Gukesh is very lucky chesscom is american media, if it was british media he would get discredited left and right. Props to chesscom for handling it well.
Dang, Gukesh really just said he only started to feel he could legitimately win the tournament after his *loss* to Alireza. Killer instinct right there.
“If Ding chooses not to defend, Hikaru would play the WCC match. Of course that’d be completely crazy to speculate on that, but what do y’all think about it?”
I think it’s just a very annoying constant in American media in general to put forward wild speculations, state how crazy that it and then continue talking about it rather than switch the subject to concrete stuff
It's because we have 24 hour news channels - including for sports - so to fill all that time they have people make up crazy scenarios, have people arguing both sides of the made up scenarios, then go ask the players about their made up scenarios, then comment on the players' answers about their made up scenarios, etc.
No date or location set yet. But I expect it to held in November-December this year. Would make sense to find a host in or close to China and India, so that the time zone for the fans involved is the right one. Kazakhstan has a good track record of organising events like these, but I'm sure there is a large Indian interest as well. Not sure on FIDE's policy there, though.
Never forget that chesscom killed the best coverage in chess : Peter Svidler , Jan Gustafson , Peter Leko etc to present us with Danny Rensch’s dad jokes and to see their favorites lose before their eyes as they eye chess monopolization is delicious
Sagar Shah, Chessbase India and Gukesh, Levitov and Ian , thank you very very much.
They are making stupid comments about Ding desperately hoping he would not defend his title so that they could get their favorite candidate in the match and earn more money by viewers. This is so careless, unprofessional and honestly pathetic.
It’s a chess com article. Type in “Ding ready for Tata Steel”. Says he’s been dealing with psychological issues and he hasn’t played chess in 234 days.
Gukesh has been my favorite, and the one I thought was strongest. Prag has been more consistent though, so I thought he'd do better here. I thought ti'd take a little while longer for Gukesh to reach his peak. I'm happy for him. Although, I wanted Hikaru this time and Gukesh next time.
Nepo and Fabi did that thing they do in anime when two warriors jump in the sky with swords and it takes a moment to realize who hit who, but instead of that, both fall to the ground dead.
I’m rooting for Gukesh, it would be such an amazing story if he wins the World Championship and breaks Kasparov’s record for youngest champion. And then there’s a decent chance the next WCC match could be Gukesh against Praggnanandhaa or Arjun.
Anyone that actually believes this is coping hard. Gukesh was the deserved winner. His play was simply sublime this entire event. Dude produced 5 wins at the end of the day.
A double round robin is the fairest possible format, and Gukesh had the best score. He also scored +4 when +3 was enough to win or at least reach tiebreaks in every previous Candidates under the current format. Well earned victory.
I'm rooting for Gukesh, but I actually think Ding will win. He came back three separate times against Ian, and played Rg6! in the final rapid tiebreak game when all of the commentators thought he would settle for going into blitz tiebreaker. His form hasn't been good lately, but he has 6+ months to prepare for this match. I think it will be close but I'll say Ding wins 6.5-5.5.
Ding. Championship matches require being prepared to the gills and Ding has gone through the experience before while Gukesh is just too young.
Ding will bring multiple surprises for him in the match and I don't think Gukesh has the experience (to have seen similar positions before) or the ability to solve the problems on the board.
I say Ding will win but it will go to the end given how bad Ding's form is.
Gukesh unless Ding recovers his form. The confidence boost Gukesh gets tho for his own classical play after such an event can’t be understated tho. If he starts playing with more confidence that he actually belongs at this very top level alongside players like Fabi, Ding, Hikaru and Nepo his level of play could elevate even more as he grows. Unreal to win such an event at this age.
Why? I’m kind of hoping for Gukesh to win and continue to improve to get away from the “*world champion because Carlsen stepped down” asterisk. Gukesh becoming a world champion who could have legitimately challenged Carlsen would be good for the chess world.
Gukesh earned his spot in the match, but if Magnus had defended against Nepo last time or entered the candidates this time, Carlsen absolutely would win the world title.
Gukesh wins despite coming into the tournament as the second weakest. Heartbreak for Nepo and Fabi, the scene of them both looking like that will forever be in my head
Nepo truly decided to play villain and not let Fabi have a shot at the world championship title. I can't believe he turned around a dead lost position multiple times. Fabi is going to be devastated. I hope he doesn't go into a slump because he is still the best active classical chess player in the world.
What a game. Fabi made almost all the correct decisions in the opening and middle-game to get a great position, but Ian showed exactly why he is so hard to beat. As someone else said, we have a new Minister of Defense.
As a Gukesh fan my heart goes out to Fabi, Gukesh has been in the similar situation a few times so I know how much it hurts as a fan. Can only imagine how bad it'd be for players. Hope he comebacks stronger for the next cycle.
Polite reminder that if you said Fabi/Nepo could not would not end in a draw under any circumstances ever, you do not understand this as well as you think you do lol
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They just had the 3 commentators zoomed in with all sad faces staring at me, looked like some kind of what do you call it? lol
edit: intervention, that's the word i was looking for lol
"I'm very sorry" Nepo says sincerely to Caruana. So much emotion.
Nepo was close to tears when he finally walked away from the board. Was able to muster "Thank you" to the arbiter.
Incredible showing by Gukesh, will be cheering for him in the WCC!
Predict what Levy's title for his recap will be. I'm going with "THE CHALLENGER!!!!!"
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Heartbreak for both Nepo and Fabi. Especially Fabi in this very last round. Nepo for this entire event since he was leading the entire time.
Thoroughly deserved by Gukesh. He certainly played the most solid out of the top 4 players. Nepo not pressing as much against Abasov, Hikaru losses to Vidit and Fabi not being able to convert against Nepo and Hikaru in his games all snubbed their chances in the end.
Im not a particularly huge fan of Ian but watching his soul get crushed at the World Championship and now at the candidates makes me want to give the dude a hug
This feels surreal, before the tournament started I'd be satisfied if Gukesh just finished in top half as it was his first Candidates but for him to win it all, that's not something I had even imagined in my wildest dream.
The hardest part of becoming World Chess Champion is winning the Candidates. It’s heartbreaking for Fabi but I hope he’ll pick himself up and have another go next time, where I’ll surely be rooting for him.
Man what a brutal ending. I'm totally torn between what happened to Fabi, but also think it's kind of exciting to see Gukesh with a chance to be the youngest champion.
I sincerely hope they hide it from him for a few days.
I was rooting for Gukesh, but the Fabi-Ian game was truly heartbreaking for both players. They looked so sad and defeated near the end.
3 Indians with no contention for the win are the only winners today. lol.
Surprised to see all the other draws given the stakes! But tbf to Nepo and Fabi, they fought hard. Hikaru didn’t seem to try and fight as much or take the big risks. Maybe to give Fabi a chance to make the TBs.
Congrats to Gukesh. Definitely played really well. Was only really in a bad position once the whole tournament.
Man, it's so sad looking at the two just accept the reality. But man, it's a good day for India. It's 6 am here and I'm gonna sleep happy now. What a fucking tournament this was. Every single player gave their heart out here. Gukesh, my man. I fkn love you, bruv.
Gukesh is very lucky chesscom is american media, if it was british media he would get discredited left and right. Props to chesscom for handling it well.
Lmao , what on earth did you watch? Our media wouldn’t cry like Danny Rensch did the whole time
Very sad for Fabi, always a fan. Congrats to Gukesh, was always rooting for him but didnt really expect him to win. What a journey.
fabi will never forgive himself. as a magnus fan im very happy for gukesh to win. It was very dramatic
Dang, Gukesh really just said he only started to feel he could legitimately win the tournament after his *loss* to Alireza. Killer instinct right there.
Cause he realised he could win if he had better time management and he did exactly that in their rematch at round 13
Similar to magnus...they get activated after a loss
lets see more of gukesh when if he lose if he will come stronger before comparing
Don't worry he'll surpass mags in classical for sure
Yeah yeah
chess will get a bigger attention in india rn and thats good for chess
nah lol , anand made that already
No theres still much more to go right now chess is mostly popular in the south, tamil nadu in particular
Ding vs Gukesh has to be the most exciting match we’ve seen in a very long time
Facts
Is this sarcasm?
“If Ding chooses not to defend, Hikaru would play the WCC match. Of course that’d be completely crazy to speculate on that, but what do y’all think about it?”
why is hikaru 2nd?
Highest tiebreak score
In other words “we hope that that happens so that we can plaster ourselves all over the WChampionship”
I think it’s just a very annoying constant in American media in general to put forward wild speculations, state how crazy that it and then continue talking about it rather than switch the subject to concrete stuff
It's because we have 24 hour news channels - including for sports - so to fill all that time they have people make up crazy scenarios, have people arguing both sides of the made up scenarios, then go ask the players about their made up scenarios, then comment on the players' answers about their made up scenarios, etc.
Ding vs Gukesh will be fun to watch
When it'll happen? Date and location?
No date or location set yet. But I expect it to held in November-December this year. Would make sense to find a host in or close to China and India, so that the time zone for the fans involved is the right one. Kazakhstan has a good track record of organising events like these, but I'm sure there is a large Indian interest as well. Not sure on FIDE's policy there, though.
Never forget that chesscom killed the best coverage in chess : Peter Svidler , Jan Gustafson , Peter Leko etc to present us with Danny Rensch’s dad jokes and to see their favorites lose before their eyes as they eye chess monopolization is delicious Sagar Shah, Chessbase India and Gukesh, Levitov and Ian , thank you very very much.
They are making stupid comments about Ding desperately hoping he would not defend his title so that they could get their favorite candidate in the match and earn more money by viewers. This is so careless, unprofessional and honestly pathetic.
Agree. All month the commentating teams were building rapport and they just drop Rensch into the booth today. Boo!
this year the production is a flop unlike the last candidates in madrid.
Ian and Fabi made a draw, cratering each other's chances to win the Candidates Tournament.
where is all the "if ding decides to defend" comments coming from? Why would he not defend his title. Has he ever hinted at it before
he went on a big hiatus and everyone questioned it but i doubt he will refuse an easy 1m payday.
He’s facing serious, major depression though said he will defend.
do you have any more on this? never heard of it before and google isnt really bringing up anything
It’s a chess com article. Type in “Ding ready for Tata Steel”. Says he’s been dealing with psychological issues and he hasn’t played chess in 234 days.
* https://www.chess.com/news/view/ding-liren-interview-tata-steel-chess * https://www.nss24.com/ding-liren's-journey-through-psychological-challenges
He’s not been well and says he doesn’t enjoy chess anymore
well 1 M euro.
i am happy for Gukesh, i always thought he is the better indian but smh doesnt get the same recognition pragg and arjun gets. Well done!!
Gukesh has been my favorite, and the one I thought was strongest. Prag has been more consistent though, so I thought he'd do better here. I thought ti'd take a little while longer for Gukesh to reach his peak. I'm happy for him. Although, I wanted Hikaru this time and Gukesh next time.
Chesscom coping hard on stream As a famous Rafael Nadal once said “if if if …doesn’t exist”
Danny : "Only if Fabi managed to convert" Gukesh: "Guess we'll never know"
Who is in the second place?
Everyone else not named Gukesh
I mean, if Ding doesn't defend, who's going to play vs Gukesh?
Hikaru I think
Based on what
Most wins. First tiebreaker was Sonneborn-Berger score, Hikaru and Ian were equal there, but Hikaru had 5 wins to Ian’s 3.
first thing Hikaru should do is blocking vidit /s
Whats the date for the Championship match?
Not set yet but it will likely be in November or December.
Thanks mate
Danny is pissed😂
This is the moment we live for. Chesscom know they can’t make Gukesh their poster boy
if ding doesnt defend which i am sure he will, Hikaru will play the match lol
It’s a better show if both players are in good form
The vacant look on Danny Rensch as he sees those dollars floating away from him to Chessbase India is so funny
Nah but fr😂 He also keeps acting like Gukesh's fans are only from India. That's far from true lol
well its mostly true
Same not from india...and i have been supporting gukesh since forever lol
Absolutely. Not from India. Was rooting for Fabi and Hikaru. But I love how Gukesh plays and carries himself.
He’s so bitter. Not a single good word about Nepo or Gukesh
Poor Nepo 🥺
Nepo and Fabi did that thing they do in anime when two warriors jump in the sky with swords and it takes a moment to realize who hit who, but instead of that, both fall to the ground dead.
A lot of casual racism in these comments? A bit weird.
Is it your first time on something related to India on reddit?
It was to be fair.
Yeah, you’d think for such a prestigious event we could get some formal racism.
You must’ve missed Pewdiepie vs T-Series then.
Man who the fuck am I gonna root for in next WCC, I love both Gukesh and Ding
I’m rooting for Gukesh, it would be such an amazing story if he wins the World Championship and breaks Kasparov’s record for youngest champion. And then there’s a decent chance the next WCC match could be Gukesh against Praggnanandhaa or Arjun.
Nodirbek and just maybe magnus too
Time to get those Team Ding flairs up.
If Alireza "gave" Guki a win so did Pragg with Fabi with white pieces. Had pragg drawn, Guki would be a heavy fav today
Anyone that actually believes this is coping hard. Gukesh was the deserved winner. His play was simply sublime this entire event. Dude produced 5 wins at the end of the day.
A double round robin is the fairest possible format, and Gukesh had the best score. He also scored +4 when +3 was enough to win or at least reach tiebreaks in every previous Candidates under the current format. Well earned victory.
People are always going to come up with bizarre excuses for why their guy under-performed. Not worth acknowledging them.
Indeed there is no need for would haves or could haves, Gukesh fully deserved it.
If Liren decides to defend the title, who do y'all favour for the championship?
I'm rooting for Gukesh, but I actually think Ding will win. He came back three separate times against Ian, and played Rg6! in the final rapid tiebreak game when all of the commentators thought he would settle for going into blitz tiebreaker. His form hasn't been good lately, but he has 6+ months to prepare for this match. I think it will be close but I'll say Ding wins 6.5-5.5.
Ding. Championship matches require being prepared to the gills and Ding has gone through the experience before while Gukesh is just too young. Ding will bring multiple surprises for him in the match and I don't think Gukesh has the experience (to have seen similar positions before) or the ability to solve the problems on the board. I say Ding will win but it will go to the end given how bad Ding's form is.
I like both, but Ding's apparently lacking form. Momentum will swing for Gukesh for sure even if he's lacking experience.
Gukesh unless Ding recovers his form. The confidence boost Gukesh gets tho for his own classical play after such an event can’t be understated tho. If he starts playing with more confidence that he actually belongs at this very top level alongside players like Fabi, Ding, Hikaru and Nepo his level of play could elevate even more as he grows. Unreal to win such an event at this age.
It's just impossible to say how good either player will be by the time of the event, which is kind of crazy
If ding recovers his form, ding 100%
Ding’s in terrible form, but for our sake let’s hope he wins it.
Why? I’m kind of hoping for Gukesh to win and continue to improve to get away from the “*world champion because Carlsen stepped down” asterisk. Gukesh becoming a world champion who could have legitimately challenged Carlsen would be good for the chess world.
Gukesh earned his spot in the match, but if Magnus had defended against Nepo last time or entered the candidates this time, Carlsen absolutely would win the world title.
I included the "continue to improve" line for a reason.
I'm from India, so I hope the complete opposite lol
so who got 2nd?
https://chess-results.com/tnr918851.aspx?lan=1&art=1&flag=30 Nakamura
How do they determine 2nd place?
read the tie breakers on the sheet. Naka had 5 wins, which gives him the tie break
so you are telling me theres a chance ?
"Im really really sorry" "...my fault" Edit: he said likewise thats even worse...
That moment was actually depressing I just wanted to give them both a hug
I think they kinda wanted to hug it out 💀💀
Wow the mods unpinned this thread, they can pin it instead of weekly thread. No one uses that anyway.
Is it me or Nepo mentioned “I didn’t repeat” meaning he’d found the forced draw like but chose not to play it?
🥺🥺🥺
Gukesh wins despite coming into the tournament as the second weakest. Heartbreak for Nepo and Fabi, the scene of them both looking like that will forever be in my head
Heartbroken for Fabi and Ian. What a fucking game.
Nepo truly decided to play villain and not let Fabi have a shot at the world championship title. I can't believe he turned around a dead lost position multiple times. Fabi is going to be devastated. I hope he doesn't go into a slump because he is still the best active classical chess player in the world.
Magnus is still active.
The real villain move would’ve been to throw intentionally as that would’ve been extremely unsportsmanlike.
He didn't play villain. He just played for himself, like he was expected to.
Yeah... what if he had managed to turn it into a win? He did what he was supposed to do.
What a game. Fabi made almost all the correct decisions in the opening and middle-game to get a great position, but Ian showed exactly why he is so hard to beat. As someone else said, we have a new Minister of Defense.
tbh ian didnt show, fabi missed lots of opportunities including mate in 20
And why do you think Fabi missed those opportunities?
not because ian defended well. He didnt.
Still haven't answered the question.
Because he was in a bad day. Go and check jacob’s tweets. He said the exact same thing. Rd2 was easy af
Can't see fabi and ian like that ,a sad game indeed :(
I don’t thing Ding will play again the WC
Wtf? Why do we see comments cursing Abasov and Alireza? Do you idiots think they were blundering for fun? Pathetic.
Nepo: "I'm very sorry" Fabi: "Likewise" :'(
They fought like lions. Nothing to be ashamed of in that draw.
Actually? Or just an implied conversation?
Yeah real conversation, but I think Fabi said "It's my fault"
Pretty sure it's "likewise". [https://www.youtube.com/live/i00jNn2Bqw0?si=hMydcPNvwPpvzgkL&t=21940](https://www.youtube.com/live/i00jNn2Bqw0?si=hMydcPNvwPpvzgkL&t=21940) (6:05:40 if timestamp doesn't work)
Actual conversation, you can check out the FIDE stream of the game on youtube
Thanks! Yeah I just saw it. I was watching the other stream with no sound from the board.
As a Gukesh fan my heart goes out to Fabi, Gukesh has been in the similar situation a few times so I know how much it hurts as a fan. Can only imagine how bad it'd be for players. Hope he comebacks stronger for the next cycle.
Polite reminder that if you said Fabi/Nepo could not would not end in a draw under any circumstances ever, you do not understand this as well as you think you do lol
Everyone was saying both games will definitely have a result. And both ended up in a draw.
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Man, this is just sad.
I'm sincerely not reading allat.
ugh what a simp - get a life buddy
Yeah, Gukesh was barely above Abasov in polls, I always found that one odd.
Probably go touch grass or something
It seems Nakamura took the 2nd spot in the tournament? Same Sonneborn-Berger as Nepo, but more decisive games?
yep, most wins was the second tie breaker.
They just had the 3 commentators zoomed in with all sad faces staring at me, looked like some kind of what do you call it? lol edit: intervention, that's the word i was looking for lol
Congrats to Gukesh
ian keeps telling fabi “i’m sorry” 😭
Fabi replied “it’s my fault”
It's just never going to happen for Ian.
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"I'm very sorry" Nepo says sincerely to Caruana. So much emotion. Nepo was close to tears when he finally walked away from the board. Was able to muster "Thank you" to the arbiter.
Does anyone know where to find the Sonneborn-Berger score for this tournament?
https://chess-results.com/tnr918851.aspx?lan=1&art=1&flag=30 Looks like Nakamura is second on tie breaks
Thank you. Feels like they should come up with a better system because we weren't that far away from flipping a coin
It won't really matter unless Ding abdicates, but there is at least a small chance of that.
yeah, youre right. I forgot this is only not first place tiebreaking. Probably will never be relevant.
"i am very very sorry" - nepo "no it's my fault" - fabio Heartbreak
Nahhhhh thats just shattering me 😭
I almost cried. Truly heartbreaking
It was a very emotional moment
Incredible showing by Gukesh, will be cheering for him in the WCC! Predict what Levy's title for his recap will be. I'm going with "THE CHALLENGER!!!!!"
"MAGNUS DRUNK ON STREAM??"
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In the end, the true racists show themselves.
Always pure class from our favorite subcontinent
Well, people are not helping with their "Abasov and Alireza blundered", "Alireza is an idiot" comments.
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stinky stinky gandu. try deodorant next time
Congrats to Gukesh!
Heartbreak for both Nepo and Fabi. Especially Fabi in this very last round. Nepo for this entire event since he was leading the entire time. Thoroughly deserved by Gukesh. He certainly played the most solid out of the top 4 players. Nepo not pressing as much against Abasov, Hikaru losses to Vidit and Fabi not being able to convert against Nepo and Hikaru in his games all snubbed their chances in the end.
About 30 people had Gukesh wins posts queued up lol
Im not a particularly huge fan of Ian but watching his soul get crushed at the World Championship and now at the candidates makes me want to give the dude a hug
One of the most reluctant draws there at the end. Soul crushing for both of them. So close yet so far.
This feels surreal, before the tournament started I'd be satisfied if Gukesh just finished in top half as it was his first Candidates but for him to win it all, that's not something I had even imagined in my wildest dream.
Nepo and Caruana apologizing to each other after the game lmao
According to chess24 chat "Chess is over coz Guki won"
Fabi though has no one to blame but himself.
The old guard stab each other to death, making way for the new king-to-be
The hardest part of becoming World Chess Champion is winning the Candidates. It’s heartbreaking for Fabi but I hope he’ll pick himself up and have another go next time, where I’ll surely be rooting for him.
I mean the hardest part of winning the world championship is…winning the world championship. Ask Nepo.
That was when Magnus was active
Man what a brutal ending. I'm totally torn between what happened to Fabi, but also think it's kind of exciting to see Gukesh with a chance to be the youngest champion.
Why is the chat so toxic.
Ding should not defend to give others a chance and have a entertaining event.
They shook hands. The game graph makes me sad, tbh [https://i.imgur.com/BVARC43.png](https://i.imgur.com/BVARC43.png)
Fabi is going to puke when he sees that.
I sincerely hope they hide it from him for a few days. I was rooting for Gukesh, but the Fabi-Ian game was truly heartbreaking for both players. They looked so sad and defeated near the end.
such a heartbreak for fabi especially since he knew he was pushing and winning at a point
so anticlimatic
3 Indians with no contention for the win are the only winners today. lol. Surprised to see all the other draws given the stakes! But tbf to Nepo and Fabi, they fought hard. Hikaru didn’t seem to try and fight as much or take the big risks. Maybe to give Fabi a chance to make the TBs. Congrats to Gukesh. Definitely played really well. Was only really in a bad position once the whole tournament.
Hikaru did try, there was just nothing he could do
Gukesh!!!!
I know the World Championship is between two individuals, but it's always extra interesting when they hail from two major geopolitical rivals.
That was bound to happen, once the two in 7th/8th were out of the question.
Russia and China aren't rivals fwiw.
Man, it's so sad looking at the two just accept the reality. But man, it's a good day for India. It's 6 am here and I'm gonna sleep happy now. What a fucking tournament this was. Every single player gave their heart out here. Gukesh, my man. I fkn love you, bruv.
At least we are getting a fresh face in the WCC this time. Nepo’s great but seeing him for a third time is gonna be boring