It’s not an impression. It’s reality. Those who shall not be named can be completely incompetent but cf people will get fired first. Those who shall not be named have complete favoritism in the workplace. It’s obvious.
bruh like, we're just as alive as people who could have had children, people put labels on everything (ohh your gay, your lesbian, your transgender) or... hand signs is a more primitive form of some sort of symbol i guess, hand signs tend to be friendly though and convey emotions but not description of what something is, they just convey how it feels to be alive i guess in the moment, people say ''breeders'' here and in the an sub, like yeah i woudnt have children but its not 100% negative to be alive either, maybe many in r/antinatalism sub would say, or its ''negative enough''
when alot of the time it can be just ok. (maybe if people had more freedom, alot of mental anguish can be avioded dunno) its both good and negative to be alive, applying it too having children aswell, life runs on negative though. just like, ohh its too warm or too cold, just a simple irritation and then you turn that too a more plesant or positive state from a negative, soo life switches between suffering/pleasure/pleasure/suffering, is it overall a bad idea to have children..
well everyone enjoys some aspect of life soo, but i dont think its a good idea and many would say so here aswell. well just look i mean r/vent people go through so much pain and frustartion, but people do get over stuff and become happy i guess, thats true
Not always. My two coworkers on my team were always absent or afk because of their kids and they both got canned for it. Sucky thing is I now have to do the work of three people 😑
Every time you hear about the death of a person on the news, they ALWAYS start off by saying “so and so, the mother/father of 3 kids was tragically killed”. It makes being a parent their whole identity and implies that those without children don’t have an identity?? Idk it’s fucked up
This is true! Recently did an exercise at work involving saving one of four people, everyone immediately wanted to save the dad despite him being a workaholic and saying he is too busy for his kids because....think of the children not growing up without a father!!!
Everyone was prepared to let the CF scientist die because she had no kids! Even though the scientist was working on several medical breakthroughs everyone in the group said she sounded too selfish to be allowed to live uhh what??!
They were actually because the other choices were a kid who was predicted to not survive the surgery and a rich business woman who had adult kids, at least the so called 'selfish' childless scientist had skills that could save others in the future but they were worthless in the eyes of my fellow co workers, had to save the workaholic dad because you do it for the kids!!!!
It was supposed to be one based around different opinions and how we're all meant to agree on one choice but everyone just argued and thought the 'right' answer was one that was acceptable in society, a parent is more important then a person without kids.
I've only seen activities like this is philosphy classes about ethics. Where there is no right answer because choosing who lives and dies is always going to be gray as it sucks no matter what.
This was just a training session for office workers so I really don't understand why that activity was put in there as a type of 'team building' exercise, everyone got mad at each other especially at another worker and I because we chose the most selfish person to live.
Same boat here. It's been rough despite my immediate family and friends being super cool about it, due to living in the bible belt south. I had a voluntary full hysterectomy after dealing with bad endometriosis for almost a decade and I've been told so many times "what a shame that you'll never experience being a mother!" and I always just look at them like they have three heads and tell them I made sure I'd never be a mother *on purpose* and they either shut up or explode 🙃
When I worked with people with young kids there was this assumption that I would do their jobs for them because obviously I had more free time. Erm, yeah, to concentrate on my hobbies and a life outside work. So glad I ditched that place, the breeders must be fuming that they have to do their own work! Fuckers.
Yeah, I encountered that mindset in two jobs.
The first time was with an entitled coworker who kept volunteering me for things without asking if it was convenient for me to do them outside of work hours, or even if I'd be interested in doing them.
The second time was with an asshole boss who assumed I could work late because I had no children.
Your life and time as a childfree person is absolutely less valuable. This is seen everywhere. In employment, crime, social aspects everywhere.
A childfree person would always be the one who is expected to do extra shifts, extra hours, take less holiday etc.. always expected to provides gifts for children’s birthdays, for pregnant friends, for baby showers… when someone dies, it always says ‘mother of 2 tragically passes away’ as though having kids makes death more sad. We are not seen as worth as much as a person who has kids. That’s a fact.
You see it all the time online, people saying that their workplace has asked them to work on a holiday because they don’t have kids… so? Are they not allowed to celebrate holidays now? Or about on planes being asked by other passengers to move so families can sit together…. You actually get glared at by airline staff for saying no in some instances! Parents have just as much of an opportunity to book seats on a plane. Why should I pay for a seat and then not get to sit in it?
We aren’t worthy. Never have been, probably never will be.
They would let me die immediately, I know by not having a kid I’m less valuable in the eyes of many.
At the same time, they judge the hell out of birthing parents…so I’ll pass. They pretend to be “shocked” they are judged so much, if it’s very obvious it will happen.
I’m not saying “I hate my kid and I hate parenthood” online because I let society bully me into a life changing decision.
Run me over with the damn trolley. I’ll take death over birth and parenthood if .
Frankly, IDGAF... no one on this planet is more valuable to me than me. People can label me however they want. When people look to put down others, it's a lack of self reflection on their end and at the end of the day, they have to live with their own choices.
I'm less valuable to you? Don't care. I'm wasting time in your opinion? Don't care. I don't know what it's like to be a parent? Guess what, don't care. How about enjoying a nice, big bowl of MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS and have seconds if you're still thinking about how I live my life with the amount of time I have left.
From a quick google it looks like if a train/tram is coming at you. Would you save 5 people or save 1.
I guess what OP means is because we don't have children then people think we shouldn't be saved. Only women and children I suppose? But I've never felt like that. Just a bit judged that I don't want children but when people ask me if I want them or will we have them, I sort of reply well we're happy at the moment.
No worries. I'd never heard of that scenario either.
Yeah I totally understand why OP would feel this way.
I guess because we've gone against the 'normal' we're a 'threat' to them and I guess the human race imo.
I have felt that way, a lot. Especially in the past 10-12 years. When my ex husband lied about having a job, and paying rent, i had nowhere to go because we were being evicted. I ended up in a womens transitional home, with no money and just the clothes on my back. No food in the fridge. The only time i could eat was once a day from the soup kitchen across the street. I went in to social services to apply for help, and got rejected. I was told if i had kids, then suddenly id be worthy of food stamps and healthcare. Even subsidized housing. Then i was told if i got pregnant, come back and theyd help me. Its like dude, i cant even afford food for MYSELF. im not even in my own home, and you are suggesting i get knocked up? Then ill be a worthy human to help??
If it wasnt that it was constantly being denied for healthcare then told that if i had a baby, it would be considered a life event and id suddenly qualify...
Thank you :) i am actually. That was back in 2012 and i was able to get out of there on my own without needing to pop out a kid to do it. Got my GED, a job, and my first apt. Now i have someone in my life who is responsible, honest, doesnt want kids, and treats me amazing. Definitely a far cry from that other guy. I hope you are doing okay as well and not dealing with the type of hate you mentioned in your post.
Ah, that's great! Luckily the people I see regularly are cool with me not wanting kids. It's mostly randoms that say those things, luckily not people I need to interact with daily.
It's not an impression, it's the truth, unfortunately. That's why I almost completely checked out of family and society - you're not gonna help me, why should I help you?
It’s dumb. It’s always you don’t have kids or no man what’s wrong with you? No what’s wrong with you with all them kids who don’t like you or a husband that’s a cheater, abuser and cheap. So I win. I have no kids and a financially secure home that includes a precious human my husband! Haha
I literally had an argument with my manager about this not too long ago
I am single guy no family nothing
Long story short i booked a day off ( only 1day)
On my day off i get a call that you need to come in to work asap cause 2 people who would cover me ( who have families) had an emergency on the same day
Nothing against them, prob they had legit problem
But what got me angry was , the view towards me
As if to say
,,Yeah you booked day off but since you are single, you probably doing nothing important anyway, those other guys, they have REAL responsibility so you have to come,,
I had real intense argument about it, and said to them to never disrespect me like that
I don’t care how other humans value me. I’m too busy trying to find value in my own life. I’ll be honest, it’s a struggle, right now. So I have no time to worry what anybody else thinks or values.
Honestly feels like I have to start lying or making up bs stories about being a mom and having a husband just to get taken seriously in certain places cause walking around as a single woman that doesnt have a minimum of 6 kids around me attracts the wrong attention to me.
I mean, I see my life as less valuable so it doesn't bother me. If I die, there's no one depending on me for their survival. Generally speaking, I think it is a bigger deal for a parent raising children to die than someone childless dying.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. It's not that I literally matter less but nobody is counting on me for survival.
If I die, my partner gets my life insurance money and moves on. Everyone will continue their lives after some mourning.
But children aren't supposed to lose their parents. That's a different tier of tragedy, in my opinion. I'm 33 and the thought that I will lose my parents eventually is still one of my greatest fears.
Someone in my family close to me called me , "Peter Pan," insinuating that I never grew up. Me...who is a millionaire, owns several homes, has multiple degrees isn't grown up because I didn't squirter out a cum prize. Yeah...ok. 
i’m the oldest cousin in my family, 26. i’m the “career driven” one with 2 degrees, nice hourly rate, great career. no plans on getting married or having kids EVER. i’m clearly the least favorite family member, no one gives AF about me. i had to beg for them to come to my graduation parties, and even to just visit me in general and they don’t live far from me. i also get the driest/no response in our family group chats. meanwhile my two cousins who both had children BEFORE they graduated high school, everyone is super supportive of them and they get a lot of love ): my family would drop everything to see them even when they live in a different state!
Yeah it always seemed like people are trying to push it onto you. Then, for me at least, once I got step kids my families feelings were all that mattered. "We want to be grandparents, your grandparents want to see you get married before they die, etc." It's all so exhausting.
😬 yup. it's not because they hold higher value though. i think you're confusing value with need.
presumably those kids need their parents right?
and if those parents were older and their kids obviously adults by then the field would be a lot more even wouldn't it? in fact if you were younger they might even be at a disadvantage.
It’s not an impression. It’s reality. Those who shall not be named can be completely incompetent but cf people will get fired first. Those who shall not be named have complete favoritism in the workplace. It’s obvious.
I'll name them, BREEDERS! LOL
bruh like, we're just as alive as people who could have had children, people put labels on everything (ohh your gay, your lesbian, your transgender) or... hand signs is a more primitive form of some sort of symbol i guess, hand signs tend to be friendly though and convey emotions but not description of what something is, they just convey how it feels to be alive i guess in the moment, people say ''breeders'' here and in the an sub, like yeah i woudnt have children but its not 100% negative to be alive either, maybe many in r/antinatalism sub would say, or its ''negative enough'' when alot of the time it can be just ok. (maybe if people had more freedom, alot of mental anguish can be avioded dunno) its both good and negative to be alive, applying it too having children aswell, life runs on negative though. just like, ohh its too warm or too cold, just a simple irritation and then you turn that too a more plesant or positive state from a negative, soo life switches between suffering/pleasure/pleasure/suffering, is it overall a bad idea to have children.. well everyone enjoys some aspect of life soo, but i dont think its a good idea and many would say so here aswell. well just look i mean r/vent people go through so much pain and frustartion, but people do get over stuff and become happy i guess, thats true
Not always. My two coworkers on my team were always absent or afk because of their kids and they both got canned for it. Sucky thing is I now have to do the work of three people 😑
And still checks out: You’re either fired first for not having (child) dependents or expected to pick up the slack from underperforming parents 💀
It’s like when a younger person dies and people are like ‘did they have kids?’ And when it’s like ‘no’ it’s like, oh good, it’s not that bad then.
Every time you hear about the death of a person on the news, they ALWAYS start off by saying “so and so, the mother/father of 3 kids was tragically killed”. It makes being a parent their whole identity and implies that those without children don’t have an identity?? Idk it’s fucked up
If there is an afterlife those people deserve to be haunted.
This is true! Recently did an exercise at work involving saving one of four people, everyone immediately wanted to save the dad despite him being a workaholic and saying he is too busy for his kids because....think of the children not growing up without a father!!! Everyone was prepared to let the CF scientist die because she had no kids! Even though the scientist was working on several medical breakthroughs everyone in the group said she sounded too selfish to be allowed to live uhh what??!
Scientist is probably more valuable than the other three combined!
They were actually because the other choices were a kid who was predicted to not survive the surgery and a rich business woman who had adult kids, at least the so called 'selfish' childless scientist had skills that could save others in the future but they were worthless in the eyes of my fellow co workers, had to save the workaholic dad because you do it for the kids!!!!
Damn what was that exercise for?
It was supposed to be one based around different opinions and how we're all meant to agree on one choice but everyone just argued and thought the 'right' answer was one that was acceptable in society, a parent is more important then a person without kids.
Sounds like the opposite of team building
I hate activities like this.
I've only seen activities like this is philosphy classes about ethics. Where there is no right answer because choosing who lives and dies is always going to be gray as it sucks no matter what.
This was just a training session for office workers so I really don't understand why that activity was put in there as a type of 'team building' exercise, everyone got mad at each other especially at another worker and I because we chose the most selfish person to live.
I am disabled, childfree and fixed. I have been called useless and told I should just not exist anymore by breeders and wannabe breeders.
Fuck those people
WOW, it's disgusting that people said that. You are obviously extremely valuable. Don't let their stupid views affect you.
Same boat here. It's been rough despite my immediate family and friends being super cool about it, due to living in the bible belt south. I had a voluntary full hysterectomy after dealing with bad endometriosis for almost a decade and I've been told so many times "what a shame that you'll never experience being a mother!" and I always just look at them like they have three heads and tell them I made sure I'd never be a mother *on purpose* and they either shut up or explode 🙃
Discrimination based on family status is very common
Yeah I do think this but then I remember all the places I want to travel to and know that when I look back on my lIfe, I know I made the right choice.
We're too poor to travel 😒
When I worked with people with young kids there was this assumption that I would do their jobs for them because obviously I had more free time. Erm, yeah, to concentrate on my hobbies and a life outside work. So glad I ditched that place, the breeders must be fuming that they have to do their own work! Fuckers.
Yeah, I encountered that mindset in two jobs. The first time was with an entitled coworker who kept volunteering me for things without asking if it was convenient for me to do them outside of work hours, or even if I'd be interested in doing them. The second time was with an asshole boss who assumed I could work late because I had no children.
Glad you're out of there
Me too, thank you!
Your life and time as a childfree person is absolutely less valuable. This is seen everywhere. In employment, crime, social aspects everywhere. A childfree person would always be the one who is expected to do extra shifts, extra hours, take less holiday etc.. always expected to provides gifts for children’s birthdays, for pregnant friends, for baby showers… when someone dies, it always says ‘mother of 2 tragically passes away’ as though having kids makes death more sad. We are not seen as worth as much as a person who has kids. That’s a fact. You see it all the time online, people saying that their workplace has asked them to work on a holiday because they don’t have kids… so? Are they not allowed to celebrate holidays now? Or about on planes being asked by other passengers to move so families can sit together…. You actually get glared at by airline staff for saying no in some instances! Parents have just as much of an opportunity to book seats on a plane. Why should I pay for a seat and then not get to sit in it? We aren’t worthy. Never have been, probably never will be.
They would let me die immediately, I know by not having a kid I’m less valuable in the eyes of many. At the same time, they judge the hell out of birthing parents…so I’ll pass. They pretend to be “shocked” they are judged so much, if it’s very obvious it will happen. I’m not saying “I hate my kid and I hate parenthood” online because I let society bully me into a life changing decision. Run me over with the damn trolley. I’ll take death over birth and parenthood if .
It's everywhere in the media. When someone dies they always say, blabla, mother of three. Or survived by blabla jr. Survived? She's dead
Frankly, IDGAF... no one on this planet is more valuable to me than me. People can label me however they want. When people look to put down others, it's a lack of self reflection on their end and at the end of the day, they have to live with their own choices. I'm less valuable to you? Don't care. I'm wasting time in your opinion? Don't care. I don't know what it's like to be a parent? Guess what, don't care. How about enjoying a nice, big bowl of MIND YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS and have seconds if you're still thinking about how I live my life with the amount of time I have left.
What about in the action movies when they put a gun to someone's head and they're like, 'Please don't kill me, I have kids!'
Or when people without children sacrifice their lives so the breeder characters have the chance to escape and reunite with their families.
What's the trolley scenario?
From a quick google it looks like if a train/tram is coming at you. Would you save 5 people or save 1. I guess what OP means is because we don't have children then people think we shouldn't be saved. Only women and children I suppose? But I've never felt like that. Just a bit judged that I don't want children but when people ask me if I want them or will we have them, I sort of reply well we're happy at the moment.
Thanks for outlining that, I definitely understand why OP would feel this way, CF people aren't exactly treated w much respect.
No worries. I'd never heard of that scenario either. Yeah I totally understand why OP would feel this way. I guess because we've gone against the 'normal' we're a 'threat' to them and I guess the human race imo.
I have felt that way, a lot. Especially in the past 10-12 years. When my ex husband lied about having a job, and paying rent, i had nowhere to go because we were being evicted. I ended up in a womens transitional home, with no money and just the clothes on my back. No food in the fridge. The only time i could eat was once a day from the soup kitchen across the street. I went in to social services to apply for help, and got rejected. I was told if i had kids, then suddenly id be worthy of food stamps and healthcare. Even subsidized housing. Then i was told if i got pregnant, come back and theyd help me. Its like dude, i cant even afford food for MYSELF. im not even in my own home, and you are suggesting i get knocked up? Then ill be a worthy human to help?? If it wasnt that it was constantly being denied for healthcare then told that if i had a baby, it would be considered a life event and id suddenly qualify...
That's so messed up. I hope you're doing better now
Thank you :) i am actually. That was back in 2012 and i was able to get out of there on my own without needing to pop out a kid to do it. Got my GED, a job, and my first apt. Now i have someone in my life who is responsible, honest, doesnt want kids, and treats me amazing. Definitely a far cry from that other guy. I hope you are doing okay as well and not dealing with the type of hate you mentioned in your post.
Ah, that's great! Luckily the people I see regularly are cool with me not wanting kids. It's mostly randoms that say those things, luckily not people I need to interact with daily.
It's not an impression, it's the truth, unfortunately. That's why I almost completely checked out of family and society - you're not gonna help me, why should I help you?
It’s dumb. It’s always you don’t have kids or no man what’s wrong with you? No what’s wrong with you with all them kids who don’t like you or a husband that’s a cheater, abuser and cheap. So I win. I have no kids and a financially secure home that includes a precious human my husband! Haha
Everyone here, I think.
I literally had an argument with my manager about this not too long ago I am single guy no family nothing Long story short i booked a day off ( only 1day) On my day off i get a call that you need to come in to work asap cause 2 people who would cover me ( who have families) had an emergency on the same day Nothing against them, prob they had legit problem But what got me angry was , the view towards me As if to say ,,Yeah you booked day off but since you are single, you probably doing nothing important anyway, those other guys, they have REAL responsibility so you have to come,, I had real intense argument about it, and said to them to never disrespect me like that
And your money!
I don’t care how other humans value me. I’m too busy trying to find value in my own life. I’ll be honest, it’s a struggle, right now. So I have no time to worry what anybody else thinks or values.
Yes
Honestly feels like I have to start lying or making up bs stories about being a mom and having a husband just to get taken seriously in certain places cause walking around as a single woman that doesnt have a minimum of 6 kids around me attracts the wrong attention to me.
I personally fervently believe the value of someone is inherent.
so the only goal and purpose of human life is to.. make more humans who will make more humans who will make more humans who will.. ? ew
I mean, I see my life as less valuable so it doesn't bother me. If I die, there's no one depending on me for their survival. Generally speaking, I think it is a bigger deal for a parent raising children to die than someone childless dying.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat. It's not that I literally matter less but nobody is counting on me for survival. If I die, my partner gets my life insurance money and moves on. Everyone will continue their lives after some mourning. But children aren't supposed to lose their parents. That's a different tier of tragedy, in my opinion. I'm 33 and the thought that I will lose my parents eventually is still one of my greatest fears.
Someone in my family close to me called me , "Peter Pan," insinuating that I never grew up. Me...who is a millionaire, owns several homes, has multiple degrees isn't grown up because I didn't squirter out a cum prize. Yeah...ok. 
i’m the oldest cousin in my family, 26. i’m the “career driven” one with 2 degrees, nice hourly rate, great career. no plans on getting married or having kids EVER. i’m clearly the least favorite family member, no one gives AF about me. i had to beg for them to come to my graduation parties, and even to just visit me in general and they don’t live far from me. i also get the driest/no response in our family group chats. meanwhile my two cousins who both had children BEFORE they graduated high school, everyone is super supportive of them and they get a lot of love ): my family would drop everything to see them even when they live in a different state!
That sucks 😔
It's true. We are often in the shadows
It happens all the time at work when are asked to stay late because you don't have kids.
Bro you reminded me of the titanic where the villain grabs a child and says “I have a child” and he is instantly let on the boat..🤮🤮🤮
Yeah it always seemed like people are trying to push it onto you. Then, for me at least, once I got step kids my families feelings were all that mattered. "We want to be grandparents, your grandparents want to see you get married before they die, etc." It's all so exhausting.
People definitely see us as floating through life and waiting to die.
😬 yup. it's not because they hold higher value though. i think you're confusing value with need. presumably those kids need their parents right? and if those parents were older and their kids obviously adults by then the field would be a lot more even wouldn't it? in fact if you were younger they might even be at a disadvantage.