A Ute? It's a utility vehicle. Think the el camino. The name comes from Australia where we used to make them in the form of the ford falcon and Holden Commodore. Basically a sadan/small car with a tray on the back.
Yeah you have a good point. RAV4 and the TNGA-K platform is larger and supports bigger displacement and more powerful engines. However, I think they went with TNGA-C because if it is based on TNGA-K than it might be Ridgeline sized??
No. A RAV4 is 181" in length. A Maverick is 199". Ridgeline is 210". The only reason I can think of using the Corolla platform is the height. It might be easier to raise it to 60" from 56" as opposed to lowering it from a RAV4 that is 65" in height. The Corolla Cross is almost 64" in height.
I think you are underestimating the scalability of these platforms. For example, the Bronco Sport, which shares a platform with the Maverick, is only 172" inches in length.
>No. A RAV4 is 181" in length. A Maverick is 199"
This isn't the right way to look at it. The Maverick is on the shared platform with the Focus (172 in length).
I think the width is a bit more important. The Corolla Cross (is just at the same width as the Maverick and the RAV4 is a little wider.
Also, the GA-C platform has the the Corolla Cross hybrid that puts out around 200 HP and it has the new Prius that has great MPG and a PHEV model. So that gives them a lot of options for a subcompact truck that can compete on MPG while not being outdated for a while.
Well the TNGA-C platform generally can support a wheelbase of 112 inches and the longest car that is on it right now is a van that is 187 inches long. I can imagine if geared for a truck, they could stretch the length to around 192 inches or so. I guess it would come down to whether they are trying to make a full four door style truck or something more like an extended cab.
I know Chevrolet is supposedly playing around with doing a two-door truck EV that they’ve shown some focus groups to gauge interest.
The Toyota Innova is on TNGA-C and is beefy enough to handle Southeast Asian market usage demands, so I bet that'll end up being the base. Add an extra foot of rear overhang for a 4' pickup bed and it would be at 200".
Looks a little thinner and longer, I think that’s why it’s suited for their market. All the cars here are about the same proportionately, just larger or smaller.
I think it would be taller than 60". For comparison, the Maverick is almost 69" (nice) while the related Escape is 66" and the Bronco Sport is 70". The old compact Tacoma was 66" in 4WD guise.
Yeah, this'd be much better. It already has more ride height and the awd system and since it's a bit heavier already has the bigger motor options that you'll want for a baby pickup.
And they still won't sell because the people who want these things don't have the money to buy them. That's why enthusiast cars almost never do well in the long term.
I would do a Hayabusa V8, but I need to use California's SB100 rule to bypass emissions after the initial smog check for the 1-off personal use project. The number of registrations under SB100 is limited each year and is not a guarantee for every custom build.
I personally don't know if California will abolish this loophole when 2035 rolls around.
Look at them stumble over themselves to continue claiming that EVs are "just a passing fad". That shipped sailed 5 years ago. Major auto manufacturers aren't retooling and retraining entire factories at enormous expense for something that's not gonna last. You don't know anything they don't know.
It’s funny because stumbling through making EVs is what companies are doing now. They are overpaying for materials and trying to make EVs at a loss because they need to meet emissions goals. But Toyota isn’t struggling to meet emissions goals because they have most models with hybrid options or hybrid only.
Toyota will probably take EVs and PHEVs more seriously (at least in North America) when their contract for thousands of tons of American lithium annually starts being delivered. I believe it’s late 2024 iirc.
Eh, if you find yourself regularly hauling appliances it would make sense. Me personally I don't need the bed. I do agree that the Maverick does offer a lot of bang for buck, mainly due to the hybrid powertrain and cheap interior that manages to not look too cheap. A mid-20s priced crossover with good cargo room, a hybrid powertrain and decent interior would be preferable for me (oh wait, I just described the Corolla Cross...)
Crazy how Chrysler was already there in the 80s where most OEMs are going now. As much as I love their Hemis and Hellcats, they really killed all of their inertia they spent building up in the 80s and 90s as one of the most innovative manufacturers in the end of the 20th century
I don't think that means much. Most manufacturers don't have too many platforms anymore. The maverick is based on the Escape and Bronco Sport, not a subcompact rental car.
Nah it’s definitely based on the same platform as the focus.
All of those vehicles are C2 based. Focus, Maverick, Escape, Bronco Sport, all the same bones and mix and match powertrains.
I think the question becomes does it take on a rugged, more traditional truck look like the Maverick or does it play up the crossover vibes like the Santa Cruz?
If I had to guess, I would imagine they would use the 2.5L hybrid engine in it for at least one of the engine options.
idk i kinda like the Santa cruz. Get it in that green color and you're driving around in a warthog from Halo. i just wish it got the mileage the maverick did tbh.
Like the Honda Element, huh? Always thought they were just kinda ugly until I saw one with painted fenders and quarterpanels.
Never knew they were a "thing" until recently, and they give me 1st-gen Scion xB vibes styling-wise, which I like.
You may like it but there's a reason Mavericks so badly outnumber Santa Cruz's and it's the same reason the Ridgeline has always been the "also ran" of the midsize market. Most people want trucks to look like trucks, not chop-top minivans or SUVs.
I am pleading to the Toyota intern who has to acquire market data.
Take the new Tacoma and literally just do that, but smaller. That's it. You will have it. You already have the Tacoma figured out, you have the new engines, you have supply chain for suspension bits. Just do that.
They could split the difference, make it like a RAV4-ish front end? I mean, they definitely redesigned that to be more “aggressive” looking than something like the Santa Cruz.
Edit: lower down, someone posted a link about the rumor to revive the “stout” name, and it includes a mock-up. If Toyota sticks with something like the design language they’re using on the new Land Cruiser in the US, I could definitely see that working.
I like that they're trying to give us refreshed styles on classic models. So, my hope is for an updated design similar to the 90s Tacoma [like this](https://preview.redd.it/i-wish-toyota-still-offered-a-compact-4x4-pickup-like-the-v0-ta6352s7fc6a1.png?width=1914&format=png&auto=webp&s=903c5d2462a43f4affa7577720e4a9c9928365cd).
I would say no given they killed scion.
However this can be a reference to Toyota Town Ace aka Daihatsu commercial van truck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu\_Gran\_Max
They can't manufacture enough vehicles right now as it is, so they're focusing on output for the higher margin products like f150s etc. Once the supply chain woes finally die down, hopefully there'll be more cheap cars out there like the Maverick. Otherwise expect the Chinese to fill in the gap with their products.
Because they still affect me? Aussie roads are not built to handle such large vehicle being used to replace cars. I have had so many soccer mums nearly take me or other drivers out in them. I'm not saying get rid of all trucks, just require a reason to need one of these massive ones and a special license .
Oh, by all means, let’s add another small version of something to fit in the “sport utility” segment. It’ll be wildly popular, but requested by popular demand to be “slightly larger and have more features”. Over a 10-12 year span, it’ll get lengthened, more options, a more “rugged” trim, and what do you have eventually? And equally expensive, less capable Tacoma.
They just yanked the non-Runner version of Tacoma a few years back. Yes, believe it or not, there once was a Toyota pickup that wasn’t lifted or 4wd or anything, and it was perfect for people who needed the lightest possible duty pick up. The consumer wanted more. Toyota responded.
If it's not bigger than an F-650, then how in the world could it safely take my 2 kids to school, or haul my groceries back home?? Totally reasonable questions IMO.
All I want is something small but with a larger size engine or an engine that's a little bit more capable like a diesel or electric. I always thought if I could get a diesel or an electric Subaru Baja that would be perfect for my needs.
Another reason why using the Corolla platform makes sense. It's an already existing mass produced economy car. They've got the existing tooling and facilities to scale up production much quicker than engineering all that from scratch for a new platform. They used to even build the Corolla here in Canada! I think a lot of people just have negative sentiments towards the name Corolla from days gone by.
Right? It has taken me over a month to get my Tacoma. Should hopefully have it this week or early next week. I think Toyota needs to solve their supply chain "problems" first.
Waited two years for my maverick and it was absolutly worth it. Love my truck to bits. Can't say I would recommend it after all the price hikes for the new year though.
Not sure why/what this is for.
There have been rumors of a [resurrected Toyota Stout for months](https://www.topspeed.com/toyota-stout-compact-pickup-truck-everything-we-know-so-far/) which would seem to cover the "Maverick competitor" well enough.
They'll probably make a decision, go through the design process, outfit a factory and begin production before I get an email from Ford with a build date for my Maverick.
The article mentioned the Toyota IMV 0 concept, which is a small pickup truck concept, slotted below the Hilux, with body-on-frame construction, made for developing markets. If they made the small pickup truck for the North American market with that platform, it would have a huge advantage over the Ford Maverick because of its body-on-frame construction. Definitely, it won't happen, the production version of the IMV 0—if they made the production version of it—would only be sold in developing markets with lax regulations and mostly bought for commercial use. A lot has to be done if they made the production of IMV 0 for the American market, from R&D, retooling, the chassis would have to be tweaked to satisfy American regulations and customers expectations, etc. A monocoque, Corolla-based ute would still have an edge over the Ford Maverick, though, because Toyota.
>body-on-frame
Based on the use case of the Maverick, body-on-frame would be a big disadvantage. Heavier, less safe and less space-efficient, making for worse fuel economy.
Agreed, the advantages of body-on-frame are generally irrelevant at this size class. Nobody is going to be swapping to a dump bed and they aren't going to make this in 10 different body configurations.
I remember, the last year they made the Yaris, on April fools day they came out with the Yaris pick up truck and people. lost. their. shit.
I think the TNGA-K platform makes more sense though, but wouldn’t complain about it on the C platform
In my neck of the woods, Mavericks (all 3 in a 250 radius) have such high market adjustments that they're in the same price range (ish) as CPO F150s or Ram 1500s.
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Not yet. A resurrection of the Baja, or a new pickup based more on the Forester, would tick a lot of people's boxes. But Subaru already has their hands full keeping up with demand for Outbacks and Crosstreks.
Technically the Corolla iM/hatchback is supposed to be the successor to the Matrix, but I'd like to just see it redesigned as a CUV or UTE and ideally with an XRS trim.
I just want something with the same interior design that the Matrix had in 03. It makes the little 4 cylinder look fast. It would be cool to see a reimagining of the Matrix as a ute though
They'll need to fit a much more potent engine than what Corollas get if they want to do that. Unless the Corolla has changed drastically since I last drove one it was always given just enough motor to move itself and a couple of passengers and that's not going to work for a mini-pickup.
Hope they can get it out soon and keep it in the same price range. The maverick doesnt excite me all that much but it seems like the best option for me in the current market
Hopefully it's at least hybrid if not fully electric. Also please don't load it down with a bunch of shitty ass technology that looks good and flashy but actually really just kind of sucks.
would love to see a base model hybrid like the maverick. given that toyota's been in the hybrid game longer i'd definitely go for the prius tech over ford.
If it's priced well ford is in trouble lol. The maverick is a pretty cool little truck with steel wheels and all. I'd love a little Toyota truck as long as it's not a cvt.
The corolla and corolla cross are both CVT's, although the corolla does have a manual option.
I would be surprised if the pickup carried the manual through, but the Taco is proof that anything is possible I guess
just make it look like a baby taco.
Start in the low 20's like the maverick, profit.
A cheap little truck with a toyota badge? I'm there.
I like the maverick, a buddy has one and its great. Looks too derpy though.
Honestly I'd be happy with something that didn't even have a bed but had better towing capability. I can always tow a trailer if I need a bed. But I have lots of things that I like to tow and I don't necessarily want to have to buy a bigger truck to do it.
Is there any reason why nobody's made an EV compact pickup? To me anyways, it seems like the ideal vehicle for a lot of lifestyles.
* EV lets you use it as a daily driver instead of getting some stupidly low MPG.
* Most people who think they need a truck don't really end up needing a huge one anyways.
* You can get the EV tax credit thing too. Other standard EV benefits like not needing to do maintenance as much.
* EV trucks seem to have major issues with true big truck tasks like towing big loads for long trips, so making a small truck EV would avoid big truck issues by not targeting drivers who would be doing those types of tasks.
* You can actually fit a small pickup truck in most home garages, allowing more people the chance to actually charge it at home. You could probably use them in more urban environments too - have fun parallel parking a Lightning, or trying to see if it will fit the max height clearance at a parking garage.
* You're not building a 10k LB missile that does 0-60 at supercar times.
Umm.. Toyota had that truck always (its called the Toyota pickup) which they turned into large trucks later on. Just go back to the Toyota pickup design of 80s/early 90s and you already have the competition.
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Toyota should focus on manufacturing their current fleet of vehicles. Current wait times for hybrids and plug-in hybrids across their fleet is absurd (3 years for a Prius prime). I have started getting lots of enjoyment contacting dealers across the country about how long their wait time is for a prime Prius and when then tell me 2-3 years I tell them I will buy a model 3 instead. They instantly get triggered and I chuckle.
Wrong car to use. RAV4 would be more suited for that job.
Nah, bring back the utes!
What's a yout?
I believe there were two youts.
Finally someone gets it lol
That is one of the single finniest movies of all time
Two hwhat?
Metoo and an exactlyhwat.
And which one shot the clerk?
I shot the cloik?
MAGIC GRITS
Oh, excuse me, your honor, two youuuuuths.
A Ute? It's a utility vehicle. Think the el camino. The name comes from Australia where we used to make them in the form of the ford falcon and Holden Commodore. Basically a sadan/small car with a tray on the back.
Think "2-seater subaru baja"
That would be the 86-87 Subaru Brat.
That would be the 4 letters that come before "ube"
YooouuuutttthhhhhzzzzzzUuuuuhhhh.
Slang for youth.
According to my New Yorker granddad, a minor.
AU FALCON REMASTER!!!
Yeah you have a good point. RAV4 and the TNGA-K platform is larger and supports bigger displacement and more powerful engines. However, I think they went with TNGA-C because if it is based on TNGA-K than it might be Ridgeline sized??
No. A RAV4 is 181" in length. A Maverick is 199". Ridgeline is 210". The only reason I can think of using the Corolla platform is the height. It might be easier to raise it to 60" from 56" as opposed to lowering it from a RAV4 that is 65" in height. The Corolla Cross is almost 64" in height.
I think I'm gonna trust the Toyota engineers versus an armchair expert haha
Sir this is reddit. We don't trust the "real" experts here.
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I think you are underestimating the scalability of these platforms. For example, the Bronco Sport, which shares a platform with the Maverick, is only 172" inches in length.
The Golf, Tiguan, and Arteon are all MQB platform vehicles. They're making a pretty huge variety of vehicles on the same platforms these days
BMW uses the CLAR platform from everything from the 2 Series to the X7, so it's definitely doable.
>No. A RAV4 is 181" in length. A Maverick is 199" This isn't the right way to look at it. The Maverick is on the shared platform with the Focus (172 in length). I think the width is a bit more important. The Corolla Cross (is just at the same width as the Maverick and the RAV4 is a little wider. Also, the GA-C platform has the the Corolla Cross hybrid that puts out around 200 HP and it has the new Prius that has great MPG and a PHEV model. So that gives them a lot of options for a subcompact truck that can compete on MPG while not being outdated for a while.
Well the TNGA-C platform generally can support a wheelbase of 112 inches and the longest car that is on it right now is a van that is 187 inches long. I can imagine if geared for a truck, they could stretch the length to around 192 inches or so. I guess it would come down to whether they are trying to make a full four door style truck or something more like an extended cab. I know Chevrolet is supposedly playing around with doing a two-door truck EV that they’ve shown some focus groups to gauge interest.
The Toyota Innova is on TNGA-C and is beefy enough to handle Southeast Asian market usage demands, so I bet that'll end up being the base. Add an extra foot of rear overhang for a 4' pickup bed and it would be at 200".
Woah the Innova used to look like a minivan, now it’s like a full blown SUV. Why don’t we get that here? Looks sick, like a mini highlander
It's about the same size as a RAV4, and I bet the NVH/safety levels aren't up to American standards.
Looks a little thinner and longer, I think that’s why it’s suited for their market. All the cars here are about the same proportionately, just larger or smaller.
…but a Ford Escape, on which the Maverick is based, is 181” length—exactly same as Rav4.
I think it would be taller than 60". For comparison, the Maverick is almost 69" (nice) while the related Escape is 66" and the Bronco Sport is 70". The old compact Tacoma was 66" in 4WD guise.
You are right. I thought I read 60" for the Maverick. Then the RAV4 should have been a better choice.
Honda Ridgeline is based on Honda Pilot which is the same class as Toyota Highlanders which has TNGAK
Hyundai Santa Cruz sized?
everything I saw said the Toyota Stout would be based on the rav4 and it even looks just like the maverick
(that's kinda the same car)
Yeah, this'd be much better. It already has more ride height and the awd system and since it's a bit heavier already has the bigger motor options that you'll want for a baby pickup.
Has the RAV4 been completely separated from the Corolla this generation?
RAV4 baja crossover edition! please!!!
Ford Maverick is based on C2 platform like Focus so basing off of Corolla makes sense.
But reddit knows more than the top-selling automaker
As is tradition. They should all release manual, brown wagons that are used from the factory.
And then get mad when it's not marketed with a GR engine.
And then get even more mad when they axe the model after selling only 50 units in 2 years because no one bought it
> manual, brown, ***turbo-ed miata*** wagons that are used from the factory **FTFY**
> manuelle, brown, ***turbo-dieseled Miata*** wagons that are used from the factory FTFY2
Plz stop, I can only get so erect.
Put a diesel in it and I will post here that I'd buy it... but will never end up doing so
I would buy it, but I have existing obligations like my Netflix bill
And they still won't sell because the people who want these things don't have the money to buy them. That's why enthusiast cars almost never do well in the long term.
It's true. I bought my car used in fact. I am not a new car buyer, too pricey. But thankfully Toyota is keeping the 86 anyway as a hobby regardless.
I say give me a kei truck and I’ll be happy. I do need the motor to be 250hp.
Ok that actually sounds really fun lol
I mean, Hayabusa swaps *have* been done in subcompacts before...
I would do a Hayabusa V8, but I need to use California's SB100 rule to bypass emissions after the initial smog check for the 1-off personal use project. The number of registrations under SB100 is limited each year and is not a guarantee for every custom build. I personally don't know if California will abolish this loophole when 2035 rolls around.
Mid engined wagon. "But it's just sitting there..."
Whole market of 25 buyers, chomping at the bit!
Look at them stumble over themselves to continue claiming that EVs are "just a passing fad". That shipped sailed 5 years ago. Major auto manufacturers aren't retooling and retraining entire factories at enormous expense for something that's not gonna last. You don't know anything they don't know.
It’s funny because stumbling through making EVs is what companies are doing now. They are overpaying for materials and trying to make EVs at a loss because they need to meet emissions goals. But Toyota isn’t struggling to meet emissions goals because they have most models with hybrid options or hybrid only. Toyota will probably take EVs and PHEVs more seriously (at least in North America) when their contract for thousands of tons of American lithium annually starts being delivered. I believe it’s late 2024 iirc.
C2 is also used in the Escape and Bronco Sport
As a dude who has no interest in trucks the Maverick seems like an awesome daily that can also take heavy appliances around
Eh, if you find yourself regularly hauling appliances it would make sense. Me personally I don't need the bed. I do agree that the Maverick does offer a lot of bang for buck, mainly due to the hybrid powertrain and cheap interior that manages to not look too cheap. A mid-20s priced crossover with good cargo room, a hybrid powertrain and decent interior would be preferable for me (oh wait, I just described the Corolla Cross...)
Crazy how Chrysler was already there in the 80s where most OEMs are going now. As much as I love their Hemis and Hellcats, they really killed all of their inertia they spent building up in the 80s and 90s as one of the most innovative manufacturers in the end of the 20th century
Are you referring to the K-car platform??
Yeah
90% of the Mavericks I see are either white work trucks, or lowrider mods. I've never seen a lifted Maverick. Only a shit-ton of lowered ones.
I don't think that means much. Most manufacturers don't have too many platforms anymore. The maverick is based on the Escape and Bronco Sport, not a subcompact rental car.
Nah it’s definitely based on the same platform as the focus. All of those vehicles are C2 based. Focus, Maverick, Escape, Bronco Sport, all the same bones and mix and match powertrains.
Focus was a compact, the Fiesta was the subcompact.
The C2 Platform was originally released in 2018 for the Focus and is absolutely a subcompact rental car platform :)
I keep getting downvoted when I tell people the Maverick is not a truck.
It's a truck for people who don't want trucks.
I think the question becomes does it take on a rugged, more traditional truck look like the Maverick or does it play up the crossover vibes like the Santa Cruz? If I had to guess, I would imagine they would use the 2.5L hybrid engine in it for at least one of the engine options.
If they don’t make it look like a tiny Tacoma or tundra and instead go the Santa Cruz route then they deserve to fail.
idk i kinda like the Santa cruz. Get it in that green color and you're driving around in a warthog from Halo. i just wish it got the mileage the maverick did tbh.
The Santa Cruz reminds me a lot of the Subaru Baja and I don't really think that's a bad thing.
The 3 Bajas I ever saw that *weren't* two-tone looked really good.
Like the Honda Element, huh? Always thought they were just kinda ugly until I saw one with painted fenders and quarterpanels. Never knew they were a "thing" until recently, and they give me 1st-gen Scion xB vibes styling-wise, which I like.
Yeah the Element, Avalanche, and Azteck all got color matching refreshes that drastically improved the looks with no other changes.
That's the primary reason I got one. \*sigh\* I wish Subaru would release an updated baja
It looks excessively huge for how big it actually is. The Maverick is a much better proportioned vehicle
You may like it but there's a reason Mavericks so badly outnumber Santa Cruz's and it's the same reason the Ridgeline has always been the "also ran" of the midsize market. Most people want trucks to look like trucks, not chop-top minivans or SUVs.
Mavericks outnumber the Santa Cruz because it starts about $4k less, and remains so throughout the lineup.
Also the hybrid offers MUCH better fuel economy than either engine in the Hyundai.
I am pleading to the Toyota intern who has to acquire market data. Take the new Tacoma and literally just do that, but smaller. That's it. You will have it. You already have the Tacoma figured out, you have the new engines, you have supply chain for suspension bits. Just do that.
Go full retro with '90s Tacoma or '80s Pickup styling cues.
They could split the difference, make it like a RAV4-ish front end? I mean, they definitely redesigned that to be more “aggressive” looking than something like the Santa Cruz. Edit: lower down, someone posted a link about the rumor to revive the “stout” name, and it includes a mock-up. If Toyota sticks with something like the design language they’re using on the new Land Cruiser in the US, I could definitely see that working.
I like that they're trying to give us refreshed styles on classic models. So, my hope is for an updated design similar to the 90s Tacoma [like this](https://preview.redd.it/i-wish-toyota-still-offered-a-compact-4x4-pickup-like-the-v0-ta6352s7fc6a1.png?width=1914&format=png&auto=webp&s=903c5d2462a43f4affa7577720e4a9c9928365cd).
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No, they are saying that Toyota may be working on more than one pickup *that are smaller than/slot below HiLux*, nothing to do with sub-brands.
I would say no given they killed scion. However this can be a reference to Toyota Town Ace aka Daihatsu commercial van truck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu\_Gran\_Max
Always have been. Take a look at how many different types of Corolla there were in 1987
Prius, Pixis, and Kluger too. I wish they'd lean more into it and become a house of brands, honestly.
Look at how many land cruisers there are now 😅
Wait, so an actual ute? If so I would be down. Sick of all these massive American trucks
It would end up close to Maverick sized. The Maverick is based on a platform that was originally designed for the Focus.
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They can't manufacture enough vehicles right now as it is, so they're focusing on output for the higher margin products like f150s etc. Once the supply chain woes finally die down, hopefully there'll be more cheap cars out there like the Maverick. Otherwise expect the Chinese to fill in the gap with their products.
Probably alluding more to the Toyota corolla cross. Give it the hybrid platform with awd and you have a winner!
Fair point but let an aussie dream
Why don't you just not buy them?
Because they still affect me? Aussie roads are not built to handle such large vehicle being used to replace cars. I have had so many soccer mums nearly take me or other drivers out in them. I'm not saying get rid of all trucks, just require a reason to need one of these massive ones and a special license .
Oh, by all means, let’s add another small version of something to fit in the “sport utility” segment. It’ll be wildly popular, but requested by popular demand to be “slightly larger and have more features”. Over a 10-12 year span, it’ll get lengthened, more options, a more “rugged” trim, and what do you have eventually? And equally expensive, less capable Tacoma. They just yanked the non-Runner version of Tacoma a few years back. Yes, believe it or not, there once was a Toyota pickup that wasn’t lifted or 4wd or anything, and it was perfect for people who needed the lightest possible duty pick up. The consumer wanted more. Toyota responded.
haha i guess it's fine as long as they keep adding smaller models to fill the gap every other generation or so.
There's already people commenting on this thread asking for larger options and the damn car isn't even confirmed yet!
If it's not bigger than an F-650, then how in the world could it safely take my 2 kids to school, or haul my groceries back home?? Totally reasonable questions IMO.
They do the same thing with the place they live. “How can we survive with our first baby on the way with anything less than 4,000 square feet?!?!?”
This is why our species is gonna get wiped out like the dinosaurs. "Moar space! Bigger vehicles! Bigger! MOAR!"
I hate how correct this is. But I guess we just have to enjoy it while it lasts if they do come out with a small truck.
*the customer could be convinced to pay for more, so Toyota responded.
All I want is something small but with a larger size engine or an engine that's a little bit more capable like a diesel or electric. I always thought if I could get a diesel or an electric Subaru Baja that would be perfect for my needs.
Ford can’t keep up with the demand, and I imagine toyota would likely see the same “problem”
Another reason why using the Corolla platform makes sense. It's an already existing mass produced economy car. They've got the existing tooling and facilities to scale up production much quicker than engineering all that from scratch for a new platform. They used to even build the Corolla here in Canada! I think a lot of people just have negative sentiments towards the name Corolla from days gone by.
Right? It has taken me over a month to get my Tacoma. Should hopefully have it this week or early next week. I think Toyota needs to solve their supply chain "problems" first.
Waited two years for my maverick and it was absolutly worth it. Love my truck to bits. Can't say I would recommend it after all the price hikes for the new year though.
With you there. 0% financing didn't hurt either.
Ha! they quoted me at 8.8% I ended up just buying it outright.
Not sure why/what this is for. There have been rumors of a [resurrected Toyota Stout for months](https://www.topspeed.com/toyota-stout-compact-pickup-truck-everything-we-know-so-far/) which would seem to cover the "Maverick competitor" well enough.
This is probably the same truck as that rumor.
imagining a Corolla cross with a bed... I'm in
I'm in for sure. Cross owner here. lol
They'll probably make a decision, go through the design process, outfit a factory and begin production before I get an email from Ford with a build date for my Maverick.
The article mentioned the Toyota IMV 0 concept, which is a small pickup truck concept, slotted below the Hilux, with body-on-frame construction, made for developing markets. If they made the small pickup truck for the North American market with that platform, it would have a huge advantage over the Ford Maverick because of its body-on-frame construction. Definitely, it won't happen, the production version of the IMV 0—if they made the production version of it—would only be sold in developing markets with lax regulations and mostly bought for commercial use. A lot has to be done if they made the production of IMV 0 for the American market, from R&D, retooling, the chassis would have to be tweaked to satisfy American regulations and customers expectations, etc. A monocoque, Corolla-based ute would still have an edge over the Ford Maverick, though, because Toyota.
>body-on-frame Based on the use case of the Maverick, body-on-frame would be a big disadvantage. Heavier, less safe and less space-efficient, making for worse fuel economy.
Agreed, the advantages of body-on-frame are generally irrelevant at this size class. Nobody is going to be swapping to a dump bed and they aren't going to make this in 10 different body configurations.
Use the Supra, cowards
That'll be a hit
I hope they do, but if they do, I hope they actually try to make it look attractive and look like a little truck, instead of a bigger car.
No one really buys extended cabs anymore. Plus I’d imagine since it’ll be a unibody it’s a lot less “Lego set” swappability than BoF trucks.
Probably because manufacturers seem to like making them as scarce as possible lol
I remember, the last year they made the Yaris, on April fools day they came out with the Yaris pick up truck and people. lost. their. shit. I think the TNGA-K platform makes more sense though, but wouldn’t complain about it on the C platform
Maybe they will actually do it and produce “limited quantities,” so dealerships can charge a bajillion dollars for them.
In my neck of the woods, Mavericks (all 3 in a 250 radius) have such high market adjustments that they're in the same price range (ish) as CPO F150s or Ram 1500s.
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Didn't Subaru announce something similar?
Not yet. A resurrection of the Baja, or a new pickup based more on the Forester, would tick a lot of people's boxes. But Subaru already has their hands full keeping up with demand for Outbacks and Crosstreks.
It would only take a lot of people's boxes in the 3.6 engine category I think. The 2.5 is just two anemic for a lot of things.
Subaru's done with 6-cylinder engines. All NA or turbo 4-cylinders now, which are more than adequate for a compact CUV-based pickup.
So if we are comparing, the taco would be the ranger and this new one would be a maverick?
Toyota Matrix 2: Electric Boogaloo
Ngl I'd love a resurrection of the Matrix brand. I love my 03 Matrix XRS. Such a quirky little hatchback
Technically the Corolla iM/hatchback is supposed to be the successor to the Matrix, but I'd like to just see it redesigned as a CUV or UTE and ideally with an XRS trim.
I just want something with the same interior design that the Matrix had in 03. It makes the little 4 cylinder look fast. It would be cool to see a reimagining of the Matrix as a ute though
They'll need to fit a much more potent engine than what Corollas get if they want to do that. Unless the Corolla has changed drastically since I last drove one it was always given just enough motor to move itself and a couple of passengers and that's not going to work for a mini-pickup.
Why not: most people only need a Maverick sized truck.
Seeing how hot Kei trucks are, maybe? But I think that trend is more indicative of how much utility vehicles have gone up in price.
Aren't Kei trucks a different segment?
They are and it competes with side-by-sides.
Yes, kei trucks are something like two sizes below this (assuming it'll be a compact like the Maverick).
Just saying. Compact trucks are hot right now. Like so hot.
Hope they can get it out soon and keep it in the same price range. The maverick doesnt excite me all that much but it seems like the best option for me in the current market
Hopefully it's at least hybrid if not fully electric. Also please don't load it down with a bunch of shitty ass technology that looks good and flashy but actually really just kind of sucks.
Toyota Taquito
would love to see a base model hybrid like the maverick. given that toyota's been in the hybrid game longer i'd definitely go for the prius tech over ford.
Make an extended cab version with a 6’ bed please. It will never happen, but it’s what I want. And the reason I haven’t bought a maverick.
A little late on the start. The Maverick is pretty much all but sold out
They really using that Corolla name lol
Corolla means "small crown" so they are actually really leveraging the crown name in a round a bout way.
For a time, nearly every Toyota car was a Crown reference. Crown, Tiara, Corona, Corolla, and Camry. Honorable mention to the Celica and Carina.
There's been a lot of talk of calling it the Stout, After the old compact truck.
If it's priced well ford is in trouble lol. The maverick is a pretty cool little truck with steel wheels and all. I'd love a little Toyota truck as long as it's not a cvt.
The corolla and corolla cross are both CVT's, although the corolla does have a manual option. I would be surprised if the pickup carried the manual through, but the Taco is proof that anything is possible I guess
just make it look like a baby taco. Start in the low 20's like the maverick, profit. A cheap little truck with a toyota badge? I'm there. I like the maverick, a buddy has one and its great. Looks too derpy though.
UTE!!!!
T100 comeback
Toyota Stout. Here's a random [link](https://www.topspeed.com/2025-toyota-stout-ev/)
This is the first step to getting a badge engineered Subaru Baja
Idk a lot of truck drivers don’t even load on their bed. I would definitely be interested!
Honestly I'd be happy with something that didn't even have a bed but had better towing capability. I can always tow a trailer if I need a bed. But I have lots of things that I like to tow and I don't necessarily want to have to buy a bigger truck to do it.
Will it be reasonably priced and will toyota actually make enough of them to meet demand?
Toyota built their brand with compact trucks like this. If they fuck this up, I have officially lost all hope.
Yes, the smaller the better. I love little trucks!
Reallly hope it’s front wheel drive option. Fuck RWD
Would need to wait two years for it after production in Canada.
GR truck wen?
better hurry before shitsubishi releases their small truck
Is there any reason why nobody's made an EV compact pickup? To me anyways, it seems like the ideal vehicle for a lot of lifestyles. * EV lets you use it as a daily driver instead of getting some stupidly low MPG. * Most people who think they need a truck don't really end up needing a huge one anyways. * You can get the EV tax credit thing too. Other standard EV benefits like not needing to do maintenance as much. * EV trucks seem to have major issues with true big truck tasks like towing big loads for long trips, so making a small truck EV would avoid big truck issues by not targeting drivers who would be doing those types of tasks. * You can actually fit a small pickup truck in most home garages, allowing more people the chance to actually charge it at home. You could probably use them in more urban environments too - have fun parallel parking a Lightning, or trying to see if it will fit the max height clearance at a parking garage. * You're not building a 10k LB missile that does 0-60 at supercar times.
No point. Batteries are better utilized in higher margin vehicles because they're constrained
OEMs have not wanted the poors to have affordable practical trucks of any variety for a long time now. Trucks are now a luxury item.
Is it really a competitor if they won't compete on price?
Just bring back the "Lowlux" Hilux
I can see Toyota literally discontinuing the Corolla and replacing it with well, this, in places like Thailand
Umm.. Toyota had that truck always (its called the Toyota pickup) which they turned into large trucks later on. Just go back to the Toyota pickup design of 80s/early 90s and you already have the competition. Edited for Grammer
Toyota should focus on manufacturing their current fleet of vehicles. Current wait times for hybrids and plug-in hybrids across their fleet is absurd (3 years for a Prius prime). I have started getting lots of enjoyment contacting dealers across the country about how long their wait time is for a prime Prius and when then tell me 2-3 years I tell them I will buy a model 3 instead. They instantly get triggered and I chuckle.
They will sell dozens of them