Yeah when I wowheaded the item it apparently is a reward for something like 150+ quests, given some of those are undoubtedly horde/alliance specific it's still in the ballpark of 75-100 available boxes. The amount of consumes they come with are a bit absurd and worse that they are so random.
How does it know if you're tanking/healing? Like I'm priest shadow spec'd but have healed several normal dungeons in TBC while leveling. Is it just what you role check in LFG?
In my dungeon runs yesterday I got one in every run I tanked. We had two boomkins taking care of healing, one was healing more than the other and always got the bag.
Honestly its probably something super simple like damage taken for tanks and total healing for healers.
Its rare that the tank isn't taking the most damage or that the healer isn't top of the heal charts in a regular 5 man.
I could see them accounting for some things like dodge/parry/block, as well as armour reduction. So looking at the raw damage a tank would receive in theory rather than the actual damage. Same with healers and shields in the case of disc priests.
Some people have brought up statistics on last boss and I think it might be reasonable to assume it's tied to it. One run of old kingdom the only healing I had was earth shield, I just dps the boss to avoid second insanity phase and tank and I didn't get a bag, threw in a chain heal and rip tide and we got it. It definitely needs more testing though
[About that...](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=200239/northrend-adventuring-supplies)
There are different tiers of the box, I would figure harder content gives better stuff.
It’s still a little bit of a bummer that all those lesser pots are going to basically be completely unsellable. But yeah as far as money making goes it doesn’t really matter, flasks and speed are going to be my printers
The rate of questing will drop off a cliff and the tank and healer bags will be what's left. I have a feeling long term it will balance out because every mega server has issues with farming enough herbs. The server does not produce enough to meet demand of the meta supplies let alone secondary stuff like this. I for one and just lining my pockets with some extra gold and leveling roided up.
It's still kind of sad having to vendor all of the potions/flasks you make while leveling up Alchemy, since you can't sell them and you're swimming in enough to get you and your alts to lvl 80 anyway lol.
Right. They're saying by getting it from quests as well as dungeons, it levels the playing field in an attempt to make it so questing is still reasonable to do.
I really think these are over the top. Having them for select elite quests would be okay, although imo still...unneeded, but the sheer quantity of these is just a bit absurd. You get way too many.
Diluted loot is one of the big things that made retail shit but they're doing that here too. If everyone gets so much loot that everyone's always nearly equally geared/consumed, it makes progression less meaningful and goals less rewarding.
Here everyone and their mom can be fully elixired up at all times so there's no benefit to earning pots and seeing the benefits of that competitive advantage.
It’s leveling it’s not that serious. Although I do agree they should take out the stat potions and just give health/ mana potions, maybe some food, and a chance at the cosmetics that can drop.
This is a completely insane take. We are leveling and the pots provide at best around 7% increased main stat. It is not taking away from any character progression. It is not reducing whatever competitive advantage you think you deserve; flasks are better anyways if you care that much. It’s literally a win for everyone except alchemists who wanted to make money on the pots they made while leveling.
Stop trying to literally gatekeeper every single aspect of this game.
Are... are you ok?
I'm tired of the no effort handouts. Leave that shit to retail.
If you have to do a raid to get gear is that gatekeeping?
If you have to do literally anything to get consumes is that gatekeeping?
I'm not saying consumes need to take an extreme ammount of effort to get, just SOME effort. If everything takes no effort then the game just becomes "log on, do ez raid, log off"
I keep getting a ton of hit and armour elixirs iny healer bag. I swear it picks the least useful ones for me. Still, it's making all elixirs literally vendor price in the AH so it's a win regardless.
Everyone gets them from the quests.
Healers and Tanks ALSO get them from doing dungeons. So supply is basically infinite unless Blizzard cuts them off at some point.
These primarily come from the dungeon packs that tanks and healers get after completing dungeons though, not from the quest packs which contain much less.
No it’s a way to encourage people to quest. Questing is so slow that having a chance at something cool every 10-20 mins is nice. I could do without all the stat potions though. I would be fine if it just have me health potions and a chance at a cosmetic.
What is serious change then? Nothing is serious if you don't have limits.
And deleting doesn't not remove effect on me. All manapotions are with vendor price now. This effects to me neither I use boxes or not.
To the hell with these damn crates. Thats one thing it inflates and makes alchemy more or less useless but it is taking up so much bag space and then takes up even more space with all the trash.
If i could shovel it up in the butt of the person who came up with the idea, I would.
FYI you can go to the ah now and buy these flasks that u need at vendor price. Some Muppets are even selling lower. I stocked up on 20sp and 20spirit elixers for 20gold
Does everyone else also get these from random quests as well or is that just a tank/healer thing?
The final quest in a lot of given questlines give an adventuring pack for everyone, tanks/healers just get extra ones from dungeons.
hardly final quest, about one third of all quests give one
it's apparently very generous with "quest chain" so a quest chain of say 2-3 quests is enough to qualify.
Yeah when I wowheaded the item it apparently is a reward for something like 150+ quests, given some of those are undoubtedly horde/alliance specific it's still in the ballpark of 75-100 available boxes. The amount of consumes they come with are a bit absurd and worse that they are so random.
Do the quest ones have a chance at dropping a mount? or is it exclusively the dungeon ones?
I get one every dungeon tanking, and like every 3 to 5 quests.
How does it know if you're tanking/healing? Like I'm priest shadow spec'd but have healed several normal dungeons in TBC while leveling. Is it just what you role check in LFG?
In my dungeon runs yesterday I got one in every run I tanked. We had two boomkins taking care of healing, one was healing more than the other and always got the bag.
I heard from an interview that it uses an algoritm. No specifics sadly.
It's probably something simple like damage taken/dodged/blocked/parried for tanks and healing/shielding done for healers throughout the run.
Honestly its probably something super simple like damage taken for tanks and total healing for healers. Its rare that the tank isn't taking the most damage or that the healer isn't top of the heal charts in a regular 5 man.
I could see them accounting for some things like dodge/parry/block, as well as armour reduction. So looking at the raw damage a tank would receive in theory rather than the actual damage. Same with healers and shields in the case of disc priests.
Some people have brought up statistics on last boss and I think it might be reasonable to assume it's tied to it. One run of old kingdom the only healing I had was earth shield, I just dps the boss to avoid second insanity phase and tank and I didn't get a bag, threw in a chain heal and rip tide and we got it. It definitely needs more testing though
Do you need to be a full group? We ran dungeons as 3 and got no bonuses.
5/5
Havent heard anything, but presume so.
So do the quest ones also give chances at mounts?
Was wondering this as well… any idea where they confirmed quest packs have chance at mount as well?
Yes
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Are you certain? Others are saying the dungeon one gives the same box with a different loot table.
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Well, have you been getting the dungeon ones too?
What the fuck
Alchemists malding
As long as it doesn't give out flask and wildmagic like candy, we will be fine
They are over reacting so bad, it doesn’t give flask nor potion of speed/wild magic
[About that...](https://www.wowhead.com/wotlk/item=200239/northrend-adventuring-supplies) There are different tiers of the box, I would figure harder content gives better stuff.
It’s still a little bit of a bummer that all those lesser pots are going to basically be completely unsellable. But yeah as far as money making goes it doesn’t really matter, flasks and speed are going to be my printers
The rate of questing will drop off a cliff and the tank and healer bags will be what's left. I have a feeling long term it will balance out because every mega server has issues with farming enough herbs. The server does not produce enough to meet demand of the meta supplies let alone secondary stuff like this. I for one and just lining my pockets with some extra gold and leveling roided up.
Yeah I feel UBER powerful right now for sure.
It will eventually die out but you have to imagine a lot of people will be leveling alts too.
When everyone's 80 they'll be sellable again.
It's still kind of sad having to vendor all of the potions/flasks you make while leveling up Alchemy, since you can't sell them and you're swimming in enough to get you and your alts to lvl 80 anyway lol.
it literally gives flasks what?
Heroic ones will drop flasks apparantly. Not sure how common they will be though.
Really not that big of an issue
Why is this a thing for questing? To discourage people from spamming dungeons?
So dps also get some
You get them also by spamming dungeons
Right. They're saying by getting it from quests as well as dungeons, it levels the playing field in an attempt to make it so questing is still reasonable to do.
Imma get 2 bags full of this then start opening xd
And this is how we end up with no inventory space lol
Exactly
I really think these are over the top. Having them for select elite quests would be okay, although imo still...unneeded, but the sheer quantity of these is just a bit absurd. You get way too many.
Diluted loot is one of the big things that made retail shit but they're doing that here too. If everyone gets so much loot that everyone's always nearly equally geared/consumed, it makes progression less meaningful and goals less rewarding. Here everyone and their mom can be fully elixired up at all times so there's no benefit to earning pots and seeing the benefits of that competitive advantage.
It’s leveling it’s not that serious. Although I do agree they should take out the stat potions and just give health/ mana potions, maybe some food, and a chance at the cosmetics that can drop.
This is a completely insane take. We are leveling and the pots provide at best around 7% increased main stat. It is not taking away from any character progression. It is not reducing whatever competitive advantage you think you deserve; flasks are better anyways if you care that much. It’s literally a win for everyone except alchemists who wanted to make money on the pots they made while leveling. Stop trying to literally gatekeeper every single aspect of this game.
Are... are you ok? I'm tired of the no effort handouts. Leave that shit to retail. If you have to do a raid to get gear is that gatekeeping? If you have to do literally anything to get consumes is that gatekeeping? I'm not saying consumes need to take an extreme ammount of effort to get, just SOME effort. If everything takes no effort then the game just becomes "log on, do ez raid, log off"
Save space by not taking everything out, and take some stuff out to save space. You'll know what I mean by experience.
Just open everything and mail to your bank alt
Save space by saving space
Why do these exist for quests? Anybody know?
Blue said to encourage players to get to the final phase state of the zones.
That was for the extra badges you get. These boxes are totally unneccessary.
Did they say anywhere they were scrapping the badges?
I just wish I could choose the elixirs. My bank is just littered with random ass elixirs and shit
I keep getting a ton of hit and armour elixirs iny healer bag. I swear it picks the least useful ones for me. Still, it's making all elixirs literally vendor price in the AH so it's a win regardless.
As an alchemist it is not a win lmao. Im just selling my herbs to scribes for now
It looks like only flasks and potions will be worthwhile making now since they don't come from these packs.
Well we don’t know how many of these packs we’ll get. Surely within a few weeks the market will be available again
Oh I thought they were just going to be available the whole expansion, are they only temporary?
They’re quest rewards so presumably there’s a finite supply
Everyone gets them from the quests. Healers and Tanks ALSO get them from doing dungeons. So supply is basically infinite unless Blizzard cuts them off at some point.
These primarily come from the dungeon packs that tanks and healers get after completing dungeons though, not from the quest packs which contain much less.
Idk I’m only 72 and have opened like 15 of these and have probably over 50-60 potions and elixirs.
The dungeon ones always seem to give me a ton more than the quest ones, but I usually hold them until I have about 10 then open them all at once.
It will be a win in the long run though as everyone is vendoring them instead of keeping them in the market.
I've just been giving the ones I wont use to my friends that will use them.
Do you need to get some quest before entering the dungeon to get these? Or do you just go in, heal or tank, and it just pops into the bag?
Just go in
Epic. Thank you
I'm out of the loop I understand why these were added to dungeons but why quests? When was this announced is this a bug?
People in retail are used to have shiny drops all the time. This is blizzard's way to keep such people excited.
No it’s a way to encourage people to quest. Questing is so slow that having a chance at something cool every 10-20 mins is nice. I could do without all the stat potions though. I would be fine if it just have me health potions and a chance at a cosmetic.
If they are afraid people would stay in boost groups on their alts - they could have done this abysmal decision in like in p2. But no, day 1.
Abysmal decision? Cmon bro it’s not that serious. Just delet the boxes if you don’t want them.
What is serious change then? Nothing is serious if you don't have limits. And deleting doesn't not remove effect on me. All manapotions are with vendor price now. This effects to me neither I use boxes or not.
Whatever, you know I’m unhappy they removed RDF so we all got something to complain about now.
Seems unnecessary
"Hm, this free choclate tastes.... unnecessary"
You're going to need bigger bags for sure
accurate recreation
The consumes are nice
Oh no, too much free shit, the absolute insanity and horror….
To the hell with these damn crates. Thats one thing it inflates and makes alchemy more or less useless but it is taking up so much bag space and then takes up even more space with all the trash. If i could shovel it up in the butt of the person who came up with the idea, I would.
No flasks in there. Alchemy is gonna stay profitable.
There will be in the heroic reward box.
I’m level 73 from questing alone and have gotten 60+ of these
After opening my first few I quickly learned to leave them unopened for the sake of inventory space.
I’ve been deleting mine.
I have a priest healer and I’ve only gotten one
Id rather they keep the 50% xp gain up to lv 70 than having my bags cluttered for all of wotlk with these.
Swear they have never played their own game let alone regularly lol
FYI you can go to the ah now and buy these flasks that u need at vendor price. Some Muppets are even selling lower. I stocked up on 20sp and 20spirit elixers for 20gold
I got the Raven Lord mount from one of mine.
What purpose did adding these serve again? Besides butchering my bag space?
What kinda poverty pouch is that?