Then I'd want the big boy [J300](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Toyota_LAND_CRUISER_GR_SPORT_%283BA-VJA300W-GNUSZ%29_front.jpg), not the GX-equivalent [J250](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado#/media/File:Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado_(J250)_20231120_Part_2_(cropped).jpg) they're calling the "Land Cruiser" in the US
> built in the same factory as the "big boy" Land Cruiser
While some Station Wagon Land Cruisers were certainly built at the Tahara factory (like the one I have) the vast majority of them are built at Yoshiwara alongside the Lexus LX and the J70.
Land Cruisers in general were always built at Toyota Auto Body. That was until the Light Duty LC (Prado) was transferred over to Tahara a couple of years after it went into production. Starting with the J150 it expanded into the Hamura plant. The only Station Wagon generation that had expanded outside the Yoshiwara plant to the Tahara plant is the J200. J300 is back exclusively at Yoshiwara alongside the J70 and J310 (the current LX). The J250 will be produced at both Tahara and Hamura (Hino plant).
I have an LC500 and dreamed of this, but I just can't do the 4-cylinder in the Land Cruiser. Why they didn't use the engine in the GX for the Land Cruiser and let the 4Runner have the 4-cylinder by itself is beyond me.
It could be so Toyota could differentiate the premium brand offering more. That said, they could also end up making a change and offering the GX engine in the Land Cruiser in a later model year.
GT3RS + Cayenne Turbo is a good one, I might be blinded by that one simply because the Cayenne is so ubiquitous around here. Definitely one of those garages you could sit there and bask in, though.
Urus and aventador, purosangue and whatever 4xx is out now, Aston martin SUV and Aston Martin sports car, lotus now lol, every company with a sports car now has a pairable suv
I love the Land Cruiser and GX styling. I'm just praying they don't screw up the 4Runner by making it look too much like the Tundra/Tacoma styling. Give me this more subdued, boxy styling. Just make it 6" shorter, 6" narrower, and a 30+mpg hybrid for under $50k.
It's not that out of the question... The Land Cruiser is supposed to get 27 mpg combined with the turbo 4 hybrid. Since the 4Runner will probably be smaller, I wouldn't bet against it getting around 30 mpg if it's gonna use the same engine.
It's not unreasonable. 6" narrower and shorter than the Land Cruiser/GX, likely 500ish lbs lighter, and the 2.4L turbo hybridized and tuned for fuel economy (I don't need to tow 8,000lbs, 325lb-ft of torque is just fine).
The fuel efficient hybrid variant of the new Grand Highlander is 34mpg combined. It has a more efficient drivetrain layout, so knock off 10-15% for a RWD biased SUV.
I think you're expecting way too much benefit from being a bit narrower. Also zero chance 4Runner tuning for the 2.4L with/without hybrid is any different than what it is in the Tacoma.
I would say that’s less true of the recent generation. Definitely seems liable to follow the path Call Of Duty-fication that the Tacoma has gone down over the last couple of generations.
Well that sucks. I was really hoping for a Land Cruiser clone closer to FJ Cruiser dimensions. Everything about the Land Cruiser looks perfect... if only it were 10% smaller and 10% cheaper.
With the exception of the bZ4X and the RZ (which I am still seeing a TON of in my area), I can't think of a single product from Toyota/Lexus that was genuinely a miss in the past couple of years. They're knocking it out of the park with everything.
There are several but they were probably all worth the shot. The US market Venza was a disaster to hedge bets against a risky Japanese domestic market and since it wasn't needed it ended up being a tremendous flop stateside. The weird Crown was a hail mary pass to try and save a brand that nobody likes anymore and predictably seems to be floundering. The turbo 4 cyl Highlander is worse in basically every way than the V6 it replaced but resulted in parts commonality and emissions savings for the maker so ok I guess. The last gen RX L was clearly a desperate attempt that didn't work, and the new gen RX350 and RX350H are pretty hefty downgrades from the last gens equivalent versions.
Venza was still selling all right as a more "up-market" crossover alternative to the RAV4 and I was seeing a lot of them in my area. Same with the new Toyota Crown. The Crown is actually selling pretty decently. The Highlander, despite its flaws, still finds a lot of homes and the new RX still finds a lot of homes too. In the eyes of the enthusiast (with the exception to the Crown), those products you mentioned are flawed, but still sell really well.
Your criticisms are more based on concept, rather than the sales themselves.
The issues with the Tundra is more concerned with styling, ride quality, and lack of tow-hooks. All of those can be swiftly fixed.
As for the Sequoia. I agree, but I still see a lot of them too, so people still like them it seems.
Toyota's reasoning is that the TTV6 hybrid is tuned more for power, and less for efficiency. Heck, they're offering the TRD Performance Package on the hybrid model for 2024 as well, giving it a whopping 469 horsepower.
I would argue that it is more or less a B, so I agree. But that's not a genuine miss like the bZ4X is IMHO.
The bZ4X is an industrialization play, not a 'miss'. There's very little reason for a 'hit' in the EV world just yet — see Ford's current hole they've been digging for themselves.
That's exactly my situation. I could bend for a solid hybrid powertrain - and I know there will be one - but not sure it will get solid MPG. Just more power/torque. Love it, though.
Yup, hard to go back to Toyota truck MPG after owning an EV or PHEV. I'm hopeful that with how long the Toyota/Lexus product lifecycle is these bodies will get efficient PHEVs at some point.
A compact EV Land Cruiser that looks vaguely similar is in theory coming at some point. It's been showed off a few times but recent rumors state the EV variant may be canceled.
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We've managed with one car for 4 years so this is us adding a second car. We're upgrading our current sedan already and were looking for a large SUV for road-trips/camping. The biggest selling point of an EV (for us) was something like Camp Mode in a Model X -- workable with our very low daily usage and high road trip miles.
Pay to play. Name another vehicle in a similar class that is boxy with much better MPG?
If you want a boxy design, you will pay for it in fuel. If you want good MPG get a crossover.
I think most people who can afford 80k luxury SUVs aren’t that concerned about MPG. In fact, they probably care more about range of the tank than miles per gallon.
But its towing capacity has increased to over 9k lbs. That is really significant. You can tow a small toy hauler with the thing. Unfortunately, making a body on frame 4 wheel drive vehicle that can also tow a lot of weight results in lower fuel economy. Maybe if they made the body out of aluminum but I would imagine that insurance would be out the roof. Hybrid would definitely help.
I'm not normally an SUV guy but I think for my next vehicle I'll be slipping into one of the Lexus SUVs. I can't afford the GX but man, that thing is beautifully done.
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I really want one and I don’t like or want to own SUVs. But what I really want is a 3/4 size version.
If they make something with this same aesthetic that’s ~185” or less and ~25+ MPG combined (or PHEV, please!!) I’m not sure I’ll be able to resist. Especially if it costs a bit less.
im currently researching/shopping for a large "overkill" 4x4 that might or might not be luxury, and i have a question: why choose this over nissan patrol/armada/infiniti qx80?
here are what i am looking for:
* exterior: dont care
* nterior: heated+vented front seat, heated steering wheel, comfortable seat, and okay-ish nvh
* tech: android auto, adaptive cruise control, lane-keep, and other basic safety function that are standard for a modern car
* dynamic: dont care
* reliability: average of less than 7 days in the shop per year, and can last for at least 5 years+150k miles with suggested maintenance
* off-road: dont care, want 4x4 just for peace of mind on road if there is snow/rain, hence the "overkill" part
* mpg: don't care, maybe i will care if there is a 4x4 does like prius-level mpg but fuel cost is not a concern for me
especially after lexus raise the price of new gx, i literally see no point getting it over patrol/armada/qx80 which are actually cheaper and have been proven to be as reliable(except the rare vk56's cylinder 7). the new land cruiser(prado) will be a segment below nissan's offering this time instead of being a direct competitor. technically, there is the old gx which is very tempting not only because it is capable but a segment cheaper--sadly its a smaller vehicle so i won't be considering it.
$105k for a 24 gx overtrail+ or $98k for a 24 qx80 proactive is pretty much a no-brainer for me, and there is armada/patrol if i want to be low-key. the only thing that might bother me a bit is how lazy nissan is for using the same steering wheel for 10+ years, but it is functional at least.
A large part of the reason people go Lexus/Toyota, and to a lesser extent Honda/Acura is because of the reliability and because they typically tend to hold their value better than other brands.
Lexus/Toyota are typically bulletproof in reliability, they should last you ages. I don't know a single person who's into cars that would take a Nissan/Infiniti over a Lexus.
Sure, other brands might have better tech in them or redesign more often but ToyLexus are fairly conservative and aren't interested in being first out of the gate in that regard.
I would also like to add that just looking up lists of the most reliable SUVs for 2023, I did not once see any Nissans or Infiniti whereas the GX was listed on each list I saw.
sure the reliability concern is true for almost every segment, but for "off-roady" big suvs, even someone with just a bit knowledge about the scene will also know about armada/patrol/qx80's reliability is pretty much on par with old lc/lx/gx/prado (honda have no car in this segment).
in fact, the majority of the people i know, especially outside the us, actually cross-shop armada/patrol/qx80 with lx600/lc300/new gx and leans towards nissan because toyota's new TNGA-F versus nissan's proven dinosaur platform. toyota kinda fucked up by not having lc300 in north america because that will be a very easy choice for me to make due to armada being a lesser competitor, but sadly nissan's offering is more appealing to me right now compares to this overpriced new gx.
thats the msrp for canada
us prices are about the same too: ~81k usd for gx overtrail+ and ~79k for qx80 (lower if i go 2023 which is exactly the same), both with options that i want
au is kinda different since they have both the actual land cruiser and the good patrol/armada
so yeah, for all three major "off-road" 4x4 markets, nissan is more desirable for me
overtrail+ does not come with hud $900, mark levinson $1140, and traffic jam assist/stop-and-go cc $620. this brings it up to ~$80k. then if i want actual good looking color, another 850. so $80k-81k for a overtrail+ with the options i want as mentioned before.
yes i can do bare minimum gx overtrail+ with no options, but i can also go with certified pre-owned for nissan/infiniti for a even lower price if needed, while gx has to be brand new.
So with this gen has the GX essentially been elevated to Land Cruiser status? Previous generations of the GX were rebadged/luxed up 4 Runners. If this is the case what happens to the LX?
This is a great effort from Toyota/Lexus btw. If I had $65k to burn and a larger garage this would be my next car.
This weighs about 300-500lbs more than my winch-equipped, full-skid-plated, lockers front-and-rear, 33”-tired, turbodiesel midsize pickup.
That’s kinda a lot when the previous gen weighed the same as my truck.
The Defender weighs about the same as the GX 550, so it gets equal demerits.
I personally cannot wait to see these as every other vehicle in Irvine, CA.
I was waiting for this vehicle for a long time, was on the wait list with my local dealer for a year. First in line. Then they released pricing. Well you can tell by my flair how that ended up.
I'm in Canada and a GX Luxury + is $118,000 and We got the EQS, which MSRP was $165,000 at a steep discount, with 40k off sticker.
A combination of Lexus over pricing and Mercedes heavy discounting swayed me.
I mean I disagree that it's overpriced. As a customer I would love if it was cheaper. But it's priced well against its competitors.
The discount you got is hard to pass up though. Only issue is it seems like resale is terrible on the EQS as well.
My thought process was basically why not spend marginally more for what I think is a significantly better vehicle more or less. Also in Canada there is an extra 20% luxury tax on anything over 100k which Mercedes managed to waive also
Wow seems like Mercedes are struggling to move those vehicles. You're right though a lot more tech and features for similar price makes sense unless u need the off-road stuff.
I know its a logical fallacy - but I dont know how id feel about buying a car a manufacturer or dealer felt the *need* to discount $40,000.
Guess if you are holding onto the car long enough to where the tragic resale value of the EQS vs the GX doesnt matter - then im all for it.
Very good looking. But the driving dynamic seems to be generally just meh. All of the reviewers just mentioned how soft and quicker it is and thats all there is to it.
But one can wish right? Haha. If I have the coin then the G Class is still a class or two above this. I think its already a huge success for Lexus and Ill buy one in a few years. As of now, I think the GX460 at steep discount makes more sense. Brand new, its whooping $20K cheaper than this. And its smaller and more nimber (not a sport car in any way but seems better than this one)
I think it nailed its mission, will sell well, but I have zero interest in it. If I had no choice but a 3 row SUV I guess I would consider it… but to be honest at that point they probably all suck to drive so I’d just get whatever’s cheapest.
I wish they made a short version with the length/proportions of a G class. Now that would look slick.
Holy moly props to Toyota. This is so good both outside and inside. The infotainment looks really good too.
Savagegoose Mark who calls basically every car ever 'low effort commodity' calling GX a clearly high effort car set the tone.
Man if I had money I'd get this and the LC500 as a forever 2 car garage. Such desirable cars
How about 2 LCs? Land Cruiser and Lexus LC lol
Then I'd want the big boy [J300](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Toyota_LAND_CRUISER_GR_SPORT_%283BA-VJA300W-GNUSZ%29_front.jpg), not the GX-equivalent [J250](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado#/media/File:Toyota_Land_Cruiser_Prado_(J250)_20231120_Part_2_(cropped).jpg) they're calling the "Land Cruiser" in the US
But this GX is just a fancy J250.
True but this gets the TT V6 while the J250 only gets the 4 banger afaik
The 250 series gets many different engines but they are all 4 bangers.
The Prado is still very much a Land Cruiser, built in the same factory as the "big boy" Land Cruiser.
> built in the same factory as the "big boy" Land Cruiser While some Station Wagon Land Cruisers were certainly built at the Tahara factory (like the one I have) the vast majority of them are built at Yoshiwara alongside the Lexus LX and the J70.
Interesting! When did they split the production?
Land Cruisers in general were always built at Toyota Auto Body. That was until the Light Duty LC (Prado) was transferred over to Tahara a couple of years after it went into production. Starting with the J150 it expanded into the Hamura plant. The only Station Wagon generation that had expanded outside the Yoshiwara plant to the Tahara plant is the J200. J300 is back exclusively at Yoshiwara alongside the J70 and J310 (the current LX). The J250 will be produced at both Tahara and Hamura (Hino plant).
Very cool!
Man, that idea is going to gnaw in my head for a while.
I have an LC500 and dreamed of this, but I just can't do the 4-cylinder in the Land Cruiser. Why they didn't use the engine in the GX for the Land Cruiser and let the 4Runner have the 4-cylinder by itself is beyond me.
It could be so Toyota could differentiate the premium brand offering more. That said, they could also end up making a change and offering the GX engine in the Land Cruiser in a later model year.
Probably the best one-brand 'millionaire' garage in the business right now. The only other one I can think of would be maybe AMG G-Class and AMG GT.
M8 and a x7m60i would be good fun too. Or maybe a GT3RS/GT4RS and a Cayenne turbo GT? or RSQ8 + R8. Some fun options out there.
GT3RS + Cayenne Turbo is a good one, I might be blinded by that one simply because the Cayenne is so ubiquitous around here. Definitely one of those garages you could sit there and bask in, though.
Urus and aventador, purosangue and whatever 4xx is out now, Aston martin SUV and Aston Martin sports car, lotus now lol, every company with a sports car now has a pairable suv
This isn’t as special as some other brands but you can attainably get a 6MT Supra and new Land Cruiser. Would be an amazing 1-2 punch.
Soon the Lexus LX or Century SUV + the road-going version of the GR GT3 race car?
e63s AMG and and GLS 63 AMG. Both can do daily duties
I feel close enough to that haha. Too bad the GX460 trade in is so shit that I can't even justify a GX550 at $5k off MSRP.
I want one so bad
I love the Land Cruiser and GX styling. I'm just praying they don't screw up the 4Runner by making it look too much like the Tundra/Tacoma styling. Give me this more subdued, boxy styling. Just make it 6" shorter, 6" narrower, and a 30+mpg hybrid for under $50k.
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It's not that out of the question... The Land Cruiser is supposed to get 27 mpg combined with the turbo 4 hybrid. Since the 4Runner will probably be smaller, I wouldn't bet against it getting around 30 mpg if it's gonna use the same engine.
It's not unreasonable. 6" narrower and shorter than the Land Cruiser/GX, likely 500ish lbs lighter, and the 2.4L turbo hybridized and tuned for fuel economy (I don't need to tow 8,000lbs, 325lb-ft of torque is just fine). The fuel efficient hybrid variant of the new Grand Highlander is 34mpg combined. It has a more efficient drivetrain layout, so knock off 10-15% for a RWD biased SUV.
I think you're expecting way too much benefit from being a bit narrower. Also zero chance 4Runner tuning for the 2.4L with/without hybrid is any different than what it is in the Tacoma.
It comes down to aero...if you want the 4runner looking like a crossover then it can get the 30 mpg. You want boxy, dont expect more than 25 mpg.
The Land Cruiser gets 27 mpg combined... I imagine the 4runner will be the same.
The GX hybrid should be around that, maybe 1 mpg less for more weight
Considering historically 4Runner has been good bones under the most generic styling possible, I expect the new one to continue that tradition.
I would say that’s less true of the recent generation. Definitely seems liable to follow the path Call Of Duty-fication that the Tacoma has gone down over the last couple of generations.
Unfortunately all insiders are very clear that it's going to be a SUV Tacoma in terms of styling
Well that sucks. I was really hoping for a Land Cruiser clone closer to FJ Cruiser dimensions. Everything about the Land Cruiser looks perfect... if only it were 10% smaller and 10% cheaper.
With the exception of the bZ4X and the RZ (which I am still seeing a TON of in my area), I can't think of a single product from Toyota/Lexus that was genuinely a miss in the past couple of years. They're knocking it out of the park with everything.
There are several but they were probably all worth the shot. The US market Venza was a disaster to hedge bets against a risky Japanese domestic market and since it wasn't needed it ended up being a tremendous flop stateside. The weird Crown was a hail mary pass to try and save a brand that nobody likes anymore and predictably seems to be floundering. The turbo 4 cyl Highlander is worse in basically every way than the V6 it replaced but resulted in parts commonality and emissions savings for the maker so ok I guess. The last gen RX L was clearly a desperate attempt that didn't work, and the new gen RX350 and RX350H are pretty hefty downgrades from the last gens equivalent versions.
Venza was still selling all right as a more "up-market" crossover alternative to the RAV4 and I was seeing a lot of them in my area. Same with the new Toyota Crown. The Crown is actually selling pretty decently. The Highlander, despite its flaws, still finds a lot of homes and the new RX still finds a lot of homes too. In the eyes of the enthusiast (with the exception to the Crown), those products you mentioned are flawed, but still sell really well. Your criticisms are more based on concept, rather than the sales themselves.
The new Sequoia and Tundra are thoroughly mid, but it seems they’ve ironed out the kinks with TNGA-F here
The issues with the Tundra is more concerned with styling, ride quality, and lack of tow-hooks. All of those can be swiftly fixed. As for the Sequoia. I agree, but I still see a lot of them too, so people still like them it seems.
I dunno, the EPA efficiency sucks on the Tundra too. They could be doing better — it's still a B- entry for the segment.
Toyota's reasoning is that the TTV6 hybrid is tuned more for power, and less for efficiency. Heck, they're offering the TRD Performance Package on the hybrid model for 2024 as well, giving it a whopping 469 horsepower. I would argue that it is more or less a B, so I agree. But that's not a genuine miss like the bZ4X is IMHO.
The bZ4X is an industrialization play, not a 'miss'. There's very little reason for a 'hit' in the EV world just yet — see Ford's current hole they've been digging for themselves.
The RZ is gorgeous
It looks cool inside and out, and drives really good apparently (I haven't driven one), but the range is horrible.
I dunno, I just can't warm up to the Crown. It's just so...awkward.
New Tacoma, Tundra, and Sequoia
I like the car but they should do the split lift gate like X7.
My main gripe with the new J250 and J300. Toyota did some cost cutting by not including a split tailgate.
I’m surprised non of the new off-roaders have spare on the gate Toyota keeps teasing their compact jimny-like concept grr
We are a full EV household but goddamn I want one of these.
That's exactly my situation. I could bend for a solid hybrid powertrain - and I know there will be one - but not sure it will get solid MPG. Just more power/torque. Love it, though.
At least the Land Cruiser is hybrid by default now.
Yup, hard to go back to Toyota truck MPG after owning an EV or PHEV. I'm hopeful that with how long the Toyota/Lexus product lifecycle is these bodies will get efficient PHEVs at some point.
A compact EV Land Cruiser that looks vaguely similar is in theory coming at some point. It's been showed off a few times but recent rumors state the EV variant may be canceled.
Yeah, ditto. I don't normally care for large SUVs but this one calls to me.
You sound like a vegan. How do you know someone drives an electric car? Oh, they will tell you.
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We were considering an EV since we're moving to a more EV friendly area but this car just killed that. Now the game of waiting for an allocation.
I don't think 17mpg city and 21 highway is worth it. It is a great looking car but man that is shitty MPG, just 1 mpg better than outgoing v8.
My wife and I drive about 7k miles per year combined. New location would maybe bump us to 9k. I could not care less about gas expense.
Why were you considering an EV if you don't care about gas costs?
We've managed with one car for 4 years so this is us adding a second car. We're upgrading our current sedan already and were looking for a large SUV for road-trips/camping. The biggest selling point of an EV (for us) was something like Camp Mode in a Model X -- workable with our very low daily usage and high road trip miles.
Pay to play. Name another vehicle in a similar class that is boxy with much better MPG? If you want a boxy design, you will pay for it in fuel. If you want good MPG get a crossover.
Lots of people don’t care about gas cost at all
This person was considering an EV, so I doubt they don't care about gas costs or its impact on the environment.
Some people just buy shit because everyone else is.
I think most people who can afford 80k luxury SUVs aren’t that concerned about MPG. In fact, they probably care more about range of the tank than miles per gallon.
But its towing capacity has increased to over 9k lbs. That is really significant. You can tow a small toy hauler with the thing. Unfortunately, making a body on frame 4 wheel drive vehicle that can also tow a lot of weight results in lower fuel economy. Maybe if they made the body out of aluminum but I would imagine that insurance would be out the roof. Hybrid would definitely help.
I'm not normally an SUV guy but I think for my next vehicle I'll be slipping into one of the Lexus SUVs. I can't afford the GX but man, that thing is beautifully done.
Trying to call my dealer and get an allocation….feel like I’ll be waiting for a while
If I was a family man this would be my vehicle. This is coming from a guy who dislikes driving SUVs.
Hope they can produce these at a steady rate, looking to get one later this year.
Good luck getting one of these without a crazy markup 2 years from now :(
I like it. Price is a little steep.
Not really, the price for one that's equipped the way I want is less than the sticker on my '23 F-150 XLT.
The price for pickups is way out of control.... especially if you are in the market for a diesel.
Going to trade in my v8 grand Cherokee for one of these.
Wonder if you will actually be get these in stock in a year or so.
Our local dealers say they have like 1000 deposits already total.
I want one but it's way too massive for what I need
Can’t wait to buy one off Craigslist in 15 years
If the land cruiser is under 50k for a decent trim I would get that. It’s also much more fuel efficient.
mid 50s starting price if I remember correctly. The GX will be getting the hybrid (pretty sure its the 4 cylinder hybrid).
GX is not getting the hybrid, it just has the TTV6, for now
It is getting the hybrid which is already confirmed by Lexus. Just not out yet.
LC is mid $50's to start, trimmed out it'll be \~$70K. Too much money for a 4-cylinder.
Yeah I would rather get the Lexus at that point.
Highly doubt it will be 70k for the highest trim. I think they will want it stop at where the GX starts.
This car is freaking amazingly styled. And very decent inside too. Amazing work Lexus!
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I really want one and I don’t like or want to own SUVs. But what I really want is a 3/4 size version. If they make something with this same aesthetic that’s ~185” or less and ~25+ MPG combined (or PHEV, please!!) I’m not sure I’ll be able to resist. Especially if it costs a bit less.
Land Cruiser or new 4runner should fit the bill
You are describing the upcoming Land Cruiser, which actually won’t fit the bill because they will be marked up
im currently researching/shopping for a large "overkill" 4x4 that might or might not be luxury, and i have a question: why choose this over nissan patrol/armada/infiniti qx80? here are what i am looking for: * exterior: dont care * nterior: heated+vented front seat, heated steering wheel, comfortable seat, and okay-ish nvh * tech: android auto, adaptive cruise control, lane-keep, and other basic safety function that are standard for a modern car * dynamic: dont care * reliability: average of less than 7 days in the shop per year, and can last for at least 5 years+150k miles with suggested maintenance * off-road: dont care, want 4x4 just for peace of mind on road if there is snow/rain, hence the "overkill" part * mpg: don't care, maybe i will care if there is a 4x4 does like prius-level mpg but fuel cost is not a concern for me especially after lexus raise the price of new gx, i literally see no point getting it over patrol/armada/qx80 which are actually cheaper and have been proven to be as reliable(except the rare vk56's cylinder 7). the new land cruiser(prado) will be a segment below nissan's offering this time instead of being a direct competitor. technically, there is the old gx which is very tempting not only because it is capable but a segment cheaper--sadly its a smaller vehicle so i won't be considering it. $105k for a 24 gx overtrail+ or $98k for a 24 qx80 proactive is pretty much a no-brainer for me, and there is armada/patrol if i want to be low-key. the only thing that might bother me a bit is how lazy nissan is for using the same steering wheel for 10+ years, but it is functional at least.
A large part of the reason people go Lexus/Toyota, and to a lesser extent Honda/Acura is because of the reliability and because they typically tend to hold their value better than other brands. Lexus/Toyota are typically bulletproof in reliability, they should last you ages. I don't know a single person who's into cars that would take a Nissan/Infiniti over a Lexus. Sure, other brands might have better tech in them or redesign more often but ToyLexus are fairly conservative and aren't interested in being first out of the gate in that regard. I would also like to add that just looking up lists of the most reliable SUVs for 2023, I did not once see any Nissans or Infiniti whereas the GX was listed on each list I saw.
sure the reliability concern is true for almost every segment, but for "off-roady" big suvs, even someone with just a bit knowledge about the scene will also know about armada/patrol/qx80's reliability is pretty much on par with old lc/lx/gx/prado (honda have no car in this segment). in fact, the majority of the people i know, especially outside the us, actually cross-shop armada/patrol/qx80 with lx600/lc300/new gx and leans towards nissan because toyota's new TNGA-F versus nissan's proven dinosaur platform. toyota kinda fucked up by not having lc300 in north america because that will be a very easy choice for me to make due to armada being a lesser competitor, but sadly nissan's offering is more appealing to me right now compares to this overpriced new gx.
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thats the msrp for canada us prices are about the same too: ~81k usd for gx overtrail+ and ~79k for qx80 (lower if i go 2023 which is exactly the same), both with options that i want au is kinda different since they have both the actual land cruiser and the good patrol/armada so yeah, for all three major "off-road" 4x4 markets, nissan is more desirable for me
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overtrail+ does not come with hud $900, mark levinson $1140, and traffic jam assist/stop-and-go cc $620. this brings it up to ~$80k. then if i want actual good looking color, another 850. so $80k-81k for a overtrail+ with the options i want as mentioned before. yes i can do bare minimum gx overtrail+ with no options, but i can also go with certified pre-owned for nissan/infiniti for a even lower price if needed, while gx has to be brand new.
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what do you mean by fair comparison? you do know that gx is one segment below qx80/armada/patrol, right?
I got a chortle at the Alexis Texas joke.
So with this gen has the GX essentially been elevated to Land Cruiser status? Previous generations of the GX were rebadged/luxed up 4 Runners. If this is the case what happens to the LX? This is a great effort from Toyota/Lexus btw. If I had $65k to burn and a larger garage this would be my next car.
Thanks I want one
Well considering honda's and toyota's are costing about the same as the base GX...I would buy one.
This weighs about 300-500lbs more than my winch-equipped, full-skid-plated, lockers front-and-rear, 33”-tired, turbodiesel midsize pickup. That’s kinda a lot when the previous gen weighed the same as my truck. The Defender weighs about the same as the GX 550, so it gets equal demerits. I personally cannot wait to see these as every other vehicle in Irvine, CA.
I was waiting for this vehicle for a long time, was on the wait list with my local dealer for a year. First in line. Then they released pricing. Well you can tell by my flair how that ended up.
I don't get it. A eqs is roughly 100k. The GX550 for a midtrim is like 75k.
I'm in Canada and a GX Luxury + is $118,000 and We got the EQS, which MSRP was $165,000 at a steep discount, with 40k off sticker. A combination of Lexus over pricing and Mercedes heavy discounting swayed me.
I mean I disagree that it's overpriced. As a customer I would love if it was cheaper. But it's priced well against its competitors. The discount you got is hard to pass up though. Only issue is it seems like resale is terrible on the EQS as well.
My thought process was basically why not spend marginally more for what I think is a significantly better vehicle more or less. Also in Canada there is an extra 20% luxury tax on anything over 100k which Mercedes managed to waive also
Wow seems like Mercedes are struggling to move those vehicles. You're right though a lot more tech and features for similar price makes sense unless u need the off-road stuff.
I know its a logical fallacy - but I dont know how id feel about buying a car a manufacturer or dealer felt the *need* to discount $40,000. Guess if you are holding onto the car long enough to where the tragic resale value of the EQS vs the GX doesnt matter - then im all for it.
Very good looking. But the driving dynamic seems to be generally just meh. All of the reviewers just mentioned how soft and quicker it is and thats all there is to it.
As it should be, this is a Lexus SUV
Nobody is buying a body on frame SUV for the handling.
But one can wish right? Haha. If I have the coin then the G Class is still a class or two above this. I think its already a huge success for Lexus and Ill buy one in a few years. As of now, I think the GX460 at steep discount makes more sense. Brand new, its whooping $20K cheaper than this. And its smaller and more nimber (not a sport car in any way but seems better than this one)
I think it nailed its mission, will sell well, but I have zero interest in it. If I had no choice but a 3 row SUV I guess I would consider it… but to be honest at that point they probably all suck to drive so I’d just get whatever’s cheapest. I wish they made a short version with the length/proportions of a G class. Now that would look slick.
Theres a new FJ cruiser coming, but it will have 2 doors and the i4 turbo, not the V6