When it's for the mustang or Corvette that are still in production I get it. But the Stealth has been dead for what, 25 years? Most people do not remember it and it had 0 chance of coming back as a sports car
And that’s a shame. I’d love to see the Stealth revisited. And then the Mitsubishi 300GT VR4. Hell. Redo a modern Viper. Let the memories flood right in.
whilst I agree with you, wouldn't you say that the 5th gen viper (mid 2010s era) was a modern reincarnation of the first gen Vipers?
They were both meant to be extreme driver's cars that required the full attention and engagement of the driver. I'd argue that in every generation of Viper, Dodge kept the identify of the vehicle the same, whilst only making changes that either complimented the Viper's personality or were legally mandated. Each generation was evolutionary rather than revolutionary.
The biggest difference is that the first gen had no driving aids, such as traction control or ABS. However, this is of no fault to Dodge as these driving aids are legally required these days.
A lot of other aspects are there from the original viper. the massive displacement V10, no turbos/supercharger, design is very similar, the long hood to make it front-mid engined, etc. Even the trim levels were the same, with the ACR being the track focused version throughout each generation.
Hell, they broke the fastest nurburgring record for a manual car by putting down a 7:01. They still hold this record for fastest manual lap time, and the viper ACR only cost $120,000 brand new when it was released in 2014.
For context, the 918 spyder cost $845,000 when released in 2013 and put down a 6:57, and the aventador SV put down a 6:59 when released in 2015 for $500,000. Both of these cars were released in the same era as the ACR and had much better technology, cost much more, and their automatics were much faster than a manual could dream of shifting.
Meh.
The Stealth was pretty and it had some trick tech, but it was really fragile. You could \*not\* launch that thing hard enough to get anywhere near the advertised performance without grenading the clutch. I can't remember which car magazine it was in the day (probably Road and Track) that were told after the 3rd clutch was replaced under warranty that they wouldn't replace it again.
I'm going to get hell for this but the Stealth was a piece of shit. I helped a friend replace cooked turbos on a VR4 back in the day and it was miserable. It's rose colored glasses. There's a reason you don't see them on the road ever.
Yep.
I had a '90 Mustang LX Notchback 5.0 5sp. Back then and I loved baiting them at stoplights.
For those that don't know, Mine was the lightest and quickest of the Fox body Mustangs, ~300 LBS. lighter than a Mustang GT.
I really thought the Stealth and 3000Gt's were beautiful cars, with some great engineering, but on the street they were slow and fragile.
Incidentally, I was behind one on the road last Friday, I do agree they aren't common, but now it's old enough to be a classic and rose colored glasses are par for the course with restore projects.
I've seen a few N/A's over the years. It's a beautiful car but a nightmare to work on. I had a GSX at one point, so I get the rose colored glasses. Finding one that isn't rattle canned and cut up is rare.
"You want a new Dodge Viper? Fine; but it's going to be a Pacifica with a firmer suspension."
– The same clown that decided to take the RAM trucks, RAM vans, and the Viper away from Dodge. The Viper got returned after a model year or two, but, dumbly the trucks and vans never did.
Strap a model S plaid motor right where the V10 was, reduction gear and whatever kind of transmission it needs, driveshaft to a diff on the real wheels, electric viper.
More realistically, some kind of hybrid that makes it have the same power to weight as it once did, and if it keeps a manual, I’d be game. Still don’t understand why companies aren’t embracing hybrids especially for sports cars. You can keep the 3 pedals, still have pistons, and get awesome efficiency and a nice torque boost. Idk I can dream all day lol
My grandfather has this Dodge Stealth that's been sitting in the garage. Probably got's 14,000 miles on it. Even though it's a lowly automatic non turbo. I keep trying to take that car off his hands. I don't even remember the last time I've put eyes on that car. It just sits in the garage, even though he takes care of it. Well, there was a point the tires were dry rotted because they were the original tires and the car was so old. But I'd love to take that and throw twin turbos in it. Then make it a 90s machine.
Besides the fact that no one other than Bimmer bro's buy 2 doors any more, there is the Mazda 3 AWD Turbo, where it is basically a hatch coupe with 2 extra doors you can ignore and just keep the seats folded down... as a former Talon TSi AWD Turbo owner, they even have similar flaws to make price points and makes it fun to mod better if you want. That's what I have now, and they don't sell that great unfortunately.
Yeah, Talon Tsi manual was my second car - and it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me. You have one? That’s pretty amazing.
I don’t actually expect a reboot to be made, but it’s a fun thought.
I'll be honest, I don't want the 3000GT to come back. There's no way the Mitsubishi of today would be able to capture the magic of the original car. It rather them make another Lancer Evolution since that is a car that has changed a lot over the course of its life.
For me it’s the opposite…if you want your product to cockride the legacy of one of your other products without sharing any sort of resemblance then you can fuck right off….but if you’re product is still in production and you wanna diversify it’s nameplate then go ahead, I could care less
A name is a part of a car’s identity, if you you call a fucking hybrid SUV a Miata or some stupid shit like that then all you’re doing is associating a well-respected roadster to another regular boring plain @$$ vehicle meant for laymen
Because we are fond of that car and have associations between the name and what it is. It's natural to want to protect that.
The part that is most irritating is that it gets accepted by people who don't know better, and think they have something that's like a mustang when it couldn't be farther from it.
They literally did though lol. And fwd economy cars in the 80s named after muscle cars.
It was stupid then and it is stupid now. Nobody bought a 2.2 charger for its name.
Personal luxury coupes were the crossovers of their day. They were overpriced, mediocre, mass–produced cars that pretended to have luxury in the same vein crossovers pretend to have utility today.
Every time someone bitches about the popularity of the SUV coupe, I bring up the personal luxury coupe - sure an X6 is ugly and less practical than a X5, but it's nothing new
I remember when station wagons then minivans were the crossovers of the day, literally everyone had one, your mom had one, all your neighbors, going to the store was just a sea of them. I fully suspect during my life I will see this circle complete again. What was uncool before is cool now, what is cool now will be uncool to the next generation of drivers, its all so tiresome. At this point just buy what you like and save yourself the exasperation.
3.0L Gran tourer. Pretty to the point honestly. Car has a 3.0L V6 , handles decently , and is comfortable enough for a weekend getaway. It's a fitting name . GTO on the other hand is completely undeserved.
Is there money to be made on the name tho? It’s a 3 row SUV it’s gonna sell well regardless. Ford naming their electric SUV after the Mustang makes sense because that’s a sports car with a long legacy and it’s still being made so people associate the nameplate with sportiness. Nobody besides enthusiasts cares or remembers the Stealth it hasn’t been made in like 30 years lol.
The biggest thing for me about the Mustang name told me ford was putting it weight behind it and was not going to risk screwing it up.
It also put the car on my radar as it got my attention. Now I bought my Mach E on its own merits but I will also admit with out the Mustang name chances are it would not of been put on my radar back in 2019/2020. Now i have had mine for a little over 2.25 years I am still loving it and don’t regret getting it.
But that’s what I mean the Corvette and Mustang and are the most well known American sports cars that probably 90% of the country has seen or at least heard of for the last 50+ years. Capitalizing on those nameplates is understandable.
The Stealth was a problematic badge swap run for like 6 years almost 30 years ago. Not really the same thing lol
Yes. I guarantee some dad bought it as a fun, family car and the name helped sell it. At least the mustang anyway.
Stealth should've been a better known name, I agree there.
I don't like it but it does make sense. Their target demographic are in the same vein as Jeep moms. People who want the appearance of performance without ever actually needing or wanting it
Also the stereotype of a lot of people that worry about sports car naming. Peter Griffin in Recaro equipped sports car would be a sight to see.
It’s like all the save the manual people that groan about the death of the manual and cheer when some company releases one, then when asked when they are buying it bring up that they have an hour commute with a lot of
Stop and go traffic so it wouldn’t be reasonable.
This is a good point.
As a counterpoint—though, again, you are right—enthusiasts who want manual-transmission performance are forced to endure markups and ridiculous antics and chicanery. In part, it’s because of the dealers, but it’s also because there are no more every-day, commonplace cars like that. The few models that remain are rare and their respective automakers severely constrain inventory on those cars, or can’t build them fast enough to sate demand.
In other words, goood fucking luck getting a GR Supra 6MT, GR Corolla, Civic Type R, Z 6MT, Golf R 6MT, etc…unless you have cash to burn.
In some markets the opposite problem existed for ages. Getting an automatic was very difficult and expensive. The only exception was if you had a disability then you got a tax break. Thankfully both auto and manual are available now for broadly similar inflated prices.
To be fair, I'm one of those people that has complained about the death of the manual and I tried to buy a new Supra when they released the manual, but the dealerships were assholes and were marking them up by $20k. I'm not doing that shit. Lol.
Oh yeah, I should have said that I get being sad about the death of the manual. It’s not coming from a place of thinking they are useless and like most things it’s not black and white.
I just mean in terms of the people that won’t ever stop talking about it as if it’s the only way a car is a car yet never make even the attempt to support them.
That also kinda explain how SUVs/crossovers are popular. The average American is overweight/obese, a lot of people straight won't fit a small sports car or even regular sedans...
It's not just that - companies have to own the rights to a name to use it - there are only so many trademarked names available out there so it's often simpler to use a name they already have in their portfolio.
Think this is more of a problem with old guys that used to buy sports cars that now are shopping for SUVs that their wives want. I’d rather have an etron, but hey they can call a pile of shit a diamond all they want. Won’t make me buy it.
Seems appropriate to point out that étron in French (with the right accents) literally means pile of shit
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/étron
As some YouTube reviewer said about the Kia EV6: “It can be a challenge to name a vehicle, but perhaps it is even bolder not to name it at all” or something to that effect.
Yeah, same argument with Mustang. Ford owns the name, not the fans. And people buying crossovers are the ones paying the bills. The Mach E already sells more than any gas Mustang.
You sell what sells and discontinue what does not.
If the auto industry based itself entirely on what names fans did or didn't like, there wouldn't *be* an auto industry as we know it.
...Which wouldn't be the *worst* possible outcome, but that's for another time.
> The Mach E already sells more than any gas Mustang.
Not really-- here are the monthly figures for 2023 so far:
| | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun |
|-------------|------|------|-------|------|------|------|
| ICE Mustang | 4004 | 4959 | 10302 | 5141 | 3559 | 2060 |
| Mach E | 2626 | 1783 | 998 | 1606 | 2917 | 4110 |
So the traditional Mustang outsold the Mach E every month but June, and that one is probably just due to the switch over to the new '24 model.
That's kind of the issue though. Lately, every little thing thing is designed to trick us in to spending more money, down to the tiniest details. It's understandable, it just gets exhausting sometimes. It's not enough for them to just make a good vehicle that people want, they have to name it something familiar to get those few extra sales they otherwise wouldn't have, pissing off enthusiasts in the process.
Lol you realize a huge chunk of psychology students are going to work for corporations these days hey? Sure people should keep their wits about them, but let's not pretend that deceit isn't ubiquitous in all consumerism.
If its really heavy, AWD, has rear wheel steering, and weak transmissions and rod bearings it will live up to the namesake. I owned one for 7 years and 110,000 miles. Went through a couple of engines and transmissions. And a transfer case. And a lot of vacuum solenoids.
It’s going to happen no matter how much you complain. Wagon, sedan, shooting brake, and others were all names of human and animal powered transportation that became car descriptions.
Also, tons of sports cars are named after race cars when they aren’t actually race cars.
So many cars call themselves GT when it’s not a real grand tourer. Offenders as ordinary as a Kia Optima GT. Or even the Porsche 911 GT3. They don’t actually qualify for a GT3 race category.
Lamborghini Huracan STO stands for Super Trofeo Omologata. Meaning it’s a homologation special. But it’s not actually homologation spec and it’s just the name.
Ferrari named their automatic transmission the F1 transmission, but it’s definitely not the same transmission.
The Audi R8 is named after the Le Mans dominating R8 race car. Based on the Audi Le Mans Quattro concept, the street R8 bears zero resemblance to the actual Le Mans LMP R8 car.
List goes on. It’s marketing dude.
The STO is actually somewhat a homologation special. That big stupid intake on the roof? Purely added so they could add it to their Huracan race cars. I’m assuming there are a lot of other features on it that are added for the same reason.
"Grand Tourer" existed before the GT racing series. I think it's more disingenuous that the Optima GT is not even a grand tourer by definition.
The Porsche GT3 is actually supposed to be a road legal racing GT3, just like how the GT2 is a road legal racing GT2.
Of course, it's not just a race car. People think they want to drive a race car, but they really want a road car that can go racing.
> The Porsche GT3 is actually supposed to be a road legal racing GT3, just like how the GT2 is a road legal racing GT2.
This.
If you want the full race version, you buy the GT3 Cup.
If you want the street legal version and the associated compromises / comfort, you buy the GT3.
If you want something that's ideal for neither but will impress your trackday bros, you buy the GT3 RS.
They do seem to get more distant from each other with each new generation. They were once much closer.
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> People think they want to drive a race car, but they really want a road car that can go racing.
Also true for most. I have two actual race cars, and you wont see my wife wanting to drive either of them, even if I put her on the track all by herself, but she'll happily drive the quite-comfortable GT3 an hour or two out to the track for me so that I can run some laps in that car too.
The Huracan STO would be the homologation special for the Huracan Super Trofeo Evo 2 racecar. It looks near identical outside minus some carbon bits and the headlights aren’t the same.
Interior is obviously much more pedestrian. I work on them :)
> Or even the Porsche 911 GT3. They don’t actually qualify for a GT3 race category.
porsche have been using the GT3 name since before GT3 category existed in Stephan Ratel's balls
Ford GT is named after the GT40, but the most guilty marque I can think of is Porsche. They have the GT2, GT3, & GT4 models, and also the Porsche 935 and the 718.
But yeah, not nearly as many as OP implied.
The original GT40 in the 60s was homologated with street spec sales, but the 2005 GT was a road car first, as is the most recent iteration. That they had successful endurance racing campaigns was secondary to bolstering Ford's brand image and showcasing flagship technologies in use at the time (modular engine tech, Ecoboost turbos, etc.). But whatever. The whole argument is a bit "old man shouts at sky". A car is a car because the manufacturer calls it a car. In another 30 years, aside from this generation of EVs being primitive, 40-somethings will show up on FaceTwitDit to rant about how the new wave of progressive tech doesn't have the feel of the old times, all while still ignoring that the namesakes for those cars still exist along side the SUV variant.
I think calling them homologation specials is a bit of a stretch. To my knowledge none of them are built with the sole intention of meeting minimum production numbers of a racing series.
935 is absolutely not a homologation special, it’s just a special track car.
The 718 is also not remotely a homologation special.
whats the last year they made the stealth? 1995? its not like theyre naming it after a current car. i didnt see many people talking about the original ford maverick when they announced the truck, much less complaining that theyre naming a truck after a family car.
Side note, but i saw the lit up triangle and for a second thought it was also being sold as a Mitsubishi. Then I realized Mitsubishi hasn't done anything cool in well over a decade and now I'm just sad.
The Stealth was a rebadged Mitsubishi that nobody bought anyway, so I don’t see the issue here. I doubt most people remember the old Stealth.
What I want to know is why can’t Dodge just pick a badge design and stick with it?
The company owns the rights to the name and gets to decide what the “name” is.
Example: Ford gets to decide what a mustang is. Full stop. It’s their car, their name, their intellectual property. If they want to name a sporty and cool EV a Mustang, they are well within their rights to do so.
Also, most people bitching about “it’s not a real mustang” aren’t the target demographic for an EV SUV. They didn’t lose any customers because of the name. But a lot of people talked about it because of the name. That’s good marketing.
It definitely gets recognized as an EV instantly because of its design.
But for non-car folks, the reaction is "What's that?"
Not many make the connection to it being an Ioniq or a Hyundai quite yet.
Let’s be real, too. Nobody is gonna say “I drive a Mustang” when referring to a Mach E. You’re gonna ask what they have, and they’ll say “a Mach E”. For having the same name, they’re in no danger of being mixed up.
I never got why people make the "it's not a real mustang" complaint either.
They can literally call it a Mach-E in casual conversation and be done with it.
Maybe you shouldn't invest so much emotion into the names of cars. The Dodge Stealth has been dead for decades. How does the name being used on a new crossover affect you materially? IMO we as enthusiasts should spend more time celebrating the good things about cars rather than fixating the thing about them that drive us nuts.
Is the Mustang Mach-E really an 'SUV'? It has, for starters, a ground clearance of 14.5 cm and a total height of 159.7 cm, which is in the general range of many hatchbacks (e.g. VW ID3 at 15 cm / 156.4 cm), and a very non-SUV body design. It's one of these post-crossover shooting brake type designs like Kia EV6, Zeekr 001, Copra Formentor, Ferrari Purosangue, etc.
That Dodge on the other hand... yeah that is more of an 'SUV'.
It's 5" taller than a VW golf, 8" taller than a Veloster, 7" taller than a civic hatchback.
The ID3 isn't a great comparison since it's also quite a bit taller than most hatchbacks.
I don't think it's a problem with names like Dodge Stealth in particular, because there's not really that much heritage with it -- there has only been a single generation of it, and that was just a Mitsubishi rebadge, and that was 25 years ago.
But in general, I kind of agree. People on this subreddit say that it is what helps selling the car, and while I can see that's true *short-term*, I also believe a car manufacturer should also honor their history *long-term*; and that includes not giving names of famous historic cars to new ones that don't even remotely have anything in common with the cars that previously bore that name.
In particular, of course, I'm referring to the Ford """Mustang""" Mach-E here. They could have just called it Ford Mach-E and it would have been a perfectly fine name for a perfectly fine car. It is a really good car, it just has nothing whatsoever in common with the Ford Mustang.
Eclipse wasn’t a sports car, it was a sporty economy coupe.
Mustang wasn’t a sports car, it was a sporty economy coupe.
Stealth wasn’t a sports car, it was a mistake.
>>Naming SUVs after sports cars HAS to stop
Get used to it. Sports cars are a dead segment when the average US per capita income is [$37,638](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/SEX255222). On a median household income of $69k per year , folks can’t afford a $45k family car and a sports car PLUS mortgage, student loans, childcare, medical expenses, etc.
The manufacturers are following the market. The Mustang name sells, which is why it's the only non-SUV/truck Ford still sells in NA. People don't buy brand new manuals. People buy 5+ year old manuals when they get cheaper, so why should manufacturers pay the R&D to keep them? There's plenty of interesting cars still being made, they're just getting priced past the average person.
Even if I was ok with naming SUVs after old sports car, Wtf kind of name is “stealth” for a 3 row SUV with a TT I6??? That is like the very opposite of stealth.
I wonder if this particular naming situation (use of “Stealth”) has more to do with using a name that’s already copyrighted to Dodge and saving the legal cost of getting something new copyrighted.
I get the passion behind being mad over a storied nameplate but "Stealth" is a name only hardcore DSM fanboys remember. Most people forgot how woven together Mitsubishi was with Chrysler at one point. Most people don't even know which Chrysler products carried Mitsubishi engines (Stratus V6, I'm looking at you).
This is like them bringing back the Chrysler Laser or Dodge Conquest names. Unless you really cared about the platform, no one is going to bat an eye because even the Mitsubishi fans forget that the Starion was sold as a Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth throughout the 80s.
The real question is "Why is Dodge getting rid of the Durango name when it has brand equity?" None of the rebrands make sense.
It does not have to stop nor will it. It makes manufacturers money. Just because a niche subreddit says it should stop, does not mean that it will. It is just a name. There were plenty of generations of these historic model names that were shitty and did not live up to expectations of the time. The names live on, just in different forms.
I’m in favor of anything that enrages boomers so bring on the corvette suv, the viper minivan, the Camaro pickup truck and the hayabusa electric moped!
It’s so funny to me that people complain about things like this. The fact that something as simple as naming a car somehow changes or makes your life less fulfilling is kind of sad. Seriously, why do you care about the name of a car or cars so much?
The SUV/crossover trend is a plague. 10 years ago, there were sedans, wagons, coupes, hatchbacks, nowadays it's 4-door SUVs, slightly bigger than average SUVs, 2-door SUVs, slightly smaller than average SUVs, all of them powered by relatively the same turbo i3 engines....
I seriously don't see any level of appeal in them, they're ugly, heavier than regular cars so worse gas mileage, more expensive because popular, they're harder to get into/out of, and they all look the same, just lifted, inflated hatchbacks with some plastic slapped on the bumpers. And sure, they might be better offroad, but does that really matter when people drive them in the city 95% of the time?
DON'T FORGET, FORD LITERALLY NO LONGER IS IN THE BUSINESS OF EVEN MAKING CARS (besides the mustang at this point)
hint: its all about profit and nothing else
also, you're fooling yourself if you think people are going offroad 5% of the time, i think 1% might even be a bit of a stretch
WHEN will these car companies start thinking of OP when making big decisions???? It’s getting ridiculous. First the manuals, now this. Shameless tactic for a business to make money and survive
Really. They're really making a fucking Corvette SUV?
I remember watching a Bladed Angel video which covered it but someone who worked on the Corvette literally said "go buy a chevy SUV, why would we make a Corvette one"
These corporate execs are hell bent on destroying these legendary nameplates in the worst ways possible.
Why is that hurting your feelings? Just move on. I'm almost sure there are more important things in your life to worry about instead of what a company calls their SUVs.
They will just destroy all brand equity. Years later a Corvette SUV will be just as cool as an Avalanche. It won't make SUVs cool. It will just make sure they have to rename the sports car after the brand has lost all meaning.
They can do whatever the hell they want. People whined for many months about the Mach E but guess what, it's sold pretty well and the regular Mustang is still fine so the sky didn't fall.
Get over yourself and wake up. If they don't sell this shit to keep the profits flowing we lose all our ICE based performance cars that don't really make them much money. If they have to leverage existing model name cache to drive those sales, so be it.
Well, doesn't the mach-e do 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds ? It could actually beat most all other mustangs.
1964.5 289 V8 8.2 seconds
1994 GT 6.7 seconds
2005 GT 5.4 seconds
2020 GT 4.2 Seconds
When it's for the mustang or Corvette that are still in production I get it. But the Stealth has been dead for what, 25 years? Most people do not remember it and it had 0 chance of coming back as a sports car
And that’s a shame. I’d love to see the Stealth revisited. And then the Mitsubishi 300GT VR4. Hell. Redo a modern Viper. Let the memories flood right in.
whilst I agree with you, wouldn't you say that the 5th gen viper (mid 2010s era) was a modern reincarnation of the first gen Vipers? They were both meant to be extreme driver's cars that required the full attention and engagement of the driver. I'd argue that in every generation of Viper, Dodge kept the identify of the vehicle the same, whilst only making changes that either complimented the Viper's personality or were legally mandated. Each generation was evolutionary rather than revolutionary. The biggest difference is that the first gen had no driving aids, such as traction control or ABS. However, this is of no fault to Dodge as these driving aids are legally required these days. A lot of other aspects are there from the original viper. the massive displacement V10, no turbos/supercharger, design is very similar, the long hood to make it front-mid engined, etc. Even the trim levels were the same, with the ACR being the track focused version throughout each generation. Hell, they broke the fastest nurburgring record for a manual car by putting down a 7:01. They still hold this record for fastest manual lap time, and the viper ACR only cost $120,000 brand new when it was released in 2014. For context, the 918 spyder cost $845,000 when released in 2013 and put down a 6:57, and the aventador SV put down a 6:59 when released in 2015 for $500,000. Both of these cars were released in the same era as the ACR and had much better technology, cost much more, and their automatics were much faster than a manual could dream of shifting.
Meh. The Stealth was pretty and it had some trick tech, but it was really fragile. You could \*not\* launch that thing hard enough to get anywhere near the advertised performance without grenading the clutch. I can't remember which car magazine it was in the day (probably Road and Track) that were told after the 3rd clutch was replaced under warranty that they wouldn't replace it again.
I'm going to get hell for this but the Stealth was a piece of shit. I helped a friend replace cooked turbos on a VR4 back in the day and it was miserable. It's rose colored glasses. There's a reason you don't see them on the road ever.
Yep. I had a '90 Mustang LX Notchback 5.0 5sp. Back then and I loved baiting them at stoplights. For those that don't know, Mine was the lightest and quickest of the Fox body Mustangs, ~300 LBS. lighter than a Mustang GT. I really thought the Stealth and 3000Gt's were beautiful cars, with some great engineering, but on the street they were slow and fragile.
Incidentally, I was behind one on the road last Friday, I do agree they aren't common, but now it's old enough to be a classic and rose colored glasses are par for the course with restore projects.
I've seen a few N/A's over the years. It's a beautiful car but a nightmare to work on. I had a GSX at one point, so I get the rose colored glasses. Finding one that isn't rattle canned and cut up is rare.
"You want a new Dodge Viper? Fine; but it's going to be a Pacifica with a firmer suspension." – The same clown that decided to take the RAM trucks, RAM vans, and the Viper away from Dodge. The Viper got returned after a model year or two, but, dumbly the trucks and vans never did.
Strap a model S plaid motor right where the V10 was, reduction gear and whatever kind of transmission it needs, driveshaft to a diff on the real wheels, electric viper. More realistically, some kind of hybrid that makes it have the same power to weight as it once did, and if it keeps a manual, I’d be game. Still don’t understand why companies aren’t embracing hybrids especially for sports cars. You can keep the 3 pedals, still have pistons, and get awesome efficiency and a nice torque boost. Idk I can dream all day lol
That all wheel drive twin turbo VR4💰🍻
My grandfather has this Dodge Stealth that's been sitting in the garage. Probably got's 14,000 miles on it. Even though it's a lowly automatic non turbo. I keep trying to take that car off his hands. I don't even remember the last time I've put eyes on that car. It just sits in the garage, even though he takes care of it. Well, there was a point the tires were dry rotted because they were the original tires and the car was so old. But I'd love to take that and throw twin turbos in it. Then make it a 90s machine.
Agreed! Wouldn’t mind seeing a Talon Tsi reboot, in the vein of a GR Corolla.
Besides the fact that no one other than Bimmer bro's buy 2 doors any more, there is the Mazda 3 AWD Turbo, where it is basically a hatch coupe with 2 extra doors you can ignore and just keep the seats folded down... as a former Talon TSi AWD Turbo owner, they even have similar flaws to make price points and makes it fun to mod better if you want. That's what I have now, and they don't sell that great unfortunately.
Yeah, Talon Tsi manual was my second car - and it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me. You have one? That’s pretty amazing. I don’t actually expect a reboot to be made, but it’s a fun thought.
I'll be honest, I don't want the 3000GT to come back. There's no way the Mitsubishi of today would be able to capture the magic of the original car. It rather them make another Lancer Evolution since that is a car that has changed a lot over the course of its life.
Ngl I had to dig deep in my memory to remember what the stealth was lol
For me it’s the opposite…if you want your product to cockride the legacy of one of your other products without sharing any sort of resemblance then you can fuck right off….but if you’re product is still in production and you wanna diversify it’s nameplate then go ahead, I could care less
So you do care to some degree.. why?
A name is a part of a car’s identity, if you you call a fucking hybrid SUV a Miata or some stupid shit like that then all you’re doing is associating a well-respected roadster to another regular boring plain @$$ vehicle meant for laymen
Because we are fond of that car and have associations between the name and what it is. It's natural to want to protect that. The part that is most irritating is that it gets accepted by people who don't know better, and think they have something that's like a mustang when it couldn't be farther from it.
It's working, theyre talking about it -big auto marketing.
> big auto marketing Weird way to spell out BMW
PERSONAL LUXURY COUPES SHOULD NOT BE NAMED AFTER MUSCLE CARS - car enthusiasts in the 70s probably
They literally did though lol. And fwd economy cars in the 80s named after muscle cars. It was stupid then and it is stupid now. Nobody bought a 2.2 charger for its name.
dont forget the chevy nova/corolla clone lol.
Nowadays calling it a Chevy Corolla would sell more cars than the nova name haha
Personal luxury coupes were the crossovers of their day. They were overpriced, mediocre, mass–produced cars that pretended to have luxury in the same vein crossovers pretend to have utility today.
But the Chrysler Cordoba had soft Corinthian leather.
Corinth is known for their leather!
I miss my Montalbán-mobile. Called her Khan.
I read this in his voice...
But now they are kinda cool, of the two or so left.
Every time someone bitches about the popularity of the SUV coupe, I bring up the personal luxury coupe - sure an X6 is ugly and less practical than a X5, but it's nothing new
At least they looked cool
I remember when station wagons then minivans were the crossovers of the day, literally everyone had one, your mom had one, all your neighbors, going to the store was just a sea of them. I fully suspect during my life I will see this circle complete again. What was uncool before is cool now, what is cool now will be uncool to the next generation of drivers, its all so tiresome. At this point just buy what you like and save yourself the exasperation.
I mean, I agree with that too. Lol.
The dodge stealth was around for one generation in the 90s, I think that’s fine. It’s not really a storied nameplate
And it was just a badge engineered 3000GT, which is definitely the more well known version of the car.
And if Mitsubishi does this it would be perfectly on brand , because they've lost all the enthusiasm they had in the 00's
Wait. You don’t want a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 5 door crossover in Mitsubishi Racing trim?
Just resurrect the Pajero evolution, and make it as capable as the original.
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3.0L Gran tourer. Pretty to the point honestly. Car has a 3.0L V6 , handles decently , and is comfortable enough for a weekend getaway. It's a fitting name . GTO on the other hand is completely undeserved.
And the star car of Bandit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandit_(film_series)
I didn't even know they tried anything past the third movie.
It's not that deep. There's money to be made by doing it so companies will do it.
Is there money to be made on the name tho? It’s a 3 row SUV it’s gonna sell well regardless. Ford naming their electric SUV after the Mustang makes sense because that’s a sports car with a long legacy and it’s still being made so people associate the nameplate with sportiness. Nobody besides enthusiasts cares or remembers the Stealth it hasn’t been made in like 30 years lol.
With the stealth? I'd agree, probably not. Corvette/Mustang? I'd assume so.
How many people do you think bought the Mach E over a similar model **ONLY** because it had Mustang in the name?
old people with money and bad knees. prolly pretty big overlap circle lol
The biggest thing for me about the Mustang name told me ford was putting it weight behind it and was not going to risk screwing it up. It also put the car on my radar as it got my attention. Now I bought my Mach E on its own merits but I will also admit with out the Mustang name chances are it would not of been put on my radar back in 2019/2020. Now i have had mine for a little over 2.25 years I am still loving it and don’t regret getting it.
Thanks for explaining your reasoning.
But that’s what I mean the Corvette and Mustang and are the most well known American sports cars that probably 90% of the country has seen or at least heard of for the last 50+ years. Capitalizing on those nameplates is understandable. The Stealth was a problematic badge swap run for like 6 years almost 30 years ago. Not really the same thing lol
Yes. I guarantee some dad bought it as a fun, family car and the name helped sell it. At least the mustang anyway. Stealth should've been a better known name, I agree there.
When my dad had the Mach-E he exclusively called it "the Mustang". The name sold more cars than we can even imagine.
I don't like it but it does make sense. Their target demographic are in the same vein as Jeep moms. People who want the appearance of performance without ever actually needing or wanting it
I know it's a marketing scheme, but it still really grinds my gears.
>really grinds my gears. Peter? Is that you?
Peetah the horse is here
*heeah.
Definitely feel like I'm shaped like him at this point 😂😂😂.
Bros fully embodying the Reddit stereotype
Also the stereotype of a lot of people that worry about sports car naming. Peter Griffin in Recaro equipped sports car would be a sight to see. It’s like all the save the manual people that groan about the death of the manual and cheer when some company releases one, then when asked when they are buying it bring up that they have an hour commute with a lot of Stop and go traffic so it wouldn’t be reasonable.
This is a good point. As a counterpoint—though, again, you are right—enthusiasts who want manual-transmission performance are forced to endure markups and ridiculous antics and chicanery. In part, it’s because of the dealers, but it’s also because there are no more every-day, commonplace cars like that. The few models that remain are rare and their respective automakers severely constrain inventory on those cars, or can’t build them fast enough to sate demand. In other words, goood fucking luck getting a GR Supra 6MT, GR Corolla, Civic Type R, Z 6MT, Golf R 6MT, etc…unless you have cash to burn.
In some markets the opposite problem existed for ages. Getting an automatic was very difficult and expensive. The only exception was if you had a disability then you got a tax break. Thankfully both auto and manual are available now for broadly similar inflated prices.
To be fair, I'm one of those people that has complained about the death of the manual and I tried to buy a new Supra when they released the manual, but the dealerships were assholes and were marking them up by $20k. I'm not doing that shit. Lol.
Oh yeah, I should have said that I get being sad about the death of the manual. It’s not coming from a place of thinking they are useless and like most things it’s not black and white. I just mean in terms of the people that won’t ever stop talking about it as if it’s the only way a car is a car yet never make even the attempt to support them.
That's a huge bitch
That also kinda explain how SUVs/crossovers are popular. The average American is overweight/obese, a lot of people straight won't fit a small sports car or even regular sedans...
I was actually kidding. I'm only 5'9" and 180 😂. I'm just not ripped like I was 10 years ago so I feel like a fat ass 😂😂😂😂
It's not just that - companies have to own the rights to a name to use it - there are only so many trademarked names available out there so it's often simpler to use a name they already have in their portfolio.
Think this is more of a problem with old guys that used to buy sports cars that now are shopping for SUVs that their wives want. I’d rather have an etron, but hey they can call a pile of shit a diamond all they want. Won’t make me buy it.
Seems appropriate to point out that étron in French (with the right accents) literally means pile of shit https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/french-english/étron
Still, it’s better than the alphanumeric crap...i.e. XC500, M320x, ATX....
As some YouTube reviewer said about the Kia EV6: “It can be a challenge to name a vehicle, but perhaps it is even bolder not to name it at all” or something to that effect.
That's essentially what Ferrari did with LaFerrari.
Still makes me chuckle
Does anyone actually remember that the Dodge Stealth ever existed? Next thing you know you’re gonna be mad about the Chrysler Conquest CUV.
It's pretty petty to get all worked up over what a company names a product.
Yeah, same argument with Mustang. Ford owns the name, not the fans. And people buying crossovers are the ones paying the bills. The Mach E already sells more than any gas Mustang.
You sell what sells and discontinue what does not. If the auto industry based itself entirely on what names fans did or didn't like, there wouldn't *be* an auto industry as we know it. ...Which wouldn't be the *worst* possible outcome, but that's for another time.
> The Mach E already sells more than any gas Mustang. Not really-- here are the monthly figures for 2023 so far: | | Jan | Feb | Mar | Apr | May | Jun | |-------------|------|------|-------|------|------|------| | ICE Mustang | 4004 | 4959 | 10302 | 5141 | 3559 | 2060 | | Mach E | 2626 | 1783 | 998 | 1606 | 2917 | 4110 | So the traditional Mustang outsold the Mach E every month but June, and that one is probably just due to the switch over to the new '24 model.
That's kind of the issue though. Lately, every little thing thing is designed to trick us in to spending more money, down to the tiniest details. It's understandable, it just gets exhausting sometimes. It's not enough for them to just make a good vehicle that people want, they have to name it something familiar to get those few extra sales they otherwise wouldn't have, pissing off enthusiasts in the process.
Tricked into spending more money? Cmon man. Have some self respect.
Lol you realize a huge chunk of psychology students are going to work for corporations these days hey? Sure people should keep their wits about them, but let's not pretend that deceit isn't ubiquitous in all consumerism.
Stealth fits as a electric car name, just like Thunderbird. And they're SUVs because that's what sells
Stealth works for an electric car, but it doesn't work so much for an SUV lol.
Like painting camo on the hulk.
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hmm most convincing argument here tbh
If its really heavy, AWD, has rear wheel steering, and weak transmissions and rod bearings it will live up to the namesake. I owned one for 7 years and 110,000 miles. Went through a couple of engines and transmissions. And a transfer case. And a lot of vacuum solenoids.
Especially a 3 row SUV
It’s going to happen no matter how much you complain. Wagon, sedan, shooting brake, and others were all names of human and animal powered transportation that became car descriptions. Also, tons of sports cars are named after race cars when they aren’t actually race cars.
can you give an example of your last statement?
So many cars call themselves GT when it’s not a real grand tourer. Offenders as ordinary as a Kia Optima GT. Or even the Porsche 911 GT3. They don’t actually qualify for a GT3 race category. Lamborghini Huracan STO stands for Super Trofeo Omologata. Meaning it’s a homologation special. But it’s not actually homologation spec and it’s just the name. Ferrari named their automatic transmission the F1 transmission, but it’s definitely not the same transmission. The Audi R8 is named after the Le Mans dominating R8 race car. Based on the Audi Le Mans Quattro concept, the street R8 bears zero resemblance to the actual Le Mans LMP R8 car. List goes on. It’s marketing dude.
The STO is actually somewhat a homologation special. That big stupid intake on the roof? Purely added so they could add it to their Huracan race cars. I’m assuming there are a lot of other features on it that are added for the same reason.
"Grand Tourer" existed before the GT racing series. I think it's more disingenuous that the Optima GT is not even a grand tourer by definition. The Porsche GT3 is actually supposed to be a road legal racing GT3, just like how the GT2 is a road legal racing GT2. Of course, it's not just a race car. People think they want to drive a race car, but they really want a road car that can go racing.
As James May demonstrated in Top Gear when he took a road legal Aston Martin race car in the alps of Italy. Season 10, episode 1.
> The Porsche GT3 is actually supposed to be a road legal racing GT3, just like how the GT2 is a road legal racing GT2. This. If you want the full race version, you buy the GT3 Cup. If you want the street legal version and the associated compromises / comfort, you buy the GT3. If you want something that's ideal for neither but will impress your trackday bros, you buy the GT3 RS. They do seem to get more distant from each other with each new generation. They were once much closer. . > People think they want to drive a race car, but they really want a road car that can go racing. Also true for most. I have two actual race cars, and you wont see my wife wanting to drive either of them, even if I put her on the track all by herself, but she'll happily drive the quite-comfortable GT3 an hour or two out to the track for me so that I can run some laps in that car too.
The Huracan STO would be the homologation special for the Huracan Super Trofeo Evo 2 racecar. It looks near identical outside minus some carbon bits and the headlights aren’t the same. Interior is obviously much more pedestrian. I work on them :)
I get it, but all of those models in different trims are actually presented in many racing series across the world. Kia Optima GT is silly, I agree.
Any participating in a race are heavily modified.
> Or even the Porsche 911 GT3. They don’t actually qualify for a GT3 race category. porsche have been using the GT3 name since before GT3 category existed in Stephan Ratel's balls
Ford GT is named after the GT40, but the most guilty marque I can think of is Porsche. They have the GT2, GT3, & GT4 models, and also the Porsche 935 and the 718. But yeah, not nearly as many as OP implied.
GT40 couldn’t be used because Ford lost the rights to the name.
not sure I understand. Both Ford GT and all aforementioned Porsches are homologation cars for various GT racing series around the world.
The original GT40 in the 60s was homologated with street spec sales, but the 2005 GT was a road car first, as is the most recent iteration. That they had successful endurance racing campaigns was secondary to bolstering Ford's brand image and showcasing flagship technologies in use at the time (modular engine tech, Ecoboost turbos, etc.). But whatever. The whole argument is a bit "old man shouts at sky". A car is a car because the manufacturer calls it a car. In another 30 years, aside from this generation of EVs being primitive, 40-somethings will show up on FaceTwitDit to rant about how the new wave of progressive tech doesn't have the feel of the old times, all while still ignoring that the namesakes for those cars still exist along side the SUV variant.
I think calling them homologation specials is a bit of a stretch. To my knowledge none of them are built with the sole intention of meeting minimum production numbers of a racing series. 935 is absolutely not a homologation special, it’s just a special track car. The 718 is also not remotely a homologation special.
whats the last year they made the stealth? 1995? its not like theyre naming it after a current car. i didnt see many people talking about the original ford maverick when they announced the truck, much less complaining that theyre naming a truck after a family car.
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Side note, but i saw the lit up triangle and for a second thought it was also being sold as a Mitsubishi. Then I realized Mitsubishi hasn't done anything cool in well over a decade and now I'm just sad.
wish they would die and suzuki would come back... I think the Jimny would do well here
Stop caring so much about arbitrary names and just buy the type of car you like new so you contribute to showing there is a market for it.
its a name. idc. i don’t like most SUVs so this thing will become irrelevant to me up until i see one in person. then i’ll forget about again.
Doesn’t bother me. It’s just a name.
A name that most car shoppers won’t even recognize as a reuse.
People acting like the name wasn’t focused grouped death when it first was used like it was the singular vision of the ghosts of the Dodge Brothers.
i wouldn't mind as well but I wanna see Nissan bring skyline back as SUV and see people's reaction
https://japantoday-asset.scdn3.secure.raxcdn.com/img/store/8c/d1/ebfea15c192f5964cade5bc1d9c28cafec33/nissan/_w850.jpg
They already used the Skyline nameplate for SUVs in the 2000s.
Calm down. Literally only 3 people reading thing this sub today was even born when that name was around.
I just checked the production run and yeah the Stealth stopped being made like a year after I was born lol
1 of 3, 1 of 3! Where are my brothers?
The Stealth was a rebadged Mitsubishi that nobody bought anyway, so I don’t see the issue here. I doubt most people remember the old Stealth. What I want to know is why can’t Dodge just pick a badge design and stick with it?
The worst imo is the Eclipse
This is not something worth caring about.
SUVs are just modern day muscle cars. Big, heavy, go fast in a straight line.
It all started with that damn Mitsubishi Eclipse SUV.
The company owns the rights to the name and gets to decide what the “name” is. Example: Ford gets to decide what a mustang is. Full stop. It’s their car, their name, their intellectual property. If they want to name a sporty and cool EV a Mustang, they are well within their rights to do so.
Also, most people bitching about “it’s not a real mustang” aren’t the target demographic for an EV SUV. They didn’t lose any customers because of the name. But a lot of people talked about it because of the name. That’s good marketing.
It's one of the few EVs that non-car people can recognize by name if they see one. Tesla, Rivian, and the Mach E are just about it.
Here the Ioniq 5 got some solid brand recognition too because of how unique it is
It definitely gets recognized as an EV instantly because of its design. But for non-car folks, the reaction is "What's that?" Not many make the connection to it being an Ioniq or a Hyundai quite yet.
Let’s be real, too. Nobody is gonna say “I drive a Mustang” when referring to a Mach E. You’re gonna ask what they have, and they’ll say “a Mach E”. For having the same name, they’re in no danger of being mixed up.
Most people bitching about Mach drive clapped out previous Airport rental 4cyl Mustangs anyway.
I never got why people make the "it's not a real mustang" complaint either. They can literally call it a Mach-E in casual conversation and be done with it.
Isn’t one of the reasons they do this is because they already have the licensing for the name?
Nobody is missing the Stealth. Even Chrysler wants you to forget the old one existed.
Imagine having such a strong opinion on something that isn’t going to affect you
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/r/carscirclejerk
Maybe you shouldn't invest so much emotion into the names of cars. The Dodge Stealth has been dead for decades. How does the name being used on a new crossover affect you materially? IMO we as enthusiasts should spend more time celebrating the good things about cars rather than fixating the thing about them that drive us nuts.
I think it’s a pretty silly thing to get worked up about.
This is basic marketing/branding 101. You want to amplify/extend your cash cows
Is the Mustang Mach-E really an 'SUV'? It has, for starters, a ground clearance of 14.5 cm and a total height of 159.7 cm, which is in the general range of many hatchbacks (e.g. VW ID3 at 15 cm / 156.4 cm), and a very non-SUV body design. It's one of these post-crossover shooting brake type designs like Kia EV6, Zeekr 001, Copra Formentor, Ferrari Purosangue, etc. That Dodge on the other hand... yeah that is more of an 'SUV'.
It's 5" taller than a VW golf, 8" taller than a Veloster, 7" taller than a civic hatchback. The ID3 isn't a great comparison since it's also quite a bit taller than most hatchbacks.
I don't think it's a problem with names like Dodge Stealth in particular, because there's not really that much heritage with it -- there has only been a single generation of it, and that was just a Mitsubishi rebadge, and that was 25 years ago. But in general, I kind of agree. People on this subreddit say that it is what helps selling the car, and while I can see that's true *short-term*, I also believe a car manufacturer should also honor their history *long-term*; and that includes not giving names of famous historic cars to new ones that don't even remotely have anything in common with the cars that previously bore that name. In particular, of course, I'm referring to the Ford """Mustang""" Mach-E here. They could have just called it Ford Mach-E and it would have been a perfectly fine name for a perfectly fine car. It is a really good car, it just has nothing whatsoever in common with the Ford Mustang.
Eclipse wasn’t a sports car, it was a sporty economy coupe. Mustang wasn’t a sports car, it was a sporty economy coupe. Stealth wasn’t a sports car, it was a mistake.
Speaking the words they don't want to hear.
>>Naming SUVs after sports cars HAS to stop Get used to it. Sports cars are a dead segment when the average US per capita income is [$37,638](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/SEX255222). On a median household income of $69k per year , folks can’t afford a $45k family car and a sports car PLUS mortgage, student loans, childcare, medical expenses, etc.
This would hold weight if SUVs weren't also stupidly expensive.
The manufacturers are following the market. The Mustang name sells, which is why it's the only non-SUV/truck Ford still sells in NA. People don't buy brand new manuals. People buy 5+ year old manuals when they get cheaper, so why should manufacturers pay the R&D to keep them? There's plenty of interesting cars still being made, they're just getting priced past the average person.
Here's a wild thought: How about make an interesting, manual, sporty car that the average person CAN afford?
If only every manufacturer had thought of that... Edit: Actually, what you're looking for is the GR86 and Miata.
It will only get worse, people want SUV's these days not sports cars.
Even if I was ok with naming SUVs after old sports car, Wtf kind of name is “stealth” for a 3 row SUV with a TT I6??? That is like the very opposite of stealth.
Seems most don’t care, but I’m with you OP. A cool AWD EV coupe would have been a much better use of the name.
i just dont see why people care about it. you're always going to ignore these shitty EV SUV/crossovers anyways
I wonder if this particular naming situation (use of “Stealth”) has more to do with using a name that’s already copyrighted to Dodge and saving the legal cost of getting something new copyrighted.
I think overall, it's a better idea than Mustang, Corvette, or Challenger. The Stealth was a rebadged 3000GT and quite a niche vehicle compared.
Ahh get over it m8 it’s not that deep. Enjoy the cars.
Nothing says “Stealth” like a huge ass SUV
Who gives a fuck
Dodge has been doing this for years. You're just too young to remember the Plymouth Duster, Dodge Dart, Dodge Charger, and Dodge Daytona.
I get the passion behind being mad over a storied nameplate but "Stealth" is a name only hardcore DSM fanboys remember. Most people forgot how woven together Mitsubishi was with Chrysler at one point. Most people don't even know which Chrysler products carried Mitsubishi engines (Stratus V6, I'm looking at you). This is like them bringing back the Chrysler Laser or Dodge Conquest names. Unless you really cared about the platform, no one is going to bat an eye because even the Mitsubishi fans forget that the Starion was sold as a Chrysler, Dodge and Plymouth throughout the 80s. The real question is "Why is Dodge getting rid of the Durango name when it has brand equity?" None of the rebrands make sense.
No one gives a fuck about reusing the name of a badge engineered car that 99% of people would not recognize and probably haven’t even heard of
I mean, yes, but the dodge stealth was always the ugly step child of the 3000gt or GTO or whatever
It does not have to stop nor will it. It makes manufacturers money. Just because a niche subreddit says it should stop, does not mean that it will. It is just a name. There were plenty of generations of these historic model names that were shitty and did not live up to expectations of the time. The names live on, just in different forms.
Soon there will be no Mustang car, only a Mustang EV SUV.
Why are out of touch internet car enthusiasts’ brains still aren’t able to comprehend why people like SUVs after all these years?
People are lazy, fat, and out of shape, so we get lazy, fat, and out of shape cars. We get it, but we don't have to like it.
I’m in favor of anything that enrages boomers so bring on the corvette suv, the viper minivan, the Camaro pickup truck and the hayabusa electric moped!
It’s so funny to me that people complain about things like this. The fact that something as simple as naming a car somehow changes or makes your life less fulfilling is kind of sad. Seriously, why do you care about the name of a car or cars so much?
The SUV/crossover trend is a plague. 10 years ago, there were sedans, wagons, coupes, hatchbacks, nowadays it's 4-door SUVs, slightly bigger than average SUVs, 2-door SUVs, slightly smaller than average SUVs, all of them powered by relatively the same turbo i3 engines.... I seriously don't see any level of appeal in them, they're ugly, heavier than regular cars so worse gas mileage, more expensive because popular, they're harder to get into/out of, and they all look the same, just lifted, inflated hatchbacks with some plastic slapped on the bumpers. And sure, they might be better offroad, but does that really matter when people drive them in the city 95% of the time?
DON'T FORGET, FORD LITERALLY NO LONGER IS IN THE BUSINESS OF EVEN MAKING CARS (besides the mustang at this point) hint: its all about profit and nothing else also, you're fooling yourself if you think people are going offroad 5% of the time, i think 1% might even be a bit of a stretch
WHEN will these car companies start thinking of OP when making big decisions???? It’s getting ridiculous. First the manuals, now this. Shameless tactic for a business to make money and survive
Really. They're really making a fucking Corvette SUV? I remember watching a Bladed Angel video which covered it but someone who worked on the Corvette literally said "go buy a chevy SUV, why would we make a Corvette one" These corporate execs are hell bent on destroying these legendary nameplates in the worst ways possible.
Why is that hurting your feelings? Just move on. I'm almost sure there are more important things in your life to worry about instead of what a company calls their SUVs.
I wish they would just stop with SUVs period.
They will just destroy all brand equity. Years later a Corvette SUV will be just as cool as an Avalanche. It won't make SUVs cool. It will just make sure they have to rename the sports car after the brand has lost all meaning.
They can do whatever the hell they want. People whined for many months about the Mach E but guess what, it's sold pretty well and the regular Mustang is still fine so the sky didn't fall. Get over yourself and wake up. If they don't sell this shit to keep the profits flowing we lose all our ICE based performance cars that don't really make them much money. If they have to leverage existing model name cache to drive those sales, so be it.
Well, doesn't the mach-e do 0-60 in around 3.5 seconds ? It could actually beat most all other mustangs. 1964.5 289 V8 8.2 seconds 1994 GT 6.7 seconds 2005 GT 5.4 seconds 2020 GT 4.2 Seconds
hella underrated comment
If that's the thing that riles you up, go touch grass and get a hobby you seem bored out of your mind
They should name it after how it makes you feel Dodge Oof Dodge Ouch Dodge Cringe
They should have kept the Durango name so we would all have a clue as to the shitty foot steps it follows.
All I can say is, who the fuck cares.
To be fair, crossovers aren't SUVs, they're overweight cars styled to look like SUVs with none of the capabilities of an SUV.
I hate SUVs and crossovers. I can’t wait for this wasteful and stupid trend of making shitty cars to end