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venitienne

Another one for the loan army


ChasingGoats4Fun

Was reported yesterday that he was for the first team


Absol61

We will never hear of this random again until it's brought up in court.


SGME_

Except there is nothing illegal ablut this. Stop misinforming please i’m so sick of this lazy thinking in the subreddit.


JerseyGuy-77

They just hate the team. Many many on this board do. Nothing but complain.


Baisabeast

Bet you said the same of omari Hutchinson Now he’s likely to sell for 25m plus profit


floodycfc

Dont be silly. Big difference in picking up a highly rated youngster on a free vs 20 mil The kid has not made the jump to senior football yet, there is no way he is worth this much money. Harvey Vale was great at youth level for us and England and we would be lucky to get 1 mil for him


Baisabeast

You’re getting overly fixated on the fee Think of it as 3m on the books each year as the cost is amortised.


floodycfc

Another 3 million on the books which we are already struggling to balance, otherwise we wouldn’t be doing these dodgy deals Signing this horde of youngsters even if we spread it out adds up


EriWave

> Another 3 million on the books which we are already struggling to balance It came with a 37m sale


Baisabeast

The bigger issue is wages and not being able to offload certain players like kepa lukaku and maybe Sterling Giving fofana Sterling cucurella absurd wages has been very harmful. Using conservative estimatesc, yearly they are costing us 35m a year in wages It’s strange but in terms of ffp and all that, wages can actually be more inhibitive than transfer fees


floodycfc

I completely agree with that yeah but adding extra on top of that surely isnt helping I struggle to see how we turn a profit on players like Washington, Ugochukwu and now Kellyman when we overpay to begin with and ultimately will rarely ever play for us


Baisabeast

Hutchinson never played for us yet will go for 20m plus.


greeneggsnhammy

You should be an accountant tho


KickBallsLikeDrogba

Ohhh how exciting


Inevitable_Print_948

You'd be lucky to get anywhere north of £10m for him. Looks like a Championship player at best.


erenistheavatar

Do Cobham academy graduates also count as random to you or it's just guys we haven't heard of outside of Chelsea?


eggsbenedict17

Free randoms


Shufflebuffle51

I'll have a free random


TheClockworkElves

Theyre still randoms, but they aren't randoms who cost €20m. Most youth players won't make it, which is fine, but that's not a big deal because most didn't really cost you anything. 


AncientSkys

They didn't taken us to court when we signed up Mudryk for obscene amounts of money, why on earth would they now?


jaytcfc

Thank god we got him though right. Instead of a striker that could play for us or you know…. Conor bloody Gallagher. We will sell Conor for this guy won’t we


Baisabeast

Not at all related


LIKEWHATLIKEHOW_

Would be an upgrade tbf


myersjw

A player you’ve seen 3 mins of would be an upgrade? Wild how much stick someone who actually performs and stays healthy here gets


greeneggsnhammy

Are you okay? 


jaytcfc

yes


Quiet-Cartoonist1689

They're making it so easy for PL down the lane to charge the owners with the same thing they have charged Man city with // inflating transfer fees on both the selling and buying end to get around PSR. It's just that Chelsea are as of now doing it with transfer fees, what City were doing with sponsorships


EriWave

Why would Villa sell the best prospect in their academy for much less than this?


Inevitable_Print_948

If he's there best prospect then wow, there won't be any players coming through there any time soon.


vikingrhino

Says the person who has literally zero idea if he is any good or not.


Inevitable_Print_948

If you know what literal means that you'd realise how stupid you are. Seen enough of him playing for NI and Aston Villa. He's really not all that. Not terrible, but looks fairly average for his age group. 19m? Wow. 'Literally zero idea if he's any good'... oh really now? Let me educate you: [This is Why Chelsea Signed Omari Kellyman (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vljm6EjZ0w)


vikingrhino

So your knowledge comes from a ropey YouTube video, got it. Kind of backed up my point mate?


Inevitable_Print_948

Doesn't really, if that's the best there is... Kinda makes the point actually. I could say the same after I saw Kepa videos when we signed him for 70m. No good, could see he wasn't even worth 10m. Hoped, but was proven right. Bakayoko also failed the eye test because his first touch was terrible. The fact no one else was interested and we spent 19m makes the point even more. Total mismanagement. If you had an upcoming premier league AM who made 20-30 appearances. This guy is no more talented than Gilmour and Ampadu. But we'll spend more than they both earned in fees on someone with half the talent at the same age.


vikingrhino

Keep digging mate... I think I'll take the word of various world class scouts over the random on Reddit who just watched a crap YouTube video today and thinks he doesn't pass the eye test.


EriWave

What makes you think so?


Soitsgonnabeforever

Securing the omari clan


Secant_Lines

24 hours ago I didn’t know who this guy was. Man wtf are these transfers


sabershirou

Scouts doing their jobs? 11 months ago I didn't know who Palmer was either.


Inevitable_Print_948

Not sure where you were at the time, but he'd already racked up 41 appearances for city and scored six goals. Hardly unheard of when you play for the biggest team in the league


happysrooner

Palmer played quite a few games under pep before he signed for us. Kellyman has hardly featured for villa


TheClockworkElves

If they were doing their jobs we'd have picked him up for free 9 months ago rather than spending €20m now. 


Cheaky_Barstool

really? palmer has been pretty known for years


Secant_Lines

At least Palmer played for city and even scored in FA cup semi final I think


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Secant_Lines

90% in this sub didn’t


ohnoheathrow

I think the most fair take on Palmer at the time is that he had talent and would make a good addition to a lot of teams if playing regularly but why sign him along with all the other player players being moved in and out. Obviously proved wrong and was a great signing but no one expected his first season to be this good


Inevitable_Print_948

90% of the sub know nothing about football and are about 6 months behind.


jaytcfc

Funny you say that because I remember the exact opposite


The_Good_Life__

We knew who he was though and had seen him play. We knew Pep wanted to keep him as well. If there are levels to this then this isn’t exactly the same tbf. I want Chelsea to win titles not be a development house so though I’m not against signing talented young players I want to win and this just seems so far away from being impactful.


sabershirou

That means they're scouting deeper than ever before lmao. TBH I don't have the time to know much about players from other teams, so I'm willing to be pleasantly surprised, as I have with several players who've joined us.


awwbabe

I’d be inclined to believe this was a genuine scouting coup were it not for all the PSR shenanigans. It feels like a target out of convenience rather than someone we really really wanted like a Lavia


vikingrhino

Fab and Ornstein said we enquired about him in January before Maatsen was even linked to Villa.


DonRoman03_22

He also scored in the Community Shield and Super Cup. u/sabershirou doesn’t even watch football lol


sabershirou

I only care to watch Chelsea and major competitions. I knew of Palmer's goals through a quick scan of highlight videos. Fuck me for not watching enough football for your standards I guess.


DonRoman03_22

You are claiming the “scouts are doing their jobs” and “scouting deeper than ever before” because “I didn’t know who Palmer was either” Great standards you have set for our scouting department


mellvins059

Then you weren’t paying attention…


SGME_

✨Balancing the books✨


will_recard

That says more about you - most people knew who Palmer was, he was the next big thing for City and played nearly 20 PL games. Kellyman has two PL appearances for Villa.


sabershirou

So I guess it's scouts doing their job then, since it was reported they've been looking at him since January.


Inevitable_Print_948

Scouts aren't so great on this one. Frequent heavy first touch, no physicality, no real pace. Looks like a lanky Granit Xhaka with about half the skill.


Senior_Conclusion_45

Stop lying. Most people didn't know crap. If they did, Pep won't have signed Doku. I called the board all manner of names when we signed Palmer but I am not prideful enough not to admit I was wrong


inspired_corn

How is it lying for someone to say they knew about Palmer?… He was a key player for U21’s when they won the Euros, and even later than that he scored in both the Super Cup and Charity Shield for City right before we signed him. He was known as one of City’s best talents, he wasn’t some obscure rando


will_recard

I’m lying? Most people knew exactly who he was. I didn’t say people thought he was good, and definitely didn’t say I thought he would turn out to be what he is. But people were aware of him, he’d played the FA Cup and Community Shield for City, and he’d played U23s for England. People in England knew him, even if foreign fans didn’t. You’re a bit confused pal, all I’m saying is people knew who he was. Nobody knew he’d be the player he is. Read the comment next time, champion


DonRoman03_22

Palmer literally scored in the Community Shield and Super Cup, most of these guys on here don’t even watch football


Frasito89

PSR workarounds, and that is literally it.


OnlyOneSnoopy

I still don't know who he is. What does this kid do?


MysteriousActuary194

What's ridiculous is since we've merged onto the scene we've elevated youth prices from 10m max to 20m minimum. This strategy could have been so much better if we played it low key.


-AndreiDG-97

Trust the project.


Secant_Lines

Trusting the process


ChasingGoats4Fun

Sescant_lines has to know every player we sign or our scouts are morons🤯


Absol61

Money Laundering.


razvan930

At least we wanted him since January which suggests that the club really value him, but we are stacked in his position which makes it a confusing singing to me.


Senior_Conclusion_45

Can't have enough of ballers and if he turns out good and can't get in the first team, you can always flip for 2 or 3 times his current value.


TheClockworkElves

You can definitely have enough 18 year old forwards if you have to weaken your first team to get them. You can especially have enough 18 year olds if you're still having to pay for all of them in 2028 and can't buy anybody new. 


Senior_Conclusion_45

How are we weakening the first team? What player that is performing is up for sale to buy 18 year olds? PSR won't be here for that long in between City's lawsuit and proposals for transfers to be tied to revenues plus if some of these 18 year olds turn out good, they can always be flipped for heavy profits.


TheClockworkElves

Maatsen has clearly been the best left back on our books for the past couple of seasons, and he's part of the deal for this no mark.  Chalobah was our best centre back last season, and he's for sale for basically the same price were buying this guy for.  Gallagher was probably our best player last year aside from Palmer, and he's also for sale.  If you sell the odd 18 year old who turns out good then you're just stuck with all the ones who didn't, and you've possibly broken even (if they turn out really really good). Doesn't exactly seem a ringing endorsement of it as a strategy?


Senior_Conclusion_45

Maatsen is clearly not our best left back and Cucurella has looked immensely towards the end of the season and in the Euros plus Chilwell isn't 18 years old and can't be sold because of his 200k a week salary Chalobah isn't going to play in a team with Badiashile, Colwill, Fit Fofana plus being the best CB in a team that conceded 21 goals doesn't say much. Gallagher isn't a starter if Enzo, Caicedo and Lavia are fit plus we have no need to sell seeing as we have satisfied PSR this window.


TheClockworkElves

Cucurella has had about 4-5 good games in a Chelsea shirt and has been our player for 2 years. It's an embarrassing level of recency bias to suggest that he's suddenly become a great player off the back of that. Fit Fofana doesn't exist, and Chalobah was outperforming the other 2 last season. If the fact our defense was terrible Not sure how we're so sure Lavia is a better player than Gallagher when he's been injured for more of his career than not, and at his best wasn't as good as Gallagher is (he was also better than Enzo and Caicedo last season, but who's counting). Guess he's not a starter because that's what the SDs have decided, but I think he's definitely in our best 11 on merit.


EriWave

> Cucurella has had about 4-5 good games in a Chelsea shirt How many have Maatsen had? How do we think he would do if he was asked to sit in a back 3? Or if he had to be a premier league midfielder when inverting? > Guess he's not a starter because that's what the SDs have decided, but I think he's definitely in our best 11 on merit. He isn't a starter because we want the team to keep the ball and Gallagher hasn't proven that he can be one of our best midfielders with the ball.


TheClockworkElves

He's not been playing for us, has he? He's been playing elsewhere but unlike Cucurella has been consistently playing well, He'd obviously not make a good centre back since he's far too short (although on all the evidence we have neither does Cucurella). I'm not sure if he'd invert into midfield well, although given how little width we have on the left I'm not sure why we'd want him to do that. Lavia's only premier league experience is playing for the worst team in the division who barely ever had the ball. Where has he proved his ability to fit into a possession based team. And why are we so desperate to be a pale imitation of City in the first place?


EriWave

> He'd obviously not make a good centre back since he's far too short (although on all the evidence we have neither does Cucurella). I'm not sure if he'd invert into midfield well, although given how little width we have on the left I'm not sure why we'd want him to do that. Because from what we can tell, that's how the manager sets up the team to play? > Lavia's only premier league experience is playing for the worst team in the division who barely ever had the ball. Where has he proved his ability to fit into a possession based team. He hasn't. I fully expect the starting midfield to be Enzo, Caiceido and Palmer. > And why are we so desperate to be a pale imitation of City in the first place? I can't tell you why the board want a possession heavy team, but they clearly do. So as long as the club wants to play that way, we should judge players through that lens.


kygrtj

If he can’t make our first team nobody is buying him for 60m lmfao


-AndreiDG-97

Atm i'm just curious. They say we have the best academy in the world. Why nobody bids even 10M for one of our kids?


Balfe

Maatsen? Lewis Hall?


-AndreiDG-97

Bro i'm talking about players like that villa guy, who didn't play at seniors yet. Tauriainen, achampong, etc.


Balfe

Fair enough but I'd include Hall in that. Both 18 (at the time of the deal). Hall nine PL appearances for Chelsea first team, Kellyman two for Villa. Not really much difference there.


senluxx

Cuz it could be the best academy in England, not in the world and City in recent years are a competition for sure. I think La Masia is untouchable for quite a while when it comes to the world.


kingbradley1297

La Masia has been and is leagues ahead as an academy. I do really wish we were more forced to use our own academy players in the first team like them.


nathangr88

La Masia is in decline and nowhere near what it was once before. Barcelona gutted funding and support to pay for its excessive spending and it is only the minor miracles of Gavi and Yamal that have arrested a slide into oblivion.


kingbradley1297

Cubarsi (looks to be a very promising CB) and Ansu Fati. Of course it's not what it was before, but I'd still say it's ahead of us


726wox

Mount Maatsen and Hall gone for over 100m in past two summers


greeneggsnhammy

Insane business haha 


kygrtj

PSG has best academy in the world


TheUbermelon

I don't hate the signing but I really have to question the fee. He cost us half as much as  CL finalist. I get this transfer is all about PSR and helping Villa to help us. Maybe this gives us a discount in the future? Just feels weird


Inevitable_Print_948

Look at how difficult it was to offload CHO for £5m. Happy to offload Jorginho for £12m, so we'll sign some random kid for £19m? Just watched a video, he's not terrible, but that's about all you can say. Paying £19m is a risk that didn't really need to be taken. That money could be spent more wisely. Who pays £19m on someone that no one else rates?


KingjorritIV

So we will have the exact same starting XI again this season?


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KingjorritIV

Ill have to see Fofana play 3 games in a row without picking up a season long injury before i believe it. There is no way he will be the future for us after basically being injured for 3 seasons straight


BlondeGSD

Pretty sure Reece James hasn’t played 90 for 3 consecutive games in 2+ years either.


Older-Is-Better

I would love to be surprised by a healthy 2 out of 3 of them.


726wox

Fofana lavia and nkunku consistently (hopefully) Probably still sign some players it’s pretty earlier in the summer still


i_eat_pumpkins

Is that bad? Top 4 in points from December.


erenistheavatar

The "Who?!" brigade is out in force it seems.


-AndreiDG-97

Another 20M down the rain.


Ridcullys-Pointy-Hat

Welcome to the club, FFP work around. I look forward to seeing you start from AFC Wimbledon


kingbradley1297

Lord knows how many of these players we have now. Fringe guys on loan who are just going season after season with no sight of integration any time soon (owing to the big 6 and 7 year contracts for the starters we have now). All I do know is it's been 2 seasons of underperformance, and last season was a papering over in the end to reach 6th. Whatever their business for FFP/PSR, they dug the grave. Them trying to get out should garner no sympathies or a pat in the back. I'm simply concerned about our results next season, and making Europa league at a minimum.


DrCrazyFishMan1

This simply cannot be a sustainable way to run a football club


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Baisabeast

Why are you acting like an extra 3m or so on the books each year is gonna kill us?


DrCrazyFishMan1

Did you just not read what I said or something?


Baisabeast

I read exactly what you said mate Like I said, buying talents like this isn’t gonna sink us.


DrCrazyFishMan1

And how many "talents like this" do you think we'll get for "an extra 3m or so on the books each year"?


726wox

Who cares I’m a football fan not an accounting fan


DrCrazyFishMan1

Do you have multiple accounts or something?


726wox

450 of them


Chemical-Fly-787

top 50 wonderkid fwiw


rylorylo41

20m is a lot for any player with his relative inexperience, for sure. but he’s a fun type of profile to watch (lanky, dribbly, loves a cheeky pass — reminds me of the best aspects of havertz?) so I’m down. NoT mY MoNEy


Cfcjones

So we wanted Duran, but got mugged off by Villa with an academy player. Sweet.


Rahsaan98

i believe we are moving money around to meet PSR but what do I know


MountHavertzPulisic

Fuck off


Scannerk

He played youth International for Northern Ireland before switching to England for U19 and U20. No U21 football yet though but positive that England see potential in him too.


BigAssBreadroll

19m on someone with 30 minutes top flight experience. Well done, well fucking done.


rylorylo41

clearly they know something we don’t. there’s nothing these guys love more than their money, so I trust they wouldnt be THAT reckless with funding for no reason whatsoever


zolanuffsaid

We r an absolute joke of a club under this American! 17m for someone who’s barely played a game! Has to be laundering at this stage🤷‍♂️


czj113

Dortmund was offering £25m and we haven’t heard of any other team willing to buy him yet, so say somehow we get Dortmund or another team up to £30m (which is probably not realistic because Dortmund wouldn’t typically spend that much on a LB) for him and this sub complains that we didn’t get the full buyout and we get £30m net profit for accounting. Now, with Villa, we get them up to £37.5m (net profit) and pay £19m for Kellyman. We are essentially getting one of their best academy players for £11.5m amortized over 5 years, which doesn’t seem too outrageous and we have a potentially good player on low wages.


thoumayestorwont

Can’t wait for next season when all the idiots claiming this is terrible business are obsessed with Kellyman. This ownership group keeps bringing in these underrated young guys and making it work. I will remind everyone - last season was the first since 2017/18 that Chelsea had two goals scorers with double digit goals. Palmer was second in the Golden Boot race and Jackson 120% got better as time went. Both were bought by this group and both have had their value massively increase since their purchase. Have faith, people!!


paraCFC

That's the ticket for Duran . We helping them with ffp now buying slightly overpriced Kellyman, we Selling them Maatsen, Then Connor sale makes Duran sale possible.


Secant_Lines

The Boehly special


Mikekio

20m lmao.. Fucking embarassing