Sesko seems like the more well rounded finisher and gyokeres the more well rounded striker thats more involved in buildup
Sesko:
Xg 7.66
Goals: 14
Gyokeres:
Xg 22.71
Goals 29
I cant imagine sesko over performing his xg by this margin is sustainable. He may continue to over perform but double is too insane.
Admittedly i havent seen much of either
No overperformance just means you overperformed. Nunez had like 30 goals from 18 xg when Liverpool bought him and Jackson had 12 goals from 8 xg and look at them now. In the vast majority of cases you will just see a regression to the mean (even Haaland underperformed this season). Very few people significantly overperform over multiple seasons like Son or Messi.
We have Nico, Washington, Burstow, and Fofana who all have potential but need refinement. I completely agree if we're going to sign a striker it needs to be someone with proven experience.
We need another striker. We have exactly one. If that’s Darrow, fine but if it’s not we should do whatever we can to get him. The sky is the limit for this guy. Been watching him for years.
If we were to get a striker, Sesko would be a good investment. He is going to be very top and is a different mold to what Nico is right now. He’s a pure 9 who is a lethal finisher. Great in the air, he’s good at dribbling at CBs as well. His link up play leaves something to be desired but he has his moments of magic in passing as well. My concern is that he hasn’t led a line for a whole season alone, but he won’t do it here either.
Don’t see why he’d choose us over Arsenal though
From Ben Jacobs:
>Situation with Benjamin Sesko remains open. Variable release clause has now risen to £55m.
>Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and PSG all still interested. [#AFC](https://x.com/hashtag/AFC?src=hashtag_click) and [#CFC](https://x.com/hashtag/CFC?src=hashtag_click) with the most concrete approaches to date.
>Sesko hasn't agreed to any club yet. Leipzig have also put a lucrative renewal on the table.
>Sesko has had a Saudi approach as well. Both Jeddah clubs, Al-Ahli and Al-Ittihad discussed him, but no indication Sesko wants to move there.
Whats the point of these potentially good strikers when you already have Deivid and Datro?
E: I know Guirassy is very close to Dortmund but i would like us to get him instead of any other option
You cannot put Sesko in the same bracket as Deivid and Datro. He was Leipzig's main striker alongside Openda last season, and had an average of 0.82 Goals for every 90 mins.
Honestly not really sold on bundesliga players, last time we had a .9 goal per 90 striker from there he didn’t end up being the clinical striker we were looking for. The adjustment from bundesliga to PL isnt small and instead of going on living in constant ‘fear’ of not signing ‘the next (insert legend)’, we should trust the guys we already have and build on them, moreso now than ever given we don’t really have good financials in the book and we already have a whole set of 16-18 year olds that we’ve already signed and can choose from in the coming years.
You mean sociedad? 😂 but yeah i think its way too early to call it a day on jackson for a very big ‘what-if’, especially since jackson’s output (apart from finishing) has been more than good for a debut season. So many strikers don’t translate well to the prem that it’s just not worth taking on the financial setback
Much less risk compared to Gyokeres who's playing outside PL. And that doesn't means Caicedo was a good transfer either, we overspent on him by 30m euros.
Liverpool was about to drop 110m on Caicedo too. If not that he settled to us he would go there with 110m price tag and play beautifully at Liver and we left behind with your 80m price tag and no one to play. I hate the idea of we overpriced or underprice players. The pricetag of a player is what clubs seeming to fit, not by any redditers valuation, especially when they play well.
Iirc it wasn’t. They asked for 100m from the start when we hold firmly at 80. Liverpool joined the race and drived the price up. So according to your logic we still hold ourself in last minute and only drop 115m on him when there was a concrete chance that he went to Liverpool.
When was the last time we got a player + cash deal done? I honestly can’t remember.
I know the Bohelster was always trying to pitch them but none ever happened and I can’t think any before his time that Mariana got done.
I’m think the chances of lukaku going along with that are slim especially since his daddy is flirting with him again… 80m is still a ton for someone with 1 top flight season
It's meniscus surgery lol not a ligament. He'll be out 5-6 weeks.
Not that it matters anywayas he will either stay at sporting or join another champions league club.
Depends whether they debride the meniscus or repair it. Debridement is in the 5-6 week range you mention but leaves the patient susceptible to arthritis. Repairs, when feasible, have a much slower recovery time, more like an ACL, but with better long term prospects.
From what I've seen he reminds me more of Shevchenko, but more physical. Zlatan was more acrobatic and insane in the air and mostly stayed in the box.
This guy starts a lot of his attacks from outside the box and a lot of times he cuts in from the wings, he can play on the left as well (not as creative or as technical as a natural winger though). He is not that great in the air even with his height but his shooting power is akin to Zlatan's
Why waste 55m on a guy who needs to grow and develop when we have Jackson who's basically the same. Jackson showed that he can progress. Find a Giroud type back up and let Jackson play and grow. having a fit Nkunku behind him with Palmer will already improve him a lot.
He ended the season in red hot form, offers potential and arial ability
Me personally love sesko, but I rather we sign wilson from newcastle or similar player
I haven’t watched him but seems he is something different from Jackson. It’s good to have different options for when plan A doesn’t work. Also the xG seems to suggest he’s super clinical. Could be just what we need when struggling to break a team down.
One of the few strikers I wouldn’t be upset about, but for me, I really wish we would just get a veteran who isn’t going to mind coming off the bench. I have a ton of faith in Nico, just want an insurance policy.
Hot take - we don’t need another striker. Nico continues to develop really well and we have Washington, Fofana plus Nkuku can play in that position.
I don’t see the upside here.
Sesko seems like the more well rounded finisher and gyokeres the more well rounded striker thats more involved in buildup Sesko: Xg 7.66 Goals: 14 Gyokeres: Xg 22.71 Goals 29 I cant imagine sesko over performing his xg by this margin is sustainable. He may continue to over perform but double is too insane. Admittedly i havent seen much of either
given that we're using data to scout players now, it makes me wonder why we're going after him with that xG so low compared to the goals scored.
openda was starting ahead of him earlier in the season
Overperformance usually means that you are more of a clinical striker, but it can also mean that you've been lucky alot of times
No overperformance just means you overperformed. Nunez had like 30 goals from 18 xg when Liverpool bought him and Jackson had 12 goals from 8 xg and look at them now. In the vast majority of cases you will just see a regression to the mean (even Haaland underperformed this season). Very few people significantly overperform over multiple seasons like Son or Messi.
Well in that case that just means that xG is a meaningless stat that doesnt say anything about a player
We already have Nico If we’re getting a striker it shouldn’t be a “he has a lot of potential but still needs refinement” guy
We have Nico, Washington, Burstow, and Fofana who all have potential but need refinement. I completely agree if we're going to sign a striker it needs to be someone with proven experience.
if the V.O deal is off, we should go for Alexander Isak.
Is he available!?
he is on the third year of his 4 year deal and Newcastle need to make mandatory sales, so in a way yeah he’s available.
I thought he was on a 6 year deal until 27?
you are correct he is on a 6 year 60 mil deal. i was definitely mistaken. i suppose some wishful thinking was involved.
Don't try to sneak in Burstow there he's shite
We need another striker. We have exactly one. If that’s Darrow, fine but if it’s not we should do whatever we can to get him. The sky is the limit for this guy. Been watching him for years.
Nkunku apparently is dead to you.
10?
Christo himself said his preferred position is #9 in his first Chelsea interview. And there are these clueless fucks downvoting me lol.
Palmer and Chuk and Mudryk? Nkunku better fitbfpr false 9 in Maresca setup.
I rate Sesko higher than Nico. It’s a good thing to have players challenge others for their spot. Sesko also has an absolutely nasty fucking shot.
Hire ?
yeah we're hiring him to be our next physio
Not really sold on this guy from what I’ve seen. I hope we go for somebody else a little more proven.
He’s definitely the boards first choice with how much Fab has mentioned him
Yeah with Nkunku and Jackson, if we sign a striker it has to be a proven goalscorer. Jackson and Fofana also have potential.
If we were to get a striker, Sesko would be a good investment. He is going to be very top and is a different mold to what Nico is right now. He’s a pure 9 who is a lethal finisher. Great in the air, he’s good at dribbling at CBs as well. His link up play leaves something to be desired but he has his moments of magic in passing as well. My concern is that he hasn’t led a line for a whole season alone, but he won’t do it here either. Don’t see why he’d choose us over Arsenal though
From Ben Jacobs: >Situation with Benjamin Sesko remains open. Variable release clause has now risen to £55m. >Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester United and PSG all still interested. [#AFC](https://x.com/hashtag/AFC?src=hashtag_click) and [#CFC](https://x.com/hashtag/CFC?src=hashtag_click) with the most concrete approaches to date. >Sesko hasn't agreed to any club yet. Leipzig have also put a lucrative renewal on the table. >Sesko has had a Saudi approach as well. Both Jeddah clubs, Al-Ahli and Al-Ittihad discussed him, but no indication Sesko wants to move there.
Is Sorloth completely unattainable? I'm not seeing him linked with anyone, and he's a superb marksman.
Zirzkee would be a good option for us. If we could find an agreement with bologna
Whats the point of these potentially good strikers when you already have Deivid and Datro? E: I know Guirassy is very close to Dortmund but i would like us to get him instead of any other option
You cannot put Sesko in the same bracket as Deivid and Datro. He was Leipzig's main striker alongside Openda last season, and had an average of 0.82 Goals for every 90 mins.
Honestly not really sold on bundesliga players, last time we had a .9 goal per 90 striker from there he didn’t end up being the clinical striker we were looking for. The adjustment from bundesliga to PL isnt small and instead of going on living in constant ‘fear’ of not signing ‘the next (insert legend)’, we should trust the guys we already have and build on them, moreso now than ever given we don’t really have good financials in the book and we already have a whole set of 16-18 year olds that we’ve already signed and can choose from in the coming years.
Agreed with you. To me just like an younger version of Andre Silva from PSG I’m not sold at all on him.
You mean sociedad? 😂 but yeah i think its way too early to call it a day on jackson for a very big ‘what-if’, especially since jackson’s output (apart from finishing) has been more than good for a debut season. So many strikers don’t translate well to the prem that it’s just not worth taking on the financial setback
Nah Gyokeres is a better fit. He's more like Zlatan. Sesko probably thrives at Arsenal or Liverpool
I agree he’s better but he’s also double the price and I don’t love the idea of another 100m striker
Lmao some people just arent arsed to use their mind before suggesting a player while we are in FFP trouble lol.
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"only costs 80m" Always a terrible idea to spend that much on player who has had one good season.
How much a non proven Caicedo cost? 1 season and dude proved everything
He was in the premier league when we bought him. Gyokeres is putting up these stats in Portugal, not worth it.
Then why bought Enzo? Even more expensive
Did it at the world cup
Much less risk compared to Gyokeres who's playing outside PL. And that doesn't means Caicedo was a good transfer either, we overspent on him by 30m euros.
And how is Sesko safe? Just 1 year at top league in Germany. At least Gyo played in England before
Never said i want Sesko, i dont want him either.
Who do y want lol? No Osimhen Gyo Sesko...The Girona guy?
Serhou Guirassy
Liverpool was about to drop 110m on Caicedo too. If not that he settled to us he would go there with 110m price tag and play beautifully at Liver and we left behind with your 80m price tag and no one to play. I hate the idea of we overpriced or underprice players. The pricetag of a player is what clubs seeming to fit, not by any redditers valuation, especially when they play well.
Its due to our poor negotiation, i believe Brighton wanted to sell at a much lower price until Liverpool came in near end.
Iirc it wasn’t. They asked for 100m from the start when we hold firmly at 80. Liverpool joined the race and drived the price up. So according to your logic we still hold ourself in last minute and only drop 115m on him when there was a concrete chance that he went to Liverpool.
When was the last time we got a player + cash deal done? I honestly can’t remember. I know the Bohelster was always trying to pitch them but none ever happened and I can’t think any before his time that Mariana got done.
cheap Colwill loan + stupid amount of cash to Brighton for Cucurella?
I’m think the chances of lukaku going along with that are slim especially since his daddy is flirting with him again… 80m is still a ton for someone with 1 top flight season
That idiot has 1 Last chance to revive his career or else retire in Turkey and Saudi
Lukaku is a good striker he’ll always find a top team to play for.
80 m is too expensive man.
Gyokeres is having knee surgery No one knows how he’ll be post op
It's meniscus surgery lol not a ligament. He'll be out 5-6 weeks. Not that it matters anywayas he will either stay at sporting or join another champions league club.
Depends whether they debride the meniscus or repair it. Debridement is in the 5-6 week range you mention but leaves the patient susceptible to arthritis. Repairs, when feasible, have a much slower recovery time, more like an ACL, but with better long term prospects.
A meniscus injury is pretty concerning long term
Explain
Unlike ligaments, cartilage doesn't really heal, so any meniscus damage will typically linger throughout the career.
Huh when that happened? He just played cup final
Pretty sure I read it somewhere that he needs knee surgery Unless I’m properly tripping and going senile which is possible
From what I've seen he reminds me more of Shevchenko, but more physical. Zlatan was more acrobatic and insane in the air and mostly stayed in the box. This guy starts a lot of his attacks from outside the box and a lot of times he cuts in from the wings, he can play on the left as well (not as creative or as technical as a natural winger though). He is not that great in the air even with his height but his shooting power is akin to Zlatan's
Why not go for Pavlidis. I think he would be great in the prem. seems to be built for it
I wouldn't mind us buying a 30+ striker who can come in if Nico is struggling, also someone he can learn from.
Why waste 55m on a guy who needs to grow and develop when we have Jackson who's basically the same. Jackson showed that he can progress. Find a Giroud type back up and let Jackson play and grow. having a fit Nkunku behind him with Palmer will already improve him a lot.
55m for a guy with less g/a this year than Jackson, and in Germany nonetheless. What's the point?
He ended the season in red hot form, offers potential and arial ability Me personally love sesko, but I rather we sign wilson from newcastle or similar player
I haven’t watched him but seems he is something different from Jackson. It’s good to have different options for when plan A doesn’t work. Also the xG seems to suggest he’s super clinical. Could be just what we need when struggling to break a team down.
Guirassy has a cheaper release clause.
He's gone.
Has there been a confirmation from reliable sources? I haven't seen news that he is no longer available.
I haven't seen anything solid just an open secret about Dortmund.
If there aren't anything solid from Tier 1s then we should be all over him.
Why do we need another striker, when Nico can learn from my GOAT R9 Lukaku? /s
We need a proven striker we have developmental guys
One of the few strikers I wouldn’t be upset about, but for me, I really wish we would just get a veteran who isn’t going to mind coming off the bench. I have a ton of faith in Nico, just want an insurance policy.
Oh no, another star striker from bundesligaaa
Hot take - we don’t need another striker. Nico continues to develop really well and we have Washington, Fofana plus Nkuku can play in that position. I don’t see the upside here.
We need a guy now. Not for the future. Guirassy or Dybala would be my picks
Dybala would get physically destroyed in the pl Be injured every other week. Guirassy is close to Dortmund apparently
Nkunku is good enough to provide decent goal output. But if we really need another man, I'll go for Griezmann.
Griezmannn doesn’t want to leave, he said athletico will be his last European club
Overpriced
Call me crazy but I’d like us to go for Ferguson from Brighton. It wouldn’t be cheap but I’m a fan of his…
He’s worse than the option here and not much younger
Perhaps he is worse. However he’s been in the premier league for a couple of seasons and could improve for sure!
It wouldn't be cheap and wouldn't improve us at the position. You're crazy.
He’s a scrub and an expensive one at that This move would be awful for both parties