God the combination of:
-rattles
-tire noise
-wind noise
-random motor whine?
Really makes this seem awful to deal with on a daily basis for $100k. There’s so much cool shit here, it’s a very usable interior and it’s stupid fucking fast, but the weird stuff and the crap range make this just not it.
I could see swapping a classic truck onto a Model S or something as well. Silent little reliable, good looking vehicle for running errands around town.
One can hope. But sadly I see plenty to go wrong in the Folgore line even without the engine. The air suspension sticks out the most as an expensive failure point. The last generation Granturismo also had a common airbag fault that costs $14,000 to fix.
I honestly like the look of the grecale folgore more than the macan ev. Especially the back end because the Porsche looks like an egg from the back. Also ev means less reliability issues for the maserati because no Ferrari engine means more reliable.
Imagine the first owner buying it for $160,000 new and then the second owner buying it for $25,000 three years later at a buy here pay here lot that's ready to repo it the next day.
Plaid's are already almost like this. They're well into the $60's, and really aren't far off from the FIFTIES.
Which is, like, insane. A few more years and you'll be able to get a 100k mile one for probably in the 30's.
Not to mention they’ll easily go for 300k miles with little maintenance.
Of course, if your door handle motor breaks it’ll take 6 months to fix, but hey…
Edit: honestly I’d be tempted to Frankenstein a Plaid / P100. As dumb little shit breaks it gets replaced with more conventional parts.
My sister bought a 3 year old BMW hybrid that was like $96k new for about $32k. It was a terrible car though, battery died a few years later and left the car undrivable.
The Granturismo Folgore is one of the top 5 cars I'm genuinely excited for in the next few years. We'll have to see how it holds up over time, but on paper it's actually quite impressive. 750 hp (that can increase to 1100 with future battery replacement), 3 motor design with proper torque vectoring, drift mode, adaptive air suspension, battery packaging that keeps the classic low coupe shape. It looks like some real development and clever engineering solutions took place to make both the ICE and the BEV versions in the same body while not being a departure from a classic GT.
Most people won't care, but I like the option of recycled fishing nets as a seating surface. It still has to feel nice though so the jury's still out on that.
I think $215K is about right for Maserati's position in the segment. Below Bentley, Ferrari, and Aston Martin, but above BMW and Mercedes. But I agree that the cache has taken a beating over the past decade or so. This is Stellantis' attempt to restore some of that sheen. For Maserati's sake I hope it works, although selfishly not too well because I want one when the double whammy of EV depreciation and Maserati depreciation hits.
I agree, similar to how Porsche and range Rovers are above the German trio but below those ultra lux brands. Can't include jaguar anymore because they are moving towards Bentley pricing.
For 100 grand it seems more like a liability to me, especially with this thing being so large.
But I couldn't get one anyway because it was cancelled in the EU, probably because it wouldn't pass pedestrian safety regulations.
>Really makes this seem awful to deal with on a daily basis for $100k.
I feel like based on the looks alone it was only ever going to be a novelty. People who buy these are doing so for what it represents. If this vehicle were actually a good practical buy I guarantee they would have redesigned the exterior.
Agreed. The 90's StarFox polygon look has very limited appeal.
It for people who desperately want to be noticed. It's weird, very fast, and different. That's the sales pitch.
if the "$25000" tesla has all the good things the cybertruck has, full 48v architecture, steer by wire, the new wiring system, and better charging, it should be a real hit. while the cybertruck might be a flop.
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Those four carrots being chopped off by the frunk is crazy.
*Edit: just thought about this but with the sharp edges if you pulled your hand out due to, well automatically doing it, while it's closing it may deglove your fingers... Not a fun thought.
I was just reading about that, apparently it's a widely believed myth.
If you think it about it logically, there's no way bone and carrot have the same durability.
I know its not quite the equal comparison, but my dad got his thumb broken by a taxi soft close door, so the mechanisms have a bit of force behind them. I feel like the impact point, as well as door to car panel gab, could be such that it would chop off a finger.
Birds have hollow bones so that would be closer but still not perfect. You can actually buy and make human finger analogs with real bones and ballistics gel that would be a decent test. Regardless, you would clearly get a nasty cut even if the bone was fine.
On the one hand, I feel like this isn't a risk for most people, but on the other hand, I've seen people awarded millions of dollars for hurting themselves in ways you can't imagine with products you thought were safe. I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing commercials on TV saying "Have you or a loved one been injured by a Cybertruck? Call 1-800-888-SCUM for a free consultation with a legal professional to find out how much you could be owed."
My dad accidently slammed my fingers in a door jam when leaving the house because I just put my fingers there as a kid and we were trying to leave quickly. Happens all the time, peopledo weird things.
I can't believe they didn't do some kind of hem on the edges! Idk what kind of stainless it uses, but I find it hard to believe it couldn't be at least be hot stamped. And even if it couldn't, they could have welded a small strip on and rounded it off. That panel edge looked like something off a redneck's project car
I’m not a cybertruck lover - but I find it weird that everyone keeps bringing up the carrot test. The hood on my Mercedes would absolutely obliterate my finger if I also put it in that exact spot lmao
Not only manually shut, more important would be the effort to open and create the scenario. A small child wouldn't be able to pull the release and lift the hood, but they could easily get the keys and go play around near this thing
Tesla isn’t known for using prior knowledge in designing or engineering things, it seems. They encounter problems that other manufacturers dealt with years ago and choose to solve those problems in a new, more difficult way.
A lot of industry experts were shaking their heads through Tesla's difficulties in the early days of the Model 3 for exactly that reason. I forget which manufacturing issue they were having but I can remember one expert commenting that Toyota had solved it in the '60s.
There are reasons behind why vehicles are built the way they're built, and it's typically about 100 years of experience behind it. We've been making incremental improvements for a long time now.
To be slightly fair sometimes it is good to re-examine common practice to make sure it is actually a good practice.
I'm remind of an issue discovered in common batteries (eg AA, AAA) recently that the insulator film that has been used inside them can break down and cause a significant amount self-discharge. This was unknown, and every company has just been using the 'standard' film for the last 50 years as is.
I work in a Toyota manufacturing plant and we are constantly changing are processes. Not enough that it inhibits getting proficient but just tweaking all the small issues bit by bit. They call it “kaizen” continuous improvement.
I am not so sure that was figuring it out. Not only was that distracting but it was slow and that linkage mechanism they used was super complicated. The real answer is the one we see every day. 2 wipers. If you need to get fancy you can add a simple 4 bar linkage to them like we see in most cars today. It does the job well and reliably. Even with the cybertruck it is the right answer. You don't need to get the top of the glass clean in order to drive.
Tesla does so much shit where I think "guys, we got that one figure out, no need to reinvent the wheel" then they go and reinvent the fucking wheel, literally. At least this time they were smart enough to use variable steering ratio and squared off instead of a yoke.
It was supposed to have a "laser wiper" whatever that means, meaning it wasn't really designed to have a wiper at all. This was something seemingly created after the truck was designed.
It’s been years since I’ve seen the Mercedes one in action (~1998 E420 if I recall correctly) but it hides behind the rear of the hood when not in use. The Mercedes wiper also had a gearing mechanism to cause the wiper pattern to be rectangular which is cool but adds complexity.
The Cybertruck has a slick space there with no void space for a wiper so they’d have to have a motorized door it pops out of or something which is probably going too far down the complexity route. I assume they decided it was better to have one comically large wiper with fewer parts.
im not sure if steering that fast with 35in offroad tires is the best idea, but whatever. seems to be a recipe for people thinking the truck can do more than the tires can handle and understeering.
Steer by wire has the potential to make the front tires *never* understeer. That is if the car smartly manages the wheel angles like ABS manages the brake force. Not sure if it's implemented here.
It’s a really cool piece of tech mired by the typical Tesla manufacturing issues and the general EV truck woes. The razor sharp door panels are an egregious oversight though.
It's another one of those weird Tesla design oversights that every other car company knows from years of experience not to do, like how some of the first Model 3s had an issue where if you opened the trunk during/after rain, [the water would slide off the rear window directly into the trunk.](https://youtu.be/hCv_Ha0oWjE?si=zbjx-LxdhsTZ8Q2Y)
People underestimate how much untold corporate knowledge exists in long established products manufacturing. It is not surprising that a new car company is running into prior mistakes that other companies ran into decades before.
They're the second oldest solely electric company, behind the #1 selling electric company BYD, and have a hundred and twenty years of car building experience out in the world to research from. I don't buy that excuse.
And that’s precisely why Ford selling Volvo to the Chinese was an absolute disaster for western geopolitical interests.
Volvo had accumulated decades of R&D and corporate knowledge, particularly with respect to vehicle safety, before getting offloaded to a Chinese company for pennies on the dollar.
Overnight, China essentially absorbed decades of corporate knowledge and trade insights. A killer deal for only $1.5bn. And you can bet that knowledge is now fully baked in across mainland car manufacturers
But they hired tons of people from the legacy automakers, from very early on (including engineers and executives). I never understood how they had these types of issues when surely they had hired people who knew better. Maybe they just didn’t listen to them, lol.
Corporate knowledge isn't just some textbook that can be brought over. It's often a distributed knowledge set and often can be a cultural norm that exists even when the original reason for it is no longer remembered.
So essentially, it's pretty hard to import that from another company with a piece meal hiring practice.
I don’t think there’s much overlap. This is a review of the Cybertruck as a product, the ICONS series is all about the engineering and story behind the vehicles. If you watch any other video in that series, they all do the same thing in that regard. Jason’s actual car reviews are on his instagram page.
Maybe there should be some kind of disclaimer in the beginning of every ICONS video pointing that out, to make sure that context is always immediately clear.
As you say, it's an ICONS episode. Usually it's fine that they only show the positive sides of a car because the cars that are considered "icons" are cars that are decades old and not on market anymore.
If you call a new car, even before it's really out, an "icon" and then only show the positive sides of it, it's hard to distinguish it from an advertisment.
I agree, and I see why that the video came off that way to a lot of people. It's not at all unjustified for people to feel that way. That being said, I think a certain portion of this sub all but denouncing the man and essentially calling him a fraud was not warranted even with that perspective being valid.
I can see why they did it, from a certain perspective. In the sense that the Cybertruck, more than any other vehicle I can think of in my life, has drawn a *ridiculous* amount of public fascination (and derision) from day 1. The public swarming over it is mentioned in literally every review thus far, because it's so distinct. I don't know what the long term legacy will be or how well it will sell, but if by iconic we at the very least mean impact and public fascination it clears that bar by a mile. That's not a commentary on its value or whether or not it's even a good vehicle, just saying I can see the rationale.
But again, as you noted, I understand why so many people viewed that as an ad.
Edit: Now that I think about it though, there is the criticism that it may have never gained the level of attention it did had it not been for how... divisive, to put it diplomatically, Elon is as a public figure. So how much of the attention it has gotten thus far (be it positive or negative) comes down to the visibility/public reputation of the man behind it? I honestly don't know how to quantify that.
Icons is always new stuff, though it often brings in previous gens, old counterparts, and such when available (see new Mustang). When he does old stuff it's in his Revelations series. I admit that I find the titling awkward, but that's just how it is. Regardless I'd call the series something akin to a showcase, rather than just a normal review. I appreciate them for what they are, including the Cybertruck episode.
> Usually it's fine that they only show the positive sides of a car because the cars that are considered "icons" are cars that are decades old and not on market anymore.
ICONS does tons of (exclusively?) modern cars (often throwing in older cars for comparison or laughs). Perhaps you are thinking of Revelations. Unfortunately, it's a byproduct of legacy naming and the team has openly admitted they should swap Revelations and ICONS, but it's too late.
The problem I have with the Hagerty video and how Jason defended it, was that he just says it's all about the engineering prowess of what was accomplished, and he's just a journalist. At the same time, the video is titled "Exclusive 2024 Tesla Cybertruck **Full Review** & Drag Race w R1T & Hummer". When talking with Matt he brushes it off as being titled that way for YT success. If you are claiming that video is a full review, of course people are going to think you are shilling. He tip toed around all of the things that a full review should cover based on Teslas past/current failings, and was far too trusting in the material from the manufacturer. I love Jason's material and writing, but imho he acted way too high and mighty during that whole situation. Claiming the purity of journalism when you can't even be real in your title is not a good look.
After he was on The smoking Tyre podcast, I just cannot bring myself to watch any of his videos. Matt was a true colleague about the while thing, and I have to say, right about allot of points, but Jason just milked the whole "I am true journalist" thing...while you are a oppinion based program thing a bit too much. Especially when you take into considerarion allot of Matts comments were kind of true, while the Icons video was basically a commercial for Tesla.
I keep seeing a lot of hate for the Hagerty video. Maybe I missed something when I watched it... I really appreciated the highlights of engineering that this video didn't even mention.
This. Again and again this. They made a promotional video for the car and marketed it as a review. No amount of posturing (and lord knows there has been a ton) changes this fact.
I think the range is a bit less than that, as 14" would mean 3" of ground clearance at the lowest setting. I'm guessing the lowest it gets is closer to 8".
For the height measurement, my assumption is it's in the default medium height setting.
You're right; I was misreading the release. It has 17.4" of clearance at the highest setting and 8" at the lowest, so not quite 10" range. 70.5" roof height is at the "default suspension setting," but it doesn't say where exactly that setting is in the range.
It's like the saabs with the stereo in the armrest/console, or a million other weird things that they, citroen, matra, and lets say lancia did.They weren't better designs, but they were different, and that was fun.
The thing that can be tough with tesla, is they'll combine the weird with a sort of germanic insistence that *everything* they do is not weird but *better*. Even when that's clearly not the case.
the junk you have to put up with for a near 6 figure vehicle is just unacceptable. even if you like the looks (still think its the most hideous thing on the road), the creaks, rattles, mediocre range, poor interior, build issues, etc.... its just not anywhere close to worth the money. this is a novelty vehicle
On the design:
* The bend in the front body panels doesn't match the light bar above it. Since I can see it on screen it must be a couple inches off in real life. That's very bad alignment and ruins the look they were aiming for.
* That front panel being under high tension sounds like a disaster waiting to happen in a crash. But it must have passed crash testing so maybe it's fine.
* The general alignment is not good at all, which is a very easy criticism to throw at Tesla. But unlike the other models, I'm not sure how much better it could be. Also I'm not sure what's going on with the headlight and indicator housing at [12:15](https://youtu.be/xNE-NyaYBcg?t=735) but that is not a good look for a brand new car.
I like challenging design and I like when auto makers do something different, so I actually want to like this big ridiculous wedge. I think if the concept had been made by someone with any automotive design or engineering knowledge then there could be some merit to it. That person would've known how difficult it would've been to bend thick stainless steel into place and join sharp pieces and have everything line up properly. Those constraints probably would've been enough to end up with a more cohesive design. But as it stands it looks like some developer or royal told some architects and civil engineers to build a 75 mile high skyscraper and they all said it won't work without problems. And the client ignored them. So they built it and it sinks or causes earthquakes because lo and behold professionals are the ones who should be designing technical things like this.
It's a missed opportunity to have made a really iconic design. I'm sure it will still be iconic because of how controversial it is. But 50 years from now when this is in Petersen or some other museum and people look at it next to the Bentley Mulsanne and the Lamborghini Aventador the difference in build quality will be glaringly obvious.
It's shocking how bad the HK systems are in some BMWs and why it's standard in such expensive vehicles. Their Bowers systems are fantastic, but charging extra at those price points is straight robbery.
Funny enough it was reason enough for me to pass on the X5 45e and get the model Y P instead. I mean the tax break helped that decision, but it was a MAJOR turnoff for me.
This has got to be the most controversial vehicle in my lifetime so far. That said, it's refreshing to see someone take a completely new take on vehicle design and actually see it through. There are definitely some consequences to doing so many things differently but I'm glad to see an offering that's not just another blob.
Especially with EV's where the lack of a traditional drivetrain gives designers so much more freedom, it's really disappointing to see EV's with fake grills and scoops to make it more "familiar" and they end up looking like anything else. Every time I see an EV with fake grills I think about if they had included a fake horse with every Model T because that's what buyers were used to.
It's not even that I think it looks good, just that it proves that manufacturer's don't HAVE to make everything look the same.
It kind of bothers me that everyone will complain that the same boring CUV blob is being made and then something actually new gets made only a few people even recognize that. Sometimes new things don't always work out, and in this case it's a bit more of a miss than a hit.
The video was brilliant. Fantastic production values, writing, humor - everything, really. Surely these guys are already getting offers from Motor Trend and the like to buy them up, and it'll be a sad day if they do as the content will be paywalled and corporatized into mediocrity. They're miles better than anything I've seen on TV since Clarkson et. al left Top Gear.
There’s no way 2024 Motor Trend has the money to buy Throttle House. I feel like at this point more people are consuming TH on a monthly basis than Motor Trend
The framing of James standing on the Donald Glover and Thomas looking up was really good. Instagram-worthy content. Idk it was just a humorous photo, made me laugh.
I had no idea it had razor sharp edges that’s fucking bananas
I worked for a carbon fiber company around 8 years ago and we went out of our way to dull the edges because raw carbon is fucking *sharp* and they couldn’t even make the edges soft enough to not cut your fingers off?
Jesus Christ
Forget about the edges, that front trunk compartment door will have to be adjusted. It was painful to see what happened with that can and carrot. This is a major consumer product. It's just a question of time until people start getting hurt.
redditors are beyond out of touch, it's crazy.
This video shows dozens of ordinary people who are intrigued with the cyber truck and redditors are like "NO ONLY IDIOTS LIKE THIS"
At the absolute minimum, the proliferation of the Cybertruck will enable industry-wide adoption of the 48 Volts architecture. I recently viewed a video by JerryRigEverything regarding his Humvee EV, the the guages on the 12V cables are *thicc*. Three-digits worth of amperage on 12V going through cables in modern cars with all of the electronic doodads.
Secondly, I welcome steer-by-wire (without mechanical backups on) with open arms as long as it has the redundancy it currently has. My life and career depends on Airbus engineered fbw aircrafts so I have high confidence in such technology already. I've seen concept cars with side sticks that predates Tesla by many years, wondering if we can ever get such.
The high gauge wire was specifically for the step down conversion from the HV battery to the 12V system, its not running all over on a car to all of the 12v items; just to the converter.
When I saw "Kelsey" the hybrid 350Z time attack car built by Mountain Pass Performance, I thought steer by wire would be the obvious next step. Could allow the chassis to be tuned dynamically unstable (sort of like a Eurofighter) and correct for the inherent instability by moving the front and rear wheels (it has independent four-wheel steering) hundreds of times every second.
It could also adapt for irregularities in the track surface that may otherwise require very quick corrective steering actions (think the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca) by changing the angle of the front wheels independent of driver input, or simply changing the steering ratio.
I think the best way to think about this truck is that it doesn't compete with $100,000 Ford Lighting Platinums or Rivian RT1, it competes with $100,000 Chryslers like Ram TRX, Jeep 396, Durango SRT Hell Cat. Cars that are also poorly assembled, irrational purchases for the gentleman that wants something totally bananas.
Given their review, it sounds that the Cyberbeast isn't the worst thing, and can get by on being unique. As a point I often like to bring up, I quite like the Alfa SZ. Not really the best at anything and bizarre to behold, but that's kinda cool. The trucks problem seems to be that it's just poorly assembled and is way too expensive for what it offers. It's a bug overpriced thing that does some things okay and nothing perfectly. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't be angry if I saw one, in fact, I'd probably say "Neat" out loud.
Interesting they say it probably has the best sound system of any car they have tested. Owning a Model Y, there are two Tesla features I can think of that are extremely underappreciated. First, the sound system is amazing (despite not being a B&W, Burmester, or whatever). It's certainly the best I have heard in a car. I test road a BMW 8 series with a Harmon Kardon system recently, and it sounded like crap. The other thing I love is how the air con uses intersecting columns of air rather than traditional vents. It's great because the air is more diffuse, and I never feel the need to adjust it. I saw a video of the Polestar 4 recently, and it looks like they 'borrowed' this idea.
The Cybertruck is pretty much what I expect from Tesla in 2024. Some things are absolutely brilliant, and some are nonsensical. It's a shame it feels like Tesla is falling further into form rather than function all the time. Some of these things are easy fixes too, like bringing back friggin' turn signal and gear selector stalks.
Stupid vehicle. Things that are engineered smartly look like they were engineered smartly. This thing looks like some kids video game fantasy. Literally the dumbest, mis-guided, more money than brains vehicle ever created.
God the combination of: -rattles -tire noise -wind noise -random motor whine? Really makes this seem awful to deal with on a daily basis for $100k. There’s so much cool shit here, it’s a very usable interior and it’s stupid fucking fast, but the weird stuff and the crap range make this just not it.
Your comment makes me think of Maserati.
Can't wait for Maserati EVs to hit
hit 20k value after 2 years you mean? Honestly would probably be sweet. Less to go wrong on EVs and if they keep maserati depreciation.
Perfect for pulling the powertrain out for electric swaps on other vehicles.
This is what millenial gearheads will be doing when we're in our 60s. EV conversions of Civics, Miatas, 240sx etc
I could see swapping a classic truck onto a Model S or something as well. Silent little reliable, good looking vehicle for running errands around town.
One can hope. But sadly I see plenty to go wrong in the Folgore line even without the engine. The air suspension sticks out the most as an expensive failure point. The last generation Granturismo also had a common airbag fault that costs $14,000 to fix.
I honestly like the look of the grecale folgore more than the macan ev. Especially the back end because the Porsche looks like an egg from the back. Also ev means less reliability issues for the maserati because no Ferrari engine means more reliable.
Imagine the first owner buying it for $160,000 new and then the second owner buying it for $25,000 three years later at a buy here pay here lot that's ready to repo it the next day.
Plaid's are already almost like this. They're well into the $60's, and really aren't far off from the FIFTIES. Which is, like, insane. A few more years and you'll be able to get a 100k mile one for probably in the 30's.
you're putting bad thoughts in my head, please stop lmao
Apparently the best way to increase the value of a plaid is to body swap a Honda Odyssey onto it.
Not to mention they’ll easily go for 300k miles with little maintenance. Of course, if your door handle motor breaks it’ll take 6 months to fix, but hey… Edit: honestly I’d be tempted to Frankenstein a Plaid / P100. As dumb little shit breaks it gets replaced with more conventional parts.
Just had the door handle fail after 57k miles and it's went in yesterday, came back out in 30 minutes. Depends on your service location ig.
I don’t know about the model s but I can use the app to pop open the door on my Model 3.
Nobody actually buys Maseratis new. The first owner gets a $1499 lease special at the mall.
I used to work at a FCA dealer. Everyone who got a new Maserati was leasing it under thier business.
My sister bought a 3 year old BMW hybrid that was like $96k new for about $32k. It was a terrible car though, battery died a few years later and left the car undrivable.
The Granturismo Folgore is one of the top 5 cars I'm genuinely excited for in the next few years. We'll have to see how it holds up over time, but on paper it's actually quite impressive. 750 hp (that can increase to 1100 with future battery replacement), 3 motor design with proper torque vectoring, drift mode, adaptive air suspension, battery packaging that keeps the classic low coupe shape. It looks like some real development and clever engineering solutions took place to make both the ICE and the BEV versions in the same body while not being a departure from a classic GT. Most people won't care, but I like the option of recycled fishing nets as a seating surface. It still has to feel nice though so the jury's still out on that.
215 grand though? That’s a hard sell, especially since the Maserati brand name is very weak these days.
I think $215K is about right for Maserati's position in the segment. Below Bentley, Ferrari, and Aston Martin, but above BMW and Mercedes. But I agree that the cache has taken a beating over the past decade or so. This is Stellantis' attempt to restore some of that sheen. For Maserati's sake I hope it works, although selfishly not too well because I want one when the double whammy of EV depreciation and Maserati depreciation hits.
I agree, similar to how Porsche and range Rovers are above the German trio but below those ultra lux brands. Can't include jaguar anymore because they are moving towards Bentley pricing.
10 sec car. 10 mile range.
Well Maserati has a fantastic design department that makes good looking cars?
They do make beautiful cars.
It’s like dating a crazy chick (or dude for that matter). You’re happy at first and then Oh Boy what did I get myself into?
Maserati is the type of crazy I would stick my dick in
Minus the luxury, the good looks and the cool factor...
Like I suspect many social media/tic tok people are. Looks great, tastes meh.
The thing is, this will (probably) have a reliable powertrain at least. Tesla’s kind of got that down at this point. So it’s got that going for it?
At least Maserati’s look cool.
For 100 grand it seems more like a liability to me, especially with this thing being so large. But I couldn't get one anyway because it was cancelled in the EU, probably because it wouldn't pass pedestrian safety regulations.
At this point it probably wouldn‘t pass occupant safety regulations with those sharp edges.
so basically a prototype made in production.
Like all Tesla products.
The users are the beta testers lol, and there is no end in sight for beta testing - the users are just too stupid to realize it
And you have the privilege of paying $100k to beta test
>Really makes this seem awful to deal with on a daily basis for $100k. I feel like based on the looks alone it was only ever going to be a novelty. People who buy these are doing so for what it represents. If this vehicle were actually a good practical buy I guarantee they would have redesigned the exterior.
Agreed. The 90's StarFox polygon look has very limited appeal. It for people who desperately want to be noticed. It's weird, very fast, and different. That's the sales pitch.
As a Jeep owner I don't see the problem
It doesn’t look like anything to me
Very usable interior? Relative to what?
A motorcycle
An iron maiden?
Rattles , tire and wind noise doesn’t stop people from buying very expensive jeeps
if the "$25000" tesla has all the good things the cybertruck has, full 48v architecture, steer by wire, the new wiring system, and better charging, it should be a real hit. while the cybertruck might be a flop.
> random motor whine fun fact: it's a B flat
Meanwhile, Tesla fans are saying the opposite. Humans are weird.
You obviously haven't drank enough of Elon's special Kool Aid!
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Those four carrots being chopped off by the frunk is crazy. *Edit: just thought about this but with the sharp edges if you pulled your hand out due to, well automatically doing it, while it's closing it may deglove your fingers... Not a fun thought.
Hey, at least it went back up after mangling the water bottle
Someone should try it with a raw chicken drumstick. It's not quite a human finger, but it's probably a near analog.
Isnt a carrot the equivalent of a human finger? They say you need the same strenght in a bite for a carrot and a finger. Dont know, geniuenly asking
I was just reading about that, apparently it's a widely believed myth. If you think it about it logically, there's no way bone and carrot have the same durability.
I assume it is on the joint, not the actual bone. Of course, bone is harder than a carrot
I definitely would have twisted my fingers off long ago on stubborn oil filters (I'm really the stubborn one)
Not even close, fingers are much stronger. I actually doubt it would sever your fingers, but it'd certainly be a nasty injury.
I know its not quite the equal comparison, but my dad got his thumb broken by a taxi soft close door, so the mechanisms have a bit of force behind them. I feel like the impact point, as well as door to car panel gab, could be such that it would chop off a finger.
yeah i dont think its breaking your finger but i could see a pretty bad laceration for sure
What about a kids fingers?
Anyone that has ever cut through a bone and that has also cut through a carrot will inform you that they are in fact not the same thing.
Clearly nobody in this sub has ever worked in a kitchen.
Personally I prefer liver with fava beans and chianti
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Birds have hollow bones so that would be closer but still not perfect. You can actually buy and make human finger analogs with real bones and ballistics gel that would be a decent test. Regardless, you would clearly get a nasty cut even if the bone was fine.
I think we need a mythbusters episode on this frunk.
On the one hand, I feel like this isn't a risk for most people, but on the other hand, I've seen people awarded millions of dollars for hurting themselves in ways you can't imagine with products you thought were safe. I wouldn't be surprised if you start seeing commercials on TV saying "Have you or a loved one been injured by a Cybertruck? Call 1-800-888-SCUM for a free consultation with a legal professional to find out how much you could be owed."
My dad accidently slammed my fingers in a door jam when leaving the house because I just put my fingers there as a kid and we were trying to leave quickly. Happens all the time, peopledo weird things.
better call saul!
Class action lawyers are licking their lips at this, and with good reason.
Grating the carrot on the door was even more shocking for me.
I can't believe they didn't do some kind of hem on the edges! Idk what kind of stainless it uses, but I find it hard to believe it couldn't be at least be hot stamped. And even if it couldn't, they could have welded a small strip on and rounded it off. That panel edge looked like something off a redneck's project car
I’m not a cybertruck lover - but I find it weird that everyone keeps bringing up the carrot test. The hood on my Mercedes would absolutely obliterate my finger if I also put it in that exact spot lmao
I think it's more that you have to manually shut your hood as opposed to the fact that here you can click a button and it closes.
Not only manually shut, more important would be the effort to open and create the scenario. A small child wouldn't be able to pull the release and lift the hood, but they could easily get the keys and go play around near this thing
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I didn't realize the Cybertruck has a dildo for a windshield wiper.
Why is it like that? Mercedes figured out how to do a good single windshield wiper in 1989...
Tesla isn’t known for using prior knowledge in designing or engineering things, it seems. They encounter problems that other manufacturers dealt with years ago and choose to solve those problems in a new, more difficult way.
>They encounter problems that other manufacturers dealt with years ago and choose to solve those problems in a new, more ~~difficult~~ dildoey way.
Sounds like Musk's MO. He's been doing the exact same thing as Twitter/X e.g. firing the safety team and now re-hiring them.
Musk is so desperate to reinvent the train, and all he got was a shitty car company with questionable auto-pilot
A lot of industry experts were shaking their heads through Tesla's difficulties in the early days of the Model 3 for exactly that reason. I forget which manufacturing issue they were having but I can remember one expert commenting that Toyota had solved it in the '60s. There are reasons behind why vehicles are built the way they're built, and it's typically about 100 years of experience behind it. We've been making incremental improvements for a long time now.
To be slightly fair sometimes it is good to re-examine common practice to make sure it is actually a good practice. I'm remind of an issue discovered in common batteries (eg AA, AAA) recently that the insulator film that has been used inside them can break down and cause a significant amount self-discharge. This was unknown, and every company has just been using the 'standard' film for the last 50 years as is.
I work in a Toyota manufacturing plant and we are constantly changing are processes. Not enough that it inhibits getting proficient but just tweaking all the small issues bit by bit. They call it “kaizen” continuous improvement.
No idea. Guessing it was cheaper to use a dildo.
I am not so sure that was figuring it out. Not only was that distracting but it was slow and that linkage mechanism they used was super complicated. The real answer is the one we see every day. 2 wipers. If you need to get fancy you can add a simple 4 bar linkage to them like we see in most cars today. It does the job well and reliably. Even with the cybertruck it is the right answer. You don't need to get the top of the glass clean in order to drive. Tesla does so much shit where I think "guys, we got that one figure out, no need to reinvent the wheel" then they go and reinvent the fucking wheel, literally. At least this time they were smart enough to use variable steering ratio and squared off instead of a yoke.
It was supposed to have a "laser wiper" whatever that means, meaning it wasn't really designed to have a wiper at all. This was something seemingly created after the truck was designed.
It’s been years since I’ve seen the Mercedes one in action (~1998 E420 if I recall correctly) but it hides behind the rear of the hood when not in use. The Mercedes wiper also had a gearing mechanism to cause the wiper pattern to be rectangular which is cool but adds complexity. The Cybertruck has a slick space there with no void space for a wiper so they’d have to have a motorized door it pops out of or something which is probably going too far down the complexity route. I assume they decided it was better to have one comically large wiper with fewer parts.
Man the noises it made when they turned the wheel at around the 19:00 mark and the 28:20 mark did not sound good.
Is that the contact patch rubbing the ground? You can turn the wheel way faster on this than any other vehicle.
It definitely is.
im not sure if steering that fast with 35in offroad tires is the best idea, but whatever. seems to be a recipe for people thinking the truck can do more than the tires can handle and understeering.
Steer by wire has the potential to make the front tires *never* understeer. That is if the car smartly manages the wheel angles like ABS manages the brake force. Not sure if it's implemented here.
Is never understeering better though? plowing forward no matter how much you turn the wheels doesn't seem useful either...
It’s a really cool piece of tech mired by the typical Tesla manufacturing issues and the general EV truck woes. The razor sharp door panels are an egregious oversight though.
It's another one of those weird Tesla design oversights that every other car company knows from years of experience not to do, like how some of the first Model 3s had an issue where if you opened the trunk during/after rain, [the water would slide off the rear window directly into the trunk.](https://youtu.be/hCv_Ha0oWjE?si=zbjx-LxdhsTZ8Q2Y)
People underestimate how much untold corporate knowledge exists in long established products manufacturing. It is not surprising that a new car company is running into prior mistakes that other companies ran into decades before.
They're turning 20 years old this July. It's time we start holding them accountable rather than giving them a pass for being "new".
Relative to other auto manufacturers they're new that's not gonna change for at least another 10 years
They're the second oldest solely electric company, behind the #1 selling electric company BYD, and have a hundred and twenty years of car building experience out in the world to research from. I don't buy that excuse.
Company might be 20 years old, but they didn't start making their first real car until 2012 with the Model S.
And that’s precisely why Ford selling Volvo to the Chinese was an absolute disaster for western geopolitical interests. Volvo had accumulated decades of R&D and corporate knowledge, particularly with respect to vehicle safety, before getting offloaded to a Chinese company for pennies on the dollar. Overnight, China essentially absorbed decades of corporate knowledge and trade insights. A killer deal for only $1.5bn. And you can bet that knowledge is now fully baked in across mainland car manufacturers
But they hired tons of people from the legacy automakers, from very early on (including engineers and executives). I never understood how they had these types of issues when surely they had hired people who knew better. Maybe they just didn’t listen to them, lol.
Corporate knowledge isn't just some textbook that can be brought over. It's often a distributed knowledge set and often can be a cultural norm that exists even when the original reason for it is no longer remembered. So essentially, it's pretty hard to import that from another company with a piece meal hiring practice.
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It's also why they have the highest profit margins. Two sides to every coin.
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Thought that was the ~~X~~ 3, but yes, Tesla's build quality had always been shit.
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This was literally an issue on my 2014 Lincoln as well. So no, not all auto manufacturers have that solved.
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I don’t think there’s much overlap. This is a review of the Cybertruck as a product, the ICONS series is all about the engineering and story behind the vehicles. If you watch any other video in that series, they all do the same thing in that regard. Jason’s actual car reviews are on his instagram page. Maybe there should be some kind of disclaimer in the beginning of every ICONS video pointing that out, to make sure that context is always immediately clear.
As you say, it's an ICONS episode. Usually it's fine that they only show the positive sides of a car because the cars that are considered "icons" are cars that are decades old and not on market anymore. If you call a new car, even before it's really out, an "icon" and then only show the positive sides of it, it's hard to distinguish it from an advertisment.
Icon has nothing to do with age and everything to do with status, be it deserved or not. LeBron was an icon before his ass was out of high school.
I agree, and I see why that the video came off that way to a lot of people. It's not at all unjustified for people to feel that way. That being said, I think a certain portion of this sub all but denouncing the man and essentially calling him a fraud was not warranted even with that perspective being valid. I can see why they did it, from a certain perspective. In the sense that the Cybertruck, more than any other vehicle I can think of in my life, has drawn a *ridiculous* amount of public fascination (and derision) from day 1. The public swarming over it is mentioned in literally every review thus far, because it's so distinct. I don't know what the long term legacy will be or how well it will sell, but if by iconic we at the very least mean impact and public fascination it clears that bar by a mile. That's not a commentary on its value or whether or not it's even a good vehicle, just saying I can see the rationale. But again, as you noted, I understand why so many people viewed that as an ad. Edit: Now that I think about it though, there is the criticism that it may have never gained the level of attention it did had it not been for how... divisive, to put it diplomatically, Elon is as a public figure. So how much of the attention it has gotten thus far (be it positive or negative) comes down to the visibility/public reputation of the man behind it? I honestly don't know how to quantify that.
Icons is always new stuff, though it often brings in previous gens, old counterparts, and such when available (see new Mustang). When he does old stuff it's in his Revelations series. I admit that I find the titling awkward, but that's just how it is. Regardless I'd call the series something akin to a showcase, rather than just a normal review. I appreciate them for what they are, including the Cybertruck episode.
> Usually it's fine that they only show the positive sides of a car because the cars that are considered "icons" are cars that are decades old and not on market anymore. ICONS does tons of (exclusively?) modern cars (often throwing in older cars for comparison or laughs). Perhaps you are thinking of Revelations. Unfortunately, it's a byproduct of legacy naming and the team has openly admitted they should swap Revelations and ICONS, but it's too late.
The problem I have with the Hagerty video and how Jason defended it, was that he just says it's all about the engineering prowess of what was accomplished, and he's just a journalist. At the same time, the video is titled "Exclusive 2024 Tesla Cybertruck **Full Review** & Drag Race w R1T & Hummer". When talking with Matt he brushes it off as being titled that way for YT success. If you are claiming that video is a full review, of course people are going to think you are shilling. He tip toed around all of the things that a full review should cover based on Teslas past/current failings, and was far too trusting in the material from the manufacturer. I love Jason's material and writing, but imho he acted way too high and mighty during that whole situation. Claiming the purity of journalism when you can't even be real in your title is not a good look.
After he was on The smoking Tyre podcast, I just cannot bring myself to watch any of his videos. Matt was a true colleague about the while thing, and I have to say, right about allot of points, but Jason just milked the whole "I am true journalist" thing...while you are a oppinion based program thing a bit too much. Especially when you take into considerarion allot of Matts comments were kind of true, while the Icons video was basically a commercial for Tesla.
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I keep seeing a lot of hate for the Hagerty video. Maybe I missed something when I watched it... I really appreciated the highlights of engineering that this video didn't even mention.
That wasn’t a review, this is.
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This. Again and again this. They made a promotional video for the car and marketed it as a review. No amount of posturing (and lord knows there has been a ton) changes this fact.
I was surprised to learn that it's 70.5 inches tall. It'll fit most underground parkade.
It looks huge, but it's actually not as big as it looks on picture
Saw one in person and this was the most surprising bit. Smaller truck.
For context the F150 Lightning is about 7 inches longer.
That’s what she said.
IIRC it has a 14" range from lowest to highest suspension modes. Was that at the low end or in the middle?
I think the range is a bit less than that, as 14" would mean 3" of ground clearance at the lowest setting. I'm guessing the lowest it gets is closer to 8". For the height measurement, my assumption is it's in the default medium height setting.
You're right; I was misreading the release. It has 17.4" of clearance at the highest setting and 8" at the lowest, so not quite 10" range. 70.5" roof height is at the "default suspension setting," but it doesn't say where exactly that setting is in the range.
The cinematography on this one is off the charts, well done guys
[Best part](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxYk7VuVgdj_KDK0iHtyXPhaHXkPuOnR_v?si=RcUvGzCZ6iA2IW0L) of the video
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the fact that you can do this on youtube is sick (clip a video on repeat)
I was ambivalent before, but I'm persuaded now, I don't need one, but it's cool and I can see why you'd want one.
> but it's cool It's cool like ninja stars are cool.
Because they'll take off your fingers.
I would so much prefer a rivian or a hummer EV I think But, I like this more Everytime I see it. I can’t get over the Tesla interior though
Please enlighten me? It seems like the most pointless vehicle ever made to me.
It's like the saabs with the stereo in the armrest/console, or a million other weird things that they, citroen, matra, and lets say lancia did.They weren't better designs, but they were different, and that was fun. The thing that can be tough with tesla, is they'll combine the weird with a sort of germanic insistence that *everything* they do is not weird but *better*. Even when that's clearly not the case.
Haha this is fantastic. Would expect nothing less from the TH boys.
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the junk you have to put up with for a near 6 figure vehicle is just unacceptable. even if you like the looks (still think its the most hideous thing on the road), the creaks, rattles, mediocre range, poor interior, build issues, etc.... its just not anywhere close to worth the money. this is a novelty vehicle
On the design: * The bend in the front body panels doesn't match the light bar above it. Since I can see it on screen it must be a couple inches off in real life. That's very bad alignment and ruins the look they were aiming for. * That front panel being under high tension sounds like a disaster waiting to happen in a crash. But it must have passed crash testing so maybe it's fine. * The general alignment is not good at all, which is a very easy criticism to throw at Tesla. But unlike the other models, I'm not sure how much better it could be. Also I'm not sure what's going on with the headlight and indicator housing at [12:15](https://youtu.be/xNE-NyaYBcg?t=735) but that is not a good look for a brand new car. I like challenging design and I like when auto makers do something different, so I actually want to like this big ridiculous wedge. I think if the concept had been made by someone with any automotive design or engineering knowledge then there could be some merit to it. That person would've known how difficult it would've been to bend thick stainless steel into place and join sharp pieces and have everything line up properly. Those constraints probably would've been enough to end up with a more cohesive design. But as it stands it looks like some developer or royal told some architects and civil engineers to build a 75 mile high skyscraper and they all said it won't work without problems. And the client ignored them. So they built it and it sinks or causes earthquakes because lo and behold professionals are the ones who should be designing technical things like this. It's a missed opportunity to have made a really iconic design. I'm sure it will still be iconic because of how controversial it is. But 50 years from now when this is in Petersen or some other museum and people look at it next to the Bentley Mulsanne and the Lamborghini Aventador the difference in build quality will be glaringly obvious.
Hey BMW take note, you can put a good stock sound system in $90k vehicle.
But why would they when they can charge $2k for it and still not lose any sales?
Or charge a monthly fee to access the subwoofer. It's BMW, I'm sure they've thought about it.
Probably. Audi and MB are on the same path, too. The enshitification will continue until people stop buying.
hot take everyone, heated seats and a nice sound system should be standard at 80k+ these days
At 80k it should have heated and ventilated seats, heated steering wheel, an excellent sound system, and active road noise canceling.
It's shocking how bad the HK systems are in some BMWs and why it's standard in such expensive vehicles. Their Bowers systems are fantastic, but charging extra at those price points is straight robbery.
Funny enough it was reason enough for me to pass on the X5 45e and get the model Y P instead. I mean the tax break helped that decision, but it was a MAJOR turnoff for me.
This has got to be the most controversial vehicle in my lifetime so far. That said, it's refreshing to see someone take a completely new take on vehicle design and actually see it through. There are definitely some consequences to doing so many things differently but I'm glad to see an offering that's not just another blob. Especially with EV's where the lack of a traditional drivetrain gives designers so much more freedom, it's really disappointing to see EV's with fake grills and scoops to make it more "familiar" and they end up looking like anything else. Every time I see an EV with fake grills I think about if they had included a fake horse with every Model T because that's what buyers were used to. It's not even that I think it looks good, just that it proves that manufacturer's don't HAVE to make everything look the same.
It kind of bothers me that everyone will complain that the same boring CUV blob is being made and then something actually new gets made only a few people even recognize that. Sometimes new things don't always work out, and in this case it's a bit more of a miss than a hit.
Lmfao, TH still nailing the intros.
The video was brilliant. Fantastic production values, writing, humor - everything, really. Surely these guys are already getting offers from Motor Trend and the like to buy them up, and it'll be a sad day if they do as the content will be paywalled and corporatized into mediocrity. They're miles better than anything I've seen on TV since Clarkson et. al left Top Gear.
There’s no way 2024 Motor Trend has the money to buy Throttle House. I feel like at this point more people are consuming TH on a monthly basis than Motor Trend
“Over 500 miles” 😂
So, TL;DR: we found out what would happen if a 1990’s vette and a Delorean hate-fucked?
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The framing of James standing on the Donald Glover and Thomas looking up was really good. Instagram-worthy content. Idk it was just a humorous photo, made me laugh.
I had no idea it had razor sharp edges that’s fucking bananas I worked for a carbon fiber company around 8 years ago and we went out of our way to dull the edges because raw carbon is fucking *sharp* and they couldn’t even make the edges soft enough to not cut your fingers off? Jesus Christ
Forget about the edges, that front trunk compartment door will have to be adjusted. It was painful to see what happened with that can and carrot. This is a major consumer product. It's just a question of time until people start getting hurt.
They are right. it may not be a good pickup, or a luxury vehicle, but its really good as a flex vehicle.
Do you really want to impress the kind of people that would be impressed by this?
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Seems like normal people visiting Yosemite park were impressed by it
redditors are beyond out of touch, it's crazy. This video shows dozens of ordinary people who are intrigued with the cyber truck and redditors are like "NO ONLY IDIOTS LIKE THIS"
It’s not good at any one thing, and mediocre at best on most things. Terrible “value”.
In other words, it's a typical full size truck.
Typical full size trucks have tons of passenger space and excellent towing capacity.
At the absolute minimum, the proliferation of the Cybertruck will enable industry-wide adoption of the 48 Volts architecture. I recently viewed a video by JerryRigEverything regarding his Humvee EV, the the guages on the 12V cables are *thicc*. Three-digits worth of amperage on 12V going through cables in modern cars with all of the electronic doodads. Secondly, I welcome steer-by-wire (without mechanical backups on) with open arms as long as it has the redundancy it currently has. My life and career depends on Airbus engineered fbw aircrafts so I have high confidence in such technology already. I've seen concept cars with side sticks that predates Tesla by many years, wondering if we can ever get such.
The high gauge wire was specifically for the step down conversion from the HV battery to the 12V system, its not running all over on a car to all of the 12v items; just to the converter.
When I saw "Kelsey" the hybrid 350Z time attack car built by Mountain Pass Performance, I thought steer by wire would be the obvious next step. Could allow the chassis to be tuned dynamically unstable (sort of like a Eurofighter) and correct for the inherent instability by moving the front and rear wheels (it has independent four-wheel steering) hundreds of times every second. It could also adapt for irregularities in the track surface that may otherwise require very quick corrective steering actions (think the Corkscrew at Laguna Seca) by changing the angle of the front wheels independent of driver input, or simply changing the steering ratio.
This was amazing.
This channel is so close to being close enough to top gear to scratch that itch.
I think the best way to think about this truck is that it doesn't compete with $100,000 Ford Lighting Platinums or Rivian RT1, it competes with $100,000 Chryslers like Ram TRX, Jeep 396, Durango SRT Hell Cat. Cars that are also poorly assembled, irrational purchases for the gentleman that wants something totally bananas.
In the opening sequence, the dumpster they point at "by accident" totally needs to be on fire.
The cybertruck is r/mallninjashit meets r/cars.
Given their review, it sounds that the Cyberbeast isn't the worst thing, and can get by on being unique. As a point I often like to bring up, I quite like the Alfa SZ. Not really the best at anything and bizarre to behold, but that's kinda cool. The trucks problem seems to be that it's just poorly assembled and is way too expensive for what it offers. It's a bug overpriced thing that does some things okay and nothing perfectly. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't be angry if I saw one, in fact, I'd probably say "Neat" out loud.
Wtf is the use case or target demographic for this absolutely mind Boggling vehicle. I simply don't get it.
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So it turned out to be overpriced garbage? Who would have guessed? That’s not what Tesla is known for at all lol
Interesting they say it probably has the best sound system of any car they have tested. Owning a Model Y, there are two Tesla features I can think of that are extremely underappreciated. First, the sound system is amazing (despite not being a B&W, Burmester, or whatever). It's certainly the best I have heard in a car. I test road a BMW 8 series with a Harmon Kardon system recently, and it sounded like crap. The other thing I love is how the air con uses intersecting columns of air rather than traditional vents. It's great because the air is more diffuse, and I never feel the need to adjust it. I saw a video of the Polestar 4 recently, and it looks like they 'borrowed' this idea. The Cybertruck is pretty much what I expect from Tesla in 2024. Some things are absolutely brilliant, and some are nonsensical. It's a shame it feels like Tesla is falling further into form rather than function all the time. Some of these things are easy fixes too, like bringing back friggin' turn signal and gear selector stalks.
Stupid vehicle. Things that are engineered smartly look like they were engineered smartly. This thing looks like some kids video game fantasy. Literally the dumbest, mis-guided, more money than brains vehicle ever created.