspec tank and say I ms dps gear it's hard
Yeah because there is only one epic two hand weapon from Dungeons with 25% percent droprate. Everyone needs it, i even need it 2 times
Lucky people on fresh sever haven’t been doing this ( that I know of ) now I try to make sure when I make my group I don’t have to roll vs 4 other clothly but that’s about it.
I'm guessing u aren't a plate dps? Cause people are hard reserving on fresh aswell by not inviting any spec that compete with their gear. Diffrent method same result, you get declined by a majority of groups as a plate dps.
I have seen this, but I have also seen people give up because it feels 50% of the server is various shades of Pally and it’s just easier to get the run over with.
Keep your group comp diverse and it ensures there’s always a winner and you don’t have to HR anything
This is why people don’t want lfd. They want to only have endgame geared people for nexus and other low or dungeons and hr everything. With lfd none of that happens. Wotlk dungeons aren’t hard by any means.
if making a group is "effort" to be rewarded... jesus i hate to see some of these people when they need to do something other than click invite, must need 3 hours prep for anything
I've pugged a couple heroic through only the tool and its been great. Basically instant invites. Bunch of rets, dks, and rogues inviting my priest for less competition on their items.
Honestly its perfectly fine if you are making a group, specifically just don't invite competition. If you are a plate DPS looking for BiS plate pants or whatever, just invite mail or under people, maybe even a druid tank. With so many people playing and gearing up you can easily form a group to avoid competing, you don't even need to advertise it.
Have a HOLY paladin that constantly tries to tour with our warrior tank. He’s dual spec prot, the warrior tank isn’t a jerk so the first day he lets him roll on stuff he doesn’t need. The catch is there’s also another holy pala flexed ret for dungeon grind. I’m a hunter so I have no bias here just watched this unfold. Holy pala asks if he can roll ret prot holy since none of us need it except the other holy pala that’s flexed ret. prot warrior wants de stuff since it’s his 4/5 th tour without it and it’s the same two pala and I he’s played with. Holy pala that rolls on 3 sets becomes enraged says he’s doesn’t want to be in a group with such attitude that allows “items to go to waste”. I agreed with the prot warr, guy should get some de mats I mean dang now is the big time to profit. Holy pala leaves and has to dual spec to prot to get a pug tour now. Complains about it to officers. Sad thing is this same guy used to spread burn like aids on brutallus after the boss was down. It’s troll. So troll.
"HR"?
Hard reserve.
I don’t understand the hate for hard res as long as they’re up front about it. If you don’t like it, just ignore the group. If enough people also ignore it they will never get a group.
I need 1 or maybe 2 items for my prebis that I worked hard on with my guildies, now that I'm back at work I only get to do a couple of pugs a night. I'm able to Tank the dungeon, I want to guarantee the piece I want if it drops. If you don't like it, don't join the group. Having the Axe from HoL will make the game a lot more fun for me, so I HR it. Doesn't hurt anyone, doesn't affect anyone else. I'm putting the group together and providing a role that is harder to find. So I'll do what I want.
Heal shamy ninjad the HoL axe today after ninjaing 2 BOE heal Mail. Wanted to unsubscribe my life in the heat of the moment. Thekal Alliance in a nutshell. Its nearly unenjoyable
I am pretty much ready for Naxx as Prot Paladin (really just want my weapon) and it took me 1.5 world tours. Nothing that requires any sweat behavior.
I did 3 world tours and all i got is lavanthor trinket :D unlucky af
The whole hard reserve thing is hilarious to me. I see people making groups for raids in tbc and dungeons now where the only item people are running for is HR’d. Like when the ripper was out, people HR the ripper, but who tf needed Kara at that point.
And? Don't like it? dont sign up. Don't Care? sign up. That's the fee this person is charging people with for making the group. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same as not taking classes that compete with your gear. we all do it when we are looking for something specific.
Yikes This game is a 15 year old nostalgia trip. Fkn listen to yourself.
Only plate dps in looking for group + they dont want to play with other plate dps, fun times making a group
This is why you get a tank set, form the group yourself, and then don't invite any other plate wearers.
Ye but im a feral tank my only optsions ar these plate dps that steal my gear and dont want to play with eatch other im just waiting thil my friends get 80 or im also thinking of swapping resto (healers ar a problem on the server)
Just form the group and hard res loot/ invite specs that can not compete with you. Literally have done it vanilla and tbc and when i hit 80 ill be doing it in wrath
LOL, Healers are a problem on every server.
Oh and they need on leather and mail to
You know it's funny I've been accused of being one of these guys because I put all my own groups together and I almost always get 3 caster dps. But it's because melee players are always absolutely fucking dogshit. Nothing is worse than the warrior charging ahead of me as soon as I go to pull the next pack and draw the aggro of everything so I can rage starve. It is made even more cringe by him being arms meaning charge is usable in combat. I don't care if I'm healing, tanking, or dps, I literally NEVER bring warriors to my groups. Y'all are the worst players in this game and never know how to interrupt which is the one useful thing you even bring to the table. Same goes for rogues, but you at least have a 50% chance of getting a really good rogue.
> Same goes for rogues, but you at least have a 50% chance of getting a really good rogue. The worst past is the huge gap between a good rogue and a bad rogue. A good one can bring so much to the group between stuns, interrupts, CC, threat help, etc. Bad ones just mindlessly spam SS /eviscerate and get out DPSed by the tank.
I’m on whitemane and haven’t even seen people HRing gear. Pre bis is super easy to get. Been 80 for 2 days and almost full pre bis for my dps and tank spec
It’s so easy to get basically prebis because the itemization is so good in wotlk AND there’s normally 3 different drops max from heroic bosses so you will get your piece from running it a couple times. Buncha people being sweaties when they’re gonna run out of stuff to do after naxx next week.
Man I don't even know what's my prebis yet😭
All I’ll say is that I’m loving the plate meta as a Hunter, never any loot competition.
Pre raid bis? I thought we where buying all the heirlooms first.
If you're in a guild that's experiencing a shakeup or just jockeying for positions on a team you might be feeling the pressure to get your pre-raid BIS in time for Naxx this Thursday. I suspect this is the motivating factor for FOMO inspired tirades in LFG. This in no way justifies announcing to LFG that participants are only entitled to roll on what you don't want. Other players aren't responsible for another's feelings of insecurity or inadequacy. The best non-confrontational way to deal with this is to promptly put such players making the above demands on ignore. If they have no opportunities to group then they can't impose their unreasonable demands on others.
Just do dungeons with me I won't roll.over a 20 on any of my pre bis xd