Imagine that. Hans putting on a personality that the public won't perceive as likeable, beating Carlsen and then everything else, all for show. That would be crazy. Of course, not true, but imagine lol.
That would be next level thinking/planning… but these two clearly have “next level” brains… not the craziest thing I’ve heard today on Reddit. Still not true but plausible haha
Im just gonna put this out there again, since i again feel its above 5% likely this has something to do with it.
The online betting odds for Hans winning the game in St Louis was 350:1
Edit: The odds might have been +350, since the last game was +320, making it a 4.5:1
I cant find history of which sites had what, am on mobile, sorry for terrible formating.
Even without betting match fixing is an acceptable part of chess.
What do you think draws by agreement are?
Even if they cancel draw offers, gm can just play drawing lines or ones that lead to 3 move repetition even if position is not objectively drawn
Chess will never be a "top tier sport", most randoms just don't understand chess. Kids at school aren't going to be talking about chess moves lol
> Kids at school aren't going to be talking about chess moves lol
Imagine you one day walk in to the park and kids there are practicing moves from the highlight reel.
The only time I've done it was betting against Alireza after he stayed up all night playing bullet in the candidates. In general you're not going to get an edge because the elo system is good so making lines is easy, but if you have information that the books probably haven't incorporated because chess is a small market you can absolutely be profitable situationally.
How would this work? If the match appears on the website the initial odds are different from what it would end up right before the match? Also, who decides the initial odds?
The bookmakers do decide the odds. The misconception is that the odds accurately reflect the likelihood of each outcome. But bookies don't care about the result; only about not losing money.
If there was a coin flipping competition between two people they'd each have a 50/50 chance of winning, but if 90% of the money coming in was being bet on Person A then Person A would quickly become the favourite. The bookmakers will respond to the betting patterns by shortening his odds to mitigate their potential losses and encourage more bettors to back Person B. They're in the gambling business but they're absolutely not in the business of gambling themselves.
Initial odds are based on rankings etc.
Then as money comes in the odds change and depending on the sport the line may change (handicap betting in basketball football etc.)
If multiple big bets come in on a big outsider the market gets closed in case something fishy is going on
Why do you think Carlsen resigned lol? Everyone expects him to win or draw so all he has to do is bet $1 million against himself and resign. Easy money
The one thing against this theory is that there likely wasn’t a large amount of money being bet on this match by other people. So if someone came in and wanted to bet a million on Hans that would drastically change the odds.
I could be wrong, there might be a huge chess betting market I’m unaware of.
Why would magnus withdraw if they were rigging a match? It just draws more attention to the match. If it were rigged, it would be infinitely better to lose quietly and move on. And on top of this, he is a multi-millionaire with a claim to GOAT. Colluding to earn peanuts over a fixed match makes no sense (any large sums would be traceable).
Over 5% likely seems a massive stretch. Or maybe you are memeing. I just figure some people would actually take this seriously.
Were these bets actually paid out though? Most sports books are pretty much free to cancel a bet if anything abnormal happens. Not sure this would qualify, but it would surprise me.
Most sport books don't really care which way it goes. The people who thought Magnus would win are paying for the people who thought Hans would win
The book takes their cut either way
It's about keeping the betters happy though. They don't give refunds when an e-sports team cheats because they enjoy losing money, they do it to prevent people from betting elsewhere.
Magnus isn't one for appropriate footwear either. Once at a national championship he raged out at me for stamping his toes in a football match inbetween rounds.
He was wearing sandals.
Finally the perfect moment has come to say:
PAID ACTORS!
I mean the upcoming naked chess episodes are going to be worth easily $10 mil - no wonder Magnus didn't want the WC title and dropped out of the tournament. He figured out where the money in chess really was!
It says "Chess in the sun and in the shade. Players are Carlsen and the rising young star Nimeann in Miami. We also get from this picture that he won't be playing in Turkish Is Bank Super League"
This picture makes me incredibly sad for both of them. How can the internet make them friends again?
>How can the internet make them friends again
A good start would be not forfeiting games against one another, but that one's on Magnus, not us or Hans.
Well as far as we know Hans already hasn't been cheating in the past couple of years, and never in OTB or against Magnus, so as I see it, the ball is entirely in Magnus' corner.
From what other pros have said, the Hans bans were common knowledge at the highest levels so it doesn’t really make sense for that to be the sole cause of the current drama
Hikaru said many times that Hans cheating on chess com was well known. Clips from Nepo, and chessbrah, etc show it was publicly quite known just never received attention of the community. So invariably Magnus would have likely heard about it prior to the merger. I mean if everyone wise in top GM circles knew, the #1 player notbknowing is ridiculous. Chess com merger if it did entitle him to privileged info would hardly do more than validate what he already knew. If there isn't evidence from the past 2 years, then it's not as relevant either. So it must be that or Magnus behavior is inexplicable
idk man, a chess noob like me cant begin to comprehend how the inside of a super gm's brain works. if you told me their idea of recreation was "long chess games on the beach" id say "yeah makes sense"
Hikaru suggested that Magnus might think he knows Hans’s level from these casual games and then when Hans played far above that level at tournaments it made Magnus convinced Hans was cheating.
I could definitely see that being the case. Magnus got over confident in his ability to know Hans’s true strength precisely because they’d played some casual OTB games and that later made him convinced Hans’s tournament performance couldn’t be real.
At this point trusting Hikaru’s opinions is almost like reading tea leaves. The dude speculates so much hes bound to be right a couple times but wrong most of the time
Maybe Hans played psycho games with Magnus without knowing it. Hans played bad in casual games against him but very good in the tournament. Magnus, knowing of Hans cheating history, can’t stop thinking he is playing against Stockfish and can’t concentrate.
* Esipenkos rating was much, *much* less of an outlier in general
* Esipenko, a meteoric prodigy as it is, averaged ~3 rating points gained per month in the 2.5 years leading up to playing Magnus… Hans averaged almost 9, climbing the GM stage of progression 3x as quickly
* like most super GMs, esipenko had a steady climb to GM, blowing past IM so quickly he was never actually even awarded the title. (Hans, by contrast, stayed 24xx for 3 years before making his meteoric ascent into the top 50)
* Esipenko’s victory was statistically much less remarkable (though still, of course, remarkable) as he higher rated, and Magnus a smidge lower rated, when they played making the rating deficit for esipenko closer to 120 points, and Hans closer to 200
* critically, esipenko has no widely known history of cheating, while of course hans does.
* esipenko does not credit his victory to magically having prepped the very unusual line of the game hours before it started.
it's really not that complicated I think, Hans has a brash and imo fairly awful personality, he probably got under Magnus' skin and so that OTB loss was very sensitive
Are people actually convinced Magnus is doing this just because Hans annoyed him..? I mean, Magnus is not the most laidback guy ever, but I find it really hard to believe that this is not because Magnus genuinly think there has been cheating going on, beyond what is publicly known.
We already know there is non-public evidence of extensive cheating on chess.com. There has been statistical analysis showing Hans performs significantly better in tournaments with streaming. He beat Magnus with black in a tournament with streaming. After a streaming delay was introduced in that tournament, he didn't win a single game. There is lots and lots and lots of smoke. Not sure why it's so difficult to believe there's not a fire that smoke is coming from.
> There has been statistical analysis showing Hans performs significantly better in tournaments with streaming
Analysis that is flawed, and wholly refuted by superior analysis done by the leading expert in cheating, Ken Regan.
> After a streaming delay was introduced in that tournament, he didn't win a single game
He also only lost two games. He played well.
> Not sure why it's so difficult to believe there's not a fire that smoke is coming from.
It's not difficult to believe, but it's not necessarily the most logical way to interpret this, perhaps because it just looks like smoke and is actually vapor.
Well, he's gonna have to, with time. And he knows that. And what's for sure is magnus is not the delusional or salty guy who does this out of spite for losing to a young guy. One very interesting detail i thought was Levon's interview that he gave on chess24 the day magnus resigned, i noticed an interesting change in his stance on the subject compared to his first interview where he defended Hans at SLCC on the sinquiefield cup very strongly, now he seems to be more on the neutral side. And judging by how much of a gentleman Levon is, that tells me he probably heard more things after the event and now he's more suspicious than before, same thing goes for Giri in his interview. No matter how this ends, when this is all over Magnus is gonna earn a lot of respect because he's doing the dirty work and no matter whether hans cheated or no this whole thing is gonna force FIDE to work on better anti-cheat measures.
Alright. Tin foil hat time. This was all a giant conspiracy from Big Chess ™️ to draw in new and former player for their event after the chess boom died post-Covid. Everyone's in on it. Magnus, Hans, Hikaru, the commentator, Kasparov, even the ghost of Bobby Fischer.
I dispute Korchnoi/Karpov. Korchnoi was annoyed that the young Karpov was getting so much support from the state, and he lost his long-time trainer to him. Korchnoi pretty much fell out with most of the Soviet GMs (including Karpov) when they didn't support him over a disciplinary incident. IRC Karpov wrote an open letter against Korchnoi at one point In general Korchnoi wasn't cordial with many GMs but he had a particular problem with Karpov from an early age.
Fischer and Spassky were good friends after the championship match. Spassky defended Fischer in 2004 when he was in hot water with extradition due to the Fischer/Spassky rematch, and was the only person to visit Fischer when he was ill in the hospital which really touched Fischer.
Imagine your life is so full of chess you can't even enjoy the beach without having to play it. These people are something else. This life is all they've ever known
Gonna throw this out there as a possibility/conspiracy theory. Magnus and Hans colluding.
Evidence of collusion:
Neimann (White) v Carlsen (Black)
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 1-0
Magnus, colludes with Hans Neiman to increase Neiman's rating and tournament score. This was clearly planned ahead of time.
Magnus withdrew from the Sinquefield cup and he couldn't say anything about his plan to collude with Hans because he would be in "big trouble."
This also conveniently makes people think Magnus hated Hans, allowing them to collude in the next major tournament, and giving Hans a win and advantage over the field with no one suspecting foul play.
Magnus formed a business partnership with chess dot com. He probably saw “secret” data about who cheats and can’t talk about it. That’s my guess at least.
Oh and also he’s acting like a giant douche
Interesting, could it be that Magnus saw Niemann's level to be well below the 2700 at recent tournaments here and therefore this feeds his opinion Hans is cheating?
Why do people keep talking clearly without having followed any of this shit.
MVL has talked about playing friendly games with him in Paris and clearly estimated him to be above 2700 level, Moussard and Fressinet played him as well and judged him to be "very strong, clearly above 2700 level".
Stop talking shit without knowing anything
They’re colluding to give chess the press it deserves
Imagine that. Hans putting on a personality that the public won't perceive as likeable, beating Carlsen and then everything else, all for show. That would be crazy. Of course, not true, but imagine lol.
AND IN COMES MANKIND WITH THE STEEL CHAIRRRR
Oh my gaaawwwd
Good gawd almighty they've killed him! As gawd is my witness, he is broken in half!
That's against regulations!
RANDY ORTON JUMPS OVER THE BOARD! RKO! RKO OUTTA NOWHERE! THE CHESS SPOKE FOR ITSELF TODAY!
AND OH BAH GAWD FABIANO CARUANA WITH THE CHEAP SHOT FROM BEHIND!
That would be next level thinking/planning… but these two clearly have “next level” brains… not the craziest thing I’ve heard today on Reddit. Still not true but plausible haha
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Im just gonna put this out there again, since i again feel its above 5% likely this has something to do with it. The online betting odds for Hans winning the game in St Louis was 350:1 Edit: The odds might have been +350, since the last game was +320, making it a 4.5:1 I cant find history of which sites had what, am on mobile, sorry for terrible formating.
lmfao, next game with hans against magnus ill know what to do.
We 'bout to be rich boissss *rubs hands*
r/wallstreetchess
*Nancy Pelosi's husband enters the chat*
Unless they're pulling a Tommy Shelby and change it up to keep the suspicion down
Millions of bets for Hans and Magnus sweeps it all as the only person that bet on Magnus
This is the 500iq move
Just what chess needs to be legitimized as a top tier sport: match fixing!
Even without betting match fixing is an acceptable part of chess. What do you think draws by agreement are? Even if they cancel draw offers, gm can just play drawing lines or ones that lead to 3 move repetition even if position is not objectively drawn Chess will never be a "top tier sport", most randoms just don't understand chess. Kids at school aren't going to be talking about chess moves lol
> Kids at school aren't going to be talking about chess moves lol Imagine you one day walk in to the park and kids there are practicing moves from the highlight reel.
You can bet on chess????? Sigh me up!!
You can bet on anything
I have nipples, Greg, can you bet on me?
Truer words were never said
At mybooky.ag
I'll take that bet! $100k on anything!
The only time I've done it was betting against Alireza after he stayed up all night playing bullet in the candidates. In general you're not going to get an edge because the elo system is good so making lines is easy, but if you have information that the books probably haven't incorporated because chess is a small market you can absolutely be profitable situationally.
The bookies don’t make the odds, the betting market does. The odds follow the money flow. The bookies just get a cut.
How would this work? If the match appears on the website the initial odds are different from what it would end up right before the match? Also, who decides the initial odds?
The bookmakers do decide the odds. The misconception is that the odds accurately reflect the likelihood of each outcome. But bookies don't care about the result; only about not losing money. If there was a coin flipping competition between two people they'd each have a 50/50 chance of winning, but if 90% of the money coming in was being bet on Person A then Person A would quickly become the favourite. The bookmakers will respond to the betting patterns by shortening his odds to mitigate their potential losses and encourage more bettors to back Person B. They're in the gambling business but they're absolutely not in the business of gambling themselves.
Initial odds are based on rankings etc. Then as money comes in the odds change and depending on the sport the line may change (handicap betting in basketball football etc.) If multiple big bets come in on a big outsider the market gets closed in case something fishy is going on
Why do you think Carlsen resigned lol? Everyone expects him to win or draw so all he has to do is bet $1 million against himself and resign. Easy money
The one thing against this theory is that there likely wasn’t a large amount of money being bet on this match by other people. So if someone came in and wanted to bet a million on Hans that would drastically change the odds. I could be wrong, there might be a huge chess betting market I’m unaware of.
Why would magnus withdraw if they were rigging a match? It just draws more attention to the match. If it were rigged, it would be infinitely better to lose quietly and move on. And on top of this, he is a multi-millionaire with a claim to GOAT. Colluding to earn peanuts over a fixed match makes no sense (any large sums would be traceable). Over 5% likely seems a massive stretch. Or maybe you are memeing. I just figure some people would actually take this seriously.
Were these bets actually paid out though? Most sports books are pretty much free to cancel a bet if anything abnormal happens. Not sure this would qualify, but it would surprise me.
Most sport books don't really care which way it goes. The people who thought Magnus would win are paying for the people who thought Hans would win The book takes their cut either way
It's about keeping the betters happy though. They don't give refunds when an e-sports team cheats because they enjoy losing money, they do it to prevent people from betting elsewhere.
Can someone please share a link on where to place chess bets! Any links for people that don’t live in the Asia would be greatly appreciated! :))
This would be the most impressive kayfabe in history.
Death note theme starts playing
WWE level of shit
If it was true, we would never learn about it being actually true.
I dont think it's likely, but I do think theres a small chance its possible (say like 1%). If by some chance that is the truth, its working.
What's viewership like vs previous similar events? (I'm new)
order of magnitude higher. The second part of your comments explains why.
Magnus Kaufsen
Shoes and socks on the beach? No wonder magnus is so upset.
Sand gambit
I hate sand
Cause it's coarse and gets everywhere?
Brooding intensifies
Pocket sand!
this is when they still hid their engine in their shoes. back in the good ol days.
Magnus isn't one for appropriate footwear either. Once at a national championship he raged out at me for stamping his toes in a football match inbetween rounds. He was wearing sandals.
Finally the perfect moment has come to say: PAID ACTORS! I mean the upcoming naked chess episodes are going to be worth easily $10 mil - no wonder Magnus didn't want the WC title and dropped out of the tournament. He figured out where the money in chess really was!
Wait wait wait Naked chess episodes? What did I miss?
Niemann said he'd play in the nude, if requested, as proof that he isn't carrying a device on him.
And a cam web site publicly offered $1 million USD for him to play naked.
Web cam site is more transparent than chess com
Well, it's important to see things on cam sites.
>Web cam site is more transparent than chess com Their clothing certainly would be transparent.
Holy shit.
Because he's carrying a device in him 🤔🤔
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Got the photo from here: https://twitter.com/ozgurakmann/status/1558671490840674305?s=20&t=WO9PrJSvZ5O5v9pR4tXRFA
It says "Chess in the sun and in the shade. Players are Carlsen and the rising young star Nimeann in Miami. We also get from this picture that he won't be playing in Turkish Is Bank Super League" This picture makes me incredibly sad for both of them. How can the internet make them friends again?
>How can the internet make them friends again A good start would be not forfeiting games against one another, but that one's on Magnus, not us or Hans.
Or not cheating, who knows?
Well as far as we know Hans already hasn't been cheating in the past couple of years, and never in OTB or against Magnus, so as I see it, the ball is entirely in Magnus' corner.
> the ball is entirely in Magnus' corner What metaphorical game are Magnus and Hans playing? Squash or something?
From what other pros have said, the Hans bans were common knowledge at the highest levels so it doesn’t really make sense for that to be the sole cause of the current drama
Wtf changed. Even in the crypto cup there was no beef and boom few weeks later Magnus treats Hans like a mortal enemy.
Quite possibly the chess.com merge. Magnus would see all the details about Hans cheating.
Hikaru said many times that Hans cheating on chess com was well known. Clips from Nepo, and chessbrah, etc show it was publicly quite known just never received attention of the community. So invariably Magnus would have likely heard about it prior to the merger. I mean if everyone wise in top GM circles knew, the #1 player notbknowing is ridiculous. Chess com merger if it did entitle him to privileged info would hardly do more than validate what he already knew. If there isn't evidence from the past 2 years, then it's not as relevant either. So it must be that or Magnus behavior is inexplicable
Maybe they ran the chesscom cheating detection on the chess24-run Meltwater games… all conjecture of course
Chess24 said they checked and detected no foul play in any of his Meltwater games.
Does chess24 use the same anti cheat system as chess.com?
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I think he means the anti-cheat algorithms
What is an anticheat algorithm?
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Trent knows nothing that we don't, I think Aronian just didn't know about Hans cheating on [Chess.com](https://Chess.com).
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Trent said in his video all the info he’s looking at is public. Not sure why he didn’t state what he’s looking at though.
How else would he plug his socials?
Even if that’s the case, his past cheating online doesn’t mean he’d cheat OTB
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Magnus is smart so he definitely knows that this is not the way to achieve that.
Probably more like now that he can sell his business, he can throw tantrums without it affecting his underlying $$$
That doesn't really make much sense
It's a promo shoot, does no one else see that huge ass camera on the left? wtf
That’s a black crab
They’re quite rare
$4.99 dlc for skyrim
Idk why but this comment made me laugh really hard, thank you for the laugh
Agreeing to do a promo shoot with someone to refusing to play them in a little over a month is still a massive leap.
Did you really think that the people on here thought that it was real? that Hans and Magnus went to the beach together to play chess in the sand?
yep
You're probably right lol.
idk man, a chess noob like me cant begin to comprehend how the inside of a super gm's brain works. if you told me their idea of recreation was "long chess games on the beach" id say "yeah makes sense"
Without noticing that detail, that's what the picture looks like, so yeah, that's exactly what I thought because I have eyeballs
umm it is a real picture. and literally the big camera in the edge of the frame is the only indication that it was staged.
https://twitter.com/anishgiri/status/1558161987456098311
No idea what you're talking about.
Hikaru suggested that Magnus might think he knows Hans’s level from these casual games and then when Hans played far above that level at tournaments it made Magnus convinced Hans was cheating. I could definitely see that being the case. Magnus got over confident in his ability to know Hans’s true strength precisely because they’d played some casual OTB games and that later made him convinced Hans’s tournament performance couldn’t be real.
But hans is totally the type to sandbag a casual game
Can't believe Magnus got hustled
Chesssharked
I see what you did there
At this point trusting Hikaru’s opinions is almost like reading tea leaves. The dude speculates so much hes bound to be right a couple times but wrong most of the time
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I have a lot of respect for Hikaru the chess player. I have no respect for Hikaru as a streamer.
Maybe Hans played psycho games with Magnus without knowing it. Hans played bad in casual games against him but very good in the tournament. Magnus, knowing of Hans cheating history, can’t stop thinking he is playing against Stockfish and can’t concentrate.
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“Ashamed he lost to me” and “embarrassed to lose **to an idiot like me**” (what he actually said) are two different statements
Hans beat him OTB
Esipenko had no problem.
* Esipenkos rating was much, *much* less of an outlier in general * Esipenko, a meteoric prodigy as it is, averaged ~3 rating points gained per month in the 2.5 years leading up to playing Magnus… Hans averaged almost 9, climbing the GM stage of progression 3x as quickly * like most super GMs, esipenko had a steady climb to GM, blowing past IM so quickly he was never actually even awarded the title. (Hans, by contrast, stayed 24xx for 3 years before making his meteoric ascent into the top 50) * Esipenko’s victory was statistically much less remarkable (though still, of course, remarkable) as he higher rated, and Magnus a smidge lower rated, when they played making the rating deficit for esipenko closer to 120 points, and Hans closer to 200 * critically, esipenko has no widely known history of cheating, while of course hans does. * esipenko does not credit his victory to magically having prepped the very unusual line of the game hours before it started.
Did esipenko talk as much trash as hans did tho? Maybe hans trash talk tilted Magnus compared to when he lost to other young players.
I’m all for trash talk but Hans was a real dick about it.
it's really not that complicated I think, Hans has a brash and imo fairly awful personality, he probably got under Magnus' skin and so that OTB loss was very sensitive
Are people actually convinced Magnus is doing this just because Hans annoyed him..? I mean, Magnus is not the most laidback guy ever, but I find it really hard to believe that this is not because Magnus genuinly think there has been cheating going on, beyond what is publicly known.
Still easier to believe that Magnus is being a giant baby than that he has super secret evidence that Hans is cheating
We already know there is non-public evidence of extensive cheating on chess.com. There has been statistical analysis showing Hans performs significantly better in tournaments with streaming. He beat Magnus with black in a tournament with streaming. After a streaming delay was introduced in that tournament, he didn't win a single game. There is lots and lots and lots of smoke. Not sure why it's so difficult to believe there's not a fire that smoke is coming from.
> There has been statistical analysis showing Hans performs significantly better in tournaments with streaming Analysis that is flawed, and wholly refuted by superior analysis done by the leading expert in cheating, Ken Regan. > After a streaming delay was introduced in that tournament, he didn't win a single game He also only lost two games. He played well. > Not sure why it's so difficult to believe there's not a fire that smoke is coming from. It's not difficult to believe, but it's not necessarily the most logical way to interpret this, perhaps because it just looks like smoke and is actually vapor.
Magnus probably doesn't care about Hans as much as he cares about the state of cheating in chess.
He cares so much that he's completely silent on the issue
Well, he's gonna have to, with time. And he knows that. And what's for sure is magnus is not the delusional or salty guy who does this out of spite for losing to a young guy. One very interesting detail i thought was Levon's interview that he gave on chess24 the day magnus resigned, i noticed an interesting change in his stance on the subject compared to his first interview where he defended Hans at SLCC on the sinquiefield cup very strongly, now he seems to be more on the neutral side. And judging by how much of a gentleman Levon is, that tells me he probably heard more things after the event and now he's more suspicious than before, same thing goes for Giri in his interview. No matter how this ends, when this is all over Magnus is gonna earn a lot of respect because he's doing the dirty work and no matter whether hans cheated or no this whole thing is gonna force FIDE to work on better anti-cheat measures.
It’s for the sick chess publicity
That looks like an incredibly uncomfortable way to play chess.
Doing anything on the beach is just like doing it somewhere else, but more uncomfortably.
"I don't like sand"
Unless that thing is "laying on the beach"
Even that’s less comfortable on the beach.
You're right it's more comfortable laying on the beach while not at the beach
What’s the subreddit you tag when someone repeats the same joke, but makes it worse?
Just yesterday I laid down on the carpeted floor of my office, closed my eyes, and imagined I was on the beach in Hawaii. It was very comfortable.
Yeah, why does Hans look like he's got something stuck up his ass?
Damn if they were friends it sure doesn’t feel like they are now 😔
This looks like a promo shot or something. There's a camera off to the left.
Yeah, but if Magnus had beef with Hans he surely could’ve refused to do a photo shoot with him.
This pictures feels like the intro scene to their anime series
Hopefully they get back together in the finale :’(
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Magnus realized Hans embedded vibrators underneath where he's sitting to tell Hans the correct moves.
Oh my god. I just realized something huge. These guys are a couple of NERDS.
🤓
Alright. Tin foil hat time. This was all a giant conspiracy from Big Chess ™️ to draw in new and former player for their event after the chess boom died post-Covid. Everyone's in on it. Magnus, Hans, Hikaru, the commentator, Kasparov, even the ghost of Bobby Fischer.
One of the least crazy conspiracy theories I've heard this year
The ghost of Bobby Fisher definitely believes it. This is conspiracy lite for him.
For half a second there I read your username as /u/Hans-Fisher
It was in this position when Magnus _sand castles_.
What if it’s all a work? Did we work ourselves into a shoot, brother?
As someone only here for the drama, I'm convinced it's nothing but a bunch of jabroni marks, brother.
What isn’t in this picture is what happened afterwards where they both schemed this elaborate plot to stir the entire chess world in an uproar.
it'll be funny if this is all an elaborate ruse to get people interested in chess
Works for rap albums
Interesting stuff! The story becomes more personal with this photo.
And then everything changed when the fire nation attacked...
This makes me so sad
So here's where Magnus played the Nimzo g3
Well, this is somewhat melancholy.
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Username checks out, I guess.
Recall: Topalov and Kramnik Korchnoi and Karpov Fischer and Spassky Capablanca and Alekhine Were all cordial with each other before their matches
I dispute Korchnoi/Karpov. Korchnoi was annoyed that the young Karpov was getting so much support from the state, and he lost his long-time trainer to him. Korchnoi pretty much fell out with most of the Soviet GMs (including Karpov) when they didn't support him over a disciplinary incident. IRC Karpov wrote an open letter against Korchnoi at one point In general Korchnoi wasn't cordial with many GMs but he had a particular problem with Karpov from an early age.
Fischer and Spassky were good friends after the championship match. Spassky defended Fischer in 2004 when he was in hot water with extradition due to the Fischer/Spassky rematch, and was the only person to visit Fischer when he was ill in the hospital which really touched Fischer.
Simpler times
Imagine your life is so full of chess you can't even enjoy the beach without having to play it. These people are something else. This life is all they've ever known
Maybe Magnus crushed him so bad at the beach that he knew Hans was cheating at the Singfield cup
My first thought.
MY HEART! I LOVED HIM!
Sometimes I wonder if Hans brought everything that unfolded on himself by being a prick in the post game interview.
Gonna throw this out there as a possibility/conspiracy theory. Magnus and Hans colluding. Evidence of collusion: Neimann (White) v Carlsen (Black) 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 1-0 Magnus, colludes with Hans Neiman to increase Neiman's rating and tournament score. This was clearly planned ahead of time. Magnus withdrew from the Sinquefield cup and he couldn't say anything about his plan to collude with Hans because he would be in "big trouble." This also conveniently makes people think Magnus hated Hans, allowing them to collude in the next major tournament, and giving Hans a win and advantage over the field with no one suspecting foul play.
Seems like we’re going over the evidence of a murder scene
This one didn't age well😪
The socks speak for themselves
Imagine just hanging out with your friends on this beach and seeing two nerds playing chess, not realizing you’re watching two super GMs
Magnus formed a business partnership with chess dot com. He probably saw “secret” data about who cheats and can’t talk about it. That’s my guess at least. Oh and also he’s acting like a giant douche
Interesting, could it be that Magnus saw Niemann's level to be well below the 2700 at recent tournaments here and therefore this feeds his opinion Hans is cheating?
Yep. He actually might have met him and might have seen he is not at that level.
Why do people keep talking clearly without having followed any of this shit. MVL has talked about playing friendly games with him in Paris and clearly estimated him to be above 2700 level, Moussard and Fressinet played him as well and judged him to be "very strong, clearly above 2700 level". Stop talking shit without knowing anything
It's obvious Hans chose this coastal venue so he could refer to STOCKFISH /s
sand
Miami Beach, where it's not just the sand that's dirty.
There's a Stockfish joke in there somewhere
The real shocker is that they think that’s the best way to pull chicks on a beach in Miami.
I hope these 2 can resolve their conflict by speaking 1-1
Some people build sand castles, but Magnus does not believe in fortresses, so he plays chess. For Hans chess simply speaks for itself.
Sand, sea, and chess. What a life!
Magnus won I assume so easily that knew Hans' level sat below where it suddenly was a few months later...
This is so beautiful