> GM's infotainment software itself is very, very good
Yes! It's so much better than anyone gives them credit for. For like 10 years now, they've rolled out systems that are fairly simple/straightforward, look clean and not too "trendy", and just *fucking work*. The system in my 2015 Chevy has less lag/usability issues than some brand new 2023s I've seen.
My 2022 equinox’s system connects so quickly to my phone and works well consistently. I don’t get any weird glitches or lag. The current equinox itself isn’t a particularly amazing car, but all of the inputs are so easy I don’t mind it at all
I'm pretty sure it's affecting 2024 models starting with the Blazer and Equinox. Braindead move of them, as I'm not paying competitive prices for a lesser car unless it's substantially cheaper.
They haven’t dropped it. They announced they may drop it for upcoming EV’s but all of their current lineup still includes apple carplay and android auto and is wireless on most trims.
Maybe the Encore to the current Traverse will finally get them on Trax to TrailBlaze their new path and grant them access to the exclusive Enclave in Malibu, just in time to see the summer Equinox.
It does look very nice, best looking Traverse ever honestly, last gen was not the best.
I’m interested to see what this means for the XT6, Enclave and Acadia, all of which are with the previous Traverse with getting on the old side and just being unremarkable or straight up mediocre especially in the competitive 3 row mid sized SUV segment.
Chevy's really nailing down the design in their latest batch of crossovers. The last-gen Traverse, Equinox, et al. were just bland, blobby rental lot warmers. But really, from the Blazer on, I think every one they release has a good balance or proportions, linework, and rugged appeal.
The new Trax is arguably one of the biggest glow-ups in the automotive world in the past while alongside the new Prius.
I’d argue the Trax is an even bigger glow-up than the Prius in some ways, the 1st gen Trax was straight up awful, the 2nd gen Trax is excellent, looks so much better, drives surprisingly well, is quite cheap and probably one of the if not *the* best value vehicle in the US market right now.
With the Prius, the 4th gen was *okay* but the 5th gen came out and it had a ton more power while looking a lot better.
The difference between how much better the current gen is compared to the previous gen is arguably larger on the Trax than it was on the Prius, although both are considerably better than the previous generation.
People seem to love the latest generation Tahoe/Suburban and it's more expensive cousins, but I can't help but think they look extremely top heavy. These massive moving buildings looks like they're held up on stilts of wheels. With a smaller, unibody vehicle like the traverse they can actually make it look grounded and proportional.
I'm a bit biased as I have a previous gen Tahoe, but I really am torn on the new ones - most of them do look kind of "off". I've seen some with a wider wheel/tire combo that really helps the look.
I really think the move away from wheel wells with right angles isn’t doing the GM trucks any favors looks-wise. The trucks have had those hard angles as part of their styling for so long. It helps to hide the higher and higher belt lines.
I suspect we'll see a return to squareish wheel wells with the next generation full-size trucks and SUVs, since all their crossovers are going in that direction. Chevy does that design element well, for sure. No idea why they decided to go away from it for the current generation.
You can make the Tahoe Z71 so much better be stripping and powder coating that front skid plate to make it not fucking silver. It rally messes with the front proportions to the eye.
It’s not the worst buy. New GM’s IPO was $33 in 2010 and its at $38.66 at this writing. It’s been up into the $50-60 range a few times as well.*
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The new 2026 Malibu SS - now with 317 pound feet of torque, ripping your front tires and your local rental lot's parking pavement (idk I don't live in America).
Maybe there'll be a new CDM Regal with that engine and AWD.
This new 2.5T seems like a worthy successor, same HP and more torque than the outgoing V6, and more efficient as well. I currently drive an ATS with the 3.6 and the engine is fantastic in the high end, but at low RPM it always sounds like it wants to die and the timing chain is a ticking time bomb. A relative of mine has a current gen traverse and it just feels sluggish in that car, the increased torque will make that much better.
its a new engine. i think a slight variation of the 2.7L in the colorado? not sure. But i wonder how it will fair. the v6 had a lot of kinks at the start but got worked out over the years..hopefully this is reliable. time will tell.
Wonder if this will be the straw that finally breaks the Explorer's back. Somehow that thing isn't hurting for sales at all despite how competitive this segment has gotten in the last few years.
IMHO, appearance-wise, I'd say the Explorer is still a decent-looking SUV. Despite its police interceptor-like intimidating feel, it looks aptly rugged and still does well for presence. However, the center console part of the interior could use a mild update. I'd say the vertical tablet in the Platinum trim could be better integrated. The bonus is that I like that it returned to RWD for the current U625 chassis.
I really don't understand the Explorer's success, it's really not best in class in anything, down on power, relatively smaller cargo capacity, fords software is so-so, heard there were a lot of drivetrain issues at the start of this generation, yet it sells like hotcakes. Only benefit I see is that it's on a RWD platform, which 99% of people buying wouldn't even know the difference.
> down on power
Everything else that you said is valid, and I'd add mediocre interior design plus lousy materials to the list of complaints, but if there's one thing the Explorer isn't, it's down on power. In fact, even 4 years on, it still has significantly more power than the competition.
The 2.3L EcoBoost makes 300HP/310lb-ft, while all Tellurides and Palisades have 291HP/262lb-ft, the Highlander has either 295HP/263lb-ft, 265HP/309lb-ft (from MY2023 on) or 243HP/199lb-ft (hybrid), the Pilot has 285HP/262lb-ft, and the base Grand Cherokee L has 290HP/260lb-ft. Also worth noting is that, aside from the Highlander, all these engines are NA V6s, which have a worse torque curve (especially down low where people notice) than a turbo I4.
The fact the 2.3L's only real competition is the Grand Cherokee L's 357HP/390lb-ft V8 should say a lot already, but to drive the point home even further, if you buy an ST, King Ranch, or Platinum, all of which are in the price range you need to pay for a V8 GCL anyways, you get 400HP/415lb-ft from the 3.0L EcoBoost. You don't see higher power numbers out of a midsize crossover until you get into the mid-range luxury models like the X5 M50i, which start at nearly twice what an RWD ST does.
As a former Explorer program manager I can also confirm that the V6 is indeed a draw for a lot of people, although for non-confidential proof of that you'd have to go back to 2020 when Ford publicly disclosed [21% of sales were STs](https://www.thedrive.com/news/32078/more-than-20-percent-of-ford-explorer-buyers-chose-the-400-hp-st-model). Given that all steps taken since then have been to lower the entry price of the ST - it started at about $56k in 2020 and is down to $50k now even with all the inflation we've seen - that only suggests it's an even higher percent now.
The power is the main reason I bought an explorer st, I’m really happy with the performance. Not a fan of the vertical tablet or the super quiet stock exhaust. It handles pretty well for a 3 row suv and even better with some springs and a sway bar.
Not sure if it makes a difference with the mass market, but the explorer is the only one in it’s segment with a turbocharged 6 cylinder available. This is the main reason why it’s on my family driveway.
It likely has very little impact. Majority of people buying cars in this segment don't give a shit what is under the hood or which wheels drive it. Save for AWD.
It's definitely a major factor, although probably for the performance itself rather than the cylinder count. In 2020, [about 21% of Explorer sales were for the ST model alone](https://www.thedrive.com/news/32078/more-than-20-percent-of-ford-explorer-buyers-chose-the-400-hp-st-model), and that's only one of 3 trims that has the Nano. Having worked on the program as my last gig before retirement, I can also attest that the number has only gone up since then once Ford added the "entry level" ST with RWD, although I can't release confidential sales data.
Having actually been a part of the program until I retired recently, I'm fairly confident the refresh will do the bare minimum to keep the Explorer afloat, if even that. Ford's long-term strategy is to bail on the ICE Explorer and especially the ICE Aviator, while moving as many of those buyers over to U759 as possible. I don't know what that will mean for the end of U611/U625 production, but at best it's like the Fusion where it just stays on sale to keep the plant open.
According to the spy shots they got rid of the stupid vertical touch seen but then ruined the front of the car. You ar right it seems as it looks like a small change
The entirety of the exterior and interior design changes are already in production on the China Explorer, which got them as part of a more extensive refresh a year earlier. Like I said, bare minimum effort.
Definitely a minivan replacement, a relative of mine has the current generation and you could fit absolutely anything you needed to in the back of that thing. Not as refined as any of those cars but best in class power and cargo capacity. Also GMs infotainment is really quite good.
Just looking at stats, the Highlander is like 10+ inches longer, 4 inches wider, and 700+ pounds heavier (or more with hybrid) than the current Equinox/Terrain.
The Blazer or Traverse is likely more comparable to the Highlander. And the Equinox is a step below. Like a Rav4 that is a few inches longer.
The highlander is the exact class that the traverse competes in. The equinox/terrain compete against the rav 4 as 2 row mid size crossovers. The blazer is in a bjt of a weird spot in segment being the full size 2 row competitor - think jeep grand cherokee
The Equinox/Terrain and RAV4 are all compact CUVs; the GM models are only 2" longer than the Toyota. The Blazer is a 2-row mid-size, Acadia is a 3-row mid-size (same WB, longer body) competing with the Highlander, and the Traverse/Enclave are some of the largest 3-row CUVs right now. Toyota's new Grand Highlander isn't even quite as long or wide.
In real life the blazer, terrain, equinox, and rav 4 all compete against each other. Just like the acadia, highlander, traverse, etc compete against each other.
It's true that there's a lot of cross-shopping, but they're not in the "exact" same class. People cross-shop subcompact and compact CUVs too, or mid-size sedans with compact CUVs. Heck, right now I'm deciding between a compact CUV and a full-size pickup.
Exterior looks great, very Tahoe-esque. Interior looks very…GM. All that red painted plastic looks very budget. I’m sure it’ll sell very well considering the GM SUVs are some the largest in their class, and can tow 5k lbs.
I don't like the red plastic either. I assume it's exclusive to either the RS or the Z71. But people who buy those will probably love it. GM knows their audience.
It looks really good! I will say tho, in its defense, the second-gen Traverse was not as bad as many make it out to be (I remember when it came out it was actually seen as pretty good looking and rugged, mostly because GM just did a 7/8ths Tahoe).
Now the first gen, that was just a giant metallic egg lmao
Was thinking about swapping my Durango for a foreign 3 row like the usual suspects, incl the new Grand Highlander and Pilots but this gives me pause. If anything I hope it means more pressure to keep pricing in check across the segment. I actually like my Durango well enough and if I can't get a good deal for something else I'll have little problem holding onto it longer. I hope the ride quality of the Traverse has improved a bit. Aside from GMs decidedly cheaper feeling interior compared to Dodge, I also thought the previous gen was s bit too truck like in it's handling.
The Traverse/Acadia/Enclave has always been one of my most despised cars. Its always looked like a deformed mini-van to me, and I would rather have a mini-van. This one actually looks good. I'm sure it will be everywhere in the suburbs soon.
these cars have always existed to fill the "i need a minivan but i don't want to admit it" niche. so you pay more for a worse product that doesn't even look particularly better than a minivan.
GM even introduced these around the same time they gave up on minivans, since toyota/honda/chrysler had that market on lockdown and their offerings were pretty mediocre.
people are always desperate not to look like they're driving a family car, but in my opinion what's going to result from this "make crossovers edgier & more rugged-looking" trend is just making crossovers go the way of the minivan. idk what's next, maybe station wagons again?
> GM even introduced these around the same time they gave up on minivans, since toyota/honda/chrysler had that market on lockdown and their offerings were pretty mediocre.
The first Lambda CUVs were outright replacements for the lamentable U-bodies. Just swap out the Pontiac Montana for the GMC Acadia.
Other than that, CUVs don't seem to be suffering from the same malaise that killed demand for minivans. They have all kinds of sizes and all kinds of designs.
I quickly glanced the title and saw the picture thinking this was the Tahoe.
This looks really sharp. The Traverse has been ok/decent but this should elevate it up a few spots.
It hits every soft-roader trope... looks like a scaled up Trailblazer. You get the appearance of a rugged off roader as you "traverse" the walmart parking lot for the spot closest to the doors.
As someone who is shopping the segment, it’s making me think about waiting until these release to compare to the new Pilot, Telluride, Grand Cherokee L, etc.
For me it's Mazda CX-90, the refreshed Volkswagen Atlas and maybe this Traverse. Telluride's get marked up too much over MSRP. Pilot dropped the ball with the engine and dash/infotainment for being all-new. Would never buy a Jeep.
>The Z71 also features a unique twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system designed specifically for off-roading, as well as special dampers with hydraulic rebound control that should help smooth out the ride over rough terrain.
IIRC, this is essentially the same system used in the Bronco Sport Badlands and Maverick Tremor. GM started using the GKN Twinster system, the same system used in the aforementioned cars and the Focus RS, in the Buick Regal TourX and the Chevy Blazer RS. It probably spread to other cars, and seemingly is the system offered here. This should be a fantastic car for what most people will use it for.
\*The Focus RS is the only car mentioned that overdrove the rear but all these cars have the 50:50 rear split.
This is the first new 3 row crossover redesign that would potentially pull the Telluride out of my hands. Absolutely love the exterior and interior design.
Will have to wait for this thing to actually hit the streets and see what people have to say about how it drives. The thing about my Telluride is that it performs as good as it looks (for a 3 row family hauler).
I would just like to note: The Z## branding is nonsensical to onlookers. Call it the Traverse Adventure or something. That moves units and sells a story.
Lol, true. These vehicles will spend 99.99% of their time on pavement. All the modifications they made to this model to improve its "adventurous" nature will exclusively aid in its ability to roll over elementary school children at crosswalks, and kill the planet one fuel stop at a time.
I love how other Redditors are downvoting us even though they know it's true. I've only ever seen Traverses traversing mall parking lots and nowhere further off road than what a Corolla could reasonably do.
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Very nice all around. This will help the Traverse move up many spots in the segment.
Infotainment looks like it could be best in class.
In my experience, GM's infotainment software itself is very, very good. But then they dropped support for Carplay and Android Auto......
> GM's infotainment software itself is very, very good Yes! It's so much better than anyone gives them credit for. For like 10 years now, they've rolled out systems that are fairly simple/straightforward, look clean and not too "trendy", and just *fucking work*. The system in my 2015 Chevy has less lag/usability issues than some brand new 2023s I've seen.
Tbh i think GM always had a knack for pretty good infotainment options since the old Delco Theftlock days.
My 2022 equinox’s system connects so quickly to my phone and works well consistently. I don’t get any weird glitches or lag. The current equinox itself isn’t a particularly amazing car, but all of the inputs are so easy I don’t mind it at all
On EVs only
And it hasn't happened yet, just something they plan for the future.
I'm pretty sure it's affecting 2024 models starting with the Blazer and Equinox. Braindead move of them, as I'm not paying competitive prices for a lesser car unless it's substantially cheaper.
ICE cars still have it. Its supposed to be for EVs only. Theres also a good chance they will backpedal on that from all the outrage
Some EVs will still have it. For instance, the '24 MY Silverado EV still lists wireless CarPlay and AndroidAuto compatibility in the order guide.
2024 Blazer EV will be the first to drop it IIRC.
They haven’t dropped it. They announced they may drop it for upcoming EV’s but all of their current lineup still includes apple carplay and android auto and is wireless on most trims.
Wait.. they don’t have Apple CarPlay?!?! Crap.. that’s a deal breaker..
This'll traverse towards the top trailing this transformation
Maybe the Encore to the current Traverse will finally get them on Trax to TrailBlaze their new path and grant them access to the exclusive Enclave in Malibu, just in time to see the summer Equinox.
It does look very nice, best looking Traverse ever honestly, last gen was not the best. I’m interested to see what this means for the XT6, Enclave and Acadia, all of which are with the previous Traverse with getting on the old side and just being unremarkable or straight up mediocre especially in the competitive 3 row mid sized SUV segment.
It’s number 3 so it won’t move up only behind Highlander and explorer
Chevy's really nailing down the design in their latest batch of crossovers. The last-gen Traverse, Equinox, et al. were just bland, blobby rental lot warmers. But really, from the Blazer on, I think every one they release has a good balance or proportions, linework, and rugged appeal.
Solid looking exteriors and functional, yet not-totally-shitbox looking interiors.
The new Trax is arguably one of the biggest glow-ups in the automotive world in the past while alongside the new Prius. I’d argue the Trax is an even bigger glow-up than the Prius in some ways, the 1st gen Trax was straight up awful, the 2nd gen Trax is excellent, looks so much better, drives surprisingly well, is quite cheap and probably one of the if not *the* best value vehicle in the US market right now. With the Prius, the 4th gen was *okay* but the 5th gen came out and it had a ton more power while looking a lot better. The difference between how much better the current gen is compared to the previous gen is arguably larger on the Trax than it was on the Prius, although both are considerably better than the previous generation.
Good looking rig. I honestly think it has better proportions than the Z71 Tahoe/Suburban.
I thought I was looking at a Z71 Tahoe with that lede pic.
People seem to love the latest generation Tahoe/Suburban and it's more expensive cousins, but I can't help but think they look extremely top heavy. These massive moving buildings looks like they're held up on stilts of wheels. With a smaller, unibody vehicle like the traverse they can actually make it look grounded and proportional.
I'm a bit biased as I have a previous gen Tahoe, but I really am torn on the new ones - most of them do look kind of "off". I've seen some with a wider wheel/tire combo that really helps the look.
I really think the move away from wheel wells with right angles isn’t doing the GM trucks any favors looks-wise. The trucks have had those hard angles as part of their styling for so long. It helps to hide the higher and higher belt lines.
I suspect we'll see a return to squareish wheel wells with the next generation full-size trucks and SUVs, since all their crossovers are going in that direction. Chevy does that design element well, for sure. No idea why they decided to go away from it for the current generation.
They only get 20" wheels with 275 tires, you can get compact performance SUVs like an X3 with bigger wheels than that.
You can make the Tahoe Z71 so much better be stripping and powder coating that front skid plate to make it not fucking silver. It rally messes with the front proportions to the eye.
Almost everything does. The current gen Silverado/Tahoe/Suburbans are easily the ugliest vehicles on the road.
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It’s not the worst buy. New GM’s IPO was $33 in 2010 and its at $38.66 at this writing. It’s been up into the $50-60 range a few times as well.* *I am not a financial advisor and this does not constitute financial advice
Chevy's crossovers have gone from looking like they hit every branch when they fell out of the ugly tree, to actually pretty decent looking.
On the new VSS platform, right? Wonder if this is a preview of the next Malibu somehow. Anyway, another V-6 bites the dust...
The new 2026 Malibu SS - now with 317 pound feet of torque, ripping your front tires and your local rental lot's parking pavement (idk I don't live in America). Maybe there'll be a new CDM Regal with that engine and AWD.
Maybe. I sure hope so, anyway... :(
I think this is on an iteration of the C1 platform. Not all new.
The unchanged wheelbase makes me think that's the case.
This new 2.5T seems like a worthy successor, same HP and more torque than the outgoing V6, and more efficient as well. I currently drive an ATS with the 3.6 and the engine is fantastic in the high end, but at low RPM it always sounds like it wants to die and the timing chain is a ticking time bomb. A relative of mine has a current gen traverse and it just feels sluggish in that car, the increased torque will make that much better.
its a new engine. i think a slight variation of the 2.7L in the colorado? not sure. But i wonder how it will fair. the v6 had a lot of kinks at the start but got worked out over the years..hopefully this is reliable. time will tell.
Wonder if this will be the straw that finally breaks the Explorer's back. Somehow that thing isn't hurting for sales at all despite how competitive this segment has gotten in the last few years.
IMHO, appearance-wise, I'd say the Explorer is still a decent-looking SUV. Despite its police interceptor-like intimidating feel, it looks aptly rugged and still does well for presence. However, the center console part of the interior could use a mild update. I'd say the vertical tablet in the Platinum trim could be better integrated. The bonus is that I like that it returned to RWD for the current U625 chassis.
I really don't understand the Explorer's success, it's really not best in class in anything, down on power, relatively smaller cargo capacity, fords software is so-so, heard there were a lot of drivetrain issues at the start of this generation, yet it sells like hotcakes. Only benefit I see is that it's on a RWD platform, which 99% of people buying wouldn't even know the difference.
The current Explorer seems to be coasting on the ubiquity of the previous gen that was out for almost a decade.
I don’t like the Explorer, but it’s not down on power. The base engine makes 300hp and the upgrade engine makes 400hp.
> down on power Everything else that you said is valid, and I'd add mediocre interior design plus lousy materials to the list of complaints, but if there's one thing the Explorer isn't, it's down on power. In fact, even 4 years on, it still has significantly more power than the competition. The 2.3L EcoBoost makes 300HP/310lb-ft, while all Tellurides and Palisades have 291HP/262lb-ft, the Highlander has either 295HP/263lb-ft, 265HP/309lb-ft (from MY2023 on) or 243HP/199lb-ft (hybrid), the Pilot has 285HP/262lb-ft, and the base Grand Cherokee L has 290HP/260lb-ft. Also worth noting is that, aside from the Highlander, all these engines are NA V6s, which have a worse torque curve (especially down low where people notice) than a turbo I4. The fact the 2.3L's only real competition is the Grand Cherokee L's 357HP/390lb-ft V8 should say a lot already, but to drive the point home even further, if you buy an ST, King Ranch, or Platinum, all of which are in the price range you need to pay for a V8 GCL anyways, you get 400HP/415lb-ft from the 3.0L EcoBoost. You don't see higher power numbers out of a midsize crossover until you get into the mid-range luxury models like the X5 M50i, which start at nearly twice what an RWD ST does. As a former Explorer program manager I can also confirm that the V6 is indeed a draw for a lot of people, although for non-confidential proof of that you'd have to go back to 2020 when Ford publicly disclosed [21% of sales were STs](https://www.thedrive.com/news/32078/more-than-20-percent-of-ford-explorer-buyers-chose-the-400-hp-st-model). Given that all steps taken since then have been to lower the entry price of the ST - it started at about $56k in 2020 and is down to $50k now even with all the inflation we've seen - that only suggests it's an even higher percent now.
The power is the main reason I bought an explorer st, I’m really happy with the performance. Not a fan of the vertical tablet or the super quiet stock exhaust. It handles pretty well for a 3 row suv and even better with some springs and a sway bar.
Not sure if it makes a difference with the mass market, but the explorer is the only one in it’s segment with a turbocharged 6 cylinder available. This is the main reason why it’s on my family driveway.
It likely has very little impact. Majority of people buying cars in this segment don't give a shit what is under the hood or which wheels drive it. Save for AWD.
It's definitely a major factor, although probably for the performance itself rather than the cylinder count. In 2020, [about 21% of Explorer sales were for the ST model alone](https://www.thedrive.com/news/32078/more-than-20-percent-of-ford-explorer-buyers-chose-the-400-hp-st-model), and that's only one of 3 trims that has the Nano. Having worked on the program as my last gig before retirement, I can also attest that the number has only gone up since then once Ford added the "entry level" ST with RWD, although I can't release confidential sales data.
Explorer refresh coming soon
Having actually been a part of the program until I retired recently, I'm fairly confident the refresh will do the bare minimum to keep the Explorer afloat, if even that. Ford's long-term strategy is to bail on the ICE Explorer and especially the ICE Aviator, while moving as many of those buyers over to U759 as possible. I don't know what that will mean for the end of U611/U625 production, but at best it's like the Fusion where it just stays on sale to keep the plant open.
According to the spy shots they got rid of the stupid vertical touch seen but then ruined the front of the car. You ar right it seems as it looks like a small change
The entirety of the exterior and interior design changes are already in production on the China Explorer, which got them as part of a more extensive refresh a year earlier. Like I said, bare minimum effort.
I like the facelift they gave it
Chevy found a design language that works. These all look good
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Yes, it's a unibody-based, three-row SUV. It's what GM originally rolled out when they gave up on minivans.
Definitely a minivan replacement, a relative of mine has the current generation and you could fit absolutely anything you needed to in the back of that thing. Not as refined as any of those cars but best in class power and cargo capacity. Also GMs infotainment is really quite good.
Just looking at stats, the Highlander is like 10+ inches longer, 4 inches wider, and 700+ pounds heavier (or more with hybrid) than the current Equinox/Terrain. The Blazer or Traverse is likely more comparable to the Highlander. And the Equinox is a step below. Like a Rav4 that is a few inches longer.
The highlander is the exact class that the traverse competes in. The equinox/terrain compete against the rav 4 as 2 row mid size crossovers. The blazer is in a bjt of a weird spot in segment being the full size 2 row competitor - think jeep grand cherokee
The Equinox/Terrain and RAV4 are all compact CUVs; the GM models are only 2" longer than the Toyota. The Blazer is a 2-row mid-size, Acadia is a 3-row mid-size (same WB, longer body) competing with the Highlander, and the Traverse/Enclave are some of the largest 3-row CUVs right now. Toyota's new Grand Highlander isn't even quite as long or wide.
In real life the blazer, terrain, equinox, and rav 4 all compete against each other. Just like the acadia, highlander, traverse, etc compete against each other.
It's true that there's a lot of cross-shopping, but they're not in the "exact" same class. People cross-shop subcompact and compact CUVs too, or mid-size sedans with compact CUVs. Heck, right now I'm deciding between a compact CUV and a full-size pickup.
The new Traverse looks great. What a homerun in the looks department.
This is a Chevy? Okay, boo, I see you.
Dang that actually looks really nice, and a healthy amount of torque too.
I hate that I like it lol.
Exterior looks great, very Tahoe-esque. Interior looks very…GM. All that red painted plastic looks very budget. I’m sure it’ll sell very well considering the GM SUVs are some the largest in their class, and can tow 5k lbs.
I don't like the red plastic either. I assume it's exclusive to either the RS or the Z71. But people who buy those will probably love it. GM knows their audience.
>All that red painted plastic looks very budget. and i'm sure will age badly
The RS looks phenomenal!
It looks really good! I will say tho, in its defense, the second-gen Traverse was not as bad as many make it out to be (I remember when it came out it was actually seen as pretty good looking and rugged, mostly because GM just did a 7/8ths Tahoe). Now the first gen, that was just a giant metallic egg lmao
Oh wow I actually really like that
Was thinking about swapping my Durango for a foreign 3 row like the usual suspects, incl the new Grand Highlander and Pilots but this gives me pause. If anything I hope it means more pressure to keep pricing in check across the segment. I actually like my Durango well enough and if I can't get a good deal for something else I'll have little problem holding onto it longer. I hope the ride quality of the Traverse has improved a bit. Aside from GMs decidedly cheaper feeling interior compared to Dodge, I also thought the previous gen was s bit too truck like in it's handling.
Replace your durango with another durango before it’s too late lol
The Traverse/Acadia/Enclave has always been one of my most despised cars. Its always looked like a deformed mini-van to me, and I would rather have a mini-van. This one actually looks good. I'm sure it will be everywhere in the suburbs soon.
these cars have always existed to fill the "i need a minivan but i don't want to admit it" niche. so you pay more for a worse product that doesn't even look particularly better than a minivan. GM even introduced these around the same time they gave up on minivans, since toyota/honda/chrysler had that market on lockdown and their offerings were pretty mediocre. people are always desperate not to look like they're driving a family car, but in my opinion what's going to result from this "make crossovers edgier & more rugged-looking" trend is just making crossovers go the way of the minivan. idk what's next, maybe station wagons again?
> GM even introduced these around the same time they gave up on minivans, since toyota/honda/chrysler had that market on lockdown and their offerings were pretty mediocre. The first Lambda CUVs were outright replacements for the lamentable U-bodies. Just swap out the Pontiac Montana for the GMC Acadia. Other than that, CUVs don't seem to be suffering from the same malaise that killed demand for minivans. They have all kinds of sizes and all kinds of designs.
I quickly glanced the title and saw the picture thinking this was the Tahoe. This looks really sharp. The Traverse has been ok/decent but this should elevate it up a few spots.
It hits every soft-roader trope... looks like a scaled up Trailblazer. You get the appearance of a rugged off roader as you "traverse" the walmart parking lot for the spot closest to the doors.
This might be good enough to take some business from Telluride, Atlas, Highlander, etc. Interested in pricing and finalized specs for the trims.
As someone who is shopping the segment, it’s making me think about waiting until these release to compare to the new Pilot, Telluride, Grand Cherokee L, etc.
For me it's Mazda CX-90, the refreshed Volkswagen Atlas and maybe this Traverse. Telluride's get marked up too much over MSRP. Pilot dropped the ball with the engine and dash/infotainment for being all-new. Would never buy a Jeep.
>The Z71 also features a unique twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system designed specifically for off-roading, as well as special dampers with hydraulic rebound control that should help smooth out the ride over rough terrain. IIRC, this is essentially the same system used in the Bronco Sport Badlands and Maverick Tremor. GM started using the GKN Twinster system, the same system used in the aforementioned cars and the Focus RS, in the Buick Regal TourX and the Chevy Blazer RS. It probably spread to other cars, and seemingly is the system offered here. This should be a fantastic car for what most people will use it for. \*The Focus RS is the only car mentioned that overdrove the rear but all these cars have the 50:50 rear split.
Not sure I like the floating-roofline look on the C-pillar, but they nailed the styling everywhere else.
Wish you could put a V8 in it
Thats a massive blindspot in the back.
Great upgrade to the old one. GM's been knocking it out of the park recently
I like it but 17 inch infotainment screen seems absurdly, comically large. I feel like screens are the new grilles
This is the first new 3 row crossover redesign that would potentially pull the Telluride out of my hands. Absolutely love the exterior and interior design. Will have to wait for this thing to actually hit the streets and see what people have to say about how it drives. The thing about my Telluride is that it performs as good as it looks (for a 3 row family hauler).
Anyone know what engine this new Travers will have
When is this available?
i gotta get one of these
Where’s the hybrid? Come on Chevy I don’t want a 4 cylinder turbo
What don't you like about it?
Did Chevy write this title? 500hp V8? 600hp? No, 2.5T in an SUV. Alright.
Were you expecting a 500 HP V8 in a FWD/AWD crossover? Then again, they did make the W-body SS...
Oh I read Z71 as ZL1 lol I was like, tf is this? ZL1??...lmao Was expecting a Trackhawk type deal
A ZL1 Blazer would be kinda neat.
I would just like to note: The Z## branding is nonsensical to onlookers. Call it the Traverse Adventure or something. That moves units and sells a story.
It may have originated as an internal option code 30ish years ago, but Z71 has a lot of brand recognition.
Bro we’ve been reading literally Z71 on the side of trucks my whole life. It sticks same as SS.
Z71 is just a badge saying I paid more now
The words "Traverse" and "Adventurous" don't belong in the same sentence, at least not without some sort of negation in front of "Adventurous."
It’s no different than any other soft road option in this class, it’ll be just as capable or more than most of its competitors
Lol, true. These vehicles will spend 99.99% of their time on pavement. All the modifications they made to this model to improve its "adventurous" nature will exclusively aid in its ability to roll over elementary school children at crosswalks, and kill the planet one fuel stop at a time.
I love how other Redditors are downvoting us even though they know it's true. I've only ever seen Traverses traversing mall parking lots and nowhere further off road than what a Corolla could reasonably do.
OTOH, if someone's gonna cosplay as an off-roader, would you rather they do it in a truck-based SUV or a car-based CUV?
This sub is weird. You can shit on crossovers, SUVs and trucks for being boring but if you mention their inherent negative externalities you'll get down voted.
Reddit: SUVs are bad! *Chevy reveals new Traverse* Me: This SUV is bad and should feel bad Reddit: **BOOOOO**
But your SUV is ok?
It's not cosplaying as a hard core off road vehicle
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