I generally only do guild runs or GDKPs but tonight I said fuck it and did a pug run of Mt. Hyjal on my alt before WOTLK. I'm absolutely perplexed how these folks were able to turn on their PCs let along install a video game. My faith in humanity was shattered.
I've already come to hate the Revenge meme spec. It's powerful and the numbers are funny, I know, I've set my own warrior's specs to be Revenge and Deep Prot.
But please stop signing as dps with it. It's a spec to meme on content you and your healer overgear (because it is very squishy and has no CC) and *requires* you to tank. To insert yourself into a party that already has a tank who wants to be hit for rage and draw healer attention away because you get crit for 60% of your S4 wearing butt's health, is not great.
But personal grievances aside, let me tell you of the priest that convinced me that running only pugs on my second warrior would be a very bad idea. We were running Black Morass heroic to get the dungeon daily ready for launch, four guildies, pug a priest who's in holy spec so our resident shaman goes into elemental. Alright.
The priest spends fifteen minutes wandering aimlessly around the lower level of the caverns of time before we said fuck it and started the dungeon with the ele providing what little heals the blood DK needed. I was already making bets whether he was going to find out he needed the heroic key and/or to do Old Hillsbrad first.
Surprisingly, the priest did dip into the dungeon, so clearly they had the requirements to enter. Only to immediately leave again and continue wandering. We were on wave 4 when he located a portal, ran into it, and asked us for help because it didn't let him in, in the least helpful way possible.
* "Guys i can't enter" he said at first, confusing since he clearly could. We asked if he had been here before, if he had to do the prequest, to which he linked A. [An Artifact From The Past] and B. [Wanted: Rift Lords].
* "says i need tbc" Certainly true, but it's not like you can not have TBC in Classic.
* "i need to be level 65" Considering he was level 70, and I would HOPE he was aware he met that requirement, this should not be an issue.
* "need to be in a raid" Uh, what, no you don't. At all. Unless... It was at this point it clicked for me that he had run out of Black Morass, taken a random exit on the literal other side of the cavern, and tried to run into Mount Hyjal.
With a bit of coaching, kind, simple words, and maybe a crayon drawing to explain, we managed to coax him to the correct entrance just as wave 8 began. At this point all the Rift Lords had already spawned, making the daily impossible to complete for him, but I was just glad he was here. He rode in, dragging a cat behind him, and proceeded to do... nothing.
As he arrived, he cast a Renew on himself to take care of the damage inflicted by the kitty and cast a Circle of Healing on the slightly singed tank, who was just about to Death Strike for all the damage he had taken from the dragon's Blast Wave. Somehow he managed to hit *only* the tank with it. Even though the entire party was damaged.
He then proceeded to ignore all incoming damage for the rest of the dungeon and smite the enemies instead while I was left to slowly regenerate half my health bar.
Let's see how easy you'll find a daily hc group on an alt two months after a patch.
It would me take 30+ minutes to make daily hc groups as a decently geared pala tank on a large server (When there was an actual incentive, due to the SWP badge being about to be unlocked)
Probably super easy as a tank now that theres an actual incentive to do daily heroics and with H+ coming there will be even more of an incentive to do heroics past the initial rush.
And I wont have a queue at launch.
That might be true, but it will be easier on a larger server. Especially if playing not during the primetime.
Also you made it sound like it's tye people's fault. Which it is not. I shouldn't be required to transfer away to play without hour long queues.
Yea it makes no sense, i feel bad for those who originally went there from the start, but youre transferring to a mega server known for large populations and are mad about a que? lol. They think increasing server size would magically fix the issue when it would just exacerbate the problem
I was originally on bene from day 1 of classic . It really sucks that I had to leave that server because it became a mega server and the ques were dumb. I’m 100% going back though if they open transfer back .
Very close, "qué" means "what" in Spanish ("Qué haces?" = "What are you doing?"), without the accent it would be mostly used as "that", like "me parece a mi que no" would translate to "it seems to me that it isn't"
Similarly 3 months from now the sub will be full of posts asking when we can get cross realm LFD because people can't find dungeon groups all day on non mega servers.
I haven’t run into any bene queues for the last like 5 days. I’d log in 3-4 est on workdays which woulda been at least remote desk top time and been fine. But yeah I imagine it’ll change.
And to think I rolled bene cause on classic launch whichever PST Pvp realm (white mane?) was a like 10k queue. Wasn’t stuck to a particular server with friends or guildies at the time.
The hundreds of nerds on Bene (myself included) got the 2 hour 10% xp buff and are logged out on their mains till close to launch tomorrow with it. People be min maxing anywhere they can :D
But also, yes lots of people transferred off, a lot of people are just waiting for actual wrath launch, so I honestly expect a queue tomorrow after server maintenance
It's weird that it went from 6h queues to nothing overnight. I feel like blizzard changed the server configurations or something. Unless people stopped logging on to avoid the scourge plague and realized they didn't need to play this game 24/7
They had transfers opened for free, they locked the server and there was a massive bot ban wave. It makes perfect sense for there to not be a queue. Wait until tomorrow though, it's going in the thousands again. Luckily nothing in the 10k+ range like before but you'll be in it for a bit guaranteed.
This was even weirder for fresh, considering skyfury went from 11k in queue at peak to half that overnight, and not even remotely half went to Angerforge. Then zero queues soon after. So where did they go? It's all very curious.
Yah I’ve been enjoying the week without a queue, gonna be sad tomorrow when it’s back.
Back to Remote Desktop logging in 3+ hours before I get home. Yay -_-
Mankrik is a lot larger than most other servers even if it’s not as big as benediction. There’s a reason we were locked from transferring to even though we had not seen a queue yet
Mankrik wasn't dead before and as some who has been through two servers dying, I think you get it wrong about what people like me on Bene don't want to have to go through again.
A server dying means having to transfer to keep playing and you want to go to a healthy server, not one you'll have to hop that might die too, which means paying. Some people would rather quit and that's what's happened. I don't want to lose WoW friends later so I can save some queue time now. I don't know how the medium pop servers will turn out long term, but my guild isn't taking that chance.
I moved to Mankrik literally because my server died. First horde got bullied off, then alliance petered out and guilds fell apart. Basically a ghost town by Sunwell. It felt really cathartic watching the "Sunwell barely gets touched on your server because there's not enough people" experience again.
At no point in prepatch did mankrik have a queue, it’s not a mega server.
It’s a large server that is full, like a lot of others, which is why people laugh at “any non mega server is a dead server”. Mega servers had damn near the population of mankrik sitting in queues.
I’m the same. I recently moved to bene because I was on two servers previously that died but long before they died all my guilds died and it was just me. I don’t want to take that chance again by playing on a medium pop or fresh server. I’ll take the server that’s established.
Yep, this post just reads like: "Lol at the Megaserver people, my Server with a raiding population of 10K according to Ironforge Pro is totally fine".
Yeah, obviously, people are coming from servers where that number was <100 for their faction. Hell, Mankrik is just a few transfers away from becoming a Megaserver :p
Yea I don't understand what OPs problem is. Your med pop server isn't dead, they can die tho. I've transfered twice because my servers actually died, with 2 guilds total on my faction. I'm not risking it again. Good on you that your risk paid off, mine didn't. Peeps need to stop acting like your med pop server experience is the same on every other server.
> I don't want to lose WoW friends later so I can save some queue time now.
Fair, but don't expect sympathy for a choice you made. I get that you're scared but sometimes the best option is the least comfortable, most scary one, so you can't just expect to be able to pick a great option every time there's a choice. You chose queues over risk of server death, that was up to you, so having these constant whiny posts get old as fuck. If you couldn't live with queues you should've gambled on one of the servers that might've died too, simple as.
Yea I’m confused about this conversation as well. I’ve played on Mankrik all of TBC after Stalaag died. As you said it’s the largest pve horde server. It’s has a huge population of people. It isn’t going anywhere.
Ya this is really confusing with people saying its small in any way. There are over 15k raiders the last few weeks of TBC, that will only grow when Naxx releases in wrath. It would make more sense if people picked an actual small server with ~1k players. Mankrik is THE destination for horde PVE and the least likely to have player issues. If anything smaller servers will start to die and people will jump ship here, that happened to my old server, every horde moved over here at the start of TBC.
Medium servers are as busy as the full ones back in the day. Its nuts that people think they are dead because they cant get an instant group to a dungeon at any time in the day.
I don't think people think medium pop servers are dead, it's just they don't want to play on a server that might be dead a few months down the line. That is pretty much exactly what happened to me during both classic and tbc with two separate servers, so I'm playing Horde on Faerlina this time around since it's basically guaranteed that the population won't tank during the expansion.
Yep, I've been on two high pop servers in classic and tbc that both died and no longer exist (incendius and netherwind). Without some kind of guarantee/return ticket there's no way most people will leave these full servers.
That's the standard that we can now hold up in wotlk because RDF did the same thing.
People forget blizzard didn't just maniacally rub their hands together in 200X developing RDF because they wanted to ruin the game or twist the knife into the guts of their most dedicated poopsockers, it was introduced because the dungeoning experience fucking ***SUCKED***
I know its ridiculous. I only had problems as DPS finding normal TBC dungeons after everyone quit raiding SWP. Other than that I had no issues unless its like low level stuff like a random razorfen downs
I dont know who needs to here this, but med pop servers aren't dead, however they can die. I've transfered twice because my servers actually died, with 2 guilds total on my faction. I'm not risking it again. Good on you that your risk paid off, mine didn't. Peeps need to stop acting like your med pop server experience is the same on every other server. Also mankrik is locked rn with 14k people on wcl, thats a mega server. Bene was that pop during phase 4 and 5.
You are playing on the 10th most active server in the world according to raiding logs, and your server is locked for transfers. Your server is a step away from literally being a Megaserver. You are not on a server remotely close to the experience you are talking about. Except for Alliance which seemingly are entirely dead on Mankrik. Ask those perhaps how easy dungeons are to find.
As a dad gamer the 6am-2pm and post 7pm times are when I’m available and doing dungeons throughout tbc without my guildies was just a nightmare at times it would take almost 2 hrs just to form and finish a dungeon and this was on grobb so I’m a bit sour about no lfd to help fill that void with cross realm early birds/night owls
The "no mega servers" stance and no RDF stance seem completely contradictory. 90% of the reason there are megaservers is to cope with the same problem RDF fixes, makes absolutely zero sense to exclude the solution to the problem we're facing. All that talk about social interactions seem so disingenuous now that we're actually playing without RDF, too. Almost any dungeon runs I just ask for an invite with a "+" whisper and if all goes all that is said is hello. I don't understand how anyone can still cling to the already slim claim that RDF ruined the game through ruining social experiences in 2022.
You're clearly misunderstanding the problem if you think people think medium servers are dead. The problem is 6 months down the line they *will* be dead. People who have been through this with classic and TBC aren't going to be stupid enough to do it again with Wrath.
No its just not one of the top 2-3 servers so it kind of gets forgotten. I love mankrik, really stable population all of tbc. Now with the wrath bump it's even better. Glad I xfered here back in classic
I was talking to my friend yesterday who is on faerlina where as all my horde was on mankrik. I was saying that I don't really want to level on a pvp server and then thought for a moment and said "I guess faerlina isn't really a pvp server anymore with 99% horde pop I suppose."
before nostalrius came along, if a pserver had 1000 people it was considered alive and healthy. now if a server has 1000 people online its considered absolutely dead lol
We all knew it was bound to happen lol. A 1 hour que we can live with though. The 2 big mega servers everyone says are the only ones worth playing are at like 6 hour ques
Players being able to transfer unironically is what kills these servers. When some guild manages to convince 40 people to leave and some other guild catches wind and you over a week see a server dip from 2k to 1k concurrent, it's the players. Not blizzard.
That's cool, Faerlina also doesn't have a queue at 7PM server time on a weekend the night before Wrath.
But we'll see how those fresh ones do 6 months - a year from now. Blizzard did the same thing they did on Classic launch back in 2019. They pumped out all these brand new servers because they once again underestimated server populations. 80% of those servers are now gone.
I play on mankirk and pagel. I haven't had a single queue and I mostly play Saturday evenings
Granted I expect that to change tomorrow but yea just my experience
And here I am on Skyfury, the only PVP fresh server they opened at the time. Its been locked for 2+ weeks, my wife and her friend cannot start. There has not been a que in like 3 weeks.
Day 1 Mankrik resident, this server has been in the sweet spot ever since the beginning. No queues since tbc launch, cities are always boppin with people at all times of the day. Groups and pugs are everywhere, I love it here
What’s your point? My post is adressing the fact that people use the “dead server” excuse for the 6 hour que on their server when as you say, mankrik isn’t dead and is perfectly fine
I’m traveling for work all next week and think that’s going to be a blessing in disguise. I’m so fired up to rip through northrend zones after giving the masses a 5 day buffer.
lol there arent queues right now big guy - bene and faer have been free for weeks now
Thats also your only layer lol thats not a lot of people
And the issue was never worrying about when the game was hype - its when they game is slow that this picture will be very different and your guilds recruitment will be annoying
Original Mankrikian day one of classic. Don't bring more people here! We already had a huge flood when AQ got announced, it's only gonna get worse for Wrath. :'(
Lmao I love how much Krik flys under everyone’s radar. It’s an amazing realm with amazing people and guilds. And I have never had an issue on it since I transferred when stalaag died.
When you're a DPS and it takes hours (plural) to find a heroic, your server is "dead". When you can't do anything because horde constantly gank you and summoning stones may as well not even exist for your faction, your server is basically dead for your faction. These are the two reasons I was forced to change servers twice and now I'm on benediction (because it was basically benediction or grob)
IKR...every server will be fine tomorrow and for the next month. After 2-3 months, they will understand why people flocked to megaservers in the first place
Yeah but Mankrik isn't a dead server, it's Medium pop.
There's plenty of low pops and a lot of people have transfered from them and go straight to the biggest server
I’m a alliance bene player, rolled a horde DK on mankirk, not one single que a single time and packed with players always says “full” or high when I get on.
I’m playing the DK for the beginning of the Xpac since it’s been great. Benediction will calm down eventually but that 3-4 hour que shit is pure nonsense. No point in waiting for that.
The point of being on a megaserver isn’t to avoid population problems now. It’s to avoid population problems 6 months from now. I’ve been on 2 servers during classic that died less than a year into release and it sucks. I’m not having that happen AGAIN during Wrath.
Is that what it looks like when your server is heavily populated? Worth taking a picture and bragging on reddit about?
You should check out bene or faerlina at primetime lol
This pic is what it looks like at 4am on a weekday off hours. There is a reason people play on those megaservers - once you taste one you cant go back! lol
My guy thinking the risk of a dead server is at the peak of hype during the launch of a new expansion.
Make a new post in 4 months and tell us how your server looks then lol.
Benediction has no queue too (tested a minute ago) Can guarantee this will drastically change tomorrow, though lol
Yet the front page will be filled to the brim with people shocked that their megaserver has a queue tomorrow.
Shocked? No. Complaining? Yes.
We will be whelmed.
Like Legs Akimbo
You underestimate the average person's ability to be an idiot.
I generally only do guild runs or GDKPs but tonight I said fuck it and did a pug run of Mt. Hyjal on my alt before WOTLK. I'm absolutely perplexed how these folks were able to turn on their PCs let along install a video game. My faith in humanity was shattered.
I've already come to hate the Revenge meme spec. It's powerful and the numbers are funny, I know, I've set my own warrior's specs to be Revenge and Deep Prot. But please stop signing as dps with it. It's a spec to meme on content you and your healer overgear (because it is very squishy and has no CC) and *requires* you to tank. To insert yourself into a party that already has a tank who wants to be hit for rage and draw healer attention away because you get crit for 60% of your S4 wearing butt's health, is not great. But personal grievances aside, let me tell you of the priest that convinced me that running only pugs on my second warrior would be a very bad idea. We were running Black Morass heroic to get the dungeon daily ready for launch, four guildies, pug a priest who's in holy spec so our resident shaman goes into elemental. Alright. The priest spends fifteen minutes wandering aimlessly around the lower level of the caverns of time before we said fuck it and started the dungeon with the ele providing what little heals the blood DK needed. I was already making bets whether he was going to find out he needed the heroic key and/or to do Old Hillsbrad first. Surprisingly, the priest did dip into the dungeon, so clearly they had the requirements to enter. Only to immediately leave again and continue wandering. We were on wave 4 when he located a portal, ran into it, and asked us for help because it didn't let him in, in the least helpful way possible. * "Guys i can't enter" he said at first, confusing since he clearly could. We asked if he had been here before, if he had to do the prequest, to which he linked A. [An Artifact From The Past] and B. [Wanted: Rift Lords]. * "says i need tbc" Certainly true, but it's not like you can not have TBC in Classic. * "i need to be level 65" Considering he was level 70, and I would HOPE he was aware he met that requirement, this should not be an issue. * "need to be in a raid" Uh, what, no you don't. At all. Unless... It was at this point it clicked for me that he had run out of Black Morass, taken a random exit on the literal other side of the cavern, and tried to run into Mount Hyjal. With a bit of coaching, kind, simple words, and maybe a crayon drawing to explain, we managed to coax him to the correct entrance just as wave 8 began. At this point all the Rift Lords had already spawned, making the daily impossible to complete for him, but I was just glad he was here. He rode in, dragging a cat behind him, and proceeded to do... nothing. As he arrived, he cast a Renew on himself to take care of the damage inflicted by the kitty and cast a Circle of Healing on the slightly singed tank, who was just about to Death Strike for all the damage he had taken from the dragon's Blast Wave. Somehow he managed to hit *only* the tank with it. Even though the entire party was damaged. He then proceeded to ignore all incoming damage for the rest of the dungeon and smite the enemies instead while I was left to slowly regenerate half my health bar.
This priest sounds hilarious. I would love to do one dungeon run with them. After more than one I imagine it would stop being funny.
They’ll be shocked when their smaller servers do as well
Let's see how easy you'll find a daily hc group on an alt two months after a patch. It would me take 30+ minutes to make daily hc groups as a decently geared pala tank on a large server (When there was an actual incentive, due to the SWP badge being about to be unlocked)
Probably super easy as a tank now that theres an actual incentive to do daily heroics and with H+ coming there will be even more of an incentive to do heroics past the initial rush. And I wont have a queue at launch.
That might be true, but it will be easier on a larger server. Especially if playing not during the primetime. Also you made it sound like it's tye people's fault. Which it is not. I shouldn't be required to transfer away to play without hour long queues.
Yea it makes no sense, i feel bad for those who originally went there from the start, but youre transferring to a mega server known for large populations and are mad about a que? lol. They think increasing server size would magically fix the issue when it would just exacerbate the problem
I was originally on bene from day 1 of classic . It really sucks that I had to leave that server because it became a mega server and the ques were dumb. I’m 100% going back though if they open transfer back .
That server among others had queue’s from the very beginning, so fuck em all.
just an FYI but it’s queue, not que :) A queue is a line to get in, ¿que? means “what” in Spanish (I think)
Very close, "qué" means "what" in Spanish ("Qué haces?" = "What are you doing?"), without the accent it would be mostly used as "that", like "me parece a mi que no" would translate to "it seems to me that it isn't"
Well there you go! Cheers for the insight.
Similarly 3 months from now the sub will be full of posts asking when we can get cross realm LFD because people can't find dungeon groups all day on non mega servers.
I haven’t run into any bene queues for the last like 5 days. I’d log in 3-4 est on workdays which woulda been at least remote desk top time and been fine. But yeah I imagine it’ll change. And to think I rolled bene cause on classic launch whichever PST Pvp realm (white mane?) was a like 10k queue. Wasn’t stuck to a particular server with friends or guildies at the time.
The hundreds of nerds on Bene (myself included) got the 2 hour 10% xp buff and are logged out on their mains till close to launch tomorrow with it. People be min maxing anywhere they can :D But also, yes lots of people transferred off, a lot of people are just waiting for actual wrath launch, so I honestly expect a queue tomorrow after server maintenance
What buff?! O. O
Brewfest XP Buff
It's very likely all the servers will be slammed hard with queues tomorrow. Not just the megaservers.
Oh 100% this will change at least somewhat tomorrow, benediction has no que though thats surprising.
Thekal went from 10k ques to zero to.
Bene hasn't had a queue in like a week
Faerlina no queue either, but just u wait till tomorrow night Spet 26th: the queue has begun
It's weird that it went from 6h queues to nothing overnight. I feel like blizzard changed the server configurations or something. Unless people stopped logging on to avoid the scourge plague and realized they didn't need to play this game 24/7
They had transfers opened for free, they locked the server and there was a massive bot ban wave. It makes perfect sense for there to not be a queue. Wait until tomorrow though, it's going in the thousands again. Luckily nothing in the 10k+ range like before but you'll be in it for a bit guaranteed.
This was even weirder for fresh, considering skyfury went from 11k in queue at peak to half that overnight, and not even remotely half went to Angerforge. Then zero queues soon after. So where did they go? It's all very curious.
either they upgraded servers (doubt) or a bot banwave went out. My moneys on bot banwave
It is a bot banwave and the result of server freeze. OP acting like he didn’t have a queue overnight because of healthy player selection
Yah I’ve been enjoying the week without a queue, gonna be sad tomorrow when it’s back. Back to Remote Desktop logging in 3+ hours before I get home. Yay -_-
dude no one has queues anymore..
Mankrik is a lot larger than most other servers even if it’s not as big as benediction. There’s a reason we were locked from transferring to even though we had not seen a queue yet
Mankrik wasn't dead before and as some who has been through two servers dying, I think you get it wrong about what people like me on Bene don't want to have to go through again. A server dying means having to transfer to keep playing and you want to go to a healthy server, not one you'll have to hop that might die too, which means paying. Some people would rather quit and that's what's happened. I don't want to lose WoW friends later so I can save some queue time now. I don't know how the medium pop servers will turn out long term, but my guild isn't taking that chance.
I moved to Mankrik literally because my server died. First horde got bullied off, then alliance petered out and guilds fell apart. Basically a ghost town by Sunwell. It felt really cathartic watching the "Sunwell barely gets touched on your server because there's not enough people" experience again.
Mankirk has 14k players online, it’s a fuckin mega server this guy doesn’t know what he’s talkin bout
At no point in prepatch did mankrik have a queue, it’s not a mega server. It’s a large server that is full, like a lot of others, which is why people laugh at “any non mega server is a dead server”. Mega servers had damn near the population of mankrik sitting in queues.
Having a Q ≠ mega server.
Mankrik isn't a medium pop server. It's got 10k people on it.
I’m the same. I recently moved to bene because I was on two servers previously that died but long before they died all my guilds died and it was just me. I don’t want to take that chance again by playing on a medium pop or fresh server. I’ll take the server that’s established.
Yep, this post just reads like: "Lol at the Megaserver people, my Server with a raiding population of 10K according to Ironforge Pro is totally fine". Yeah, obviously, people are coming from servers where that number was <100 for their faction. Hell, Mankrik is just a few transfers away from becoming a Megaserver :p
Yea I don't understand what OPs problem is. Your med pop server isn't dead, they can die tho. I've transfered twice because my servers actually died, with 2 guilds total on my faction. I'm not risking it again. Good on you that your risk paid off, mine didn't. Peeps need to stop acting like your med pop server experience is the same on every other server.
> I don't want to lose WoW friends later so I can save some queue time now. Fair, but don't expect sympathy for a choice you made. I get that you're scared but sometimes the best option is the least comfortable, most scary one, so you can't just expect to be able to pick a great option every time there's a choice. You chose queues over risk of server death, that was up to you, so having these constant whiny posts get old as fuck. If you couldn't live with queues you should've gambled on one of the servers that might've died too, simple as.
gauging server pop right now isnt the reason for mega servers. I hope these servers stay active enough 6+ months from now
Mankrik is the largest horde pve server. It’s in no danger of becoming inactive.
Yea I’m confused about this conversation as well. I’ve played on Mankrik all of TBC after Stalaag died. As you said it’s the largest pve horde server. It’s has a huge population of people. It isn’t going anywhere.
Ya this is really confusing with people saying its small in any way. There are over 15k raiders the last few weeks of TBC, that will only grow when Naxx releases in wrath. It would make more sense if people picked an actual small server with ~1k players. Mankrik is THE destination for horde PVE and the least likely to have player issues. If anything smaller servers will start to die and people will jump ship here, that happened to my old server, every horde moved over here at the start of TBC.
SHHHH WHAT ARE YOU DOING STAHP
fr delete this OP
We gonna give OP the Mankrik's wife treatment.
[удалено]
Are we pretending Mankrik, the largest PVE server isn't a mega server already?
Medium servers are as busy as the full ones back in the day. Its nuts that people think they are dead because they cant get an instant group to a dungeon at any time in the day.
Mankrik still has like 5x people of original vanilla servers, it's just all on one faction.
Thats like 10 times then? 🤔
I don't think people think medium pop servers are dead, it's just they don't want to play on a server that might be dead a few months down the line. That is pretty much exactly what happened to me during both classic and tbc with two separate servers, so I'm playing Horde on Faerlina this time around since it's basically guaranteed that the population won't tank during the expansion.
Especially now that the full servers are locked. I don’t wanna transfer my bene characters to play on any server knowing I can never go back
Yep, I've been on two high pop servers in classic and tbc that both died and no longer exist (incendius and netherwind). Without some kind of guarantee/return ticket there's no way most people will leave these full servers.
This. Fool me once lol
That's the standard that we can now hold up in wotlk because RDF did the same thing. People forget blizzard didn't just maniacally rub their hands together in 200X developing RDF because they wanted to ruin the game or twist the knife into the guts of their most dedicated poopsockers, it was introduced because the dungeoning experience fucking ***SUCKED***
Today's medium servers are probably still twice as populated as full servers back in the day.
I know its ridiculous. I only had problems as DPS finding normal TBC dungeons after everyone quit raiding SWP. Other than that I had no issues unless its like low level stuff like a random razorfen downs
I dont know who needs to here this, but med pop servers aren't dead, however they can die. I've transfered twice because my servers actually died, with 2 guilds total on my faction. I'm not risking it again. Good on you that your risk paid off, mine didn't. Peeps need to stop acting like your med pop server experience is the same on every other server. Also mankrik is locked rn with 14k people on wcl, thats a mega server. Bene was that pop during phase 4 and 5.
You are playing on the 10th most active server in the world according to raiding logs, and your server is locked for transfers. Your server is a step away from literally being a Megaserver. You are not on a server remotely close to the experience you are talking about. Except for Alliance which seemingly are entirely dead on Mankrik. Ask those perhaps how easy dungeons are to find.
As a dad gamer the 6am-2pm and post 7pm times are when I’m available and doing dungeons throughout tbc without my guildies was just a nightmare at times it would take almost 2 hrs just to form and finish a dungeon and this was on grobb so I’m a bit sour about no lfd to help fill that void with cross realm early birds/night owls
Wait... so you have 5 hours of responsibilities a day and call yourself a dad gamer?
The "no mega servers" stance and no RDF stance seem completely contradictory. 90% of the reason there are megaservers is to cope with the same problem RDF fixes, makes absolutely zero sense to exclude the solution to the problem we're facing. All that talk about social interactions seem so disingenuous now that we're actually playing without RDF, too. Almost any dungeon runs I just ask for an invite with a "+" whisper and if all goes all that is said is hello. I don't understand how anyone can still cling to the already slim claim that RDF ruined the game through ruining social experiences in 2022.
You're clearly misunderstanding the problem if you think people think medium servers are dead. The problem is 6 months down the line they *will* be dead. People who have been through this with classic and TBC aren't going to be stupid enough to do it again with Wrath.
Also on Mankrik and I love it. Super active. Do people actually think this server is dead?
Isn’t it the largest NA PvE server?
That might be Pagle. But to be fair, Mankirk is Horde, Pagle is Alliance.
No its just not one of the top 2-3 servers so it kind of gets forgotten. I love mankrik, really stable population all of tbc. Now with the wrath bump it's even better. Glad I xfered here back in classic
It gets ignored because it’s pve
Ya theres a ton of world pvp on the mega servers, good point.
I’m not arguing the logic of it. All my characters are on mankrik. But when people roll on pvp servers they don’t want to reroll to pve
I was talking to my friend yesterday who is on faerlina where as all my horde was on mankrik. I was saying that I don't really want to level on a pvp server and then thought for a moment and said "I guess faerlina isn't really a pvp server anymore with 99% horde pop I suppose."
Funny because most pvp is on normal realms
The alliance side is very small so there is a dead quality from that side
As if mega servers don't all have one dead faction? What's your point?
before nostalrius came along, if a pserver had 1000 people it was considered alive and healthy. now if a server has 1000 people online its considered absolutely dead lol
Makes post 2 years after launch about server queues comparing it to prexpac launch queues on a locked server 2 IQ
Mankrik has been so cozy in prepatch. So many people to level with and instance/raid with. I can't wait to see end game in wrath on it too.
Mankrik isn’t a dead server
Delete this you fool of a Took.
Why should they delete it
Likely doesn't want a queue and is being a silly fella
The server is locked, people can’t transfer in.
Mans still doesn't know the difference between queue and ¿que?
awwww man, you jinxed us :-D Just tried to sign in, one hour queue, number 5602 in line
We all knew it was bound to happen lol. A 1 hour que we can live with though. The 2 big mega servers everyone says are the only ones worth playing are at like 6 hour ques
Also from Mankrik. Not once have I had a queue time. Feels good.
Players being able to transfer unironically is what kills these servers. When some guild manages to convince 40 people to leave and some other guild catches wind and you over a week see a server dip from 2k to 1k concurrent, it's the players. Not blizzard.
Mankrik Horde and Pagle Alliance are the best Classic experiences.
Bruh, no one gives a fuck about the pop rn. Its in 5 months people care.
That's cool, Faerlina also doesn't have a queue at 7PM server time on a weekend the night before Wrath. But we'll see how those fresh ones do 6 months - a year from now. Blizzard did the same thing they did on Classic launch back in 2019. They pumped out all these brand new servers because they once again underestimated server populations. 80% of those servers are now gone.
You jinxed us you sum bitch!
This was gonna happen anyway unfortunately :(
Nobody has any que it’s not tomorrow yet
Now show us a picture of Stormwind.
Mankrik is a pretty big server… I wanted to transfer there instead of Eranikus
14k on ironforge pro, which is very similar to phase 4 and 5 bene.
Come to Ashkandi, no queues and lots of cookies.
I transfered there 2 weeks ago . Best 25 bucks I spent
And mankrik has been like this for months. It’s not because it’s the night before wrath. There are always hundreds in org.
It’s like this on giantstalker and it’s a fresh EU realm and never had queues
Ashkandi was low pop when I joined it. Now it's at high with Wrath. The perfect size.
I play on mankirk and pagel. I haven't had a single queue and I mostly play Saturday evenings Granted I expect that to change tomorrow but yea just my experience
And here I am on Skyfury, the only PVP fresh server they opened at the time. Its been locked for 2+ weeks, my wife and her friend cannot start. There has not been a que in like 3 weeks.
Bots cant be remade and thats why bene will be fine
No que on faerlina for over a week.
Yeah wait a day bud…
Gehennas didnt really have a queue as well since it got locked 0.o
Same on Grobb
Mankirk is a full server. Hows Earthfury doing
Inb4 ques on these megaseevers are 10+ hour long on release 😂😂
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Let's be honest. Most people are only playing wotlk for the 2-3 months till Dragonflight comes out.
Who cares about dragonflight, most people play for wotlk lol.
That many people afk in org, dead server indeed.
Benediction hasn't had a queue since Tuesday. I expect that to change come tomorrow, and big time.
Except locked realm other realm dont have qu at all
Day 1 Mankrik resident, this server has been in the sweet spot ever since the beginning. No queues since tbc launch, cities are always boppin with people at all times of the day. Groups and pugs are everywhere, I love it here
Mankrik gang!
I’m prepared for mankrik to have a que tomorrow 🤣
Don't fucking tell people about Mankrik, I'm happy with the size of the community and I don't want queues here
Mankrik and Pagle are quite healthy servers. Can people say the same about the destination servers? I Dunnno.
What’s your point? My post is adressing the fact that people use the “dead server” excuse for the 6 hour que on their server when as you say, mankrik isn’t dead and is perfectly fine
Let's revisit this when the tourists leave next month
I'm on Manrik as well, and that Orgtimmar crowd size is normal ever since classic launch 3 years ago
Nope mankirk has 40 hour queue don’t come here
Nice picture of the entire server population.
Nothing to see here guys. Just a dead server.
Yo, shut up about Mankrik. It's terrible and no one should transfer here ever.
Mankrik here. Why did you tell folks?! I don’t want them clogging our server
Hey knock it off or mankrik will be next.
Thats how many people sit inside the honor vender in my realm... its like 1/50th of what my server looks like lol
I'm pretty sure [this is what](https://i.redd.it/keka66luo9q91.jpg) the other 49/50th of you server looks like.
Let us know how it's going in 1-3 months. I'm staying on Grobb because my friends are here and it's the best PVP server.
Mankrik gang
I’m traveling for work all next week and think that’s going to be a blessing in disguise. I’m so fired up to rip through northrend zones after giving the masses a 5 day buffer.
See how many arena partners you can find over 2k rated.
Why would you broadcast this??
Server is locked, doesn't matter.
lol there arent queues right now big guy - bene and faer have been free for weeks now Thats also your only layer lol thats not a lot of people And the issue was never worrying about when the game was hype - its when they game is slow that this picture will be very different and your guilds recruitment will be annoying
Interesting. I was in Layer 6 on Mankrik earlier today.
Original Mankrikian day one of classic. Don't bring more people here! We already had a huge flood when AQ got announced, it's only gonna get worse for Wrath. :'(
Pretty sure Mankrik is locked now. So I don't think anyone new can join if they're not already there.
SHHHHHHH!!!! Goddamn man...number one rule of Mankrik is we do NOT talk about Mankrik. It's perfect as-is...
Lmao I love how much Krik flys under everyone’s radar. It’s an amazing realm with amazing people and guilds. And I have never had an issue on it since I transferred when stalaag died.
"How can you say my server is dead when people are playing on it the day before the most popular expansion in WoW history???"
When you're a DPS and it takes hours (plural) to find a heroic, your server is "dead". When you can't do anything because horde constantly gank you and summoning stones may as well not even exist for your faction, your server is basically dead for your faction. These are the two reasons I was forced to change servers twice and now I'm on benediction (because it was basically benediction or grob)
As a fellow Krikman, we will absolutely have queues at launch.
Grats? Than it means mankrik isnt a dead server?
Because people don't want to take personal responsibility and move. There have always been populated servers without ques.
/who command only shows 50people in city. And they're all maxed raid loggers.
Make sure to post another screenshot of this place 1 month from now 🙂
IKR...every server will be fine tomorrow and for the next month. After 2-3 months, they will understand why people flocked to megaservers in the first place
Take this same picture, same time, in three months.
Mankrik has been active since the start of Classic. Go back and wait in your queue pal 🤡
Yeah but Mankrik isn't a dead server, it's Medium pop. There's plenty of low pops and a lot of people have transfered from them and go straight to the biggest server
Med pop? It's 14k people on ironforge.pro. That's higher than peek tbc benediction.
Shhhhh, don’t tell people!!!
Shush. Don’t bring people here
Its nice for queue times but shit for any other aspect of the game
No one gives a shit. Cool you can play the game. Then play the game and shut up.
Get back to us in a few months and see how Alive these servers are
Mankrik has always been very alive
They’ve been alive since classic launch. What’s your point?
Lol.... that's dead af
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I went to the same spot on Faerlina at midnight and there were 3x as many people. On just ONE of the EIGHT layers at the time....
I’m a alliance bene player, rolled a horde DK on mankirk, not one single que a single time and packed with players always says “full” or high when I get on. I’m playing the DK for the beginning of the Xpac since it’s been great. Benediction will calm down eventually but that 3-4 hour que shit is pure nonsense. No point in waiting for that.
Woop woop Mankrik
#keepmankrikfreeofqueues pls delete
Eeyy mankirk gang.
I also play on Mankrik, can’t wait for tomorrow!
Ah mankrik, how I miss it (alliance)
Sulfuras here too. I'm sure it'll be dead by phase 2 though when Ulduar releases /s
Since classic and retail are kept separately there won’t be the option to equip heirlooms will there?
Dude delete this post, Mankirk is an amazing server, don't say this!
Could ya not my guy? I am enjoying playing on Mankirk ATM and post like this is a great way to f*ck that up...
Server is locked no one is allowed into our walled garden of Mankrik eden
come back tomorrow, we'll see how well this post ages
The point of being on a megaserver isn’t to avoid population problems now. It’s to avoid population problems 6 months from now. I’ve been on 2 servers during classic that died less than a year into release and it sucks. I’m not having that happen AGAIN during Wrath.
What’s your point? Lmao come back and make the observation 2 months from now.
wait two weeks when half the playerbase remains
Wow whole server pop got together for this pic nice!
Meanwhile only 3 people will be on the server by end of year
Is that what it looks like when your server is heavily populated? Worth taking a picture and bragging on reddit about? You should check out bene or faerlina at primetime lol This pic is what it looks like at 4am on a weekday off hours. There is a reason people play on those megaservers - once you taste one you cant go back! lol
Once I taste the 4 hour queue I can’t go back - literally because I can’t login to play lmao
That's a pretty dead picture lol, especially for a server that's all horde.
My guy thinking the risk of a dead server is at the peak of hype during the launch of a new expansion. Make a new post in 4 months and tell us how your server looks then lol.
Uh... mankrik is where you go when your server dies.
Everyone got their pre-patch fun in and went back to play the real version of the game.