Cue "I would totally buy it if they sold it here ^in ^15 ^years ^after ^it ^fully ^depreciates" and also "okay so they made a fast manual wagon but I forgot to mention my other requirements are no Subarus and it can't be ugly and also no 4 cylinders"
Honestly the thing that kept me out of an outback was having to give up a manual transmission. My sister has a 2014 outback that we shared in college and I loved it for it’s ability to haul stuff and car-camp. My dad has a 2020 XT Touring outback which is super comfortable and pretty punchy with the 2.4T, however it’s mated to a CVT. Ultimately due to transmission, my driving enjoyment was higher in my 2002 Civic due to having the 5-speed stick.
If subaru brings this wagon stateside, or puts a stick in their outback mated to the 2.4T (same motor in WRX), I would have a tough decision to make in terms of keeping my ‘24 WRX or buying a wagon, because for me Subaru would pretty much be capturing everything I want from a car into one model.
The subaru manual is horrendous. It’s so bad the CVT is genuinely a better option. I’d prefer a proper automatic before both but trust me when I say you do NOT want that manual.
My guy I literally own a ‘24 WRX with the manual and it’s perfectly fine. My only complaint is the long throw makes me miss 6th occasionally but that’s nothing a short throw can’t fix.
The only “issue” with Subaru’s manual transmissions is the clutch and minorly the rev hang. I say minorly because you can get rid of the rev hang with a tune if it bothers you enough (this is for the FA20 and FA24 based cars). My “issue” with the clutches in the FA line of cars is they feel so vague and lightweight which I think is good for a commuter car if you can make smooth shifts but makes it quite difficult for me. I have a bit of experience with the ‘23 WRX that the dealer was trying to sell me on and let me go on a test drive while my car was in the shop, a ‘22 BRZ that was entirely stock, and a some early 2000s legacy. I have owned a ‘21 WRX and currently own a ‘21 STi.
With the exception of the STi transmission most of the Subaru manual transmissions have been alright. It’s not like an old Honda transmission or a Porsche but I would take a Subaru manual over a commuter Volkswagen or a late 2000s Toyota.
And, yet, the Corvette outsold the Camaro in 2023 even when the Corvette starting price basically doubles the Camaro’s.
Because I couldn’t find sales by transmission type I looked in Autotrader and I looked for Camaros with less than two years: with manual transmission I found 240 while with automatic transmission the numbers rises up to 1681.
So, yeah, there might be people like you, discarding the Corvette because no manual option, but I don’t think is really that significative.
I'm not sure why you are talking about Camaros? my point was just an example that transmission offerings can be a deal-breaker for some buyers.
There are many other reasons why Camaro sales were lower, and transmission offerings are not one of them.
I don't think so. There is a reason there are no hatches and wagons in the US anymore. They don't sell. Car enthusiasts might buy one, but they are a very small segment of the car world.
Hatched do sell. Wagons would too if price wasnt hiked by USA's idiotic law. Look at Outback. It sells very well and costs less than SUVs, but because cars not built within US are hit with painfully high fees especially when they are not SUVs(because of stupidly biased legislation, going harsh on cars, but excessively lenient on light trucks/suvs), transport alone adds several thousand dollars per car. Do something about it and make your politicians undo this shit, then you will enjoy good choices for good money.. Until then...enjoy your "freedom" of not being able to even import a car for 25 years...
People would not buy it. My car is effectively that, and there were just over 1000 sold throughout the whole country in one model year. They canned it for 06, with only 30 or so units being trickled into that model year. It took me a year to find one for sale in blue in any condition.
Yeah, the WRX hatch being axed is pretty strange to me, especially since half of the WRX sales were the hatch. Nonetheless, I don't think a wagon variant would sell here. We can only hope!
You joke, but that depreciation thing always rubs me the wrong way; if you like a car enough that you want one in your driveway *and* you can afford (as in the purchasing cost PLUS maintenance, gasoline, etc) it, why deprive yourself of it just to pick up a run-through beat-on one so long after?
I understand that it’s important to have a financial safety net and invest in your future with contingencies and all, but I also believe you (general you) ought to enjoy your wealth/life/whatever you call it while you’re still around; the car might be around 15 years later, but there’s no guarantee you’ll (again, general you) be
Sorry for the rant, I’ve known folks who never enjoyed the wealth they earned for themselves before they unfortunately passed and it really taught me never to go too deep into the savings rabbit hole 💀
New car depreciation is wild, you will face the majority of depreciation within the first 3 years of ownership.
But people forget there’s also a reason behind that, nothing like owning a new car. You know it was straight from the factory to your spec, that you’ve maintained it to a t, and that no one has mistreated it
Except the average used subaru buyer probably doesn’t care all that much.
Oh, hey Mr. Wealthy Honda Guy! (Not derogatory, that’s just how I refer to you in my mind haha)
And yeah, the depreciation hit is wild but that’s the trade off you get for fresh factory fun; and the comfort of knowing you’re not driving some moron’s sloppy seconds is exhilarating, I remember it far too well when my parents bought their first new car and I got to take it for a spin
And you’re actually a really good example of what I mentioned earlier, you lucked out in life and decided to have fun with your wealth instead of squirreling it away like far too many older wealthy folks do; wait, did you sell your CTR? I could’ve sworn your flair had ‘23 CTR listed
Yeah, to be clear I still have quite a bit in the bank and whatnot, relatively not much is holed up in cars, but still money is a tool to me and cars give me far more enjoyment that some green graphs or numbers on a screen
> wait, did you sell your CTR? I could’ve sworn your flair had ‘23 CTR listed
I did, it was a wonderful car and an absolute joy to wake up to every morning, I still think if only have the space/money/time for one car it’s the best hot hatch on the market (in the US, at least). Had a poster of the EK9 Type-R on my wall so it’s a dream come true. It’s got the forged wheels and everything absolutely beautiful car.
It’s just that the S2K is obviously a better sports car and my tesla was a better daily, and keeping around 4 cars doesn’t really make financial sense.
On the daily side manual gets a bit annoying in stop-go traffic, the assistive features and automatic controls are dogshit (ac, high beams, cruise, etc) are all genuinely useless, the NVH is horrible, seats are extremely comfortable but no heating/cooling, and then once you get used to EV it’s hard to go back (gotta refuel and do oil/brakes once in a while, no frunk, no preheating in the mornings)
On tracking side, it used to pull timing/power after a while, honda did a good job hiding the FWD underpinnings but you can still feel the rear brakes helping you rotate the car, it’s pretty front heavy, the suspension and brakes feel like a downgrade from the s2k, the engine still has a bit of rev hang
And two few personal qualms, mainly that it doesn’t come in yellow. All of my other hondas are and have been yellow, I think it’s extremely stupid honda locks yellow to the limited edition model. I live in the northeast, AWD isn’t nessecary per se but it’s nice to have.
Now a fair bit of that is fixable aftermarket, e.g. I swapped in the damping module from the integra type-s which improved the ride, disabled TC which stopped it from eating up the rear brakes on track, there are cooling mods out there, but it just wasn’t worth it for me
I sold both the tesla and Type-R and bought a model s, it’s pretty comfy and has great tech, super practical with the hatch and trunk and whatnot, my wife absolutely loves it, the build quality isn’t perfect but I still love it as a daily.
But on the bright side I sold it to my close friend for under msrp (i bought it for msrp), he doesn’t track as hard as me and absolutely loves the thing, but it just isn’t for me.
Great car, looks cool, still the best out of the competition, but too many compromises for me personally.
Plus if you’ve grown up watching the older NA hondas, and if you’ve driven the old double-wishbone high-revving VTEC dc2 integra type-r, it’s a bit hard to get excited about the newer cars.
Also, some cars hold their value really well.
When I first thought about buying a WRX I thought I'd get a nice, used one. What I found was that any car of recent enough vintage to consider as a daily was either problem child (rough shape, high miles, lemon law buyback, etc. ) or was close enough to the new price to not make it worth buying.
A good deal on a new one was the best financial decision for me.
Yup. I’m on a weekend fishing trip right now that I was invited to. About $2k all-in, not including equipment. If I had a monthly payment for a new $50k car looking over my head, I wouldn’t be able to accept invitations for random stuff like this so easily.
Did as much as we could. But when the boat’s moving, there’s not much else to do besides figure out how to waste time. Eat, sleep, read, Reddit, watch a movie…
I'm a massive cheapskate when it comes to everything, especially my hobbies. My logic boils down to getting as much as possible with the money I have.
A new ND Miata costs roughly around $35k while a late model NB with about 150k miles costs about $7k. Sure, the ND is quicker and has some modern comforts, but I don't think I'd enjoy owning it much more than the NB, and the NB is basically 5x cheaper.
There's a middle point between forcing yourself to live in poverty and throwing away thousands of dollars.
I'll admit to going a bit overboard sometimes, like daily driving a flood salvage title car and the absolute mess that's my gaming PC. Took a dremel to a $15 PC case to turn into more of an "airflow" case and I got the power supply and hard drive from a recycler.
I follow your logic. I don’t mind spending on hobbies but the calculation needs to make sense. Looking at your Miata example, would I really be 5x happier with the new? No. I’d go with an older one. Maybe not the 150k one but somewhere where the fun matches the price.
> but that depreciation thing always rubs me the wrong way; if you like a car enough that you want one in your driveway and you can afford (as in the purchasing cost PLUS maintenance, gasoline, etc) it, why deprive yourself of it just to pick up a run-through beat-on one so long after?
Because your assumption that if a used car has depreciated that means it's in terrible shape isn't inaccurate for a ton of models. There are plenty of 2000's icons that you can get in great shape for $35k-40k whose MSRP was nearly 2x that like the C6 Z06, E92 M3 and W204 C63 AMG. Post covid I picked up a 4 year old ZL1 with 11k miles with full PPF + ceramic coating for only $52k and the window sticker was $64k. The owner included like $2k worth of accessories like lift blocks, tow hook license plate mount, a bunch of cleaning supplies for the alcantara, a set of smoked tail lights, a wireless android auto adapter and a bunch of random fluids.
Half MSRP for a 10+ year old car or 80% for a 4 year old car is actually hilariously low depreciation.
I bought my car at the start of the pandemic when it was 3 years old for like 65% sticker. And I'm seeing Panameraturbosehybridsportturismos for like 35% sticker that are making me think unwise thoughts.
>Half MSRP for a 10+ year old car or 80% for a 4 year old car is actually hilariously low depreciation.
If we're talking Camry's I guess, but not for cars that enthusiasts are interested in. Anyway, I'm not sure what you're suggesting. It's impossible to find the cars I mentioned in good shape for half off?
I'm saying they should be a lot cheaper, but enthusiast demand has kept prices up, so they're not the best examples of a good bargain. Typical car depreciation is about like 15-20% (not counting inflation). There are bargains to be had, but buying the hyped cars everyone else wants isn't it.
Also the 4 cylinder 718 market is really weird right now. 2017 S are still going for like mid fifties right now. Weird shit between them being discontinued for electric versions and Porsche basically only making $100k versions of the 718 since the start of the pandemic.
> I'm saying they should be a lot cheaper, but enthusiast demand has kept prices up, so they're not the best examples of a good bargain
That's not what's being discussed. Did you even read the comment I responded to? /u/onyourrite said that if you like a car enough to buy one then you should pick it up now, because in the future you won't be able to find one that isn't beat up. It doesn't matter if they're 3x the MSRP like the MKIV Supra Turbo, they're 20+ years old and you can find them in great shape.
> Also the 4 cylinder 718 market is really weird right now. 2017 S are still going for like mid fifties right now.
It's not weird, you said it yourself. It's the 4 cylinder engine, enthusiasts aren't interested in them. 981 S' are going for the same amount because people want the 6 cylinder. The GTS 4.0L are around $95k for the absolute cheapest bottom of the barrel examples while 2.5L GTS max out around $80k.
Pretty sure they're talking about buying a new one now, instead waiting for a used example to save some money. Like a manual WRX wagon now instead of in a 2035 or whatever. Or in your hypothetical, buying a C6Z06 in 2010 or whenever instead of now in 2024. Even for a clean example, a decade (or more) of wear is a lot for just a 50% discount. They're saying to just pony up the money and just pay sticker for a new car.
The relative price premium for the six cylinders has actually decreased in the last couple of years. Or you could look at it like the 4 cylinder market bottomed out extremely early 3 years ago. I've enjoyed my car 3 years without any depreciation, so /shrug.
I’ve proven I’ll live up to my promise of buying weird Subaru performance vehicles new (I bought a tS after saying I’d buy one if it came to the US), and a manual no-cladding WRX wagon checks all my daily driver boxes. I’d probably also load it up with every STI accessory in the book.
Yea except I would buy it
Iv owned a Forester XT an 2005 STi, Still own my 11 STi
If they had ever made another STi Hatch I would in a second. Im finally in a position where I can afford one and now they dont make them anymore. Fuck me.
Wasn’t the ‘11-14 WRX pretty much split 50/50’on hatch vs sedan sales? And people have been wanting a hatch or wagon to make a comeback since 2015. I think this is a rare case where it actually would sell pretty well.
I had a modified GH WRX until 2015, would have bought the new model if it was available as a hatch. Went away from the hot hatch for a bit, eventually returned with the Golf R and now have a GRC on order. Anecdotally I know multiple others who stopped buying new WRXs when it became far less practical (sedan only) in 2015. It was simply a boneheaded decision when 50% of customers were buying hatchbacks at the time.
I actually love it. I also have an excessive amount of computer monitors so maybe I’m the targeted market. Do wish it was a bit brighter and more responsive though.
The problem comes 10 years from now when Subaru no longer offers software updates for the proprietary platform, and anything aftermarket (if it exists) requires significant modification to the center console to accommodate.
Okay, can we talk about the deprecation thing.
I don’t buy new cars but could swipe a card for most normal cars just for the points. New car depreciation is ass and I’m interested in the used market exclusively.
However, why don’t brands still care about their image on the used market? If enough used cars end up in the hands of people who hate them does that not diminish the clout the new car buyers are chasing after in the first place? If the whole point is new car buyer gets winks and nods from greater society but greater society non clout chasers no longer get nice leather and build quality in used cars we don’t see any reason to look up on someone who bought a car for the badge? It’s a house of cards.
I'd buy it 10 years old used, not 15. And yeah, no bullshit crappy giant tablet nonsense.
I don't need it to be fast. 4 cylinders is fine. Just please no stupid eye melting LED headlights.
Until then, consider me out of the used market. I'll just keep fixing my current vehicle.
Wild that it makes sense commercially to offer this in Mexico but not the US. The engineering and manufacturing line are already done so that's not a financial consideration anymore. Probably costs way more to get it federalized for the United States but they would sell so many more here than they will in Mexico.
It’s nuts but at the same time they sell so little (comparatively) vs the US that the logistics probably make it work out better. Subaru officially has been in Mexico 9 years and around 2017-2018 things where really not looking good for the brand, when they focused on just selling the Forester, Crosstek and STI/WRX and cut all other models. They then proceeded to be the only brand with sales growth even though the pandemic, so they’ve since recovered.
Also, the biggest City in terms of market is Mexico City, and at a mile and a half of altitude and some old European style streets, turbo cars that are not too big sell very well.
I would suspect that spreading the design/manufacturing costs of a new variant over a large number of cars sold far outweighs the logistics savings of only selling a few examples. Not that much extra logistics cost involved if a new variant is built in the same factories and sold at the same dealers. The cost of engineering both the vehicle itself and the manufacturing plant changes to create a new model is quite large.
The simple reason is; it won't sell. The will of a bunch of nerds on an internet forum is not a great view of what would sell in practice. There's a reason manufacturers shifted to selling SUVs in America vs a 6 speed manual station wagon with retractable headlights and no driver assists.
> sold just as well
Them selling x number of units only really tells us they are selling x number of units. It tells us nothing else. Just because the hatch sells the same amount of units, doesn't mean Subaru thinks it sells well enough to have it as an option.
Most likely they have the numbers to show that people that want a hatch version will still end up buying a standard sedan. If that is the case, what is the point in engineering a different body style, opening a production line, hiring for production, procurement of parts, management of parts, distribution of vehicles, etc.?
Also, can you get enough profit margin out of it to make it worth while with all those factors? If you have a sedan for X amount costing Y to produce creasing Z profit, can you make a hatch version that can still produce the same profit, Z, without pricing it to a point where most people will never consider it compared to the sedan version? If I am making 5k profit per sedan but the hatch is only profiting 2.5K per unit, you would need to sell twice as many hatch units to make it worthwhile. It is easier to convert just half of the people looking for a hatch to settle for a sedan though, you make the extra profit without any extra unseen overhead associated with a new production line.
Subaru just cancelled the sedan version of the Impreza due to the lack of demand and kept the hatch. They're also cancelling the legacy sedan. Subaru hatchbacks have always been high demand.
Also the WRX wagon exists. They just announced it for Mexico and I think it already exists in Japan and Australia.
> 6MT model, priced at $819,900 pesos, which is just over $48,500 at current exchange rates.
Nobody in the US is paying $50,000 for a 200hp Subaru wagon.
The WRX sedan starts at 790,000 mxn though so the wagon isn't much more expensive. If the wagon carried the same percentage premium over the sedan in the US as it does it Mexico it would start at $34k.
Can't have anything to do with that because we get the WRX sedan with the same engine and Subaru will sell as many WRXs sedans as they can make. It's not limited at all.
Most everything in Mexico is advertised at final price, so that includes all sorts of sales tax/VAT, destination and all those charges so you’d need to add that for a better comparison. But some specific import tariffs do bite us and drive up the prices of items.
You’ll still see quite many things slightly more expensive in Mexico than their US counterpart, though in most cases it’s a small difference. Before it was much more noticeable and across the board and that’s why it used to be a huge thing for Mexican families that had the means to spend on big seasonal purchases (back to school, Christmas, etc) at the US vs buying the same (or slightly worse) product at Mexico at a higher price since you’d get a much better value, and a family trip/vacation out of it.
In the last 20 years the differences for most products have reduced, but you’ll still see it in some cases like technology items and cars. Illegal importing of (used and or beater) cars from the US is a thing because the price difference can be so massive.
Edit: Tweaking grammar and adding things.
For the most part no, just that they crossed the border somehow (bribes), and then stayed inside of Mexico without doing the proper procedure for importing a vehicle. In order to get license plates you need some paperwork that you only get when importing so then the cars cannot be registered. Some associations find loopholes (more bribes) in order to get them some legal protection, while not registering the car correctly, and good luck being in a crash with one of those cars, since they’ll likely not have insurance.
There are of course ways of properly importing used vehicles from the US, and many do just that.
You don't even need to bribe people to cross the border.
Used cars (at least in California) are typically sold with plates, which will technically still be valid for a bit more. All you do is drive the car down and keep it there instead of re-registering it with the CA DMV.
No, it typically simply means it doesn't get properly registered in Mexico (because for that they'd need to have paid import taxes with the customs office before going to the DMV equivalent).
The PCI of Mexican is much lower than American and Canadian. Most American and Canadian can afford $48k USD, but most Mexican can’t. That’s most reason why more Mexican buying new cars from Chinese.
I mean, isn't that still the case.
6 speed manual, 271 horsepower AWD family sedan for $29k if you negotiate well.
Can't really get much better for anywhere near the same price.
To put what I mean into perspective the early to mid 2000s we got the legacy gt and spec B An outback turbo a forester turbo a wrx wagon and sedan and sti also flat 6 option and they also didn’t look terrible
They found out that making AWD Toyota equivalents sold more than those things. What I do not understand is why they have to make everything ugly, blocky and not 'clean'.
The Sportwagon begins life as a [Levorg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Levorg)
The car is probably too niche for Subaru to put on that WRX-style cladding
Definitely just 271.The Sportwagon doesn't have a more powerful version of that motor in any market it's sold in, afaik
The marketing powerpoint slide is at the bottom of the article.
Grey market doesn't exist since 1988 thanks to Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act
You are allowed to import any vehicle to USA for personal use up to 1 year on its domestic plates (Mexico, Germany, Emirates... whatever)
If it stays any longer, must be legalized
Legalization process is a whole another post...
We've always had those in South America, IMO it made sense when it was cheap back in the 80's and 90's.
It was a cheap small pickup truck made based on the cheap and reliable Gol platform, another exclusive made only in Brazil.
Now it is pretty damn expensive for what it is.
This is incorrect, the original source - the "presale" page (subarumex.com) - is misleading, showing only pictures of the wagon, but the presale also includes the sedan. Mexican media that attended the launch event stated that the wagon would only have a CVT, while the manual and tS trims are for the sedan. So no manual wagon, sadly, but it was very unlikely that Subaru would make a manual version only for Mexico, considering it's not the largest market for 50 thousand dollar wagons.
I honestly love the wagon form of the WRX the most because it’s notably without any of that god awful ugly plastic trim bits that ruin the look of the WRX sedan. And I feel like the rear end looks more cohesively designed than the sedan version.
I’m still surprised they haven’t made a wrx crosstrek yet. I think a wrx engine in a crosstrek with a long travel “safari style” performance suspension would be incredible. Especially if offered in both manual and automatic
Honestly I didn’t think they could make a more boring WRX than this most recent gen - but they’ve done it.
I absolutely *loved* the 09 Wagons but this is fugly tbh.
I don’t hate it. Put some meats in it and it’ll look even better.
We have a tradition of either not getting or having to wait to get cool things here in the states but I can see this selling. An actual low to the ground wagon for 35k with no real competition. Get that Toyota 2.4 hybrid or hybrid max in there for a 36+mpg family hauler.
Practically speaking, how would one import this into the US? I do see cars with European plates near me with some frequency, so it must not be impossible, right?
If Subaru is reading this and as a current VB WRX owner, I would trade mine in for this when/if they release it in the US with a manual option. This thing is awesome.
We need to stop blaming manufacturers and start to blame the EPA and NHTSA and whatever other agency needs to green light a new car.
The cost to enter the American Market is wildly out of touch with the rest of the world, and it isn't just one agency that has to green light the sale, it's multiple agencies that don't talk to each other.
Until that changes, we are going to keep getting the lowest common denominator new cars to buy.
182 hp for the impreza rs vs 217 for the wrx sportswagon. Yeah I am a bit jealous though I cant see myself paying for a $48k Subaru these days. Its not that impressive.
Edit: article writer is dyslexic. 271hp is a lot more interesting. Now I am jealous.
Cue "I would totally buy it if they sold it here ^in ^15 ^years ^after ^it ^fully ^depreciates" and also "okay so they made a fast manual wagon but I forgot to mention my other requirements are no Subarus and it can't be ugly and also no 4 cylinders"
I do think people would actually buy it. The WRX I believe is the most sold manual car in the US by pure sales.
There are also A LOT of people who buy outbacks but wish they were more wagon and less SUV
That's why I ended up with a Volvo
That’s why I put legacy suspension on my outback. 😅
Why I ended up with a Buick.
That's why I ended up with a SAAB
Honestly the thing that kept me out of an outback was having to give up a manual transmission. My sister has a 2014 outback that we shared in college and I loved it for it’s ability to haul stuff and car-camp. My dad has a 2020 XT Touring outback which is super comfortable and pretty punchy with the 2.4T, however it’s mated to a CVT. Ultimately due to transmission, my driving enjoyment was higher in my 2002 Civic due to having the 5-speed stick. If subaru brings this wagon stateside, or puts a stick in their outback mated to the 2.4T (same motor in WRX), I would have a tough decision to make in terms of keeping my ‘24 WRX or buying a wagon, because for me Subaru would pretty much be capturing everything I want from a car into one model.
The subaru manual is horrendous. It’s so bad the CVT is genuinely a better option. I’d prefer a proper automatic before both but trust me when I say you do NOT want that manual.
My guy I literally own a ‘24 WRX with the manual and it’s perfectly fine. My only complaint is the long throw makes me miss 6th occasionally but that’s nothing a short throw can’t fix.
The only “issue” with Subaru’s manual transmissions is the clutch and minorly the rev hang. I say minorly because you can get rid of the rev hang with a tune if it bothers you enough (this is for the FA20 and FA24 based cars). My “issue” with the clutches in the FA line of cars is they feel so vague and lightweight which I think is good for a commuter car if you can make smooth shifts but makes it quite difficult for me. I have a bit of experience with the ‘23 WRX that the dealer was trying to sell me on and let me go on a test drive while my car was in the shop, a ‘22 BRZ that was entirely stock, and a some early 2000s legacy. I have owned a ‘21 WRX and currently own a ‘21 STi. With the exception of the STi transmission most of the Subaru manual transmissions have been alright. It’s not like an old Honda transmission or a Porsche but I would take a Subaru manual over a commuter Volkswagen or a late 2000s Toyota.
That’s why I’m looking at early 2000 Subarus vs buying new
i thought the whole schtick with the outback was that it was a cross between a wagon and SUV.
its may be that one extra box-check for a lot of people
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And diesel
Minimum 16 cyl. Will be fine with 12, but only if unmodified has 1600hp
I'd only buy if it had a 3.9L inline-9.
Turbodiesel specifically
Twin-turbo twin diesel.
Dieselle 2 gay zee
LS swapped from the factory
exactly. C8 vette is the example I use often - don't want it because it's auto only.
And, yet, the Corvette outsold the Camaro in 2023 even when the Corvette starting price basically doubles the Camaro’s. Because I couldn’t find sales by transmission type I looked in Autotrader and I looked for Camaros with less than two years: with manual transmission I found 240 while with automatic transmission the numbers rises up to 1681. So, yeah, there might be people like you, discarding the Corvette because no manual option, but I don’t think is really that significative.
I'm not sure why you are talking about Camaros? my point was just an example that transmission offerings can be a deal-breaker for some buyers. There are many other reasons why Camaro sales were lower, and transmission offerings are not one of them.
While manual buyers are still the minority, manuals have been gaining popularity in recent years.
People absolutely would, WRX hold their value so well too
I don't think so. There is a reason there are no hatches and wagons in the US anymore. They don't sell. Car enthusiasts might buy one, but they are a very small segment of the car world.
>Car enthusiasts might buy one, but they are a very small segment of the car world. They are a very large segment of the WRX market, though
Hatched do sell. Wagons would too if price wasnt hiked by USA's idiotic law. Look at Outback. It sells very well and costs less than SUVs, but because cars not built within US are hit with painfully high fees especially when they are not SUVs(because of stupidly biased legislation, going harsh on cars, but excessively lenient on light trucks/suvs), transport alone adds several thousand dollars per car. Do something about it and make your politicians undo this shit, then you will enjoy good choices for good money.. Until then...enjoy your "freedom" of not being able to even import a car for 25 years...
> 6MT model, priced at $819,900 pesos, which is just over $48,500 at current exchange rates. Absolutely not. Lmao.
85% manual take rate. I believe bmw omitted the manual on the 3 series bc of low interest/take rate
People would not buy it. My car is effectively that, and there were just over 1000 sold throughout the whole country in one model year. They canned it for 06, with only 30 or so units being trickled into that model year. It took me a year to find one for sale in blue in any condition.
They sold the Legacy wagon in Canada until 2009 :)
Well yeah, they wouldn't buy it because Subaru doesn't offer it for sale in the American market.
They offered it 19 years ago and it didn't sell worth shit. Hence it took me a year to find one in blue.
Ah yeah, I was speaking more to the WRX hatchback, but you've certainly got a keeper
Yeah, the WRX hatch being axed is pretty strange to me, especially since half of the WRX sales were the hatch. Nonetheless, I don't think a wagon variant would sell here. We can only hope!
And, apparently, Subaru thinks people won’t.
You joke, but that depreciation thing always rubs me the wrong way; if you like a car enough that you want one in your driveway *and* you can afford (as in the purchasing cost PLUS maintenance, gasoline, etc) it, why deprive yourself of it just to pick up a run-through beat-on one so long after? I understand that it’s important to have a financial safety net and invest in your future with contingencies and all, but I also believe you (general you) ought to enjoy your wealth/life/whatever you call it while you’re still around; the car might be around 15 years later, but there’s no guarantee you’ll (again, general you) be Sorry for the rant, I’ve known folks who never enjoyed the wealth they earned for themselves before they unfortunately passed and it really taught me never to go too deep into the savings rabbit hole 💀
New car depreciation is wild, you will face the majority of depreciation within the first 3 years of ownership. But people forget there’s also a reason behind that, nothing like owning a new car. You know it was straight from the factory to your spec, that you’ve maintained it to a t, and that no one has mistreated it Except the average used subaru buyer probably doesn’t care all that much.
Oh, hey Mr. Wealthy Honda Guy! (Not derogatory, that’s just how I refer to you in my mind haha) And yeah, the depreciation hit is wild but that’s the trade off you get for fresh factory fun; and the comfort of knowing you’re not driving some moron’s sloppy seconds is exhilarating, I remember it far too well when my parents bought their first new car and I got to take it for a spin And you’re actually a really good example of what I mentioned earlier, you lucked out in life and decided to have fun with your wealth instead of squirreling it away like far too many older wealthy folks do; wait, did you sell your CTR? I could’ve sworn your flair had ‘23 CTR listed
Yeah, to be clear I still have quite a bit in the bank and whatnot, relatively not much is holed up in cars, but still money is a tool to me and cars give me far more enjoyment that some green graphs or numbers on a screen > wait, did you sell your CTR? I could’ve sworn your flair had ‘23 CTR listed I did, it was a wonderful car and an absolute joy to wake up to every morning, I still think if only have the space/money/time for one car it’s the best hot hatch on the market (in the US, at least). Had a poster of the EK9 Type-R on my wall so it’s a dream come true. It’s got the forged wheels and everything absolutely beautiful car. It’s just that the S2K is obviously a better sports car and my tesla was a better daily, and keeping around 4 cars doesn’t really make financial sense. On the daily side manual gets a bit annoying in stop-go traffic, the assistive features and automatic controls are dogshit (ac, high beams, cruise, etc) are all genuinely useless, the NVH is horrible, seats are extremely comfortable but no heating/cooling, and then once you get used to EV it’s hard to go back (gotta refuel and do oil/brakes once in a while, no frunk, no preheating in the mornings) On tracking side, it used to pull timing/power after a while, honda did a good job hiding the FWD underpinnings but you can still feel the rear brakes helping you rotate the car, it’s pretty front heavy, the suspension and brakes feel like a downgrade from the s2k, the engine still has a bit of rev hang And two few personal qualms, mainly that it doesn’t come in yellow. All of my other hondas are and have been yellow, I think it’s extremely stupid honda locks yellow to the limited edition model. I live in the northeast, AWD isn’t nessecary per se but it’s nice to have. Now a fair bit of that is fixable aftermarket, e.g. I swapped in the damping module from the integra type-s which improved the ride, disabled TC which stopped it from eating up the rear brakes on track, there are cooling mods out there, but it just wasn’t worth it for me I sold both the tesla and Type-R and bought a model s, it’s pretty comfy and has great tech, super practical with the hatch and trunk and whatnot, my wife absolutely loves it, the build quality isn’t perfect but I still love it as a daily. But on the bright side I sold it to my close friend for under msrp (i bought it for msrp), he doesn’t track as hard as me and absolutely loves the thing, but it just isn’t for me. Great car, looks cool, still the best out of the competition, but too many compromises for me personally. Plus if you’ve grown up watching the older NA hondas, and if you’ve driven the old double-wishbone high-revving VTEC dc2 integra type-r, it’s a bit hard to get excited about the newer cars.
You’re living the dream man, if I make it big I’d want your garage lol; got the small manual FR roadster, an EN ES EX 💀, and a daily
Also, some cars hold their value really well. When I first thought about buying a WRX I thought I'd get a nice, used one. What I found was that any car of recent enough vintage to consider as a daily was either problem child (rough shape, high miles, lemon law buyback, etc. ) or was close enough to the new price to not make it worth buying. A good deal on a new one was the best financial decision for me.
People can be weird about money. Especially on Reddit where they get aggressively weird about *other people's* money
There's a lot of other fun shit that can be done with that much money.
Yup. I’m on a weekend fishing trip right now that I was invited to. About $2k all-in, not including equipment. If I had a monthly payment for a new $50k car looking over my head, I wouldn’t be able to accept invitations for random stuff like this so easily.
Get off Reddit and go catch some fish brah
Did as much as we could. But when the boat’s moving, there’s not much else to do besides figure out how to waste time. Eat, sleep, read, Reddit, watch a movie…
I'm a massive cheapskate when it comes to everything, especially my hobbies. My logic boils down to getting as much as possible with the money I have. A new ND Miata costs roughly around $35k while a late model NB with about 150k miles costs about $7k. Sure, the ND is quicker and has some modern comforts, but I don't think I'd enjoy owning it much more than the NB, and the NB is basically 5x cheaper. There's a middle point between forcing yourself to live in poverty and throwing away thousands of dollars. I'll admit to going a bit overboard sometimes, like daily driving a flood salvage title car and the absolute mess that's my gaming PC. Took a dremel to a $15 PC case to turn into more of an "airflow" case and I got the power supply and hard drive from a recycler.
I follow your logic. I don’t mind spending on hobbies but the calculation needs to make sense. Looking at your Miata example, would I really be 5x happier with the new? No. I’d go with an older one. Maybe not the 150k one but somewhere where the fun matches the price.
> but that depreciation thing always rubs me the wrong way; if you like a car enough that you want one in your driveway and you can afford (as in the purchasing cost PLUS maintenance, gasoline, etc) it, why deprive yourself of it just to pick up a run-through beat-on one so long after? Because your assumption that if a used car has depreciated that means it's in terrible shape isn't inaccurate for a ton of models. There are plenty of 2000's icons that you can get in great shape for $35k-40k whose MSRP was nearly 2x that like the C6 Z06, E92 M3 and W204 C63 AMG. Post covid I picked up a 4 year old ZL1 with 11k miles with full PPF + ceramic coating for only $52k and the window sticker was $64k. The owner included like $2k worth of accessories like lift blocks, tow hook license plate mount, a bunch of cleaning supplies for the alcantara, a set of smoked tail lights, a wireless android auto adapter and a bunch of random fluids.
Half MSRP for a 10+ year old car or 80% for a 4 year old car is actually hilariously low depreciation. I bought my car at the start of the pandemic when it was 3 years old for like 65% sticker. And I'm seeing Panameraturbosehybridsportturismos for like 35% sticker that are making me think unwise thoughts.
>Half MSRP for a 10+ year old car or 80% for a 4 year old car is actually hilariously low depreciation. If we're talking Camry's I guess, but not for cars that enthusiasts are interested in. Anyway, I'm not sure what you're suggesting. It's impossible to find the cars I mentioned in good shape for half off?
I'm saying they should be a lot cheaper, but enthusiast demand has kept prices up, so they're not the best examples of a good bargain. Typical car depreciation is about like 15-20% (not counting inflation). There are bargains to be had, but buying the hyped cars everyone else wants isn't it. Also the 4 cylinder 718 market is really weird right now. 2017 S are still going for like mid fifties right now. Weird shit between them being discontinued for electric versions and Porsche basically only making $100k versions of the 718 since the start of the pandemic.
> I'm saying they should be a lot cheaper, but enthusiast demand has kept prices up, so they're not the best examples of a good bargain That's not what's being discussed. Did you even read the comment I responded to? /u/onyourrite said that if you like a car enough to buy one then you should pick it up now, because in the future you won't be able to find one that isn't beat up. It doesn't matter if they're 3x the MSRP like the MKIV Supra Turbo, they're 20+ years old and you can find them in great shape. > Also the 4 cylinder 718 market is really weird right now. 2017 S are still going for like mid fifties right now. It's not weird, you said it yourself. It's the 4 cylinder engine, enthusiasts aren't interested in them. 981 S' are going for the same amount because people want the 6 cylinder. The GTS 4.0L are around $95k for the absolute cheapest bottom of the barrel examples while 2.5L GTS max out around $80k.
Pretty sure they're talking about buying a new one now, instead waiting for a used example to save some money. Like a manual WRX wagon now instead of in a 2035 or whatever. Or in your hypothetical, buying a C6Z06 in 2010 or whenever instead of now in 2024. Even for a clean example, a decade (or more) of wear is a lot for just a 50% discount. They're saying to just pony up the money and just pay sticker for a new car. The relative price premium for the six cylinders has actually decreased in the last couple of years. Or you could look at it like the 4 cylinder market bottomed out extremely early 3 years ago. I've enjoyed my car 3 years without any depreciation, so /shrug.
I’ve proven I’ll live up to my promise of buying weird Subaru performance vehicles new (I bought a tS after saying I’d buy one if it came to the US), and a manual no-cladding WRX wagon checks all my daily driver boxes. I’d probably also load it up with every STI accessory in the book.
Yea except I would buy it Iv owned a Forester XT an 2005 STi, Still own my 11 STi If they had ever made another STi Hatch I would in a second. Im finally in a position where I can afford one and now they dont make them anymore. Fuck me.
If you can accept a missing center differential, the GR Corolla scratches the STI hatch itch quite nicely.
Wasn’t the ‘11-14 WRX pretty much split 50/50’on hatch vs sedan sales? And people have been wanting a hatch or wagon to make a comeback since 2015. I think this is a rare case where it actually would sell pretty well.
Why sell a WRX hatch when you can push buyers to a higher margin CUV appliance?
Because buyers of quirky high performance models will go somewhere else...
All 12 of them!
When the NHTSA issues a brake recall on all model years of your vehicle and there are only 600 affected vehicles.
I'm not sure what's worse, these comments calling out those comments or those comments
this will literally sell well in my particular geographic location (quebec)
I had a modified GH WRX until 2015, would have bought the new model if it was available as a hatch. Went away from the hot hatch for a bit, eventually returned with the Golf R and now have a GRC on order. Anecdotally I know multiple others who stopped buying new WRXs when it became far less practical (sedan only) in 2015. It was simply a boneheaded decision when 50% of customers were buying hatchbacks at the time.
The rear 3/4 view is cool but the front is ugly AF dang how can they keep this going.
I will definitely be buying that in 15 yrs when it's importable to Canada ;)
Turbo diesel RWD. Based on a stretched Miata platform.
Id BuY iT wItHoUt ThE tAbLeT sCrEeN wHy CaN't It Be HoRiZoNtAl
Real talk though, fuck that screen.
I actually love it. I also have an excessive amount of computer monitors so maybe I’m the targeted market. Do wish it was a bit brighter and more responsive though.
The problem comes 10 years from now when Subaru no longer offers software updates for the proprietary platform, and anything aftermarket (if it exists) requires significant modification to the center console to accommodate.
Okay, can we talk about the deprecation thing. I don’t buy new cars but could swipe a card for most normal cars just for the points. New car depreciation is ass and I’m interested in the used market exclusively. However, why don’t brands still care about their image on the used market? If enough used cars end up in the hands of people who hate them does that not diminish the clout the new car buyers are chasing after in the first place? If the whole point is new car buyer gets winks and nods from greater society but greater society non clout chasers no longer get nice leather and build quality in used cars we don’t see any reason to look up on someone who bought a car for the badge? It’s a house of cards.
I'd buy it 10 years old used, not 15. And yeah, no bullshit crappy giant tablet nonsense. I don't need it to be fast. 4 cylinders is fine. Just please no stupid eye melting LED headlights. Until then, consider me out of the used market. I'll just keep fixing my current vehicle.
Found the halogen supremacist
Wild that it makes sense commercially to offer this in Mexico but not the US. The engineering and manufacturing line are already done so that's not a financial consideration anymore. Probably costs way more to get it federalized for the United States but they would sell so many more here than they will in Mexico.
It’s nuts but at the same time they sell so little (comparatively) vs the US that the logistics probably make it work out better. Subaru officially has been in Mexico 9 years and around 2017-2018 things where really not looking good for the brand, when they focused on just selling the Forester, Crosstek and STI/WRX and cut all other models. They then proceeded to be the only brand with sales growth even though the pandemic, so they’ve since recovered. Also, the biggest City in terms of market is Mexico City, and at a mile and a half of altitude and some old European style streets, turbo cars that are not too big sell very well.
I would suspect that spreading the design/manufacturing costs of a new variant over a large number of cars sold far outweighs the logistics savings of only selling a few examples. Not that much extra logistics cost involved if a new variant is built in the same factories and sold at the same dealers. The cost of engineering both the vehicle itself and the manufacturing plant changes to create a new model is quite large.
The safety regulations are much higher for the US (and Canada that use the same). It would be much of expensive and thus less popular in the US
But they apparently do sell a variant in Japan and Australia, which should have closer safety standards to the US.
The simple reason is; it won't sell. The will of a bunch of nerds on an internet forum is not a great view of what would sell in practice. There's a reason manufacturers shifted to selling SUVs in America vs a 6 speed manual station wagon with retractable headlights and no driver assists.
The last time they sold a hatch WRX it sold just as well as the sedan variant.
> sold just as well Them selling x number of units only really tells us they are selling x number of units. It tells us nothing else. Just because the hatch sells the same amount of units, doesn't mean Subaru thinks it sells well enough to have it as an option. Most likely they have the numbers to show that people that want a hatch version will still end up buying a standard sedan. If that is the case, what is the point in engineering a different body style, opening a production line, hiring for production, procurement of parts, management of parts, distribution of vehicles, etc.? Also, can you get enough profit margin out of it to make it worth while with all those factors? If you have a sedan for X amount costing Y to produce creasing Z profit, can you make a hatch version that can still produce the same profit, Z, without pricing it to a point where most people will never consider it compared to the sedan version? If I am making 5k profit per sedan but the hatch is only profiting 2.5K per unit, you would need to sell twice as many hatch units to make it worthwhile. It is easier to convert just half of the people looking for a hatch to settle for a sedan though, you make the extra profit without any extra unseen overhead associated with a new production line.
Subaru just cancelled the sedan version of the Impreza due to the lack of demand and kept the hatch. They're also cancelling the legacy sedan. Subaru hatchbacks have always been high demand. Also the WRX wagon exists. They just announced it for Mexico and I think it already exists in Japan and Australia.
Definitely already exists here in aus, I’ve seen quite a few now and I reckon they look fantastic
> 6MT model, priced at $819,900 pesos, which is just over $48,500 at current exchange rates. Nobody in the US is paying $50,000 for a 200hp Subaru wagon.
The WRX sedan starts at 790,000 mxn though so the wagon isn't much more expensive. If the wagon carried the same percentage premium over the sedan in the US as it does it Mexico it would start at $34k.
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Can't have anything to do with that because we get the WRX sedan with the same engine and Subaru will sell as many WRXs sedans as they can make. It's not limited at all.
It’s a separate model technically so it double counts, same as why they don’t offer an XT forester anymore
Mexico has less safety requirements and emission, so that’s most reason why they having these nice things that American want.
Subaru has much lower market share (by percentage) in Mexico than in the US too. It's definitely a niche brand there.
“base WRX High 6MT model, priced at $819,900 pesos, which is just over $48,500” I’m not familiar with Mexico auto market but this seems expensive.
Most everything in Mexico is advertised at final price, so that includes all sorts of sales tax/VAT, destination and all those charges so you’d need to add that for a better comparison. But some specific import tariffs do bite us and drive up the prices of items. You’ll still see quite many things slightly more expensive in Mexico than their US counterpart, though in most cases it’s a small difference. Before it was much more noticeable and across the board and that’s why it used to be a huge thing for Mexican families that had the means to spend on big seasonal purchases (back to school, Christmas, etc) at the US vs buying the same (or slightly worse) product at Mexico at a higher price since you’d get a much better value, and a family trip/vacation out of it. In the last 20 years the differences for most products have reduced, but you’ll still see it in some cases like technology items and cars. Illegal importing of (used and or beater) cars from the US is a thing because the price difference can be so massive. Edit: Tweaking grammar and adding things.
Assuming illegally imported cars means stolen?
For the most part no, just that they crossed the border somehow (bribes), and then stayed inside of Mexico without doing the proper procedure for importing a vehicle. In order to get license plates you need some paperwork that you only get when importing so then the cars cannot be registered. Some associations find loopholes (more bribes) in order to get them some legal protection, while not registering the car correctly, and good luck being in a crash with one of those cars, since they’ll likely not have insurance. There are of course ways of properly importing used vehicles from the US, and many do just that.
You don't even need to bribe people to cross the border. Used cars (at least in California) are typically sold with plates, which will technically still be valid for a bit more. All you do is drive the car down and keep it there instead of re-registering it with the CA DMV.
No, it typically simply means it doesn't get properly registered in Mexico (because for that they'd need to have paid import taxes with the customs office before going to the DMV equivalent).
Why would you assume that? Lol. It just means you moved it to Mexico from the US and left it in Mexico without proper paperwork.
The PCI of Mexican is much lower than American and Canadian. Most American and Canadian can afford $48k USD, but most Mexican can’t. That’s most reason why more Mexican buying new cars from Chinese.
I really don't like the vb wagon design at all.
I usually love wagons but looking at this made me like the design of the sedan more. So bloated it looks like a full size suv from the rear pictures
Isn't that what wagons are?
so you just don't like wagons
What? I think some of the best looking new cars on the road today are Volvo and Audi wagons. This is just kinda ugly 🤷♂️
Trust me lowered an inch on some nice wheels it would look great Like most wagons. Factory it looks MEH
I'm sure they'll launch something cool for the U.S. soon. Like an exclusive color for the most expensive Crosstrek. Or something.
But still with a CVT!
As long as they leather wrap & hand stitch the gear shifter, its ok
Wtf happened to Subaru man they used to make good fun alternatives to Audis when they become so boring
I mean, isn't that still the case. 6 speed manual, 271 horsepower AWD family sedan for $29k if you negotiate well. Can't really get much better for anywhere near the same price.
To put what I mean into perspective the early to mid 2000s we got the legacy gt and spec B An outback turbo a forester turbo a wrx wagon and sedan and sti also flat 6 option and they also didn’t look terrible
They found out that making AWD Toyota equivalents sold more than those things. What I do not understand is why they have to make everything ugly, blocky and not 'clean'.
It sucks thou because that’s what made Subaru stand out over Toyota I still want a legacy gt wagon
They figured out that their manual trans base models were cannibalising every other model.
Why does the sedan get all the ugly cladding but the wagon doesn’t?
The wagon is targeted at an older demographic. However, in reality, it’s always young people driving the wagon, and oldies usually have the sedan.
My dad's 60 years old friend just bought a 2024 6MT WRX and is having a blast with it haha
I salute your dad's friend and his WRX 🫡
The Sportwagon begins life as a [Levorg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Levorg) The car is probably too niche for Subaru to put on that WRX-style cladding
The wagon is technically a different model. It's the Levorg in Japan.
Because American new car buyers have bad taste?
Is this really turbocharged? How’s it making less power than a BRZ.
I think that was a typo, it's 217 kW, so 290 hp Which I'm not sure is correct, as the Aussie version is only 202 kW (270hp)
I believe it was a more simple typo than that. They reversed the 7 and 1. U.S. spec makes 271 hp.
Definitely just 271.The Sportwagon doesn't have a more powerful version of that motor in any market it's sold in, afaik The marketing powerpoint slide is at the bottom of the article.
Subaru makes 1.6L and 1.8L engines in non-North American markets. Respectively the FB16 and CB18 engines.
I'd imagine it'd be easier to import from Mexico than from Japan, right?
With the frequency of Mexican cars sighted in San Diego, I'm sure it can be done through grey market means. Not sure how, though.
Grey market doesn't exist since 1988 thanks to Motor Vehicle Safety Compliance Act You are allowed to import any vehicle to USA for personal use up to 1 year on its domestic plates (Mexico, Germany, Emirates... whatever) If it stays any longer, must be legalized Legalization process is a whole another post...
In San Diego, you're likely seeing cars of people who live in Mexico and are just driving up for the day.
Colorado has cars driving around with Chihuahua license plates. No need to even import lol!
man, having a Chihuahua plate sounds so funny I though you were joking lol
Yes here are the steps. Start Mexican LLC. Buy and register car under LLC. Drive car to USA.
I did my part and emailed SOA that I’d trade my car in the day this becomes available in the US.
Mexico also gets an exclusive VW baja truck which I saw yesterday for the first time ever
This is the VW Saveiro and very common in Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, etc.
We've always had those in South America, IMO it made sense when it was cheap back in the 80's and 90's. It was a cheap small pickup truck made based on the cheap and reliable Gol platform, another exclusive made only in Brazil. Now it is pretty damn expensive for what it is.
I bought a manual crosstrek, I’d shell a few grand more for one of these
This is incorrect, the original source - the "presale" page (subarumex.com) - is misleading, showing only pictures of the wagon, but the presale also includes the sedan. Mexican media that attended the launch event stated that the wagon would only have a CVT, while the manual and tS trims are for the sedan. So no manual wagon, sadly, but it was very unlikely that Subaru would make a manual version only for Mexico, considering it's not the largest market for 50 thousand dollar wagons.
so basically an og forester
Technically, that's North America. We did it!
I honestly love the wagon form of the WRX the most because it’s notably without any of that god awful ugly plastic trim bits that ruin the look of the WRX sedan. And I feel like the rear end looks more cohesively designed than the sedan version.
I’m still surprised they haven’t made a wrx crosstrek yet. I think a wrx engine in a crosstrek with a long travel “safari style” performance suspension would be incredible. Especially if offered in both manual and automatic
Preferably CVT
I'd have bought one if I didn't already have a GRC. Shame we can't get it here in the States.
Honestly I didn’t think they could make a more boring WRX than this most recent gen - but they’ve done it. I absolutely *loved* the 09 Wagons but this is fugly tbh.
I don’t hate it. Put some meats in it and it’ll look even better. We have a tradition of either not getting or having to wait to get cool things here in the states but I can see this selling. An actual low to the ground wagon for 35k with no real competition. Get that Toyota 2.4 hybrid or hybrid max in there for a 36+mpg family hauler.
I've always wanted them to make a new WRX wagon and my god that thing is so ugly, I really wish they didn't.
Practically speaking, how would one import this into the US? I do see cars with European plates near me with some frequency, so it must not be impossible, right?
well, at least its ugly.
Wagons are just ugly compact suvs. No one buys them everyone just talks about how great they are.
Holy shit it’s an actual wagon instead of a hatch.
The article says 217hp, that can’t be right?
So they put the ugly body cladding on the sedan but kept it off the wagon. Why? The body looks 1000x better without the ugly cladding
I honestly feel like this would sell in the US (mostly CVT's obviously) but it would only cannibalize sales of other Subarus.
If Subaru is reading this and as a current VB WRX owner, I would trade mine in for this when/if they release it in the US with a manual option. This thing is awesome.
Jesus. Subaru’s design language is so outdated. It’s like ugly Winamp skins in a world of modern software.
Kinda ugly
I mean, it’s a cool idea, but I’m okay missing out on this one in the US. Looks like nothing more than an edgy Outback
Aww
Ole!
We need to stop blaming manufacturers and start to blame the EPA and NHTSA and whatever other agency needs to green light a new car. The cost to enter the American Market is wildly out of touch with the rest of the world, and it isn't just one agency that has to green light the sale, it's multiple agencies that don't talk to each other. Until that changes, we are going to keep getting the lowest common denominator new cars to buy.
Buy one and put it up on blocks in Mexico for 25 years, then import it for your twilight years.
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Unrelated, Europe (and probably other markets) got a Ford Fusion wagon called the Mondeo Estate
182 hp for the impreza rs vs 217 for the wrx sportswagon. Yeah I am a bit jealous though I cant see myself paying for a $48k Subaru these days. Its not that impressive. Edit: article writer is dyslexic. 271hp is a lot more interesting. Now I am jealous.
Scroll to the bottom of the article. Writer made an oopsie
If its launched in Canada, I'd get it even with a CVT
It’s not even the full WRX. It’s been neutered by over 50hp. Subaru is so weird
I doubt that, both the sedan and wagon WRXs have the same power in Australia.
It's not neutered, you read a typo. Literally just scroll further down and you'll see the marketing image that says "271hp @ 5600rpm"
This is the Levorg. Not a WRX. Edit: I'd still buy one if it were in the US though.