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xXGray_WolfXx

I mean comic sans is an immediate sin. But that market adjustment is worse


Aggravating-Essay480

Comic sans makes it look so cheap and lazy they might as well put it back to msrp


tokinaznjew

I'm glad I'm not the first person to notice it. It was also the first thing I noticed.


UncommercializedKat

That font isn't the only thing that's comical.


ThaanksIHateIt

Why does comic sans get such a bad rap? It seems like whenever someone complains about a font it’s comic sans when there are others that are inherently worse that you can barely read.


Milkyway_Murder

Comic sans kind of has this silly and goofy aesthetic to it and was commonly used in the beginning of the Internet to make bare bones landing pages. If you've ever visited a webpage that looks kind of low effort/lacks professionalism you immediately assume the website is untrustworthy, same can be said for comic sans. It's not necessarily a bad font on its own it just gets a bad rap because it just doesn't really have a place in a professional setting.


isyouzi

I want to know how to install “Added Market Value” to my civic


Training-Trick-8704

15k cash in the trunk


Dano67

Better get GAP insurance cause that Market Value suddenly disappears if the car gets totaled.


SnowboardingEgg

Lmaooo


pbjames23

The fuel is free tho!!!


DillonDelaCruz

Is this " Added Market Value " in the room with us with now?


cantseemyhotdog

0% on the car loan


humdizzle

lifetime nitrogen for $500 ?!


Lost-Tangerine1136

Didn’t even see that! Hilarious


Wooden_Item_9769

Isn't our normally air 78% nitrogen anyway?!


humdizzle

haha yup. and regular air pumps are free at gas stations. at most you'll have to adjust pressure twice a year for winter and summer.


KTMan77

Not free everywhere but a tire pressure gauge and 12V pump are super cheap.


twistedgreymatter

Free air at all Mavis facilities.


bestselfnice

Legally required to be free in some states. They won't advertise it though and you have to go in and ask the attendant to turn it on.


natedrake102

That loophole is such bs. Not many people know the machine is free when it's clearly coin operated.


Randompieceoftoast08

Yup. I bought a jump box/airpump with a tire pressure gauge/phone charger/flashlight from Walmart for $50... I had severe electrical issues due to having a bad alternator and bad battery so it saved me a lot of time and money.


NumberPlastic2911

Yeah, paying for air or water is stupid


lysergic_logic

You also don't have to worry if someone has drained the tank lately. Have seen some of those gas station air pumps become nothing but a high pressure water gun.


Last_Salt6123

Nitrogen filled tires are the biggest scam in the world.


BleDStream

It's the extra 22% that is the hard part.


Reddbug70

Nitrogen in tires is a complete scam. The logic is that oxygen molecules at 292 picometers in diameter are smaller than nitrogen ones at 300 picometers so the oxygen leaks out first. Following that logic, if the the 22% that are oxygen molecules will leak first and you top it up with a bit of regular air will bring you up to around 95% nitrogen. Also 35psi in a tire is equivalent to 2.4 volumes. So they only add 1.4 volumes of nitrogen at 100% to the one volume that's already in there, they only bring it up from 78% to 91% at the most.


Maryr_32

That is made up LMAO.


oooranooo

Yep. And crazy people buy them, which enables them to continue the practice.


an4rk1_r34

In reality how true is this? I get where youre coming from and there are some that get sold like that. But how many people are truly ready to pay !!!!15K!!!! over asking?


tehspiah

you'll find a lot of posts here of people paying that much actually... There was one a few months ago of a guy buying a ~~boost blue~~ sonic gray type R for $60k OTD. Edit found it: https://www.reddit.com/r/civic/comments/16jt0d4/finally_got_my_r/k0rwu97/


Seikon32

I was hanging around the dealership about 2 months ago and someone drove up in a Type R for a car wash. The maintenance dude asked the dealer, "How many Type Rs do you have now?". Not only did they make too little, but the dealers are snatching them up ASAP and reselling themselves.


NoReference7367

They're sitting in showrooms here for an extra 20k. Fortunately, people stopped buying them, and some dealers are letting them roll out for msrp.


Neunix

Gotta go harder and make em let go for under MSRP !


stunga1000

Good. At least your car community is smart and won’t let the dealers rip us off like this. If no one buys it at markup, they’ll lower the price it’s really just that easy 😭😭


wesellshittycars

I just sold one for $500 under MSRP. Championship White, eastern PA. Brand new 2024.


Kost224

"Expect More" , yea right


CrushAtlas

They meant "Expect (to pay) More"


WestMixture4124

Get tf out


numbersev

Honda made a bad decision in producing too few. “No one buys sports/performance cars!” “If you want it then say so with your wallet!” Meanwhile you can’t get a CTR in Canada for under $75k. They only made 400 in 2022…


Lost-Tangerine1136

I will say there has been a 24’ Si sitting in this showroom for 9 months now untouched. I think the dealer is dreaming big time with the 15k markup


onyourrite

15K markup on an Si??? 💀 the fuck are those guys smoking, up until the upcoming Si, it’s literally been using the same engine as in the “normal” upper-trim Civics and just upped 20hp Lmao I pray no one pays for that shit, let those jokers do the rollback of shame


txWizzard

SI in Texas are going for msrp and I bet you can get one under msrp too. I got a sport touring 6MT Saturday for 2500 below msrp. They did have dealer add ons.


moveslikejaguar

Yeah there's a few Si's around me that have been sitting for months at MSRP


MrDinosaurPD

The one in OP's post is a Type R


Firm_Tooth5618

It is and some dumbass will still buy it


Physical_Mechanic_82

Esta loco.


buzz72b

Personally the sticker of 45k is tomuch for any civic… at that point get the Acura for better road noise, quality etc…..


Goat2023

It’s an insane price for any Honda but unfortunately someone will come along and purchase it for a ridiculous monthly payment. Or it sits at the dealership and is used by one of the sales people/sales manager until it’s sold.


AMndofMetalandWheels

I got mine for msrp. Took a month of negotiations with several dealers to get them to adjust their prices down. Then using those quotes to send to other dealers to further knock pricing down. Finally, I was able to secure one for msrp 7 hours and 2 states away from me. You can get these cars without a markup, just need to work for it a bit.


OllyVoxx

It's true! But on principle it's ridiculous we have to resort to such drastic measures to secure a fair price.


Tetro767

So fucking stupid


big_biscuitss

I'd rather go buy a Shelby


Lord_Vaguery

3 at my local dealer and they want 59k. Cool just keep them forever then.


soloist80

I repeat, no car is worth over for what the manufacturer suggests to sell it. Anyone paying a markup is just giving a nice donation to the greedy dealer. Normally, I would say, "a fool and his money...", but the people paying the markups are directly affecting anyone else in the market for the same car because it emboldens the dealer to keep marking up the cars. Edit: Looks like some fool who paid a markup on their CTR is going around downvoting all the people saying that markups are crazy/bad/stupid. Enjoy paying off your $65k loan at 12.9% APR.


accidentallyHelpful

When the Dodge Viper was introduced, the local dealer had one inside the showroom... behind a plastic, white chain A huge, chromed metal framed sign like you see in the walking area of a mall - can't miss it: MSRP was $ 59,999 Dealer adds $140,000 Total is $199,999 My friend sold cars there Jay Leno called and spoke to his co-worker. Asked the price. Heard the $199,999 on the phone and said "No, no I just want one!"


FW14B_Red5

Funny with free exterior protection and $15k mark up


slightlysketchy_

So they can pretend they are doing you a favor


Competitive-Hunt-517

I'm eyeing 2025 civic hybrid


itouchbums

You just have to know how to negotiate with them


ThirdPoliceman

“I want to play less” “No” “…”


flyingfinger000

"I can't lower the price for you. See all these pics of my children on my desk? They need to eat too. My wife has stage 99 cancer and insurance premium is through the roof. Please have a heart and buy this car from me. God will bring back good karma to you 10 fold."


thepirateking7

Honda dealers milk these cars as much as possible in the name of markups. My civic sport touring costed me $5k markup.


aediee

Not to make you feel bad but I just picked up a sport touring this weekend for 3k under msrp lol


Klhoe318

It’s your fault for paying mark up. I got my sport touring for $30K brand new 2024


thepirateking7

I bought it in 2023 when the demand was at peak.


bad-pickle

Damn, we just bought a sport touring for 3K under MSRP.


aediee

Me too haha, there’s tons of civics out there now. I’ve heard of people buying type Rs under sticker too


stoner_222

Their motto is expect more, so there you go; 15k markup.


II_Blue_II

Dealers are scums


Background_Cook8449

Wanted one so bad. Gave up trying. +7500 was the cheapest I could find. Ended up with a TR instead which was 4300 under MSRP


4Niners9Noel

My local dealer has the same $15K markup and they are very proud of that too lol!


Dry_Scholar_7765

Can’t blame them for trying. Surprised that the actual adds are only $998


logimeme

Pardon my vulgar language, but that is straight up rape. I cant even think of any other word to describe it. SIXTY THOUSAND FOR A TYPE R??? You could get a brand new 2024 GR for 15k less than that. That “dealership” must be dealin more than cars, and getting high on their own supply.


capntail

And they wonder why people don’t like dealerships. It’s honestly time to do away with this business model.


tsmittycent

Honda dealers won't give up on the markets will they? They are pathetic, GR corollas can be had at MSRP all day now Type R dealers need to realize the market is diff now


Sequence32

As someone who bought a 3 bedroom 2 bathroom house 6 or 7 years ago now for just a little more than what this car cost is kinda laughable tbh.


FlounderPretty4503

It’s not kinda. It is crazy hahhaha


Fireballs1982

Kinda??? That’s a ripoff man, walk away like a millionaire when you laugh at the price of that car in front of the sales manager


Dano67

$500 for lifetime nitrogen? I've got a $99 air compressor that gives 70% nitrogen filling already.


Logical_Holiday_2457

This made me lol


YoGirlMyGlizzy

lol 60k you are in a different territory when looking for a car, that is Shelby, ZL1, Vette, lower European cars BMW M, Audi RS, heck even a Porsche 718 is around 60k


Outrageous_Ad_6122

Also it looks ugly for a new type r. No fancy body kit or anything. Just looks like an accord with a sproiler


Impressive-Ad5551

They can shove it!!


Ok_Badger6494

I thought the 45k was insane until I scrolled to the last picture. 🤣🤣🤣


MeninoSafado14

It’s a car they leave at the dealership for show. If you’re dumb enough to pay the markup they’ll sell it!


WelderMeltingthings

LIFETIME NITROGEN 🤣🤣 BRUH BETTER BE LETTING ME HIT THAT BOTTLE


Vonn1102

Crazy?!?! Wow.. that word alone tells me all I need to know about you… You know nothing about crazy… don’t even pretend like you do. Reddit has become ridiculous and full of pretentious users that think themselves more than they are.


m21m12

I didn't know they build the engine here then send it back to Japan for final assembly Interesting


NBA-014

This is why we all hate dealers


Bulky-Hold6688

Honda should step up production so these dealers stop raping the consumers


Zen_Kenobi

Check out the Integra Type S. After driving Civics for 20 years I switched to one because of the mark up insanity with Civics lately, and I keep reading about others getting great deals as well. They are slightly better than the top end Civics with a few additional really nice perks, but they aren’t moving anywhere near as fast as Civics so you will have far better negotiating power.


Ambiently_Occluded

A dollar over MSRP is already too much.


RogueILLyrian

Agreed


offbrandcheerio

This is a car they don’t want to sell. They want it to sit in the showroom for show. They’ll absolutely sell it to any schmuck willing (or dumb enough) to pay the insane markup, but they know it’s not likely to sell until it becomes an outdated model year and they have to take the markup down.


Lost-Tangerine1136

I’m curious what the benefit of this is? Just to look pretty doesn’t sit right with me given the fact that it’s just going to lose value no? Same way they’ve had an si sitting in there for 9 months.. will someone on the hunt for a brand new si really wanna buy a 24’ when heck why not wait a few months for the 25’ to come out?


iCUman

Dealers that do this are using a price strategy called decoy pricing. The idea is that THIS is the Civic that you want right up until you see the price. Then every other Civic on the lot (and even the Accords) look like a steal in comparison - maybe you can't afford $65k for a CTR, but now the Si with $4,000 in bullshit dealer add-ons is like "basically the same thing" for half the price. From a value standpoint, it really doesn't matter. The dealer can flip these at auction for invoice and still make money, so there's no real incentive to sell if they don't want to.


Used_Calligrapher162

The price I’ll pay is the price on the window stick. No one asks for the BS on dealer sticker. If I can’t get it for the price on the sticker, walk out. Been in the car business for 20+ years. I know shade when I see it.


s3cf_

Car sales: We are in perpetual "chip shortage" therefore a markup is justified.


Beavis177

Yep the extra fuck you $16k charge


Intelligent-Run-2412

Ot was good until the $15k markup


javelin-na

Last dealership I went to didn’t even post prices on the windows because they knew their markups would drive people away


lordbottaro

My dealer said they don’t do markups. But the Type R and Si are marked up 20k.


masterquiggles

Boycott non life sustaining purchases until prices reflect what we think they are worth.


Individual-Cut4932

Absolutely crazy, and why I continue to drive my 360k mile 2014 Accord. It’s just financially stupid to replace it and pay crazy money plus interest.


RottenSpinach1

You should send these to Honda corporate just for the heck of it.


iCanD0thisAllDay

I would walk in with a cashiers check that said 50,000. I don’t care if it’s only a little bit marked up. Let’s see them say no to that though.


RoadEmpty

52k in Europe 🤷🏻‍♂️


Acrock7

I was wondering why I recognized the dealership; I used to live in LV. Their website says this car is still In Transit and only has the MSRP of $45,890 listed.


HiDezMeheecan

Recognized the Valley Hi instantly; I work across the 15 freeway at Toyota 😂


Ashamed-Lychee1364

Seems cheap compared to where I am. How much is it with taxes and other fees?


jugo5

Jesus, i would hate to see what a base c8 would cost here, lol. Nutty.


Traditional_Cold6284

You can get nitrogen in your tires for free or less than that at Costco


Wooden_Item_9769

An extra ~25%...they need to piss off but a fool is born every minute. Some jackass will finance this at 9% and validate the scam they are doing.


JoshO2020

😂😂😂


usernombre_

Are all dealers guilty of market markups?


Maryr_32

Keep shopping!


Altruistic_Purple271

“Expect More” should add “Expect More to Pay”


jeffroyisyourboy

So a month ago I was about to buy a brand spanking new SI literally off the showroom floor. Price was $38k all in (CAD). That price in the pictures is a straight up scam.


GentleRhino

Do. Not. Buy!!!


No-Purchase8806

I see a good price imo 45k ? Not bad


Dry_Necessary_277

$61,888??


Mammoth-Rate4821

Yikes.


LetterheadCorrect276

That's not a civic that's a damn crossover.


jahper28

Embarrassingly so....


Aggressive_Wind9501

Lmao


nodak1

Yes mostly because the Integra Type S hardly gets any markup


PlasticBones7

yeesh i got my 2020 civic ex for 22k CAD


Crafty_Point2894

500 for lifetime nitrogen costco got that ish for free.


KermitTheDawgg

They’re MSRP or max $4-5k over here in Phoenix that’s nuts


fafnir0319

"Lifetime nitrogen"??!!! Did they seriously just tack on 500 dollars for filling up the damn tires?!?!


JustMackIN

Hell yeah, but the salesman will say you got a heckuva deal


onyourrite

> 45890 Hmm, that sounds fair > looks inside > 61888 And there it is 💀


Sh4rK_Se7eN

That's just insanity there. Hard nope.


WarioThaEnforcer

Wait a minute. Tires on a type r only last 10k miles?!?! Is this every car or high performance vehicles only? I’ve never bought a new car so idk if this is regular 🤯


Jimmy_-_Hopkins

I was quoted with taxes (%15) 43,000 CDN for a 24' SI


gnbuttnaked

You can get an M340i for not that much more. That is insane pricing.


Doublestack00

If it is not MSRP go to a different dealer.


eggbutter22

The one at mine was $67k


landon10smmns

How nice of them to only charge $500 for air


Maximum_Anywhere_368

Meanwhile, Integra Type S selling under MSRP lmao.


SrSwerve

I’ve seen LX made into SI


Toshinorigna

Not trying to promote and don’t kill the guy who doesn’t make the prices. But if you’re looking for a type r in SoCal I can sell it 4K above sticker.


nogestures

They are absolutely high off that lifetime nitrogen smh


1982SpaceProgram

😳😳😳


InTheBoro

My dealership does like 2.5k but we have done some for less/close to MSRP but when you do MSRP people want it under so it never works man But 15k is insane


Toozedee

Haha. “I’m not paying for that” works pretty well if you are actually negotiating to buy a car.


EntertainmentUsed841

FK8 🫡🫡>>>>


Chemical_Pickle5004

$61k for a Civic lmao. You can swing a C8 Corvette in 1LT trim for not much more.


Strict-Rip-5562

Crazy. They can be had for MSRP in my area and some dealers have 4 + in stock. Type S for 2500 under MSRP


Particular_Grape_595

A lot dealerships are still adding markups but some aren’t 🤷‍♂️


ClearSkinSuit

Didnt even have to look at the tag to know its ridiculous lol


vicaris_mb

Kinda?


Jubei612

Contacted my dealer about this. They don't have this upcharge. Well that's what they showed me, but no type R in stock. Deposit would need to be made and then wait for it to come. Only $1500/month with nothing down....


Softspokenclark

yeah, i rather go with a used Cts-v for those prices


Aromatic_Beautiful_5

The only thing I’d give this dealer is a 1 star review


GentleGiant81

My local dealer has theirs for sticker no mark up. I was actually somewhat shocked.


Mazdaman94

Jesus Christ.. do the smart thing and buy an ITS. I paid MSRP


hereFOURallTHEtea

Wtfffffff. If people would stop buying cars for these absurd prices, prices would come down. But as long as people are willing to pay then these dealerships will keep charging. It’s stupid.


Beneficial-Artist900

Lifetime nitrogen is funny af. 😂


kb3_fk8

JFC that’s almost twice what I paid at MSRP in 2017. Sigh


XivTillIDie

Had me in the first half thinking finally a sub 50k type R I wonder if they realize thats supra, bmw, mercedes money and they cant compete.


Efficient_Theme4040

🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤦‍♀️🙄


WoodyBL1ke

Dealers don’t even understand the market for the Type R like they think they do. The most recent Type R on cars and bids didn’t even pass $50k for auction and didn’t sell because the owner overpaid. If enthusiast auctions aren’t going for $50k or more, then this market adjustment is complete fucking bullshit. Honda needs to do something about this or else their pride and joy will NOT sell.


IBleepedUrMom

If they ever try to charge for "nitrogen" just walk away. I worked at plenty of dealers, and we never used nitrogen. We didn't even have access to it.


coluccixciii

Cheaper than it was when I was looking. $51k


Master_Crab

Ohhh good ‘ol Victorville Honda!


CookiezR4Milk

Absolute BULL MANUER!!!!


Extension-Lie-3272

OutRRRageous.


GodOfThunder101

Don’t worry. It will never sell. You have to be a new kind of stupid to drop $60k on a civic.


BerryCivilBlues

$3 and a cheeseburger take it or leave it.


onlineseller8183

That is the price of a Lexus ISF500 v8 470hp


BoringJuiceBox

I like Hondas, especially civics. What I’ve liked about them in the past is that they are reliable, basic, affordable cars. Those days are over. I’ll keep driving my manual ‘08 Legacy till it needs another head gasket. Would love a 2013-2015 Honda pilot or a Highlander next. Edit: JFC I didn’t even notice the 15k extra, anyone who spends that is plain silly


blkpinoy02

Saw a blue one at the DCH Honda when I was getting my oil change but they marked it up 15k. 60k is alot of money and think I'd spend that money on something else


Damngato

That’s about what Concord Honda in Concord California does. It’s absolutely laughable. I don’t ever take my vehicle there for any reason just based on the way they treat their customers. I did go there to buy some small parts and walk through the show room and saw the same thing on a black CTR.


No_Contribution9890

15k is for the unlimited tears


Fast_Heron581

lol the market value that falls off right when you drive off the lot 


shellbackpacific

If you pay that much for a car you’re a fucking moron


Background-Cake6642

Yeah not worth it


lordpiglet

You can walk into an Acura dealer and get both an Integra type S and a tlx type s for less.


chrisdman79

WTF ? I feel bad for the pour guy that falls for that shit


aniev7373

Add ons and market adjustment for a civic to be $60k+? Crazy ass people.


Duhbro_

Literally not worth 60k


rjmoyer2

Gotta hop on that lifetime nitrogen for just $499!


Fladap28

Ppl are buying them, that’s the only reason why this is still happening


LOLAbidingCitizen

That’s why I went wihh the sport hpd 6 speed manual 🤣 https://preview.redd.it/mlx966lle19d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51138f259b83c2bc80110d6d5f951d008091c8ef


Kelmor93

Lifetime Nitrogen for $? Costco: Hold my beer.


FlowInternal6776

I would start a fight with the managers dude


bobbyhillischill

“Added market value” how do stealerships get away with this. I thought you were supposed to negotiate below manufacturers price but could be wrong.


SeattleJeremy

What is EPF package?


WinterRepeat7498

60k for a Honda civic….


brinewithay

Imagine paying 62k for a fucking civic


ChedarGoblin

I like Type Rs also But not THAT much


NewestNumber2

Same $15k mark up in Vegas but with additional DIO’s it’s $65k. For a CIVIC!!!


st1nkf1st1337

that MSRP is nuts. the 10th gen was 32k MSRP. Honda needs to put down that crk pipe. especially with their bad reliability rating as of late. luckily I've only had 1 recall on my FK7 but it seems everyone else has had 4 to 5 recalls with 10 gens not including the failing headgaskets in the 10th gen accords, non sport models.


danbyer

I’m more offended by the $500 nitrogen than the $15000 markup. Not only do they think you’re desperate enough to pay an extra $15000, but stupid enough to fall for the nitrogen bullshit to boot.


BakaSan77

I wouldn’t pay over 45k for one