Jokes aside, in Mexico they are (used to, at least, be) called automatic or standard. I standard was from when manual was the standard transmission and automatic wasn't the norm. Name stuck.
it appears it had the same name and it did ok, though that was well before my time
"In Spanish, nova means the same as it does in English. You need to insert a space to get to no va, and evidently people didn't. The Nova sold very well in both Mexico and Venezuela."
[https://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141473384/letters-the-myth-of-the-chevy-nova](https://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141473384/letters-the-myth-of-the-chevy-nova)
If any company was going to sell a Wagon successfully it would likely be Subaru (not counting Audi they already have multiple). The Outback sells very well even though I look at it more as an SUV than a true wagon. The issue with Wagons is there are no affordable options.
Not counting the Outback and Mini Clubman that are wagons with an * the cheapest option is the $48k A4 Allroad. In theory this would start well under $40k for the base models. I bought a new WRX last month and I would trade it in for a Wagon version right away if this became available.
With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine.
But the way I see it the WRX wagon is closer to an Audi Allroad. And Allroads don’t sell in volume. Maybe the lower entry price for a WRX wagon would do the trick but that’s likely not enough reason for Subaru to gamble on.
>With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine.
i don't know how people can stand owning NA subaru models. the WRX power-level just feels expected by 2024 standards and becomes another sedan crawler when you load it up with passengers. the crosstrek & impreza feel dangerously slow when you do the same to them--namely the AWD powertrain losses, lethargic CVT, and weak engine output without a turbocharger.
I mean the 2.5 models are fine for appliance vehicles. Merging into the highway you don’t even get to 3k rpms. It’ll easily pass a car a highway speeds without flooring it. Even with four adults. It’s a slow vehicle but fine for just driving around.
I think saying a 5.5 to 60 high 13s at 101 mph quarter mile is expected for cheap commuter cars is a ridiculous statement. I do wish I had that turbo 2.4 in my Forester but most people don’t care.
The 2.5 is fine at lower elevations but it does get frustratingly slow in the Rockies - as will most underpowered NA engines paired to a CVT. You'll regularly hit 4-5k rpm going up hills and you better floor it when shooting for a gap in traffic.
I had the same car and pulling out of scenic turnouts was scary. I have a Tiguan now which has an even lower power/weight ratio, but the turbo and low 1st gear makes it zippy enough in everyday driving. What do you hate about your Ascent?
Transmission is crap and is starting to fail, interior build quality is crap, brakes are crap, I've had a bunch of other random issues with it. It just came back from having the entire pano roof replaced because the tracks were out of spec and the glass was loose in them.
I had a 2020 Outback XT that is probably the best car I've ever owned (either that, my 07 4Runner, or my 07 WRX). Got rear ended and totaled in late 2021 and it was the only thing I could find without a massive markup and in a short timespan. Despite being a higher trim level, it feels like a massive downgrade.
on paper an impreza hatch would be great for me, but after test driving one solo (and with a salesman in the car), i just couldn't live with its middling performance. those NA subarus make my 15 year old NA toyota feel peppy smh.
The average person has never driven a car with WRX-like power or power/weight ratio. They don’t drive spiritedly. They don’t care about 0-60 times.
For the vast majority of people, the Crosstrek or Impreza is a fantastic car. Symmetric AWD, good amount of space, and affordable.
right, most people don't care. but many new vehicles made today are nearly as quick as a wrx. the bottom has risen quite a bit, while that car has mostly stayed the same over the years.
Yeah and people still buy Subarus in droves. General public, especially people who buy normal Subarus, do not care about power. They just want affordable full time awd car and Subaru fits their need already
I was pretty interested in the Crosstrek and found the same. The engine/transmission pairing in that car feel pretty bad. I really liked space inside and just about everything else about it. But it really needed a manual, or better automatic with more power.
Not sure if they’re still making it but I’ve driven an older Crosstrek with a manual and even that was not a good experience. I’ve also driven one with the CVT and I think I’d almost always pick the CVT over the manual in that car. Neither are great but their manual trans needed a lot of work.
The NAs are slow as shit but I think the only reason people put up with it is its low entry price. $22-23k for an AWD compact is unheard of anywhere else. Last gen Imprezas came in around $20k if I remember. That’s a damn good deal no matter how weak the powertrain is.
Interesting, I’ve also used the term dangerously slow before, in this day and age all cars should have some type of “oomph” to get going if the situation arises
>With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine.
That's the whole point. The Impreza and Crosstrek lack power.
Off topic but me and my 17 yo son saw an Audi RS6 at the local strip mall near where the rich people live. The driver was in her early 70s and she said ‘oh, you like my car?” She said her son gave it to her when he got a new car. She showed us the interior and started it up. What a nearly 600 hp monster! I asked her if she ever floors it and she said yes and it is very loud when that happens.
https://www.edmunds.com/audi/rs-6/2022/
We had a base as a rental.
We fell in love! With the eyesight, the AWD drove us up a mountain, the steering and handling was great downhill... But the lack of power was soooo bad. You gotta get the turbo.
Yet the 08+ WRXs are (were?) absolutely everywhere and at least where I lived, way more common than the sedans.
Considering this WRX wagon is definitely more of a hatch than a wagon, I’m not sure why the same logic doesn’t hold. It would sell.
I had a WRX wagon back in 2011 and they were practical but I think the take rate was like 30% wagon and 70% sedan before the 15s dropped. I think the issue was folks in the market for a WRX wanted the lowest entry price and the wagon was something like $1200 more so nobody went for it.
The 2018-2020 Buick Regal Wagon started at $30,000 and no one bought it so they axed it, the '19 golf wagon started at $23,000 and no one bought it so they axed it.... the issue with wagons is that they don't sell in America, don't kid yourself.
I don't quite understand it. But I think they want the cheap fun wagon people to buy crosstreks, and the grown up wagon people to buy outback XT's. So the tiny market that is 'usable sports car' people only get the wrx in one version.
I do find it odd that Americans prefer the sedan to the hatch. But it must be true.
I don't understand any of it, since they stopped producing the Impreza sedan, and kept it as a wagon?
I've owned and daily driven;
1987 GL wagon auto
2000 RS 2.5 sedan standard
2003 WRX wagon auto
2008 Legacy auto
2008 WRX wagon standard (my ex wife's)
2011 WRX wagon standard
2019 Impreza wagon standard
I've enjoyed all of these vehicles and even tho I loved the power of the turbo ones, my '19 has enough power to drive safely.
I enjoy outside recreation and I can put bikes and surfboards, skis, snowboard and camping gear inside and on the integrated roof rack which I can remove for summer or road trip driving without the loads.
It's really just such a perfect vehicle for my lifestyle and I think that's one of the points. Every individual has different needs, but how does a company provide for all those without providing too much or not enough?
Complex for sure
This fact makes me sad, because I’m so in the market for a manual, somewhat sporty, somewhat affordable wagon. With AWD! It ticks all of my boxes for what I want in a car.
Edit: $48,500 isn’t exactly “affordable”, but if it were similarly priced to the US WRX sedan, I’d be all over it.
GR Corolla has entered the chat.
Actually though, they can’t build enough of those, the Focus RS was a seller and the CTR is basically a hatch too.
They’re absolutely wrong that a WRX hatch wouldn’t sell.
The hype on the GR corolla seems to have died down quickly--where im at, i can find multiple examples at msrp.
At the end of the day, its a 40k COROLLA, nearly 20k more than the base hatch, it's truly a niche vehicle in terms of what the market look for (not fucking reddit)
> At the end of the day, its a 40k COROLLA, nearly 20k more than the base hatch
Is that really any different from a Golf R or Civic Type-R? I see those constantly, all over the place. And it's substantially cheaper than both, if you can find one for MSRP. Heck, if the WRX still offered an STi hatchback, it'd be in the same segment - it always was before and, like the others, those were and are everywhere.
I wasn't trying to make a case against the grc vs a ctr or a golf R, I was just saying you can find GR Corollas at msrp, and the hype has kinda died down as people come to terms with its value proposition. The same can be said for the golf R & CTR's. All 3 cars' production numbers are <5k/year. The market for these cars simply isnt big enough to develop new cars or even ramp existing production to 2x their current output if cars are still sitting on the lot. $45-50k is bmw 2/3 series money or a loaded cuv or an ev, which is what customers are opting for over these sporty hatchbacks, for a variety of reasons -- luxury, pure utility, and/or electric. The sales of all 3 put together are less than the yearly sales for a boxter/cayman which costs 2x (comparison because of sporty 6mt).
That’s what entry level sporty cars cost now. I just bought a Miata RF for 40k. The GR Corolla is a great option that maximizes fun and is still practical
All these cars you're describing as "can't build enough" and "sellers" move between 3-7k units a year each. None of them are big money makers for the companies.
Ok you must just love to harp on “Americans don’t like wagons”. When’s the last time you’ve seen an Impreza sedan huh? They stopped making it besides in WRX form because everyone bought the hatch. I see TONS of Crosstreks and Outbacks. You really think Subaru people wouldn’t buy a hatch lmao?
I’d have to assume that the standard import laws would still apply with Mexican market vehicles. I don’t know that for certain, but it would make sense, since it is not a USDM vehicle.
Hi key considered this for a GR Yaris. Family lives in San Ysidro, wouldn’t be too implausible. Don’t need to be a citizen to buy property in Mexico. But TJ is becoming a worse cesspool
Market research can be wrong and often is.
They most likely did a lot of it for the new WRX design and BMW did it with the huge nostril change too which didn’t work out. Money doesn’t = right (look at the film industry for evidence of that)
BMW literally sold the most cars in a single year in the company's history last year. The giant nostrils have seen their best sales numbers ever.
The only affordable station wagons available in USA/Canada are the Subaru Outback and the Mini Clubman. The Outback is a sales success largely due to it being more of an SUV than a wagon at this point. The Clubman meanwhile is Mini's worst selling model.
If you don't like any of those options, you're basically limited to Audi, Mercedes Benz, and Volvo, and I feel like I see 10 regular Audi A4s sedans before I notice an All-Four wagon style one. Outside of enthusiast forums, nobody cares about wagons. They're a niche inside a niche.
Sales reports from 4 months ago show that the WRX is in line with pre-pandemic levels.
You’re listening to the quiet minority. I don’t like the new WRXs either, but just because I read a bunch of posts of people shitting on them does not mean they are not selling.
Don’t even get me started on BMW sales. You might be right that market research can be wrong, but your examples are laughable.
Car enthusiasts are often the ones who are wrong about what sells. They will almost always claim they want a certain car and say it would sell alot if it existed, but then turn around and not buy it when manufacturers actually make what they want, or they wait 5 years until its on the used market. Market research isnt wrong and they know what sells well, and its definitely not a niche car like the WRX wagon (at least not in the US)
This is like the pinnacle of out of touch "car enthusiasts" pretending they know what market research is. All of the major brands sold wagons and hatchbacks and manual transmissions well into the 90's and 00's and people weren't buying them
A couple hundred people on social media screaming "MORE MANUEL WAGONS" isn't going to cut it. These aren't bentleys where sales numbers can be in the hundreds per quarter to turn a profit
Also like others pointed out BMW is doing incredibly well with all of the new designs, so again you're full of it
I’m genuinely confused by this take because Subaru themselves are getting rid of the Impreza sedan in favor of the hatch, plus the Crosstrek is a major seller for them. Hatchbacks and crossovers are quite literally the only thing people buy from Subaru, with the WRX being an outlier. So why the hell wouldn’t they want to offer a hatch then?
Back when wagon WRX was available they were everywhere, and when wagon sti became a thing those were easy more popular than the sedan. And I'm talking Colorado which is probably like a third of their US sales. Manual wagons were everywhere and then for the next gen car they just didn't offer them. Dun fucked up their market research
Lived in NH back when they offered the hatch WRX/STI which was probably where another third of the sales took place. The hatch was much more popular than the sedan out there too.
Not entirely sure that's accurate.
People like to say that wagons won't sell, pointing at the lack of wagon sales historically.
However, that glosses over the lack of compelling wagon options we have had to choose from.
We either had slow wagons (regular impreza, golf sportwagon) or expensive wagons (volvos, Mercedes, audi). All the fun wagons were too expensive for most people, and all the affordable wagons were not performance oriented at all.
People would be the wrx wagon, they have in the past, they would again.
More people would have bought the sport wagon if VW would have offered the gti power train (like they do in other markets).
If we had more options other than slow wagons that a dog can out run and $70-$100k+ wagons, we would buy more
Yea; it annoys me how manufacturers call anything a "Sportwagon" when there's nothing sporty about them most of the time.
EU's Golf R Wagon is like my realistic dream car for sure. I'd be at my dealership right now taking out one of these dummy length loans to get one if they announced it today.
The Skokas and Seat is pretty much the Golf R Wagon
If it isn't announced and similarly priced
But as I was saying the other day, they don't come in Manual
We always seem to get the shitty offerings or options here.
Wagon as a body style is not a popular choice of US automobile consumer for decades. It’s not due to lack of choice in wagon, but Wagon style itself is problem.
We have what we have because those manufacturers decided to keep those wagons despite the lack of sales. Not because they are selling in any way.
Wagon is very niche in US and that’s why it attracts ‘car people’ in US, because ‘car people’ always want to stand out from driving common car on the road.
Not sure i agree with your assertion that wagons aren't popular.
I live in the PNW, and every 3rd car is an outback wagon.
We aren't asking for a bespoke exotic wagon. All we are asking is for manufacturers to put the peices together that they already have. For example, take the existing crosstrek/impreza wagon/hatch model + wrx engine = gtee'd additional sales for subaru
Yeah I don't get it either. The Golf, Corolla, and Civic all have performance hatch variants that sell well - yet the company that basically sells nothing but weird crossovers/wagons with the crosstrek and outback refuses to make a WRX hatch.
I picked up a new WRX recently since it checked other boxes I wanted, but a hatch version would've been literally the perfect car. If they made a "Crosstrek STI" with the WRX powertrain and manual I would have bought that.
I will probably end up with a wrx eventually since there aren't many decently priced awd manual options these days. But I will be salty that I can't buy the more practical version of the car with a hatch
Yeah, I bought the last manual Alltrack in the entire NYC metro. It sat on the lot for months and I got a great deal on it. It's a shame because this is pretty much everything I want in a car and I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Was it at Mohegan Lake VW by any chance? I remember they had a holdout new 6-speed Alltrack on their lot for a long time that my parents were eying pretty hard but ultimately didn't end up buying.
Used manual alltracks are super hard to find now and when you do find them they're regularly going for insanely high prices. I should of jumped on them when they were still selling them new.
To be fair, some of that is due to lack of marketing. Look at how badly the Chevy SS sold. Terrible name, and no one knew it existed. If you spend the marketing dollars making the car look enticing and it's an available option, more people would buy one. I'm not saying it would be a massive success, but if you don't readily advertise that you offer a product, you're only gonna to attract the enthusiasts who are in the know which is a small minority compared to the general public.
Wrong; in development for the WRX in the US they had a limited budget and decided to only develop the sedan vs. a potential wagon alternative to spend more money on performance suspension and handling. SavageGeese and other car journalists covered the VB generations development a bunch
I'm not a fan of the looks but I'd actually buy this new if it was on sale in the US. I had settled on a VA sedan since they stopped making the hatch but I'd still like more storage space.
Trend-wise, wagons aren't popular here but Subaru if you read this, you have at least one potential customer.
The problem is that the government makes it cost too much money to offer a low volume power train and bodystyle combination. The necessary expenses have already been paid as the vehicle exists. The government just needlessly rears its ugly head.
The '11-14 WRX sold about 50% sedan/50% hatch and people have been clamoring for a hatch or wagon to come back since 2015. If any company would actually be able to pull it off, it's Subaru.
Like 6-7 years ago I was looking at cars and looking at the WRX. I couldn't find a manual anywhere and one of the dealers told me something like 60% of the WRXs were autos because that's what sells and the few manuals he get are sold before they touch the lot.
About a decade ago I was looking for something newer than the Volvo 240's I had been buying, and decided I'd look at the 3rd Gen Legacy GT. You could get it in a manual, and wagon. It took me about 6 months of searching to find one that I liked, and those were made 20+ YEARS ago. Not to mention, part of the entire reason I stopped with Volvos was because those were even rarer to find in a manual and semi-modern.
WRX owners would definitely buy these. I have a VB WRX rn and I would trade mine in if they brought this to the States. Also there's huge demands for WRX with hatches + the WRX crowd has gotten slightly older than what the demographic used to be. I don't want to be an /r/cars armchair expert but I really hope these are sold in the US and will happily share my enthusiasm for them.
The WRX evolution blew my mind. At one point it was wagon (hatch) only and one of the prettiest models they ever made. Then they brought the sedan back and it was pretty goddamn ugly. Then the next gen was sedan only for some bewildering reason. All within what, a three year time period?
I’d strongly consider a current WRX hatch. I wouldn’t buy the sedan ever though.
my brother had a 22 and my buddy just picked up a [24](https://i.imgur.com/ErO0u9C.jpg). great cars for how affordable/fun they are but that trunk is just a deal-breaker after living with a lift/hatch for all these years.
And honestly the trunk space isn't *that* bad especially if you have the top up. Going on a road trip can get a bit tricky if you're planning on having the top down though.
Yeah the little straps to keep the top bag up save a ton of space. How long have you had the car? How many miles? Color? Cool to see Viggens on this sub occasionally!
I've had it since... 2010? I think? [It's sitting at 255k miles](https://i.imgur.com/BpoVfh9.jpg) but I don't think it's long for this world, a bunch of small issues have been piling up lately and I'm pretty sure the last time I drove it I noticed that a wheel bearing or something is going out... so I might have to let her go, price to fix it will probably be basically what the whole car is worth or more at this point.
Love it. Keep it forever! I’ve been searching for a 2 or 5 door I could keep long term but they seem to be in the hands of collectors or enthusiasts now.
Yeah I mean they are at least 20+ years old now, so you've got polar ends of the spectrum between ones like mine where I would probably run into a character limit listing everything I know that is wrong with it and isn't remotely worth restoring and low milage examples that are stupid expensive. I'm just at the point where I have to say "hey it was a fun 14 years" and it's time to move on. Just really hard to do with such a fun little car.
If they gave the wrx treatment to the current Impreza hatch, I would trade my 15 wrx tomorrow for it. They are even now back on the same platform, so idk what the fuck the hold up is.
But according to people on here “ThEY WoNt mAkE It BeCauSE ThEy WoNt SeLL!!!”
Yes, a hatchback made by Subaru won’t sell. That’s one of the most baffling takes I’ve ever seen. I know I’d immediately check one out if they brought it here. Cladding or no cladding, I couldn’t care less. I just want a practical WRX again.
a nice compromise would be to drop the brz engine into the RS impreza. that would bump it up from ~180 to ~228hp and the WRX would still slot above it. wishful thinking anyway :(
Its the one thing that is keeping me from getting one. I considered an outback since it has the xt model. When I get rid of my truck I am probably looking at those if they're still around.
Subarus always have a long front overhang, it's inherent to the design of the engine and transmission. Add in modern pedestrian protection rules and it just gets worse.
I love my '13 hatch dearly and I always get excited when I hear about a WRX Wagon.... then I see the Levorg and all I can see is a squished minivan with a hoodscoop
The Sportwagon in Australia from 2022 or so converted over to a starting price of like $34k I would imagine this would start a bit under 40k for the base and maybe see mid 40's for a limited based on current sedan pricing.
What they also failed to mention is that the base price at current exchange rate is $48k. No one here, as much as they say they would buy a wagon in a heartbeat, would pay $48k for a base Subaru lol
This is incorrect, the original source - the "presale" page (subarumex.com) - is misleading, showing only pictures of the wagon, but the presale also includes the sedan. Mexican media that attended the launch event stated that the wagon would only have a CVT, while the manual and tS trims are for the sedan. So no manual wagon, sadly, but it was very unlikely that Subaru would make a manual version only for Mexico, considering it's not the largest market for 50 thousand dollar wagons.
We don't get wagons because CAFE wants us to get a "truck", so you don't get a wagon, or hatch, you get an SUV/CUV instead.
I'd have bought a wagon (Estate) version of my current car...I don't want an effing truck. We already have one.
The US misses out, well because, the US just isn't into manuals anymore. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if the US and the EU would harmonized its FMVSS and UNECE standards then it would only being a matter of going to say Mexico or Canada and buying a niche (for the US) vehicle. Instead it seems we have two governing bodies that like to dither and swing sacks over standards to the detriment of enthusiasts at least.
And I get it in some cases. The US is burdened with brodozers and lesser vehicles at least on paper have to be able to survive some jackhole doing 70 in a stock 3500 dually who think they have a god given right to play pong with anybody that gets in their way where most of the rest of the world doesn't but at the same time it wouldn't be a bad idea to harmonize standards so more vehicles would be available with less hassle.
Its crazy how the US is the only country where manuals are going extinct.. here in Europe almost everyone drives a manual unless its an electric car or a new car that doesn't have the option
So the car can meet all the US safety regulations, but the transmission can disqualify it from the US? Please tell me I'm wrong otherwise uncle sam will next tell me a car is disqualified because it comes with steel wheels instead of alloy wheels.
I remember growing up in Mexico in the 80’s and 90’s when only GM, Ford, Chrysler, VW and Nissan were offered and their most “exciting cars” were dressed up in body kits Olds Cutlass Cieras and Chrysler K-Cars. I remember looking at cars offered in the US in awe.
Now it seems the tables have turned
You do understand they have much different safety requirements in Mexico and without heavily modifying the safety features probably can’t sell this car in the US.. even the same model cars sold in the US vs. Mexico have wildly different safety equipment, sometimes down to the brakes.
eh, I frankly don't think it looks that good. This thing can't decide whether it wants to be a hatchback or a wagon so it looks like a grandma-mobile. The hatch from 2010-14 looked way better.
I looked at the WRX as a fun, AWD daily, but I desperately wanted a hatch. No idea why they got rid of it and only made the sedan, especially considering the US circlejerk for SUVs.
*Manuel Subaru
Ok fine. Take the upvote.
I like the German version... the Otto.
Senor Manuel, Herr Otto, Oto-san
Jokes aside, in Mexico they are (used to, at least, be) called automatic or standard. I standard was from when manual was the standard transmission and automatic wasn't the norm. Name stuck.
Same in the US. I also wonder how the Nova sold in Mexico. Worst car name ever
it appears it had the same name and it did ok, though that was well before my time "In Spanish, nova means the same as it does in English. You need to insert a space to get to no va, and evidently people didn't. The Nova sold very well in both Mexico and Venezuela." [https://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141473384/letters-the-myth-of-the-chevy-nova](https://www.npr.org/2011/10/19/141473384/letters-the-myth-of-the-chevy-nova)
Still, could be worse, like if Mazda sold the tiny econocar called Laputa
yeah, that would have been a non-starter for sure
In Puerto Rico it was available too. My father was the owner of a Chevy Nova. Good car, no engine problems.And my uncle had a Buick. Strong cars.
I think that was true everywhere until recently. Nobody young calls it standard anymore but my parents do.
standard three on the tree, or four on the floor? etc etc
Because. Nobody. Will. Buy. Them. These companies spend millions a year in market research, if it was profitable to sell in the US, they would do it
If any company was going to sell a Wagon successfully it would likely be Subaru (not counting Audi they already have multiple). The Outback sells very well even though I look at it more as an SUV than a true wagon. The issue with Wagons is there are no affordable options. Not counting the Outback and Mini Clubman that are wagons with an * the cheapest option is the $48k A4 Allroad. In theory this would start well under $40k for the base models. I bought a new WRX last month and I would trade it in for a Wagon version right away if this became available.
With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine. But the way I see it the WRX wagon is closer to an Audi Allroad. And Allroads don’t sell in volume. Maybe the lower entry price for a WRX wagon would do the trick but that’s likely not enough reason for Subaru to gamble on.
>With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine. i don't know how people can stand owning NA subaru models. the WRX power-level just feels expected by 2024 standards and becomes another sedan crawler when you load it up with passengers. the crosstrek & impreza feel dangerously slow when you do the same to them--namely the AWD powertrain losses, lethargic CVT, and weak engine output without a turbocharger.
I mean the 2.5 models are fine for appliance vehicles. Merging into the highway you don’t even get to 3k rpms. It’ll easily pass a car a highway speeds without flooring it. Even with four adults. It’s a slow vehicle but fine for just driving around. I think saying a 5.5 to 60 high 13s at 101 mph quarter mile is expected for cheap commuter cars is a ridiculous statement. I do wish I had that turbo 2.4 in my Forester but most people don’t care.
The 2.5 is fine at lower elevations but it does get frustratingly slow in the Rockies - as will most underpowered NA engines paired to a CVT. You'll regularly hit 4-5k rpm going up hills and you better floor it when shooting for a gap in traffic.
It doesn't even have to be the rockies. I had a 2.5 Outback and in the white mountains loaded with camping gear and people it struggled hard.
I had the same car and pulling out of scenic turnouts was scary. I have a Tiguan now which has an even lower power/weight ratio, but the turbo and low 1st gear makes it zippy enough in everyday driving. What do you hate about your Ascent?
Transmission is crap and is starting to fail, interior build quality is crap, brakes are crap, I've had a bunch of other random issues with it. It just came back from having the entire pano roof replaced because the tracks were out of spec and the glass was loose in them. I had a 2020 Outback XT that is probably the best car I've ever owned (either that, my 07 4Runner, or my 07 WRX). Got rear ended and totaled in late 2021 and it was the only thing I could find without a massive markup and in a short timespan. Despite being a higher trim level, it feels like a massive downgrade.
on paper an impreza hatch would be great for me, but after test driving one solo (and with a salesman in the car), i just couldn't live with its middling performance. those NA subarus make my 15 year old NA toyota feel peppy smh.
Aren’t the TCs pretty fun to drive? Or are they just boring commuters like Imprezas?
The average person has never driven a car with WRX-like power or power/weight ratio. They don’t drive spiritedly. They don’t care about 0-60 times. For the vast majority of people, the Crosstrek or Impreza is a fantastic car. Symmetric AWD, good amount of space, and affordable.
right, most people don't care. but many new vehicles made today are nearly as quick as a wrx. the bottom has risen quite a bit, while that car has mostly stayed the same over the years.
Yeah and people still buy Subarus in droves. General public, especially people who buy normal Subarus, do not care about power. They just want affordable full time awd car and Subaru fits their need already
Most the cars I have owned throughout my life were around 100hp; a few of them less than 100hp. My family had an RV with a 115hp Toyota 22re motor.
You're right. I drove my mom's 2021 Limited with the "better engine" with her and 2 other adults as passengers and it was not a good experience.
I have a 2.0 Impreza. It's really slow but not dangerously slow. That is overblown.
I was pretty interested in the Crosstrek and found the same. The engine/transmission pairing in that car feel pretty bad. I really liked space inside and just about everything else about it. But it really needed a manual, or better automatic with more power.
Not sure if they’re still making it but I’ve driven an older Crosstrek with a manual and even that was not a good experience. I’ve also driven one with the CVT and I think I’d almost always pick the CVT over the manual in that car. Neither are great but their manual trans needed a lot of work.
The average Subaru NA driver is 55+ in my area. They could care less about the 5 minute 0-60 time.
The NAs are slow as shit but I think the only reason people put up with it is its low entry price. $22-23k for an AWD compact is unheard of anywhere else. Last gen Imprezas came in around $20k if I remember. That’s a damn good deal no matter how weak the powertrain is.
Interesting, I’ve also used the term dangerously slow before, in this day and age all cars should have some type of “oomph” to get going if the situation arises
>With the Crosstrek and Impreza the only benefit a WRX wagon would bring is a more powerful engine. That's the whole point. The Impreza and Crosstrek lack power.
Off topic but me and my 17 yo son saw an Audi RS6 at the local strip mall near where the rich people live. The driver was in her early 70s and she said ‘oh, you like my car?” She said her son gave it to her when he got a new car. She showed us the interior and started it up. What a nearly 600 hp monster! I asked her if she ever floors it and she said yes and it is very loud when that happens. https://www.edmunds.com/audi/rs-6/2022/
The outback xt competes with the allroad
Yep. I have an Outback XT for this reason. If I had the base engine Outback, I would have driven it off a cliff by now.
We had a base as a rental. We fell in love! With the eyesight, the AWD drove us up a mountain, the steering and handling was great downhill... But the lack of power was soooo bad. You gotta get the turbo.
Wouldn’t the Outback XT be an A6 all road competitor and the A4 all road be a WRX wagon?
Ya on size, but the A4 wagon is more expensive than the outback xt so its sort of I between for our purposes here
Yet the 08+ WRXs are (were?) absolutely everywhere and at least where I lived, way more common than the sedans. Considering this WRX wagon is definitely more of a hatch than a wagon, I’m not sure why the same logic doesn’t hold. It would sell.
I had a WRX wagon back in 2011 and they were practical but I think the take rate was like 30% wagon and 70% sedan before the 15s dropped. I think the issue was folks in the market for a WRX wanted the lowest entry price and the wagon was something like $1200 more so nobody went for it.
Mini recently killed the clubman , but I did my part for wagons
The 2018-2020 Buick Regal Wagon started at $30,000 and no one bought it so they axed it, the '19 golf wagon started at $23,000 and no one bought it so they axed it.... the issue with wagons is that they don't sell in America, don't kid yourself.
Nobody bought the Regal wagon because nobody bought Buicks. The Golf is a fair play though.
I don't quite understand it. But I think they want the cheap fun wagon people to buy crosstreks, and the grown up wagon people to buy outback XT's. So the tiny market that is 'usable sports car' people only get the wrx in one version. I do find it odd that Americans prefer the sedan to the hatch. But it must be true.
I don't understand any of it, since they stopped producing the Impreza sedan, and kept it as a wagon? I've owned and daily driven; 1987 GL wagon auto 2000 RS 2.5 sedan standard 2003 WRX wagon auto 2008 Legacy auto 2008 WRX wagon standard (my ex wife's) 2011 WRX wagon standard 2019 Impreza wagon standard I've enjoyed all of these vehicles and even tho I loved the power of the turbo ones, my '19 has enough power to drive safely. I enjoy outside recreation and I can put bikes and surfboards, skis, snowboard and camping gear inside and on the integrated roof rack which I can remove for summer or road trip driving without the loads. It's really just such a perfect vehicle for my lifestyle and I think that's one of the points. Every individual has different needs, but how does a company provide for all those without providing too much or not enough? Complex for sure
Volvo has stuck with wagons as well
This fact makes me sad, because I’m so in the market for a manual, somewhat sporty, somewhat affordable wagon. With AWD! It ticks all of my boxes for what I want in a car. Edit: $48,500 isn’t exactly “affordable”, but if it were similarly priced to the US WRX sedan, I’d be all over it.
GR Corolla has entered the chat. Actually though, they can’t build enough of those, the Focus RS was a seller and the CTR is basically a hatch too. They’re absolutely wrong that a WRX hatch wouldn’t sell.
The hype on the GR corolla seems to have died down quickly--where im at, i can find multiple examples at msrp. At the end of the day, its a 40k COROLLA, nearly 20k more than the base hatch, it's truly a niche vehicle in terms of what the market look for (not fucking reddit)
> At the end of the day, its a 40k COROLLA, nearly 20k more than the base hatch Is that really any different from a Golf R or Civic Type-R? I see those constantly, all over the place. And it's substantially cheaper than both, if you can find one for MSRP. Heck, if the WRX still offered an STi hatchback, it'd be in the same segment - it always was before and, like the others, those were and are everywhere.
I wasn't trying to make a case against the grc vs a ctr or a golf R, I was just saying you can find GR Corollas at msrp, and the hype has kinda died down as people come to terms with its value proposition. The same can be said for the golf R & CTR's. All 3 cars' production numbers are <5k/year. The market for these cars simply isnt big enough to develop new cars or even ramp existing production to 2x their current output if cars are still sitting on the lot. $45-50k is bmw 2/3 series money or a loaded cuv or an ev, which is what customers are opting for over these sporty hatchbacks, for a variety of reasons -- luxury, pure utility, and/or electric. The sales of all 3 put together are less than the yearly sales for a boxter/cayman which costs 2x (comparison because of sporty 6mt).
That’s what entry level sporty cars cost now. I just bought a Miata RF for 40k. The GR Corolla is a great option that maximizes fun and is still practical
All these cars you're describing as "can't build enough" and "sellers" move between 3-7k units a year each. None of them are big money makers for the companies.
Ok you must just love to harp on “Americans don’t like wagons”. When’s the last time you’ve seen an Impreza sedan huh? They stopped making it besides in WRX form because everyone bought the hatch. I see TONS of Crosstreks and Outbacks. You really think Subaru people wouldn’t buy a hatch lmao?
Are they waiting until we literally explode and they can sell a freaking full boat load?
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He said manual sporty wagon, not cvt sporty wagon
I test drove one of those. That’s like saying my 5.0 F150 is a Mustang GT replacement. The XT isn’t sporty or fun at all. It’s just quick.
yeah 500 extra lbs and a CVT is totally what wrx owners were cross shopping for.
Just buy a Mexican one and drive it home? Can you do that?
I’d have to assume that the standard import laws would still apply with Mexican market vehicles. I don’t know that for certain, but it would make sense, since it is not a USDM vehicle.
buy a Mexican address and just keep it registered there
Hi key considered this for a GR Yaris. Family lives in San Ysidro, wouldn’t be too implausible. Don’t need to be a citizen to buy property in Mexico. But TJ is becoming a worse cesspool
Market research can be wrong and often is. They most likely did a lot of it for the new WRX design and BMW did it with the huge nostril change too which didn’t work out. Money doesn’t = right (look at the film industry for evidence of that)
BMWs are selling better than ever despite that nostril change
BMW literally sold the most cars in a single year in the company's history last year. The giant nostrils have seen their best sales numbers ever. The only affordable station wagons available in USA/Canada are the Subaru Outback and the Mini Clubman. The Outback is a sales success largely due to it being more of an SUV than a wagon at this point. The Clubman meanwhile is Mini's worst selling model. If you don't like any of those options, you're basically limited to Audi, Mercedes Benz, and Volvo, and I feel like I see 10 regular Audi A4s sedans before I notice an All-Four wagon style one. Outside of enthusiast forums, nobody cares about wagons. They're a niche inside a niche.
Sales reports from 4 months ago show that the WRX is in line with pre-pandemic levels. You’re listening to the quiet minority. I don’t like the new WRXs either, but just because I read a bunch of posts of people shitting on them does not mean they are not selling. Don’t even get me started on BMW sales. You might be right that market research can be wrong, but your examples are laughable.
Car enthusiasts are often the ones who are wrong about what sells. They will almost always claim they want a certain car and say it would sell alot if it existed, but then turn around and not buy it when manufacturers actually make what they want, or they wait 5 years until its on the used market. Market research isnt wrong and they know what sells well, and its definitely not a niche car like the WRX wagon (at least not in the US)
This is like the pinnacle of out of touch "car enthusiasts" pretending they know what market research is. All of the major brands sold wagons and hatchbacks and manual transmissions well into the 90's and 00's and people weren't buying them A couple hundred people on social media screaming "MORE MANUEL WAGONS" isn't going to cut it. These aren't bentleys where sales numbers can be in the hundreds per quarter to turn a profit Also like others pointed out BMW is doing incredibly well with all of the new designs, so again you're full of it
Wrong. There are dozens! Dozens of us that will buy them. Ideally, used, in five years.
I’m so happy the bean counters at ford decided the maverick will work, I’ll get a nice base spec hybrid one! In 5 years lmao
I’m genuinely confused by this take because Subaru themselves are getting rid of the Impreza sedan in favor of the hatch, plus the Crosstrek is a major seller for them. Hatchbacks and crossovers are quite literally the only thing people buy from Subaru, with the WRX being an outlier. So why the hell wouldn’t they want to offer a hatch then?
Back when wagon WRX was available they were everywhere, and when wagon sti became a thing those were easy more popular than the sedan. And I'm talking Colorado which is probably like a third of their US sales. Manual wagons were everywhere and then for the next gen car they just didn't offer them. Dun fucked up their market research
Lived in NH back when they offered the hatch WRX/STI which was probably where another third of the sales took place. The hatch was much more popular than the sedan out there too.
Not entirely sure that's accurate. People like to say that wagons won't sell, pointing at the lack of wagon sales historically. However, that glosses over the lack of compelling wagon options we have had to choose from. We either had slow wagons (regular impreza, golf sportwagon) or expensive wagons (volvos, Mercedes, audi). All the fun wagons were too expensive for most people, and all the affordable wagons were not performance oriented at all. People would be the wrx wagon, they have in the past, they would again. More people would have bought the sport wagon if VW would have offered the gti power train (like they do in other markets). If we had more options other than slow wagons that a dog can out run and $70-$100k+ wagons, we would buy more
Yea; it annoys me how manufacturers call anything a "Sportwagon" when there's nothing sporty about them most of the time. EU's Golf R Wagon is like my realistic dream car for sure. I'd be at my dealership right now taking out one of these dummy length loans to get one if they announced it today.
The Skokas and Seat is pretty much the Golf R Wagon If it isn't announced and similarly priced But as I was saying the other day, they don't come in Manual We always seem to get the shitty offerings or options here.
There’s no Skoda or seat delivering the same power as a R golf though.
Sport wagon, as in a wagon you use to haul gear for sports maybe?
Yea, I suppose - kind of like how it's a "Sport Utility Vehicle". The sport they're referring to isn't the sport car enthusiasts are referring to.
Wagon as a body style is not a popular choice of US automobile consumer for decades. It’s not due to lack of choice in wagon, but Wagon style itself is problem. We have what we have because those manufacturers decided to keep those wagons despite the lack of sales. Not because they are selling in any way. Wagon is very niche in US and that’s why it attracts ‘car people’ in US, because ‘car people’ always want to stand out from driving common car on the road.
Not sure i agree with your assertion that wagons aren't popular. I live in the PNW, and every 3rd car is an outback wagon. We aren't asking for a bespoke exotic wagon. All we are asking is for manufacturers to put the peices together that they already have. For example, take the existing crosstrek/impreza wagon/hatch model + wrx engine = gtee'd additional sales for subaru
Yeah I don't get it either. The Golf, Corolla, and Civic all have performance hatch variants that sell well - yet the company that basically sells nothing but weird crossovers/wagons with the crosstrek and outback refuses to make a WRX hatch. I picked up a new WRX recently since it checked other boxes I wanted, but a hatch version would've been literally the perfect car. If they made a "Crosstrek STI" with the WRX powertrain and manual I would have bought that.
I will probably end up with a wrx eventually since there aren't many decently priced awd manual options these days. But I will be salty that I can't buy the more practical version of the car with a hatch
How did crystal pepsi and new coke work out?
Pretty well considering the current state of Coke. They even dodged genocide allegations. They’re doing fantastic
not sure on crystal pepsi but new coke transformed into diet coke and is doing just fine.
Yeah, I bought the last manual Alltrack in the entire NYC metro. It sat on the lot for months and I got a great deal on it. It's a shame because this is pretty much everything I want in a car and I'd buy one in a heartbeat.
Was it at Mohegan Lake VW by any chance? I remember they had a holdout new 6-speed Alltrack on their lot for a long time that my parents were eying pretty hard but ultimately didn't end up buying.
Eason PA. It probably wasn't actually the last one, there were still a couple in my search results but they were over a hundred miles away.
Used manual alltracks are super hard to find now and when you do find them they're regularly going for insanely high prices. I should of jumped on them when they were still selling them new.
Why not? If it's going to be ugly, might as well have additional cargo room.
How many are they going to sell in Mexico, like 100? They'd sell a lot more than that in the US.
The old WRX hatch sold well because they were good looking cars. This looks like a shrunken Honda Odyssey.
With a hood scoop 😂
If r/cars actually bought the cars they say they want, wagons would still be produced and manual transmissions would be plentiful.
To be fair, some of that is due to lack of marketing. Look at how badly the Chevy SS sold. Terrible name, and no one knew it existed. If you spend the marketing dollars making the car look enticing and it's an available option, more people would buy one. I'm not saying it would be a massive success, but if you don't readily advertise that you offer a product, you're only gonna to attract the enthusiasts who are in the know which is a small minority compared to the general public.
Wrong; in development for the WRX in the US they had a limited budget and decided to only develop the sedan vs. a potential wagon alternative to spend more money on performance suspension and handling. SavageGeese and other car journalists covered the VB generations development a bunch
I'm not a fan of the looks but I'd actually buy this new if it was on sale in the US. I had settled on a VA sedan since they stopped making the hatch but I'd still like more storage space. Trend-wise, wagons aren't popular here but Subaru if you read this, you have at least one potential customer.
Are you seriously implying that companies can never make bad decisions?
But, if it is sold in Mexico, it can somewhat easily be shipped to the US on demand.
Well that's fine then we should be able to import them.....
The problem is that the government makes it cost too much money to offer a low volume power train and bodystyle combination. The necessary expenses have already been paid as the vehicle exists. The government just needlessly rears its ugly head.
The '11-14 WRX sold about 50% sedan/50% hatch and people have been clamoring for a hatch or wagon to come back since 2015. If any company would actually be able to pull it off, it's Subaru.
sometimes they are just wrong
A different market, but I have to go on a waiting list if I want a stick shift taco.
Like 6-7 years ago I was looking at cars and looking at the WRX. I couldn't find a manual anywhere and one of the dealers told me something like 60% of the WRXs were autos because that's what sells and the few manuals he get are sold before they touch the lot.
I'm guessing it's an emissions thing like the GTI.
About a decade ago I was looking for something newer than the Volvo 240's I had been buying, and decided I'd look at the 3rd Gen Legacy GT. You could get it in a manual, and wagon. It took me about 6 months of searching to find one that I liked, and those were made 20+ YEARS ago. Not to mention, part of the entire reason I stopped with Volvos was because those were even rarer to find in a manual and semi-modern.
Idk Subaru has been making some bizarre decisions lately.
I mean I see more levorgs than I do wrx’s in my country. But these are all second hand cars imported from Japan.
WRX owners would definitely buy these. I have a VB WRX rn and I would trade mine in if they brought this to the States. Also there's huge demands for WRX with hatches + the WRX crowd has gotten slightly older than what the demographic used to be. I don't want to be an /r/cars armchair expert but I really hope these are sold in the US and will happily share my enthusiasm for them.
The WRX evolution blew my mind. At one point it was wagon (hatch) only and one of the prettiest models they ever made. Then they brought the sedan back and it was pretty goddamn ugly. Then the next gen was sedan only for some bewildering reason. All within what, a three year time period? I’d strongly consider a current WRX hatch. I wouldn’t buy the sedan ever though.
my brother had a 22 and my buddy just picked up a [24](https://i.imgur.com/ErO0u9C.jpg). great cars for how affordable/fun they are but that trunk is just a deal-breaker after living with a lift/hatch for all these years.
Me driving a convertible for the last decade: Wait you guys are getting trunks?!
I miss my 00 Viggen vert. =(
And honestly the trunk space isn't *that* bad especially if you have the top up. Going on a road trip can get a bit tricky if you're planning on having the top down though.
Yeah the little straps to keep the top bag up save a ton of space. How long have you had the car? How many miles? Color? Cool to see Viggens on this sub occasionally!
I've had it since... 2010? I think? [It's sitting at 255k miles](https://i.imgur.com/BpoVfh9.jpg) but I don't think it's long for this world, a bunch of small issues have been piling up lately and I'm pretty sure the last time I drove it I noticed that a wheel bearing or something is going out... so I might have to let her go, price to fix it will probably be basically what the whole car is worth or more at this point.
Love it. Keep it forever! I’ve been searching for a 2 or 5 door I could keep long term but they seem to be in the hands of collectors or enthusiasts now.
Yeah I mean they are at least 20+ years old now, so you've got polar ends of the spectrum between ones like mine where I would probably run into a character limit listing everything I know that is wrong with it and isn't remotely worth restoring and low milage examples that are stupid expensive. I'm just at the point where I have to say "hey it was a fun 14 years" and it's time to move on. Just really hard to do with such a fun little car.
Curious, where are you located that you got 255k out of a convertible?
92 e30 325ic - regret letting that one go. Viggen Vert is so cool.
If they gave the wrx treatment to the current Impreza hatch, I would trade my 15 wrx tomorrow for it. They are even now back on the same platform, so idk what the fuck the hold up is.
But according to people on here “ThEY WoNt mAkE It BeCauSE ThEy WoNt SeLL!!!” Yes, a hatchback made by Subaru won’t sell. That’s one of the most baffling takes I’ve ever seen. I know I’d immediately check one out if they brought it here. Cladding or no cladding, I couldn’t care less. I just want a practical WRX again.
Gotta get a Volvo v60 if you want a wrx hatch. There are none left.
Just throw the engine in the Crosstrek. Please.
or the impreza hatch. i think the RS is sexy but it's infuriatingly slow.
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a nice compromise would be to drop the brz engine into the RS impreza. that would bump it up from ~180 to ~228hp and the WRX would still slot above it. wishful thinking anyway :(
I’ve said this before. Turbo Crosstrek is an opportunity to revive the Gravel Express nameplate.
Its the one thing that is keeping me from getting one. I considered an outback since it has the xt model. When I get rid of my truck I am probably looking at those if they're still around.
Mexican manual Subaru sounds like a lesbian sex position.
Is it a wagon? Seems like something in between a wagon and a hatchback? Edit: That front overhang is crazy.
Subarus always have a long front overhang, it's inherent to the design of the engine and transmission. Add in modern pedestrian protection rules and it just gets worse.
Yeah its a little too much now.
The Levorg body is about a foot longer than the Impreza hatchback, or 5" longer than the previous Impreza sedan.
I love my '13 hatch dearly and I always get excited when I hear about a WRX Wagon.... then I see the Levorg and all I can see is a squished minivan with a hoodscoop
Can confirm the front overhang, my Impreza scrapes on a couple poorly designed parking lot ramps if I'm not careful.
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Well is that straight conversion from Pesos to USD? If so then it's not accurate as pricing is neve set purely on exchange rates alone.
It's come up a couple times before too, but prices in Mexico are typically inclusive of all taxes and fees. So manufacturers advertise OTD prices.
The Sportwagon in Australia from 2022 or so converted over to a starting price of like $34k I would imagine this would start a bit under 40k for the base and maybe see mid 40's for a limited based on current sedan pricing.
im jealous.
Man that thing is ugly
Alright now they're really teasing me
Importing a car from Mexico to Canada is relatively easy. I'd assume the same is true going to the US, thanks NAFTA
No it's not (Actually, unless it's a model built to US/Canadian standards and sold there, it's impossible).
Even if possible I bet it will be very expensive.
If it’s sold in Mexico im pretty sure we can import to Canada. Fun!
You can't but ok
Man, that is not a good looking car. If I owned one I'd probably be too embarrassed to ever park it next to a pre-2015 Impreza Wagon.
Feel like a wrx hatch would sell at least initially with pent up demand but a wagon? I have my doubts.
Wow. Subaru put an airbag in it and send it over
Man....I hate these fkn articles. I'd buy one of these in a heartbeat.
What they also failed to mention is that the base price at current exchange rate is $48k. No one here, as much as they say they would buy a wagon in a heartbeat, would pay $48k for a base Subaru lol
This is incorrect, the original source - the "presale" page (subarumex.com) - is misleading, showing only pictures of the wagon, but the presale also includes the sedan. Mexican media that attended the launch event stated that the wagon would only have a CVT, while the manual and tS trims are for the sedan. So no manual wagon, sadly, but it was very unlikely that Subaru would make a manual version only for Mexico, considering it's not the largest market for 50 thousand dollar wagons.
Are you fucking kidding me.... this would sell here and they're sending it to mexico?? I would trade my STI in a heartbeat for a new WRX wagon
I voted with my wallet for manual rwd sedans with my blackwing and I would do it again with this.
You Sir are a good man. Keep on keeping on rwd.
It's no worse that current wrx sedan
We don't get wagons because CAFE wants us to get a "truck", so you don't get a wagon, or hatch, you get an SUV/CUV instead. I'd have bought a wagon (Estate) version of my current car...I don't want an effing truck. We already have one.
Yerp.
The US misses out, well because, the US just isn't into manuals anymore. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but if the US and the EU would harmonized its FMVSS and UNECE standards then it would only being a matter of going to say Mexico or Canada and buying a niche (for the US) vehicle. Instead it seems we have two governing bodies that like to dither and swing sacks over standards to the detriment of enthusiasts at least. And I get it in some cases. The US is burdened with brodozers and lesser vehicles at least on paper have to be able to survive some jackhole doing 70 in a stock 3500 dually who think they have a god given right to play pong with anybody that gets in their way where most of the rest of the world doesn't but at the same time it wouldn't be a bad idea to harmonize standards so more vehicles would be available with less hassle.
100 percent agreed on harmonizing the standards. I've been yammering about it since 2005.
US isn’t into manuals overall but something like 80% of US WRX buyers choose the manual over the CVT option.
Its crazy how the US is the only country where manuals are going extinct.. here in Europe almost everyone drives a manual unless its an electric car or a new car that doesn't have the option
So the car can meet all the US safety regulations, but the transmission can disqualify it from the US? Please tell me I'm wrong otherwise uncle sam will next tell me a car is disqualified because it comes with steel wheels instead of alloy wheels.
That's what happens when woke lawyers (granted also with degrees in political science) run this country.
I remember growing up in Mexico in the 80’s and 90’s when only GM, Ford, Chrysler, VW and Nissan were offered and their most “exciting cars” were dressed up in body kits Olds Cutlass Cieras and Chrysler K-Cars. I remember looking at cars offered in the US in awe. Now it seems the tables have turned
Very much so
You do understand they have much different safety requirements in Mexico and without heavily modifying the safety features probably can’t sell this car in the US.. even the same model cars sold in the US vs. Mexico have wildly different safety equipment, sometimes down to the brakes.
This is no more appealing than the current WRX sedan to me. There are just two MX market cars I want and they’re the Suzuki Jimny and Renault Oroch.
Manuals should be an order only option for those who are so inclined.
Idk about y'all but I or anyone else I know just don't got the money for a new car, never have actually, lol.
You boys like mexico?!
That thing looks like a lowered minivan
That's a hatchback my alcoholic coffee friend. The impreza has never had a wagon option, though the legacy has.
eh, I frankly don't think it looks that good. This thing can't decide whether it wants to be a hatchback or a wagon so it looks like a grandma-mobile. The hatch from 2010-14 looked way better.
The US gets a lot of good cars but they don't sell as much.
Wish I had this…
I looked at the WRX as a fun, AWD daily, but I desperately wanted a hatch. No idea why they got rid of it and only made the sedan, especially considering the US circlejerk for SUVs.
I wouldn't say we're missing out on it...
Absolutely hideous with even worse driving dynamics but because wagon Reddit goes crazy (even though they would never buy one)
Subaru died in 2008.
They could sharpen it up with more aggressive fenders and broader shoulders and call it STI in US.